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Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by vanunu: 4:09am On Jun 14, 2017
Through out history, empires and countries with diverse ethnic groups have collapsed like pack of cards.

In the past, there use to be the Roman Empire, the Orthman empire, the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia etc. United States of America is a country of immigrants, that is why the country is still intact. Above all, they have agreed to be together.

The question we Nigerians should ask ourselves is, have we agreed to live in peace together. The answer is no. Nigerians are only pretending to be one, that is why nothing is working in the country and that is why it cannot fight common corruption.

All lovers of freedom and humanity should come out and speak out for peaceful separation, before Nigeria collapses under its own wait.

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Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by Kondomatic(m): 4:27am On Jun 14, 2017
True Talk
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by jomoh: 5:23am On Jun 14, 2017
Nope. I disagree. Our corrupt mentality is.


We are not as diverse as India or China.


I would have said our pride or arrogance but when I thought of South Africans who wouldn't see another language as superior to theirs and won't settle for one language to the extent of having up to 11 official languages then I believe it is our corrupt mentality.

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Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by Terkimbi01: 6:01am On Jun 14, 2017
jomoh:
Nope. I disagree. Our corrupt mentality is.


We are not as diverse as India or China.


I would have said our pride or arrogance but when I thought of South Africans who wouldn't see another language as superior to theirs and won't settle for one language to the extent of having up to 11 official languages then I believe it is our corrupt mentality.

I don't know what you mean by "our corrupt" mentality

please, count me out sir.
What has the wiping out of Benue communities while.they are asleep got to do with corruption?

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Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by Terkimbi01: 6:02am On Jun 14, 2017
vanunu:
Through out history, empires and countries with diverse ethnic groups have collapsed like pack of cards.

In the past, there use to be the Roman Empire, the Orthman empire, the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia etc. United States of America is a country of immigrants, that is why the country is still intact. Above all, they have agreed to be together.

The question we Nigerians should ask ourselves is, have we agreed to live in peace together. The answer is no. Nigerians are only pretending to be one, that is why nothing is working in the country and that is why it cannot fight common corruption.

All lovers of freedom and humanity should come out and speak out for peaceful separation, before Nigeria collapses under its own wait.


Thank you
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by vanunu: 6:02am On Jun 14, 2017
jomoh:
Nope. I disagree. Our corrupt mentality is.


We are not as diverse as India or China.


I would have said our pride or arrogance but when I thought of South Africans who wouldn't see another language as superior to theirs and won't settle for one language to the extent of having up to 11 official languages then I believe it is our corrupt mentality.

But we have more ethnic groups than China and India, even china has a lot of disunity issues, so don't mention China. Places like TIbet, Taiwan and Indian administered Kashmir etc have the same problems we have here.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by Terkimbi01: 6:08am On Jun 14, 2017
vanunu:


But we have more ethnic groups than China and India, even china has a lot of disunity issues, so don't mention China. Places like TIbet, Taiwan and Indian administered Kashmir etc have the same problems we have here.

He also fails to realise that China does not have Islam like we have it in the north.

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Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by jomoh: 10:45am On Jun 14, 2017
vanunu:


But we have more ethnic groups than China and India, even china has a lot of disunity issues, so don't mention China. Places like TIbet, Taiwan and Indian administered Kashmir etc have the same problems we have here.


Yes we may have more than they do and yes they may have their disunity too but ours has gone beyond disunity, it has reached the level of hatred.

No two different ethnic groups can ever form a fully United front but going back in history, we were living side by side without this much hatred and vile but the more our corrupt lifestyle start to affect other tribes, the more the hatred and disunity expands.

Yorubas accusing Igbos of being drug traffickers and into baby factories.

Igbos accusing Yorubas of being ritualists and back stabbers

Everyone is accusing the hausas of being terrorists and the SS of being militants.

But lets dig deep into the causes of all this things you find out they are multiplier effects of corruption.

Today USA has more ethnic groups (albeit second hand) that lay claim to citizenship than any country in the world but they all survive because the corrupt tendency to want to cheat the next person is at the bearest minimum therefore there is this sense of trust towards each other.

When you trust someone, the tendency to want to hurt the person is reduced but it does not mean the person trust you. Which means the person can hurt you. Almost everyone trust Hausa to speak the truth but Hausa don't trust anyone but themselves. That's why you see hausas killing others than others killing Hausa. It is recently that people are starting to distrust them too.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by jomoh: 10:49am On Jun 14, 2017
Terkimbi01:


I don't know what you mean by "our corrupt" mentality

please, count me out sir.
What has the wiping out of Benue communities while.they are asleep got to do with corruption?





Oga of someone is not corrupt somewhere, justice would have been served and the person on the right and the one in the wrong wouldve known their places.

If justice was not quickly served in the bakkassi peninsula, do you have an idea how many people would've died in that region.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by jomoh: 10:59am On Jun 14, 2017
Terkimbi01:


He also fails to realise that China does not have Islam like we have it in the north.

