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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by ednut1(m): 6:41pm On May 28, 2017
Bros i am writing same exam next year. My unborn kids would not forgive me if i have dem in this doomed nation. Nigeria no Worth am

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by Viking007(m): 6:49pm On May 28, 2017
Joavid:


for your mind now you're educating me grin grin

Its really funny that you think you sound intelligent and knowledgeable.

we talking Nigeria, you talking MLK and Obama - thinking like a kid in kindergarten.


Continue to wallow in your delusion, as long as it makes you happy.
cheesy Reading her comments reminds me of my college days. Where one feels everything he/she reads in a text book is a true reflection of reality.

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by Acidosis(m): 6:54pm On May 28, 2017
Pidgin2, the most patriotic Nigerian I have ever met online.

As much as I don't have an "abroad" mentality, I dislike our leaders with passion. I will stand anywhere to defend Nigeria in the midst of our common enemies (majority will do same oversea, especially when confronted by pathetic racists).

Brain drain is a serious issue, but in the case of Nigeria where unemployment remains extremely high, there is absolutely nothing to worry about. Over 1 million candidates sit for JAMB exam yearly. If the so called brain cannot harness the available or unavailable opportunities, then they won't be missed at home. Buhari is a case study here, his absence and presence add NOTHING to my life. He has long been replaced.

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by Nobody: 7:39pm On May 28, 2017
Acidosis:
Pidgin2, the most patriotic Nigerian I have ever met online.

As much as I don't have an "abroad" mentality, I dislike our leaders with passion. I will stand anywhere to defend Nigeria in the midst of our common enemies (majority will do same oversea, especially when confronted by pathetic racists).

Brain drain is a serious issue, but in the case of Nigeria where unemployment remains extremely high, there is absolutely nothing to worry about. Over 1 million candidates sit for JAMB exam yearly. If the so called brain cannot harness the available or unavailable opportunities, then they won't be missed at home. Buhari is a case study here, his absence and presence add NOTHING to my life. He has long been replaced.

Well said smiley
Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by Nobody: 7:44pm On May 28, 2017
trilobite:


you're off point here. Brain drain in any developing country, is a serious issue.


We have enough graduates looking for jobs here, when most of the middle class migrate they'll create space for others who are qualified here to take the jobs they left behind, it's a good thing in my opinion

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by Nobody: 7:50pm On May 28, 2017
Joavid:


for your mind now you're educating me grin grin

Its really funny that you think you sound intelligent and knowledgeable.

we talking Nigeria, you talking MLK and Obama - thinking like a kid in kindergarten.


Continue to wallow in your delusion, as long as it makes you happy.

You don't know that America was once undeveloped? You seem like a novice as it appears you keep arguing out of point

I mentioned America because Americans developed that nation, it wasn't done by angels but by the collective efforts of the citizens meaning development can be replicated in any other country by the same procedure

I don't feel I'm lecturing you, I know I am because you don't know much dear, take care.

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by Nobody: 8:18pm On May 28, 2017
Pidgin2:


Why didn't you pick his own comment before picking mine, it would make more sense to get both don't you think? Anyone interested can read the whole dialogue which this poster has decided to only pic my response https://www.nairaland.com/3816292/abia-calabar

I'm glad you know where I stand. I can't wait for our population to truly reduce, that's the only way we can enjoy abundance, mind you I'm a population expert smiley take care

Population to reduce? Ehn ehn...but Boko Haram is already doing the work effectively by kiliing people and reducing population , what else do you want again You dis woman tongue


Na wah ooooh

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by Nobody: 8:22pm On May 28, 2017
Acidosis:
Pidgin2, the most patriotic Nigerian I have ever met online.

As much as I don't have an "abroad" mentality, I dislike our leaders with passion. I will stand anywhere to defend Nigeria in the midst of our common enemies (majority will do same oversea, especially when confronted by pathetic racists).

Brain drain is a serious issue, but in the case of Nigeria where unemployment remains extremely high, there is absolutely nothing to worry about. Over 1 million candidates sit for JAMB exam yearly. If the so called brain cannot harness the available or unavailable opportunities, then they won't be missed at home. Buhari is a case study here, his absence and presence add NOTHING to my life. He has long been replaced.

Errrrm Replaced by What ?
Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by Acidosis(m): 9:01pm On May 28, 2017
cruchenuti:

Errrrm Replaced by What ?
Vice President

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by patani(m): 9:52pm On May 28, 2017
Pidgin2:


It's good, let them go, this country is over populated. As soon as a large number of people migrate we will have more things to enjoy here, I'm so happy about this news, you should be glad because life will be much better when fewer people are using the available resources we have here, less people struggling for jobs, cheaper food stuffs, cheaper housing, etc I sincerely pray this is real.


