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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 1:49pm On Mar 14
brocab:
If you feel you can enter into the Kingdom of God through a back door-without Christ-you are on your own-David and Moses were men that lived by faith waiting for their promise-they were favoured by God, men that seen great signs and wonders-and still they were Jew's obeying the laws of the old covenant, until Jesus came to change the Old into a New covenant.
Under the Old covenant, Nicodemus came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. Nicodemus said; no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.”
Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.” This is the New Covenant-we must become born again before we can enter into the Kingdom of God!
Nicodemus was a Pharisee and had lots of religion. But he had no spiritual life. And he saw the supernatural work of God in Jesus, but he didn’t experience the supernatural work of God in himself.
What Nicodemus needed, Jesus said, was new spiritual life imparted supernaturally through the Holy Spirit. What makes the new life spiritual and what makes it supernatural is that it is the work of God the Spirit. It is something above the natural life of our physical hearts and brains.
Jesus says, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” The flesh does have a kind of life.
Every human being is living flesh. But not every human being is living spirit. To be a living spirit, or to have spiritual life, Jesus says, we must be “born of the Spirit.” Flesh gives rise to one kind of life. The Spirit gives rise to another kind of life. If we don’t have this second kind, we will not see the kingdom of God.

This time around gently, Comprehend the highlighted part. Emphasis on " No ONE " and " UNLESS "

Now the question again: If No one will enter the kingdom of God UNLESS they are born again , Is Moses and David Born again ? Will they enter the Kingdom of God ?

Take note: No one . ( that nullify your old and new convenant explanation )

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 1:55pm On Mar 14
Barristter07:


The problem is many of you do not understand what you quote or say yourself.

Where is David and Moses presently?

Vital question: Are they born again ?


Answer the two


Since you know where they are you can tell us. You can
also tell us if they are born again since you know the answer.


Your own is to be asking question that answers are not even stated in the Bible so you can defend your speculation as being correct.


You can tell us where David and moses are presently. I know bible was silent on where Moses and David are presently

You can also tell us whether they where born again or not. I also know that Bible did not state such.

The next thing to do is bring out your governing body speculation that they are not even sure of.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 1:59pm On Mar 14
Barristter07:


This time around gently, Comprehend the highlighted part. Emphasis on " No ONE " and " UNLESS "

Now the question again: If No one will enter the kingdom of God UNLESS they are born again , Is Moses and David Born again ? Will they enter the Kingdom of God ?

Take note: No one . ( that nullify your old and new convenant explanation )

Bible said no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born again.

Your magazine now told you to ask people if Moses and David will enter the kingdom of God or if they are born again.


What's the bible's position on David and moses being born again or entering kingdom of God?

Answer is Bible didn't say anything about these.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Maximus69: 2:17pm On Mar 14
brocab:
When we explain the bible-test it, don't get angry about it, we are here to preach the gospel, nothing more!
We love Jesus Christ just as much as you love Jehovah-we will defend our beliefs, and we will stand strong together as Christians-we are born again believers-and we stand for Christ, and in Him only 'do we serve..
Good to hear that Sir!
It's OK that everyone carries the Bible and explained it as 'the spirit' grants them the interpretations,so each person is FREE to make a public presentation of what 'the spirit' reveals to him without trying to deprive others from considering interpretations from other sources! And publicly accusing,cursing or insulting believers from some other sources should be outlawed because it could lead to serious conflicts just as we're hearing many cases in the northern part of Nigeria.
Jesus is from Nazareth{Israel},he lived 2,000 years ago,all that anyone can say about him is within what's recorded in the Bible. I think since everyone can read it,simple presentations is enough to help interested persons to know who Jesus is without insulting,cursing or accusing others!

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by TATIME: 2:32pm On Mar 14
brocab:

And when we defend Jesus-who comes up against us besides the JW's-No one because it's always the JW's who come up against us..
NO ONE comes up against who
Hope you're not creating a comedy scene here? cheesy cheesy cheesy
Is it the Catholics, Deeperlife, RCCG, MFM, Chosen, Synagogue, Dunamis, Fresh oil, Christ Embassy, CCC, C & S, Anglican, Methodist, Apostolic Faith, Four Square, CAC and so on that have suddenly agreed with your none denominational stuff? undecided undecided undecided
Well i believe you're just playing Clint da drunk for the moments so we're enjoying the show! cheesy cheesy cheesy

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Maximus69: 2:50pm On Mar 14
TATIME:
NO ONE comes up against who
Hope you're not creating a comedy scene here? cheesy cheesy cheesy
Is it the Catholics, Deeperlife, RCCG, MFM, Chosen, Synagogue, Dunamis, Fresh oil, Christ Embassy, CCC, C & S, Anglican, Methodist, Apostolic Faith, Four Square, CAC and so on that have suddenly agreed with your none denominational stuff? undecided undecided undecided
Well i believe you're just playing Clint da drunk for the moments so we're enjoying the show! cheesy cheesy cheesy
Perhaps what he meant to say is all those different religious organization remain silent whenever they publicly declare them false unlike the JWs whose beliefs are well known by majority due to their persistence! Because i can't grasp what the term NONE DENOMINATION meant if all those religious groups has individuals strictly attending specific churches as members
If the none denomination arrangement is for REAL how come some aren't members of CAN? Because a fellow agent made me know that there are religious groups who deliberately refused to join the Christian Association of Nigeria(CAN). I was shocked when he said it's not only JWs as i guessed but churches like DEEPERLIFE too! undecided

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by TATIME: 3:00pm On Mar 14
Maximus69:

Perhaps what he meant to say is all those different religious organization remain silent whenever they publicly declare them false unlike the JWs whose beliefs are well known by majority due to their persistence! Because i can't grasp what the term NONE DENOMINATION meant if all those religious groups has individuals strictly attending specific churches as members
If the none denomination arrangement is for REAL how come some aren't members of CAN? Because a fellow agent made me know that there are religious groups who deliberately refused to join the Christian Association of Nigeria(CAN). I was shocked when he said it's not only JWs as i guessed but churches like DEEPERLIFE too! undecided
No! I guess he is playing a stand up Nigeria show on Funmi Davies comedy's stage! cheesy cheesy cheesy
None denominational yet thousands of different churches having contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings! wink wink wink
Only JWs are the offenders here since they refused to bow to their complicating TRINITY confusion! grin grin grin
As long as the religion bow down to TRINITY,it is a born again church though their doctrine may differ from one another that's no problem,just bow whenever you hear TRINITY! embarassed embarassed embarassed