You see what I am talking about. Your mentality has been corrupted that you now believe China is United because they don't have Islam whereas the person you quoted said the opposite.

For your information, China also has their unity problem but they appear more United because they have managed to scale down their corrupt mentality. China was greatly embroiled in unity problem long before now and that led them to decades of under-development. It was until they started to address their corrupt mentality that they started growing and forming a United front.

Islam is next to non existent in SA but does that make them more United. No but they appear to be because they are not as corrupt as Nigerians.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by Terkimbi01: 8:23am On Jun 16, 2017
jomoh:


You see what I am talking about. Your mentality has been corrupted that you now believe China is United because they don't have Islam whereas the person you quoted said the opposite.

For your information, China also has their unity problem but they appear more United because they have managed to scale down their corrupt mentality. China was greatly embroiled in unity problem long before now and that led them to decades of under-development. It was until they started to address their corrupt mentality that they started growing and forming a United front.

Islam is next to non existent in SA but does that make them more United. No but they appear to be because they are not as corrupt as Nigerians.

so how many times have you ready about some Chinese invading the lands of fellow Chinese and wiping them out while they slept?

how many times have riot broke out in China and a particular section of the Chinese are killed by fellow Chinese.

Every unity comes with some price, but wiping out Benue state in the name of unified Nigeria is out of the question.

excuse me please.

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Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by Terkimbi01: 8:25am On Jun 16, 2017
jomoh:



Oga of someone is not corrupt somewhere, justice would have been served and the person on the right and the one in the wrong wouldve known their places.

If justice was not quickly served in the bakkassi peninsula, do you have an idea how many people would've died in that region.

To be candid with you , you are playing with my intelligence and I don't like it.

So, you are now equating Jihardism as corruption?

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Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by jomoh: 6:57pm On Jun 16, 2017
Terkimbi01:


To be candid with you , you are playing with my intelligence and I don't like it.

So, you are now equating Jihardism as corruption?



So the ever present communal clashes happening in Jos and other SS states are Jihadism. So because Fulani herdsmen is involved now, it is jihardism.


First you need to learn about causes and effects, then clear your mind of hate and see the truth that there have always been communal clashes in Nigeria long before Bokoharam.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by deedeedee1: 7:51pm On Jun 16, 2017
jomoh:
Nope. I disagree. Our corrupt mentality is.


We are not as diverse as India or China.


I would have said our pride or arrogance but when I thought of South Africans who wouldn't see another language as superior to theirs and won't settle for one language to the extent of having up to 11 official languages then I believe it is our corrupt mentality.
Nigeria is not as diverse as china. Stop saying nonsense

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Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by deedeedee1: 7:52pm On Jun 16, 2017
Terkimbi01:


so how many times have you ready about some Chinese invading the lands of fellow Chinese and wiping them out while they slept?

how many times have riot broke out in China and a particular section of the Chinese are killed by fellow Chinese.

Every unity comes with some price, but wiping out Benue state in the name of unified Nigeria is out of the question.

excuse me please.
Leave the guy. Let him be saying nonsense.

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Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by jomoh: 8:25pm On Jun 16, 2017
deedeedee1:
Nigeria is not as diverse as china. Stop saying nonsense


You're the one saying nonsense Google is your friend.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by deedeedee1: 8:30pm On Jun 16, 2017
jomoh:




You're the one saying nonsense Google is your friend.
There are 57 ethnic groups in china. Nigeria has almost 300

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Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by Terkimbi01: 8:46pm On Jun 16, 2017
jomoh:



So the ever present communal clashes happening in Jos and other SS states are Jihadism. So because Fulani herdsmen is involved now, it is jihardism.


First you need to learn about causes and effects, then clear your mind of hate and see the truth that there have always been communal clashes in Nigeria long before Bokoharam.

There is a different between communal clashes and genocide.

it is only the wicked that will call the Fulani herdsmen invasions as communal clash.

For your info, both the herdsmen and Boko Haram are working to achieve the dreams of the Fulani Jihardist called Usman Dan Fodio.

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Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by jomoh: 8:50pm On Jun 16, 2017
deedeedee1:

There are 57 ethnic groups in china. Nigeria has almost 300



There are 56 reported ethnic groups in China, without mentioning the sub ethnic groups.


There are less than 20 majors ethnic groups in Nigeria. It is the sub ethnic groups that takes it to 300.

Yoruba is an ethnic group in Nigeria, Ijebu, Ebira, Egba, ekiti, Igbomina are sub ethnic groups.

Hausa is an ethnic group In Nigeria but there are hundreds of Hausa speaking cultures.


If China has 56 reported ethnic groups, you can imagine the number of sub ethnic groups there.


Again Google is your friend and your enemy, it all depends on how you choose to filter the information you get from it.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by jomoh: 8:59pm On Jun 16, 2017
Terkimbi01:


There is a different between communal clashes and genocide.

it is only the wicked that will call the Fulani herdsmen invasions as communal clash.