Your son is not qualified to drive at his age, to avoid issues once he gets to the right age, he should get a driving license and your unfounded fears will be unnecessary, let's do the right things at the right time sir


I love this country cheesy


Dream on bro! U feel population is the problem? I can assure you that these middle class will leave and your so called government will continue to suffer you. Job you will not get..good road you will not see . The jobs will be given to unqualified connected few anyway.

Meanwhile, are you aware that middle class is what sustain small businesses ? You will be shocked economy will suffer for it. Health sector collapses when middles class leave. Only mediocre professionals are employed and the sound ones find their way to a better society . Get your facts right next time and stop sounding like a victim of circumstances

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by trilobite: 7:48am On May 29, 2017
Pidgin2:


We have enough graduates looking for jobs here, when most of the middle class migrate they'll create space for others who are qualified here to take the jobs they left behind, it's a good thing in my opinion

correction: we have enough inexperienced, unspecialized graduates.
There are a lot of specialized scientific fields we are experiencing serious shortage at the moment. Nigeria doesn't have the facilities to train some scientists, so we train them abroad where they end up getting poached.

I seem to recall the national body for doctors crying about a shortage of doctors. To my knowledge there are a lot of graduate doctors, but there is a scarcity of some specialists.

I could go on but point is no country develops if its best keep getting poached.

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by Acidosis(m): 8:01am On May 29, 2017
Come to think of it...What's the essence of this thread?

The middle class have always loved the idea of traveling abroad since the period of Awolowo. I wonder what the OP wanted to see at the exam centre. Do you expect to see Bicycle or Maruwa? Who else can afford the expense?

Poverty has never been the main reason people travel abroad. They leave with the hope of making more money. The idea of enjoying basic amenities is largely an excuse for those whose high financial expectations remains unmet. Anyone with money in Nigeria can enjoy anything, including freedom.

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by MiddleDimension: 8:30am On May 29, 2017
Pidgin2:


Yes, I was coming to that but after reading your exaggerations I changed my mind

Here's a quick one, with a reduction in population, you will definitely have fewer people struggling for the available resources we have, for example, right now, because of high demand for good schools, prices of school fees are high to get quality education but when there are fewer people demanding such, prices will reduce

Wherever demand is high, prices go up, with a reduction in population, prices of goods, services, transportation will also reduce because fewer number of people will demand for it hence there will be a surplus in supply, bringing down the cost

Also, Nigeria being one of the most populous multi ethnic black countries is battling with how to utilize our human resources at the same time manage population explosion. Unfortunately we do not have correct data to help us solve this problem. There has to be some control and accurate data on population growth and it's implications for us in order to truly access and harness what we have

Our main problem is our inability to manage our explosive population complicated by our open borders where foreigners can easily mingle and do whatever they want

Because of our multi ethnicity, our population has become too big for someone to properly manage at the center this is why true federalism is the answer.

Other issues of concern are: laziness of the average citizen, lack of patriotism, change in attitude and value of the masses(get rich quick or die trying), tribalism, bad leadership, and corruption.

Good day


thank you so much for your work in putting that guy in his place. Sometimes, the kind of mind some people have can drain you of all te energy you would have used to correct their ignorance and self hate.

Thanks again.

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by MiddleDimension: 8:37am On May 29, 2017
ednut1:
Bros i am writing same exam next year. My unborn kids would not forgive me if i have dem in this doomed nation. Nigeria no Worth am

pls go, you'd be doing us a favour by going. Your children will be happy that you left, and my children will also be happy that you left too. That means fewer people struggling for admission opportunities into universities, fewer classmates for him, and that automatically means better teacher/student ratio in favour of te teachers, which will translate into better attention paid to every student including my child. This also means better educational outcomes. The list goes on and on.

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by ednut1(m): 8:52am On May 29, 2017
MiddleDimension:


pls go, you'd be doing us a favour by going. Your children will be happy that you left, and my children will also be happy that you left too. That means fewer people struggling for admission opportunities into universities, fewer classmates for him, and that automatically means better teacher/student ratio in favour of te teachers, which will translate into better attention paid to every student including my child. This also means better educational outcomes. The list goes on and on.
dey console ur self u hear. In 25 years time most public uni wud hav become shit holes. Only private unis will be top notch u hear. Studied in d uk nd Nigeria. Nd i can tell u. What we hv here is not education. Just cram and pour. No wonder we never invent any thing. Even ur president goes to uk for medical care while poor citizens like us can go to general hospital and die like fowl

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by Nobody: 8:59am On May 29, 2017
MiddleDimension:


thank you so much for your work in putting that guy in his place. Sometimes, the kind of mind some people have can drain you of all te energy you would have used to correct their ignorance and self hate.

Thanks again.