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Maximus69: 3:12pm On Mar 14
TATIME:
No! I guess he is playing a stand up Nigeria show on Funmi Davies comedy's stage! cheesy cheesy cheesy
None denominational yet thousands of different churches having contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings! wink wink wink
Only JWs are the offenders here since they refused to bow to their complicating TRINITY confusion! grin grin grin
As long as the religion bow down to TRINITY,it is a born again church though their doctrine may differ from one another that's no problem,just bow whenever you hear TRINITY! embarassed embarassed embarassed
If not because i've gotten enough evidence on NL, do you know i would have tried what you just posted now?
Hmmm 'whenever you hear TRINITY,just take a bow!'
That's exactly what's happening,because despite having different line of thought they all bow down to the TRINITY! No wonder Achorladey can't distinguish between the Churches, he only castigate JWs unlike Olaadegbu who keeps posting different threads condemning other TRINITY churches like Catholics!
Hmmm definitely Deeperlife has something strange but due to forming alliance against JWs they won't come out openly against others for now! embarassed
They're NOT member of CAN,is that not strange? undecided

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by TATIME: 8:54pm On Mar 14
Maximus69:
If not because i've gotten enough evidence on NL, do you know i would have tried what you just posted now?
Hmmm 'whenever you hear TRINITY,just take a bow!'
That's exactly what's happening,because despite having different line of thought they all bow down to the TRINITY! No wonder Achorladey can't distinguish between the Churches, he only castigate JWs unlike Olaadegbu who keeps posting different threads condemning other TRINITY churches like Catholics!
Hmmm definitely Deeperlife has something strange but due to forming alliance against JWs they won't come out openly against others for now! embarassed
They're NOT member of CAN,is that not strange? undecided
The Truth is Kumuyi was a disfellowshiped JW!
He wanted to make his church holier than JWs,that's why he added all the traditions of the churches like holy women just like Catholic nuns
*no make ups
*no jewelries
*no hairdos
*always cover their heads
He also added some JW teachings but many don't notice it,for instance Deeperlife members can't explain why the church don't celebrate Xmas,Birthdays like other churches.
The funniest part,around 1970s a Watchtower was released with the picture of a television as something that's to be careful about, and since Kumuyi is no more in the organization he couldn't understand what the GB meant so Mr Kumuyi told his church people to get rid of all their TVs! cheesy cheesy cheesy
Please ask a member to provide the late 80s/early 90s of their publications,all the drawings were photocopies from a Watchtower publication entitled 'You can live forever in Paradise on earth' grin grin grin
So Kumuyi was trailing every move of the JWs,even since the then pioneers and traveling overseers aren't married,Kumuyi didn't marry until he heard that those brothers later got married that's when he got married and 90% of his disciples got married afterwards. So his principal religion for condemnation is JWs, since he knows that the only organization that's ahead of all his {holier than thou} arrangement is JWs! undecided undecided undecided
But trust Jehovah now,if it's not the original it can never be as firm,strong and reliable as the original! wink wink wink

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Maximus69: 9:47pm On Mar 14
TATIME:
The Truth is Kumuyi was a disfellowshiped JW!
He wanted to make his church holier than JWs,that's why he added all the traditions of the churches like holy women just like Catholic nuns
*no make ups
*no jewelries
*no hairdos
*always cover their heads
He also added some JW teachings but many don't notice it,for instance Deeperlife members can't explain why the church don't celebrate Xmas,Birthdays like other churches.
The funniest part,around 1970s a Watchtower was released with the picture of a television as something that's to be careful about, and since Kumuyi is no more in the organization he couldn't understand what the GB meant so Mr Kumuyi told his church people to get rid of all their TVs! cheesy cheesy cheesy
Please ask a member to provide the late 80s/early 90s of their publications,all the drawings were photocopies from a Watchtower publication entitled 'You can live forever in Paradise on earth' grin grin grin
So Kumuyi was trailing every move of the JWs,even since the then pioneers and traveling overseers aren't married,Kumuyi didn't marry until he heard that those brothers later got married that's when he got married and 90% of his disciples got married afterwards. So his principal religion for condemnation is JWs, since he knows that the only organization that's ahead of all his {holier than thou} arrangement is JWs! undecided undecided undecided
But trust Jehovah now,if it's not the original it can never be as firm,strong and reliable as the original! wink wink wink
T ~ A ~ T ~ I ~ M ~ E! Please Sir stop bombarding me with too much evidences! sad
You ought to be a barrister at law.! undecided
Though i can't say it's true or false for now but i think i'm getting a clue on why the Deeperlife has been on top of all TRINITARIANS.
Hmmm no matter how you twisted the teachings of the JWs,it will still stand out as different from all that of the churches! embarassed
So Pastor Kumuyi had a JW background! undecided
No wonder everything is according to the Watchtower pattern,the only difference is the TRINITY! Otherwise most people would have discovered this for long,but if he never added the reigning trend like the incomprehensible TRINITY doctrine that's catching the people,crowds won't flock in to join his church. undecided
But what will be his gain after all these? I heard he said something like removing all the things he added to his doctrines before he dies,now i'm getting the clearer picture,! Perhaps he's scared after deceiving those people all this while,and now he is old! embarassed
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by achorladey: 10:13pm On Mar 14
Maximus69:
Good morning Mr Achorladey,how are you Sir?
Please Sincerity and Honesty has really helped faithful servants of God throughout in the history of God's people. I said it before that this your so called 'NONE DENOMINATION' gesture has flaws considering your posts Sir.
Firstly you forgot that the so called 'mind~reading' gadget wasn't invented by JWs, it's what the CIA has been using for long but the scientists from Asia{where majority are atheists} only developed it further. Now with the new technology they can examine the level of goodwill or hatred you secretly harbor towards people of other faith. So JWs never approved it as something that's divine since it's the handiwork of ATHEISTS!
Secondly Jesus taught his followers to love their neighbour as themselves,of course this teacher lives by his own teachings,he made it clear that it's ONLY those who are related to him by faith that are his REAL families no matter where such a person comes from. Matthew 12:47-50 Surely Jesus sees all other persons as neighbours and that includes those related to him by blood but failed to relate with him in faith.
Jehovah's Witnesses are following that same pattern today,if you're not a JW you can be their colleague, worker, boss, co~tenant, doctor, teacher, worker e.t.c what you need to iron out is the differences in beliefs since that is where friction is possible, and when that is done you'll enjoy the company of JWs always.
Why most people do have problems with JWs is pestering them to do something that's against their faith,instead why not allow for a friendly discussion to ascertain what your JW neighbour won't tolerate?. That's why i said from the onset 'their strategy is the best when talking about beliefs', if you want to see the best of neighbours,just stay clear from pestering a JW to go against the teachings of their GB,block all avenues for further religious discussions after knowing their dos and donts and you'll be best of friends! smiley I don't think Jesus meant anything more than that when he said 'love your neighbour as yourself' smiley


Maximus69: Good morning Mr Achorladey,how are you Sir?

