Amoto94:
Sukkot and Shymmex whatever happened in the past just forget and forge ahead you guys are intellectuals in your own right, brothers do fight but they will always reconcile for good. Sukkot no dey look for your Broda trouble again o.

sukkot:

Joavid:

abeg, what's the name of that site you watch movies for free?

sukkot:
respect to you my brother Amoto94. Yeah bro I have stopped looking for trouble na. I am on the straight and narrow road

sukkot:
hmm i dont even go on it anymore but its still there sha. its called VIOOZ.

sukkot:
they were called the NOK tribe. its an ancient tribe. nothing to do with igbo. google it. The NOK

sukkot:
so am looking at this map of nigeria in the 1800s and it shows yoruba and hausa and nupe territories and there is no mention of igbo. the igbo territories belonged to Niger protectorate and coast. my question is are igbos really from nigeria ? I am starting to think they migrated from cameroon to that region in the late 1800s. so the question is if they are Cameroonians why do they want to form biafra in nigeria ? look at this map and tell me i am wrong

www.nairaland.com/attachments/5490048_e1_jpeg0589c142e9397ad011c439904c1d6068

ivolt:


They are indigenous to Nigeria, the reason they were not shown on that map is because
they have not developed past the village clan level and had no significant civilization, a
requirement for being noticed in the 17th century.
Each hamlet was on its own fighting the other hamlets.

sukkot:
so am looking at this map of nigeria in the 1800s and it shows yoruba and hausa and nupe territories and there is no mention of igbo. the igbo territories belonged to Niger protectorate and coast. my question is are igbos really from nigeria ? I am starting to think they migrated from cameroon to that region in the late 1800s. so the question is if they are Cameroonians why do they want to form biafra in nigeria ? look at this map and tell me i am wrong

www.nairaland.com/attachments/5490048_e1_jpeg0589c142e9397ad011c439904c1d6068

sukkot:
i dont think requirements to be on a map is development though. a map is about geographical areas and the people in it irrespective of how developed they appear to be or not. thats all am saying bro

ivolt:


They are indigenous to Nigeria, the reason they were not shown on that map is because
they have not developed past the village clan level and had no significant civilization, a
requirement for being noticed in the 17th century.
Each hamlet was on its own fighting the other hamlets.

ivolt:


Geographical map areas are determined by people
and their economic and social importance to the map creators not land.

Most Nigerian minority tribes were not featured on that map.

Even if you pick up google map today, there are areas that are co-opted
into larger sections. It doesn't mean people don't exist on such lands,
just that they insignificant, population or economic wise.

DerideGull:


There are too many airheads in the cesspit called Nigeria. The clueless bunch of nefarious maggots do not have any sense of critical approach to scratched images. In a work such as the map, the onlooker should have asked who was the cartographer and did the sketcher have any ulterior motives? The British and most Europeans have no credibility in anything Nigeria as long as Igbo person is involved.

sukkot:
and what exactly do europeans and british have against igbo ?

DerideGull:


Please go and consult your history text books. It has manifested in every phase of our lives in Nigeria. In addition, Ndigbo are not from Nigeria as you would want us to believe and yet the resolute intention of Ndigbo to vacate the cesspit called Nigeria has triggered all forms of idiotic behaviors in most Nigerians including this silly post.

sukkot:
those maps are drawn up by europeans and they are impartial. they send their agents to these villages and ask for the names of the people and they put it on the map. the map areas are not determined by the indigenous people, its europeans who drew up the map. so the fact that igbo was not included in that map at that time tells me they never existed as of that time. i believe that map is 400 or so years old. and yes as you said, most nigerian tribes were not included but these are small tribes. the igbo is the 3rd largest tribe for chrissakes. how do you leave out the 3rd biggest tribe when hausa and yoruba is on the map ? its impossible. only reason is they are recent migrants in the last 400 years. am telling you bro. reason the matter. the 3rd largest tribe not on the map ?

ivolt:


Sorry to burst your bubble, it is in the interest of europeans to be partial in colonial times.
They were not in Africa for altruistic purpose, they were here for business.

Anyway, there are solid reference of Igbos in pre-1800s Nigeria.
As you know the only way to prove a theory is to gather evidence,
just one map will not do.

A quick study of Nigeria's Atlantic slave trade will clear your doubt.

sukkot:
stop being paranoid. the europeans and british do not care about igbo enough to hate you. like are you a threat to them ? are you a military or economic threat ? please dont make me laff oooo lol

DerideGull:


You are already laughing at your ignorance. It was not even a dumbass Nigerian that declared that Biafra will not stand but an idiotic British Prime Minister. I really do not know if I should call you a boy or something else.

sukkot:
partial when drawing a map ? come on dude lol. and the slave trade only kicked into full gear in the 1700s and i have looked at the slave names and most of the names i saw there was yoruba. if i find the list of slave names i will put it in the thread. i did not see one single igbo name. i swear to YAH

sukkot:
partial when drawing a map ? come on dude lol. and the slave trade only kicked into full gear in the 1700s and i have looked at the slave names and most of the names i saw there was yoruba. if i find the list of slave names i will put it in the thread. i did not see one single igbo name. i swear to YAH

ivolt:


Check this wikipedia article, don't just read the article,
please endeavour to follow the references.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_the_Atlantic_slave_trade

DerideGull:


Are this slow? There was a map of Nigeria that has been circulated on this forum with places such backwater places such as Ogbomosho, Ota, Ibadan and few craps from northern region yet there was not even a single capital city from southeast such as Enugu, Owerri, Umuahia, Awka or Abakaliki on the silly map. It is unfortunate you are hopelessly uninformed that an author decides what is written in a book.

ivolt:


Check this wikipedia article, don't just read the article,
please endeavour to follow the references.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_the_Atlantic_slave_trade

ivolt:


Check this wikipedia article, don't just read the article,
please endeavour to follow the references.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_the_Atlantic_slave_trade

sukkot:
here is yet another old map showing you where biafra was. notice i have given you 3 old maps ? so i hope you are now clear as to why igbos were not on 1700 nigerian map. its because they were still in cameroon and hadnt mass migrated to nigeria yet. i suspect during the slave trade era is when they all start running into nigeria and in no time SE nigeria became their hub

ivolt:


I would have written a long response but I am a bit busy now.
Please ponder on these two points:

Nri kingdom(in present day land-locked Anambra) was established in the 9th century : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Nri

Onitsha was established in the 1500s by Igbos who migrated from Benin not Cameroon : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onitsha

Finally, if your theory is right, you should aim to publish your findings in a reputable
history journal, since a mass migration of Igbos in the 1700-1800s will be such a big
discovery.

sukkot:
bro i know you are not using wikipedia as a source right ? anybody can put an article up on wikipedia. provide primary source. see how i provided you 3 maps from the 1600s and 1700s ? give me primary source not wikipedia articles

Scholes007:
And what's the source of the map?