U are welcome smiley
Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by MiddleDimension: 9:00am On May 29, 2017
Viking007:
cheesy Reading her comments reminds me of my college days. Where one feels everything he/she reads in a text book is a true reflection of reality.

ofcourse, everything you read in school then is a true reflection of reality! Evolution is real, ravity is realm capitalism, socialism, political economy and all those other topic taught to you in law and other disciplines ARE REAL!

the problem with your likes is that: when other people from other parts of the world, or some Nigerians who travel abroad, and then turn back to use these same things you learnt in textbooks, which is what they teach them too is those universities abroad, to sharpen their eloquence and come here on NL to rubbish Nigeria and rob the likes of you who live here in Nigeria, your self-esteem, you quickly agree with them and say something as embarrassing as "oh, what they have is painful but true". It is then you would begin to channel all the blames to the leaders and say "i blame our leaders...if not for our leaders", as if you have been a good follower yourself.

And let me tell you: the attitude you and your likes are sowing here in this thread, is a reflection that if you were in the position of our leaders, you would not even know how to do things and when things get complicated, you will chicken out, just as you are trying to chicken out because you can't manae to solve your little family's economic problems.

So don't you ever say "i blame our leaders...if not because our leaders have looted us dry, who is Ghana, SA or Kenya to say rubbish to us". You can't say that because you yourself would abandon the country should you face challenges.

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by MiddleDimension: 9:05am On May 29, 2017
Acidosis:
Pidgin2, the most patriotic Nigerian I have ever met online.

As much as I don't have an "abroad" mentality, I dislike our leaders with passion. I will stand anywhere to defend Nigeria in the midst of our common enemies (majority will do same oversea, especially when confronted by pathetic racists).

Brain drain is a serious issue, but in the case of Nigeria where unemployment remains extremely high, there is absolutely nothing to worry about. Over 1 million candidates sit for JAMB exam yearly. If the so called brain cannot harness the available or unavailable opportunities, then they won't be missed at home. Buhari is a case study here, his absence and presence add NOTHING to my life. He has long been replaced.

there are other patriotic Nigerians too. The likes of Rossikk, and those Nigerians on the military thread in the foreign section. The thing is: you don't find them in other threads because they can't stand the inherent cynicism that is the automatic behaviour of the average Nigerian.

The worst things is this: this incomprehensible cynicism, is further reinforced by massive ignorance!
Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by MiddleDimension: 9:19am On May 29, 2017
ednut1:
dey console ur self u hear. In 25 years time most public uni wud hav become shit holes. Only private unis will be top notch u hear. Studied in d uk nd Nigeria. Nd i can tell u. What we hv here is not education. Just cram and pour. No wonder we never invent any thing. Even ur president goes to uk for medical care while poor citizens like us can go to general hospital and die like fowl

and you who've studied abroad in those 'better universities', what have you invented, if it is about where you are. And as far as i am concerned, Nigerian Universities are better today than British universities in Victorian era, yet that produced Darwin and going further into the past, the likes of Newton, Maxwell et al.
Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by MiddleDimension: 9:26am On May 29, 2017
trilobite:


correction: we have enough inexperienced, unspecialized graduates.
There are a lot of specialized scientific fields we are experiencing serious shortage at the moment. Nigeria doesn't have the facilities to train some scientists, so we train them abroad where they end up getting poached.

I seem to recall the national body for doctors crying about a shortage of doctors. To my knowledge there are a lot of graduate doctors, but there is a scarcity of some specialists.

I could go on but point is no country develops if its best keep getting poached.

Nigerian Universities are better than universities in the western world that created the likes of Darwin, Newton et al

acidiocis is right when he said the middle class have always wanted to go outside. Poverty, lack of opportunity, lack of basic amenities are not the reason these people want to leave. They have always wanted to leave.

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by trilobite: 9:30am On May 29, 2017
MiddleDimension:


Nigerian Universities are better than universities in the western world that created the likes of Darwin, Newton et al

acidiocis is right when he said the middle class have always wanted to go outside. Poverty, lack of opportunity, lack of basic amenities are not the reason these people want to leave. They have always wanted to leave.
Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by trilobite: 9:39am On May 29, 2017
MiddleDimension:


Nigerian Universities are better than universities in the western world that created the likes of Darwin, Newton et al

acidiocis is right when he said the middle class have always wanted to go outside. Poverty, lack of opportunity, lack of basic amenities are not the reason these people want to leave. They have always wanted to leave.

seriously?!! did you read what I typed?!! Nigerian universities are better than what? are you being sarcastic? Patriotism is good, but yours is something else.

I repeat, Nigeria doesn't have the facilities to train some specialists as long as these don't exist, the brain drain will continue. Go to some parts of Nigeria and see one professor lecturing in over 10 different universities. why? he is the only specialist in the that region.
Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by trilobite: 9:42am On May 29, 2017
MiddleDimension:


Nigerian Universities are better than universities in the western world that created the likes of Darwin, Newton et al

acidiocis is right when he said the middle class have always wanted to go outside. Poverty, lack of opportunity, lack of basic amenities are not the reason these people want to leave. They have always wanted to leave.

seriously?!! did you read what I typed?!! Nigerian universities are better than what? are you being sarcastic? Patriotism is good, but yours is something else.