Achorladey: Hope your day has been kind

Maximus69: Please Sincerity and Honesty has really helped faithful servants of God throughout in the history of God's people.

Achorladey: Good point.

Maximus69: I said it before that this your so called 'NONE DENOMINATION' gesture has flaws considering your posts Sir.

Achorladey: I hope I get to see the flaws as I follow your response to my post.

Maximus69: Firstly you forgot that the so called 'mind~reading' gadget wasn't invented by JWs, it's what the CIA has been using for long

Achorladey: you have added more details to post I responded to earlier. You wrote the experience of an individual on that post named "YO", was it a live experience or an experience relayed to you or what?

That aside, in the post you are responding to, was it stated that the JWs are the inventors of the machine?


Maximus69: but the scientists from Asia{where majority are atheists} only developed it further.

Achorladey: More update on your previous post, So your are aware that it's majority of the scientist that are atheists that developed it, so how did this in any way in my previous post states it was the invention of the Jws.

Maximus69: Now with the new technology they can examine the level of goodwill or hatred you secretly harbor towards people of other faith.

Achorladey: So you would have me develop FAITH in MAN MADE CRAFTINESS to know the GOODWILL or HATRED that people all over the World have about other people's faith when Hebrews 4:12 written close to 2000 years states something your Machine cannot do.

Maximus69:So JWs never approved it as something that's divine since it's the handiwork of ATHEISTS!

Achorladey: You are the one marketing the MACHINE for me as it were, I never said the machine is HANDIWORK of JWs.

Maximus69: Secondly Jesus taught his followers to love their neighbour as themselves, of course this teacher lives by his own teachings,

Achorladey: A good case of practice what you preach. Jesus Christ is indeed a PERFECT example to follow concerning that. 1 Peter 2:21

Maximus69: he made it clear that it's ONLY those who are related to him by faith that are his REAL FAMILIES no matter where such a person comes from.

Achorladey: What is the FAITH of JESUS CHRIST?

Maximus69: Matthew 12:47-50

Achorladey: 46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him.
47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Jesus made a case for us all to be CALLED his BROTHERS and SISTERS and MOTHER as long as we do the WILL of the FATHER.

What is the WILL of the FATHER.......John 6:40.....

For this is the WILL of MY FATHER, that EVERYONE who RECOGNIZES the SON and EXERCISES FAITH in HIM should have EVERLASTING LIFE, and I will RESURRECT him on the LAST DAY.” Oga Maximus69 you agree?


Are you among Jesus' brothers in line with what your Bible study conductor must have thought you which is in line with what the GOVERNING BODY teach?



Maximus69: Surely Jesus sees all other PERSONS as NEIGHBOURS and that INCLUDES those related to him by BLOOD but failed to relate with him in faith.

Achorladey: Where did Jesus state that Mary and all of Jesus brothers as recorded in the Matthew you cited are just NEIGHBOURS?


Maximus69: Jehovah's Witnesses are following that same pattern today, if you're not a JW you can be their colleague, worker, boss, co~tenant, doctor, teacher, worker e.t.c what you need to iron out is the differences in beliefs since that is where friction is possible, and when that is done you'll enjoy the company of JWs always.

Achorladey: Other Christian denominations or non denominated Christians don't follow suit or follow the same pattern abi?

Maximus69: Why most people do have problems with JWs is PESTERING them to do something that's against their faith,instead why not allow for a friendly discussion to ascertain what your JW neighbour won't tolerate?

Achorladey: Since your days on nairaland platforms you have not seen those who admits that JWS are also CULPRIT in PESTERING people from HOUSE to HOUSE even when the HOUSEHOLDER made it clear enough that they are not interested or not WILLING to accept Jws MESSAGE and are equally not INTERESTED. hmmmmmmmm. Why do JWS go back to those houses again?


Maximus69: That's why i said from the onset 'their strategy is the best when talking about beliefs',

Achorladey: what strategy? the machine test strategy? Hmmmmmm.

Maximus69: if you want to see the best of neighbours,just stay clear from pestering a JW to go against the teachings of their GB,block all avenues for further religious discussions after knowing their dos and donts and you'll be best of friends!

Achorladey: and this your conditional statement is the ONE SHOE size fit all. There are numerous people out there that care less about what Jws believe yet the people living around such Jws still complain concerning having them as neighbours.

Maximus69:.I don't think Jesus meant anything more than that when he said 'love your neighbour as yourself'

Achorladey: Go and read the good Samaritan aspect on how Jesus used that short story to teach who really is MY NEIGHBOR. Bring up your findings here.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by achorladey: 10:48pm On Mar 14
Maximus69:
@achorladey
This is social media so we can't relate as neighbours since we don't know nor see one another,had it been we live close to one another then we must relate somehow and i believe that must be as neighbours. We can always avoid anything that has to do with worship since our thoughts differs regarding sacred services.
Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar wanted to force everyone under him to worship his God{Satanic influence} while the beliefs of Jews is against bowing to images. Surely Shadrak,Meshak and Abednego would have worshiped along with the others if there is nothing wrong in the setting. Nebuchadnezzar undoubtedly enjoyed the company of these three Hebrews but something is driving his thoughts against them now that it has to do with worship. Please try to visualise yourself in the scene,
(1)if you are one of the three Hebrews.
(2)if you are Nebuchadnezzar.
i'm sure you'll get a clearer picture! smiley

Maximus69: @achorladey

Achorladey: Yes!

Maximus69: This is social media so we can't relate as neighbours since we don't know nor see one another, had it been we live close to one another then we must relate somehow and i believe that must be as neighbours.

Achorladey: I want to agree with you to SOME EXTENT and you should also be AWARE that the CHARACTER we have shown REPEATEDLY HERE over time CARRIES to SOME extent the KIND and some REFLECTION of who we REALLY ARE.

Maximus69: We can always avoid anything that has to do with worship since our thoughts differs regarding sacred services.

Achorladey: If I task you on what those sacred service are, can you troubleshoot it using the pages of the BIBLE.

I don't think I have forced someone to come and worship the way I worship and I don't think I have stated anywhere for others on the thread to stop going to the meetings of JWS.


Maximus69: Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar wanted to force everyone under him to worship his God{Satanic influence} while the beliefs of Jews is against bowing to images.

Achorladey: Okay!

Maximus69: Surely Shadrak,Meshak and Abednego would have worshiped along with the others IF THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IN THE SETTING.

Achorladey: But YOU and I know that there are plenty things wrong in the SETTING in that ACCOUNT. Nothing to sort out here. Were we to add NEBUCHADNEZZAR PRIDE and ARROGANCE in that account it will only add to the WRONGNESS.

Maximus69: Nebuchadnezzar UNDOUBTEDLY ENJOYED the COMPANY of these three HEBREWS but something is driving his thoughts against them now that it has to do with worship.

Achorladey: To what length NEBUCHADNEZZAR ENJOYED the COMPANY of the THREE Hebrews I can't tell, I don't want to SPECULATE or ASSUME things not clearly STATED just like you want me to do.

Regarding what was DRIVING NEBUCHADNEZZAR thought to set the the GARGANTUAN IMAGE, it also falls ON YOUR SPECULATION and YOUR ASSUMPTIONS that are not CLEARLY stated in the SCRIPTURES.

Perhaps you might want to read the book of DANIEL CHAPTER 3 where THIS ACCOUNT was RECORDED. Your findings will be APPRECIATED here.

Maximus69 Please try to VISUALISE yourself in the SCENE,

Achorladey: There is nothing here to VISUALIZE.
Nobody is putting a GARGANTUAN IMAGE before me to BOW down to NEITHER am I SETTING up one for PEOPLE to bow to.

Maximus69: (1)if you are one of the three Hebrews.
(2)if you are Nebuchadnezzar.

Achorladey: Nothing of note here too

Maximus69: i'm sure you'll get a clearer picture!

Achorladey: Before you get to this part of your post you will had a better picture than the one you want to paint or draw.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Maximus69: 6:23am On Mar 15
achorladey:


Maximus69: @achorladey

Achorladey: Yes!

Maximus69: This is social media so we can't relate as neighbours since we don't know nor see one another, had it been we live close to one another then we must relate somehow and i believe that must be as neighbours.

Achorladey: I want to agree with you to SOME EXTENT and you should also be AWARE that the CHARACTER we have shown REPEATEDLY HERE over time CARRIES to SOME extent the KIND and some REFLECTION of who we REALLY ARE.

Maximus69: We can always avoid anything that has to do with worship since our thoughts differs regarding sacred services.

Achorladey: If I task you on what those sacred service are, can you troubleshoot it using the pages of the BIBLE.

I don't think I have forced someone to come and worship the way I worship and I don't think I have stated anywhere for others on the thread to stop going to the meetings of JWS.


Maximus69: Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar wanted to force everyone under him to worship his God{Satanic influence} while the beliefs of Jews is against bowing to images.

Achorladey: Okay!

Maximus69: Surely Shadrak,Meshak and Abednego would have worshiped along with the others IF THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IN THE SETTING.

Achorladey: But YOU and I know that there are plenty things wrong in the SETTING in that ACCOUNT. Nothing to sort out here. Were we to add NEBUCHADNEZZAR PRIDE and ARROGANCE in that account it will only add to the WRONGNESS.

Maximus69: Nebuchadnezzar UNDOUBTEDLY ENJOYED the COMPANY of these three HEBREWS but something is driving his thoughts against them now that it has to do with worship.

Achorladey: To what length NEBUCHADNEZZAR ENJOYED the COMPANY of the THREE Hebrews I can't tell, I don't want to SPECULATE or ASSUME things not clearly STATED just like you want me to do.

Regarding what was DRIVING NEBUCHADNEZZAR thought to set the the GARGANTUAN IMAGE, it also falls ON YOUR SPECULATION and YOUR ASSUMPTIONS that are not CLEARLY stated in the SCRIPTURES.

Perhaps you might want to read the book of DANIEL CHAPTER 3 where THIS ACCOUNT was RECORDED. Your findings will be APPRECIATED here.

Maximus69 Please try to VISUALISE yourself in the SCENE,

Achorladey: There is nothing here to VISUALIZE.
Nobody is putting a GARGANTUAN IMAGE before me to BOW down to NEITHER am I SETTING up one for PEOPLE to bow to.

Maximus69: (1)if you are one of the three Hebrews.
(2)if you are Nebuchadnezzar.

Achorladey: Nothing of note here too

Maximus69: i'm sure you'll get a clearer picture!

Achorladey: Before you get to this part of your post you will had a better picture than the one you want to paint or draw.



Exactly just what i discerned about you!
Please we're neighbours if we live close to one another and have nothing evil against one another,but we're brothers when we have many things in common!
Jesus clearly said 'who is my mother?' well i worked with the intelligence and i perfectly understood what that means when someone utter such in the presence of his mother publicly! So if you can't understand what he meant by that,then it's better to see you as the person living in the neighbourhood NOT my relation in thought{spiritual brother}!
You even said the Bible didn't say specifically that Nebuchadnezzar enjoyed the company of the three Hebrews!
Please what exactly do you understand in the Bible if you can't discern that? Nebuchadnezzar changed the names of these three youths from Hannaniah,Mishael and Azariah to Shadrack,Meshak and Abednego. He ordered that they should be served as royalties and you say you can't notice how he enjoyed their company
Sorry Sir you better remain my neighbour NOT my brother in Christ because i need spiritual brothers with whom i can rub minds spiritually speaking,to gain more INSIGHT on the scriptures.
Good morning!

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by TATIME: 6:53am On Mar 15
Maximus69:
Exactly just i discerned about you!
Please we're neighbours if we live close to one another and have nothing evil against one another,but we're brothers when we have many things in common!
Jesus clearly said 'who is my mother?' well i worked with the intelligence and i perfectly understood what that means when someone utter such in the presence of his mother publicly! So if you can't understand what he meant by that,then it's better to see you as the person living in the neighbourhood NOT my relation in thought{spiritual brother}!
You even said the Bible didn't say specifically that Nebuchadnezzar enjoyed the company of the three Hebrews!
Please what exactly do you understand in the Bible if you can't discern that? Nebuchadnezzar changed the names of these three youths from Hannaniah,Mishael and Azariah to Shadrack,Meshak and Abednego. He ordered that they should be served as royalties and you say you can't notice how he enjoyed their company
Sorry Sir you better remain my neighbour NOT my brother in Christ because i need spiritual brothers with whom i can rub minds spiritually speaking,to gain more INSIGHT on the scriptures.
Good morning!
He thought his Satanic deception will confuse everybody just as the Devil deceived Eve with trick!
Just imagine a Christian who can quote so many scriptures against an organization that's zealously working to make people from all races become one happy global family,but can't discern that there must have been a cordial relationship between a Babylonian king and three Hebrews {who are supposed to be slaves} if the king can personally change their names and eat with them! wink wink wink
Well-done Maximus! You're growing spiritually speaking and you can now EASILY notice the agents of the devil! wink wink wink Bravo my brother!