I repeat, Nigeria doesn't have the facilities to train some specialists as long as these don't exist, the brain drain will continue. Go to some parts of Nigeria and see one professor lecturing in over 10 different universities. why? he is the only specialist in the that region.


Talent poaching decelerates growth.

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by trilobite: 9:46am On May 29, 2017
MiddleDimension:


and you who've studied abroad in those 'better universities', what have you invented, if it is about where you are. And as far as i am concerned, Nigerian Universities are better today than British universities in Victorian era, yet that produced Darwin and going further into the past, the likes of Newton, Maxwell et al.

OK!! i just saw this post and understood what you meant. Now let us go to that era: Newton and maxwell were English scientists who had an enabling research environment.

I have seen Nigerian scientists perform local research that would baffle those two if they were alive. Thing is, who in the government cares?

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by trilobite: 9:48am On May 29, 2017
MiddleDimension:


and you who've studied abroad in those 'better universities', what have you invented, if it is about where you are. And as far as i am concerned, Nigerian Universities are better today than British universities in Victorian era, yet that produced Darwin and going further into the past, the likes of Newton, Maxwell et al.

OK!! i just saw this post and understood what you meant. Now let us go to that era: Newton and maxwell were English scientists who had an enabling research environment.

I have seen Nigerian scientists perform local research that would baffle those two if they were alive. Thing is, who in the government cares? nobody.

You remember the earthquake prediction study carried out in the Southwest recently: the recommendations that were made, how many has the government carried out? none.

I round up with the statement one of my favorite Nigerian profs: NIGERIA IS NOT SERIOUS.

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by MiddleDimension: 9:59am On May 29, 2017
Pidgin2:


As they are here for now, what are they doing for the country? They are of no use to us here in the first place as most of them do not care about being useful to their home land so it's much better for them to go and contribute to their new country, there's nothing to be worried about.

Those of us who care, will contribute our own quota to make things better for our people.

don't mind the so-called brains that are said to be drained. Just because you have a masters, PhD and other professional certificates does not mean you are a 'brain'. A 'brain' that came out of the university and had to look for job? The 'brains' that have worked in our institutions for long, and still didn't change much? The 'brains' that could not stay back to revive the organizations in which they work, but thought about running away when their organizations begin experiencing challenges, are not brains in my opinion!

To put my point more clearly; real brain drain is not a footballer playing in our local league and running away to beg clubs in cyprus for a trial. Real brain drain is a foreign club coming down to offer you a contract and willing to pay your buy-out clause because they have been tracking your style of football and are impressed by you.

So, i don't think we should be bothered about those so called brains that have to go and write an exam in Oregun so that they would go and join the emplyment queue abroad to get a better deal.

If it was a true brain drain, those foreign companies would come and offer them jobs, while they are still working in their respective organizations and contributing inmensely. In this case, the companies will be the ones to go to embassy here in Nigeria to help secure their visa and work permit even before these true brains take off from Nigeria.

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by Viking007(m): 10:43am On May 29, 2017
MiddleDimension:


Nigerian Universities are better than universities in the western world that created the likes of Darwin, Newton et al

acidiocis is right when he said the middle class have always wanted to go outside. Poverty, lack of opportunity, lack of basic amenities are not the reason these people want to leave. They have always wanted to leave.
Emancipate Yourself from mental slavery. By the way, I saw Your long epistle, like the person before You. Not worth the trouble.
Namaste.
Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by Gerrard59(m): 11:08am On May 29, 2017
ednut1:
Bros i am writing same exam next year. My unborn kids would not forgive me if i have dem in this doomed nation. Nigeria no Worth am

Same here. My paternal grandad told my dad "e go better" for Nigeria, my dad told me "e go better" for Nigeria. The last I'll do is to tell my child same. Let someone not come and curse me in the future that I had every opportunity to leave but didn't.
Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by banmee(m): 1:02pm On May 29, 2017
Nigeria has a middle class? I thought it was just the rich and the poor?

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by bendike: 4:31pm On May 29, 2017
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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by cococandy(f): 9:10pm On May 29, 2017
Nigerian population isn't about to go down anytime soon. Not with almajiri's being born every five seconds. Let's not kid ourselves

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Re: The Exodus Of The Nigerian Middle Class Has Started. by blank(f): 10:35pm On May 29, 2017
cococandy:
Nigerian population isn't about to go down anytime soon. Not with almajiri's being born every five seconds. Let's not kid ourselves

The bad part is that the skilled and educated ones are leaving and being replaced by almajiris. I can imagine what the workforce will look like in a couple of years.

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