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Maximus69: 7:24am On Mar 15
TATIME:
He thought his Satanic deception will confuse everybody just as the Devil deceived Eve with trick!
Just imagine a Christian who can quote so many scriptures against an organization that's zealously working to make people from all races become one happy global family,but can't discern that there must have been a cordial relationship between a Babylonian king and three Hebrews {who are supposed to be slaves} if the king can personally change their names and eat with them! wink wink wink
Well-done Maximus! You're growing spiritually speaking and you can now EASILY notice the agents of the devil! wink wink wink Bravo my brother!
Well all thanks to Jehovah the God of wisdom!
I can't just imagine what those atheists in military service could do if these guys falls victims of the military intelligence. I worked together with so many agents from different continents but Yo is a beautiful Chinese agent notable with her charming smiles,she hates hypocrisy with passion! If she personally handle any of these guys,i tell you they will even confess what they never did because everything in their hearts will come out when they're quarantined!
Even a kindergarten student can easily discern that a king can't do all that with slaves brought from far distant lands if he's not enjoying their company,not to talk of an adult who probably is a family man undecided I now fully grasp why those military atheists in Asia treated the quarantined ones as condemned criminals!

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:37am On Mar 15
brocab:


Then the JW's will say to their dog-Grandma' what big teeth you have, and what big ear's you have, and grandma what big mouth you have..


They may even attempt to enter the zoo to play with their lion-pet. shocked

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:54am On Mar 15
Janosky:


Yes ,angels are spirits.
Angels met Manoah (judges 13:9-20) ,in what
state did Manoah see.them?
Angels visited Lot (Gen19:1,2) ,in what state did Lot see them?
Do the maths your self.

***."Jesus....was put to death in the fleshly realm and made alive in the spiritual realm" 1Peter3:18.

Apply the result of your maths , first to the encounter between Jesus and Mary Magdalene ( John 20:11-16).& secondly , to the Apostles meeting Jesus ( John 20:20 ,21,24-27)

Then, ask your self , why did Mary Magdalene not recognize Jesus initially until he called her name?

By now you should have known that Jesus had no nail marks when he appeared to Mary Magdalene.
Why?


Angels are supernatural beings with the power to materialize (change) into fleshly body to be visible to Lot , Manoah , Jakob etc
.
The resurrected Jesus materialized into any fleshly body he wants,that is why Mary Magdalene could not recognize Jesus until he called her name.
To convince Thomas , Jesus changed into fleshly body with nail marks which Thomas would see.& touch in order to be convinced.

I am sure that you will still argue with Jesus when He proved to His disciples that He was flesh and bones.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:00am On Mar 15
Janosky:


Lying Pharisee, Kai !!!!

Is the imperfect slave ,Thomas ,the boss of his perfect Master Jesus?

For once in your life , pls be honest
My questions to you:

*Who spoke the words of John 20:17 & Rev 3:21 in your copy of the Bible?

** Who wrote 1Cor 11:3 and Ephesians 1:3.in your copy of the Bible?

If Thomas contradicted his 'Lord and God' Jesus would have corrected him there and then, and besides it would be like water over the duck if I try explaining the scriptures to you since your mind is already made up. undecided

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:03am On Mar 15
Barristter07:


Emphasis on the bolded parts above. OLAADEGBU I have two questions to ask you.

1. Between the soul/Spirit and ordinary body, which is the real person of any human ?


2. Regarding Jesus - Which died for sins, Soul/spirit or ordinary body ?


After responding to the above, I will refer back to the bolded and see if Yourself, Olaadegbu is not an enemy of the Christ as you defined !

Are you not the same TATIME? Say the truth and lie not. cool
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:18am On Mar 15
Janosky:


Lying Pharisee at work.
** 1..in heaven Jesus calls Jehovah God "my Father".(Rev3:12,21) and on earth he also called Jehovah "my Father and my God" (john 20:17)
Meaning that Jesus is not God but Pharisees have LIED that "Jesus is God" ,that is ,God called himself "my Father and my God"
Pharisees & sense be like lagoon wey divide Lagos island from Lagos mainland.

Muslims equally don't believe that Jesus is Jehovah.

Janosky:


*****2.Mr OLAADEGBU LIED.
JWs consistently showed proof that some verses in the New Testament were forgeries added into the new testament to support Trinity scam. Some few examples are 1john5:7 ,1tim3:16 ,Phil2:6 (KJV) .

The word "Godhead" is NOT in any Bible manuscript but today it is the maggi & royko of Trinity scam. Aside these forgeries, the new testament & old testament is the
holy word of God.

Muslims also believe that the Bible, especially the New Testament has been corrupted. So what's the difference between JW and Muslims?

Janosky:


**3 Jesus lived ,died.& was buried as a Jew.(John 19:38-42).
In the Jewish custom ,criminals were impaled on an upright pole ,a stake (Deu21:22 ,23). Paul & Peter said that was how Jesus died. ,he was impaled (Gal3:13. Acts5:30).
The Latin word "Crux" , which is the root for English words Crucifixion ,crucified ,Cross were forgeries added into the holy scriptures.
Impaled was substituted for crucified, 'stake' was removed & replaced with 'cross'

Muslims don't believe that Jesus died on the cross and they believe that the scriptures have been forged, have you saying anything different?

Janosky:


**4 ,Again. Mr Olaadegbu LIED. Jehovah made Jesus lord & Christ (Acts2:36).

"For God so loved the world that HE gave his only begotten (created) son so that whosoever believes in him would not perish but have everlasting life" John 3:16.

Jehovah sent his created son to save mankind.
To all Pharisees & LIARS ,Jesus NEVER said God sent himself to save mankind.
"We have seen and do bear witness that the Father has sent his son to be the Saviour of the world"
1John4:14
Jehovah God alone is immortal ,HE never died (1tim1:17)


** Jesus Christ is the mediator between God and man.
The last time I checked ,you can never be the arbiter/mediator in your own case.
Trinity is a scam

Muslims don't even believe Jesus (Jehovah) died. Tell me something new. undecided
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Maximus69: 10:21am On Mar 15
OLAADEGBU:


I am sure that you will still argue with Jesus when He proved to His disciples that He was flesh and bones.
Hmmm, From Janosky's post i can discern that Jesus purposely brought a body that would convince (DOUBTFUL) Thomas that he has been resurrected!
If angels appeared to Abraham,Jacob and Lot. If those angels ate PHYSICAL food before them and they can touch those angels, surely any other angel can equally materialise or dematerialize for a purpose!
So Jesus never brought in those wounds to prove before all his disciples that he has been resurrected but to help only one person,and that is Thomas who said 'unless i stick my finger into those nail wounds,i won't believe' John 20:25
You keep asking a childish question regarding NAIL but i've notice you're not sincere just because of the old tradition you want to believe. If Jesus died on a STAKE that means two NAILS will suffice during his execution,and if on a CROSS it will be three NAILS, either way what will still be recorded is NAILS not NAIL!

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 10:31am On Mar 15
OLAADEGBU:


Perhaps it hasn't occured to you that you worship at the throne of the Watchtower. shocked



Didn't your founder claim to understand Greek in interpreting the Bible? undecided



Do you think of the souls sacrificed on the altar of Watchtower?



Why do you run when we invite you to join us in prayer?



What do you call the training you undergo for years to equip you for capturing the souls of men?



Is that don't you perform your civic duties, doesn't that make you unpatriotic? undecided



What happens to the spouses of those who leaves your organisation?



Do you ever gather to meet yourselves worldwide?



JWs bow towards the altar of the Watchtower magazine.



Don't you believe in the writings of your founder, Charles Taze Russell?



JWs quote their Watchtower as their final authority.



As long as both of you carry out warfare against the souls of men, what's the difference?



You both preach another Jesus, don't you?



Now look at the similarities with the groups listed in the thread below:

https://www.nairaland.com/2750826/comparison-grid-roman-catholicism-jehovah#40228476

OLAADEGBU points 1,2 and 3 are false claims.
A Pharisee who testified that he loves the words of imperfect slave, Thomas more than his perfect Master Jesus can never be a true follower of Christ.

*Point 4
JWs will never join you to pray to a 3 faced triune Godhead.
Your church loudspeakers noisy prayers, shouting while praying & repetition of the same words over and over again are against God's principles on prayers
Matt6:1,5-7. Ephesians 3:14-21

*Point 5
Jesus kept teaching & training his disciples even after he left ,through various means (Matt6:9. Luk11:1-3. 10:1-10. Acts 20:20).


*Point 6
JWs are renowned for being law abiding ,peaceful, conscientious citizens where ever they reside..(Rom13:1-10).However we must
obey God rather than men (Acts5:29) whenever the laws of men demand what belongs to Jehovah GOD.


*Point 7
1cor7:10-17 ,read and get the sense of it.


*Point 8
JWs have two Bible study meetings weekly as well as two.Assemblies
and a Regional Convention programs they meet for fellowship

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by TATIME: 10:36am On Mar 15
OLAADEGBU:


Are you not the same TATIME? Say the truth and lie not. cool
Barrister don't lie this time o! cool cool cool
You're the same Tatime,aren't you? undecided undecided undecided
Wonders shall never end! Now that all the secret of your daddy G.O Kumuyi has been exposed,you can't think straight again! Instead of addressing the issues to prove that your founder never used JWs publication ,the next move is to start guessing where the blows is coming from! Abeg continue guessing,you're almost there! grin grin grin
Well Maximus,this is how OLAADEGBU can witness to a Jehovah's Witness. So take note! wink wink wink
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Maximus69: 10:57am On Mar 15
Janosky:


OLAADEGBU points 1,2 and 3 are false claims.
A Pharisee who testified that he loves the words of imperfect slave, Thomas more than his perfect Master Jesus can never be a true follower of Christ.

*Point 4
JWs will never join you to pray to a 3 faced triune Godhead.
Your church loudspeakers noisy prayers, shouting while praying & repetition of the same words over and over again are against God's principles on prayers
Matt6:1,5-7. Ephesians 3:14-21

*Point 5
Jesus kept teaching & training his disciples even after he left ,through various means (Matt6:9. Luk11:1-3. 10:1-10. Acts 20:20).


*Point 6
JWs are renowned for being law abiding ,peaceful, conscientious citizens where ever they reside..(Rom13:1-10).However we must
obey God rather than men (Acts5:29) whenever the laws of men demand what belongs to Jehovah GOD.


*Point 7
1cor7:10-17 ,read and get the sense of it.


*Point 8
JWs have two Bible study meetings weekly as well as two.Assemblies
and a Regional Convention programs they meet for fellowship



Janosky! Well if you feel like responding to that gibberish i won't object,but know one thing today that the Bible was written by Israelites,it contains their biography and dealings with their God and anyone from any part of this earth can trust or ignore their book!
But before TRUSTING the Bible, you first need to know the God in question because our forefathers also have their own Gods respectively!
Therefore TRUST came in as a result of what you've heard and experienced amongst those worshiping that God! Joshua 2:9-13
If he is not honest and sincere in his research about how Jesus actually died,surely his posts has no meaning.
Moreover i can relax and have a deeeeeep sleep in my room peacefully if i heard that JWs are all over the my street because i'm sure they'll only knock on my gates and take their leave if no one responds to their call,but i won't feel relax if it is Muslims because they won't go unnoticed and they're unpredictable. embarassed
So our Deeperlife man has no point! undecided
Let him explain why his Pastor has extensively made use of the publications of the Watchtower, and yet speaking against that same organization. Tatime has made serious allegations against their founder that's obvious to all concerned! undecided

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Maximus69: 11:30am On Mar 15
TATIME:
Barrister don't lie this time o! cool cool cool
You're the same Tatime,aren't you? undecided undecided undecided
Wonders shall never end! Now that all the secret of your daddy G.O Kumuyi has been exposed,you can't think straight again! Instead of addressing the issues to prove that your founder never used JWs publication ,the next move is to start guessing where the blows is coming from! Abeg continue guessing,you're almost there! grin grin grin
Well Maximus,this is how OLAADEGBU can witness to a Jehovah's Witness. So take note! wink wink wink
It's takes only a smarter THIEF to trail another thief on a rocky path!
Remember my profession Sir,that's exactly what he's been doing so he's just naturally revealing some OFFICIAL secrets period!

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 11:37am On Mar 15
..JWs organize fun filled get togethers where they socialize
and have a good time on
regular..basis


Points9&10
Liar
The.holy Bible is JWs final authority on.all. matters
Since you've been on.NL ,, no JW had ever.interacted with you.with out.giving you.proof from your Bible even if.you.disagreed with it.

Jesus was put to death in the fleshly realm and made alive in the spiritual realm(1pet3:18).
He.materialized into fleshly body to appear to Mary Magdalene and his other followers (Jn20:11-20,24-27
)just as angelic spirits.materialized into fleshly body to.speak with
Lot.and.Manoah,Abraham etc
(Gen19:1,2..Judges13:3-21)
It's the same way that the resurrected Jesus appeared to his followers. But you disagreed.
The body of Jesus that Mary Magdalene saw was not the same body that Jesus showed to.Thomas

U don't believe the words of Jesus in.John20:17.because his.words
countered your.Trinity scam.


It.is.Pharisees like Olaadegbu.whose.false doctrines hold
gullible sheepies.captive
JWs.are.imperfect people but
they preach.and.teach.what the Bible says
Yes.indeed


PS:.my.apologies for.any typing error

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by TATIME: 12:23pm On Mar 15
Maximus69:
It's takes only a smarter THIEF to trail another thief on a rocky path!
Remember my profession Sir,that's exactly what he's been doing so he's just naturally revealing some OFFICIAL secrets period!
Hmmmmmmmmmm intelligence really matters!
So that's exactly what he's been doing,who knows if he is that same "johnw47" because i knew many deeperlife members and the way they get angered easily when they're mocked unlike JWs that will jokingly walk away! Whenever they're filled with rage,they can curse a lot! undecided undecided undecided
I was a Muslim before i joined JWs,it's their calmness and respectful approach that melted my former rocky heart against whatever the Bible has to say! Deeperlife can never succeed in that area because their mindset of viewing people burning inside hellfire being tormented forever has killed the natural affection in them! embarassed embarassed embarassed

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Maximus69: 1:37pm On Mar 15
It's appropriate to distinguish between this two words
¤Brothers
¤Neighbours
While the first had many things in common,they often relate with each other,other people notice the connection between them and so can make positive or negative reports about a one individuals to his brother on many occasions.
Neighbours are people living next to you,you only relate with them when necessary,most times you just greet and walk away. Some neighbours might live all their lives without having anything to do with each other than mere greeting!
So the Samaritan showed he love his neighbour by making sure of his well being but afterwards he might walk away and never see each other again. But that's not applicable to brothers,as they must ask after or call on each other from time to time!
For instance there are so many living closeby as neighbours but how many do we call on like brothers?
Jesus said 'love you neighbour as yourself' Mark 12:31 but to brothers{Christians as in those having the same faith} Jesus gave a NEW law saying you MUST love your brother JUST AS I HAVE LOVED YOU. John 13:34,35
Surely Jesus died for his brothers and his law says the same to those claiming brothers in Christ,but regarding neighbours Jesus didn't expect a christian to die for their love! We try our best for them and run if our lives is in danger for trying to save neighbours! Matthew 10:23
To the best of my understanding!

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by achorladey: 2:38pm On Mar 15
Maximus69:
Exactly just i discerned about you!
Please we're neighbours if we live close to one another and have nothing evil against one another,but we're brothers when we have many things in common!
Jesus clearly said 'who is my mother?' well i worked with the intelligence and i perfectly understood what that means when someone utter such in the presence of his mother publicly! So if you can't understand what he meant by that,then it's better to see you as the person living in the neighbourhood NOT my relation in thought{spiritual brother}!
You even said the Bible didn't say specifically that Nebuchadnezzar enjoyed the company of the three Hebrews!
Please what exactly do you understand in the Bible if you can't discern that? Nebuchadnezzar changed the names of these three youths from Hannaniah,Mishael and Azariah to Shadrack,Meshak and Abednego. He ordered that they should be served as royalties and you say you can't notice how he enjoyed their company
Sorry Sir you better remain my neighbour NOT my brother in Christ because i need spiritual brothers with whom i can rub minds spiritually speaking,to gain more INSIGHT on the scriptures.
Good morning!

Maximus69: Exactly just i discerned about you!

Achorladey: What is it you discern about me?

Maximus69: Please we're neighbours if we live close to one another and have nothing evil against one another,but we're brothers when we have many things in common!

Achorladey: This must be your discernment about me. Hmmmm interesting!

There is nothing bad you being my neighbour, but your statement here on "but we're brothers when we have many things in common". Makes me laugh. What are those THINGS that we should have in COMMON? please do ITEMIZE them here.

Maximus69: Jesus clearly said 'who is my mother?'

Achorladey: Is it only who is my mother?

Maximus69: well i worked with the intelligence and i perfectly understood what that means when someone utter such in the presence of his mother publicly!

Achorladey: So it is until I am part or have the opportunity of working with the INTELLIGENCE unit of MILITARY I can understand what numerous people fully understood in times past. Jesus revealed it to babes not the INTELLECTUALS or those who boast in worldly INTELLIGENCE.

Maximus69: So if you can't understand what HE meant by that,then it's better to see you as the person living in the neighbourhood NOT my relation in thought{spiritual brother}!

Achorladey: Until you Itemized those things we are expected to have in COMMON, that aside,

You boldly cited Matthew 12:47-50, I added to the understanding of that scriptures by citing John 6:40 all of this to show who indeed are JESUS' BROTHERS, SISTERS, MOTHERS.

Matthew 12: 47-50. ......While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”
49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.
50 For whoever does the WILL of MY FATHER in heaven is my BROTHER and SISTER and MOTHER.”


John 6:40
For this is the WILL of MY FATHER, that EVERYONE who RECOGNIZES the SON and EXERCISES FAITH in HIM should have EVERLASTING LIFE, and I will RESURRECT him on the LAST DAY.”

Oga Maximus69 you agree? Are you my BROTHER? The BALL is in YOUR COURT. Whatever you chose to do with it is yours to make.



Maximus69: You even said the Bible didn't say specifically that Nebuchadnezzar enjoyed the company of the three Hebrews!

Achorladey: Just cite the scriptures that state SPECIFICALLY that NEBUCHADNEZZAR enjoyed the company of the three HEBREWS.

Maximus69: Please what exactly do you understand in the Bible if you can't discern that?

Achorladey: What is there to discern in Daniel chapter 3 that is so difficult that youv EXPECT me to ADD ASSUMPTIONS and SPECULATIONS. The portion bordering on Matthew 12: 47-50 and John 6:40 I mentioned above nko? Do you agree with Jesus Christ Understanding about who are HIS BROTHERS?

Maximus69: Nebuchadnezzar changed the names of these three youths from Hannaniah,Mishael and Azariah to Shadrack,Meshak and Abednego. He ordered that they should be served as royalties and you say you can't notice how he enjoyed their company

Achorladey: At what point did the 3 HEBREWS have there name changed in the account of Daniel? and what point do they attain royalties that made them ENJOYED the COMPANY of the king? Oga Maximus69 Daniel chapter 1-3 is still in your Bible do well to read it again.



Maximus69: Sorry Sir you better remain my neighbour NOT my brother in Christ because i need spiritual brothers with whom i can rub minds spiritually speaking,to gain more INSIGHT on the scriptures.

Achorladey: The relationship I have with you as Christian is clearly stated in the scriptures cited previously and here, what I chose to REMAIN is for me to decide just as you have clearly stated previously that I am NOT a Christian from your viewpoint. I am not forcing you against your WILL either.

So what we have been discussing all these while on this thread is PHYSICAL. Hahahahahaha, and you were citing scriptures too. E get as e be!

Maximus69: Good morning!

Achorladey: Enjoy the rest of your day.
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Maximus69: 3:09pm On Mar 15
achorladey:


Maximus69: Exactly just i discerned about you!

Achorladey: What is it you discern about me?

Maximus69: Please we're neighbours if we live close to one another and have nothing evil against one another,but we're brothers when we have many things in common!

Achorladey: This must be your discernment about me. Hmmmm interesting!

There is nothing bad you being my neighbour, but your statement here on "but we're brothers when we have many things in common". Makes me laugh. What are those THINGS that we should have in COMMON? please do ITEMIZE them here.

Maximus69: Jesus clearly said 'who is my mother?'

Achorladey: Is it only who is my mother?

Maximus69: well i worked with the intelligence and i perfectly understood what that means when someone utter such in the presence of his mother publicly!

Achorladey: So it is until I am part or have the opportunity of working with the INTELLIGENCE unit of MILITARY I can understand what numerous people fully understood in times past. Jesus revealed it to babes not the INTELLECTUALS or those who boast in worldly INTELLIGENCE.

Maximus69: So if you can't understand what HE meant by that,then it's better to see you as the person living in the neighbourhood NOT my relation in thought{spiritual brother}!

Achorladey: Until you Itemized those things we are expected to have in COMMON, that aside,

You boldly cited Matthew 12:47-50, I added to the understanding of that scriptures by citing John 6:40 all of this to show who indeed are JESUS' BROTHERS, SISTERS, MOTHERS.

Matthew 12: 47-50. ......While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”
49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.
50 For whoever does the WILL of MY FATHER in heaven is my BROTHER and SISTER and MOTHER.”


John 6:40
For this is the WILL of MY FATHER, that EVERYONE who RECOGNIZES the SON and EXERCISES FAITH in HIM should have EVERLASTING LIFE, and I will RESURRECT him on the LAST DAY.”

Oga Maximus69 you agree? Are you my BROTHER? The BALL is in YOUR COURT. Whatever you chose to do with it is yours to make.



Maximus69: You even said the Bible didn't say specifically that Nebuchadnezzar enjoyed the company of the three Hebrews!

Achorladey: Just cite the scriptures that state SPECIFICALLY that NEBUCHADNEZZAR enjoyed the company of the three HEBREWS.

Maximus69: Please what exactly do you understand in the Bible if you can't discern that?

Achorladey: What is there to discern in Daniel chapter 3 that is so difficult that youv EXPECT me to ADD ASSUMPTIONS and SPECULATIONS. The portion bordering on Matthew 12: 47-50 and John 6:40 I mentioned above nko? Do you agree with Jesus Christ Understanding about who are HIS BROTHERS?

Maximus69: Nebuchadnezzar changed the names of these three youths from Hannaniah,Mishael and Azariah to Shadrack,Meshak and Abednego. He ordered that they should be served as royalties and you say you can't notice how he enjoyed their company

Achorladey: At what point did the 3 HEBREWS have there name changed in the account of Daniel? and what point do they attain royalties that made them ENJOYED the COMPANY of the king? Oga Maximus69 Daniel chapter 1-3 is still in your Bible do well to read it again.



Maximus69: Sorry Sir you better remain my neighbour NOT my brother in Christ because i need spiritual brothers with whom i can rub minds spiritually speaking,to gain more INSIGHT on the scriptures.

Achorladey: The relationship I have with you as Christian is clearly stated in the scriptures cited previously and here, what I chose to REMAIN is for me to decide just as you have clearly stated previously that I am NOT a Christian from your viewpoint. I am not forcing you against your WILL either.

So what we have been discussing all these while on this thread is PHYSICAL. Hahahahahaha, and you were citing scriptures too. E get as e be!

Maximus69: Good morning!

Achorladey: Enjoy the rest of your day.

Peaple from different cultures on earth studied nature,and afterwards makes laws based on their various understanding! Those whose line of thought are in agreement sees one another as brothers since it's the same rules that governs them,but ones their is contradicting ideas on the conclusion of some tribe and others about nature, they're known as neighbours only. I think the same applies here Sir,because you read the Bible and i also read the same Bible,your understanding of it totally differs from mine. So instead of arguing,it's better we see each other as neighbours studying the same thing but have divers opinions and that is if we live close to each other! I agreed completely with brocab's conclusion,we're not on the same page so each person goes and worship his God the best way he knows since our God is NOT the same! And that doesn't mean one shouldn't wish the other well,if your God said those who aren't worshiping as stated are going to hellfire,let's leave it at that until then. If my God says those who disagree with the GB will be destroyed,let's leave it at that until then! So for now i've never seen you nor know where you live therefore we're both strangers to each other NOT even neighbours since we don't live close to one another! undecided
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:16pm On Mar 15
Maximus69:


Perhaps what he meant to say is all those different religious organization remain silent whenever they publicly declare them false unlike the JWs whose beliefs are well known by majority due to their persistence! Because i can't grasp what the term NONE DENOMINATION meant if all those religious groups has individuals strictly attending specific churches as members
If the none denomination arrangement is for REAL how come some aren't members of CAN? Because a fellow agent made me know that there are religious groups who deliberately refused to join the Christian Association of Nigeria(CAN). I was shocked when he said it's not only JWs as i guessed but churches like DEEPERLIFE too! undecided
Maximus69:
If not because i've gotten enough evidence on NL, do you know i would have tried what you just posted now?
Hmmm 'whenever you hear TRINITY,just take a bow!'
That's exactly what's happening,because despite having different line of thought they all bow down to the TRINITY! No wonder Achorladey can't distinguish between the Churches, he only castigate JWs unlike Olaadegbu who keeps posting different threads condemning other TRINITY churches like Catholics!
Hmmm definitely Deeperlife has something strange but due to forming alliance against JWs they won't come out openly against others for now! embarassed
They're NOT member of CAN,is that not strange? undecided

We may be attending different churches but we agree on the essential doctrines of the Bible. As for JW's and other cults, they are on their own.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:34pm On Mar 15
Maximus69:


Hmmm, From Janosky's post i can discern that Jesus purposely brought a body that would convince (DOUBTFUL) Thomas that he has been resurrected!

Why would Jesus 'purposely' bring a body so as to deceive 'doubtful' Thomas that He has physically resurrected? undecided

Maximus69:


If angels appeared to Abraham,Jacob and Lot. If those angels ate PHYSICAL food before them and they can touch those angels, surely any other angel can equally materialise or dematerialize for a purpose!

Do angels have flesh and bones, since you believe Jesus is angel Michael? undecided

Maximus69:


So Jesus never brought in those wounds to prove before all his disciples that he has been resurrected but to help only one person,and that is Thomas who said 'unless i stick my finger into those nail wounds,i won't believe' John 20:25

Blessed are those who believe that Jesus resurrected in the flesh without seeing the physical evidence of the prints of nails in His hands.

Maximus69:

You keep asking a childish question regarding NAIL but i've notice you're not sincere just because of the old tradition you want to believe. If Jesus died on a STAKE that means two NAILS will suffice during his execution,and if on a CROSS it will be three NAILS, either way what will still be recorded is NAILS not NAIL!

Let me correct your wrong assumptions. If Jesus died on a STAKE that means one nail will suffice during His execution. If He died on a CROSS it will be two NAILS. Hence the mark of two nails on His hands.

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