For your info, both the herdsmen and Boko Haram are working to achieve the dreams of the Fulani Jihardist called Usman Dan Fodio.



Now you're getting irritating with your hatred for a particular religion which takes me back to my stand. You're part of the corruption bedeviling this nation.

All you've shown all through the discussion is your plain hatred for a particular religion. The same way you are hating on this people and by extention anyone associated with the religion is mind boggling.


Then again your argument has still not challenged my stance. If we are not mentally corrupt how can there be genocide in a country that has rule of law. Yet nobody is being made to answer for the crime in this age and time.

Drop your emotions that is on the verge of bigotry and learn the meaning of corruption.


BTW there is no difference between communal clashes and genocide. Communal clashes become genocide when a particular ethnic group starts having the upper hand over the other.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by jomoh: 9:04pm On Jun 16, 2017
Terkimbi01:


so how many times have you ready about some Chinese invading the lands of fellow Chinese and wiping them out while they slept?

how many times have riot broke out in China and a particular section of the Chinese are killed by fellow Chinese.

Every unity comes with some price, but wiping out Benue state in the name of unified Nigeria is out of the question.

excuse me please.

Terkimbi01:


so how many times have you ready about some Chinese invading the lands of fellow Chinese and wiping them out while they slept?

how many times have riot broke out in China and a particular section of the Chinese are killed by fellow Chinese.

Every unity comes with some price, but wiping out Benue state in the name of unified Nigeria is out of the question.

excuse me please.


Stop all this. It's embarrasing that a Nigerian will be talking about Benue communal clashes in this manner.

A knowledgeable Nigerian knows the communal clashes was the main reason the Ighala people of Kogi state were separated from Gongola state to join the ebira people in kogi. That is if you know the story of the old Gongola state.

It has been continuing ever since OBJ time.


Go and read the history of China and particularly the book called "The Art of War" written by a Chinese emperor.

What do you think the great walls of China are for? Time travel? It was built for defence against "foreign" invaders who are today part of China.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by deedeedee1: 9:06pm On Jun 16, 2017
jomoh:




There are 56 reported ethnic groups in China, without mentioning the sub ethnic groups.


There are less than 20 majors ethnic groups in Nigeria. It is the sub ethnic groups that takes it to 300.

Yoruba is an ethnic group in Nigeria, Ijebu, Ebira, Egba, ekiti, Igbomina are sub ethnic groups.

Hausa is an ethnic group In Nigeria but there are hundreds of Hausa speaking cultures.


If China has 56 reported ethnic groups, you can imagine the number of sub ethnic groups there.


Again Google is your friend and your enemy, it all depends on how you choose to filter the information you get from it.
Nigeria does not have 20 ethnic groups. We have far much more than that. Niger delta alone has more than 20. How can you now compare china with nigeria. You are using sub ethnic group to measure diversity.
Baba, you dont know what you are saying
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by jomoh: 9:12pm On Jun 16, 2017
deedeedee1:

Nigeria does not have 20 ethnic groups. We have far much more than that. Niger delta alone has more than 20. How can you now compare china with nigeria. You are using sub ethnic group to measure diversity.
Baba, you dont know what you are saying


Kaduna alone has more than 20 ethinic groups but according to international recognition, they are all Hausa but a Zango kataff man will never allow you call him Hausa but they speak Hausa.

Han is the major ethnic group in China and you think they too don't have groups like the Zango Kataff who would prefer not to be called Han?

Middle Easterners and north Africans are refered to as Arabs majorly but withing themselves they have groups.

Most of the 20 you are saying will be called Ijaw or Urhobo in international circles but it is within themselves that they know they are not Ijaws or Urhobo or Itsekiri.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by kingzizzy: 9:13pm On Jun 16, 2017
Nigeria, a largely Christian South and a largely muslim North?

How did anyone think this was going to work?

Who is kidding themselves that if the North had Sea port and Oil, we would still have 'one Nigeria' today?

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Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by deedeedee1: 9:41pm On Jun 16, 2017
jomoh:



Kaduna alone has more than 20 ethinic groups but according to international recognition, they are all Hausa but a Zango kataff man will never allow you call him Hausa but they speak Hausa.

Han is the major ethnic group in China and you think they too don't have groups like the Zango Kataff who would prefer not to be called Han?

Middle Easterners and north Africans are refered to as Arabs majorly but withing themselves they have groups.

Most of the 20 you are saying will be called Ijaw or Urhobo in international circles but it is within themselves that they know they are not Ijaws or Urhobo or Itsekiri.
That means you are saying nigeria has over 300 ethnic groups. Is that no so?
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by jomoh: 10:00pm On Jun 16, 2017
deedeedee1:

That means you are saying nigeria has over 300 ethnic groups. Is that no so?

Yes. Nigeria has only less than 20 internationally recognised ethnic groups with the remaining 270+ unrecognised


It also means if China has more than 56 reported then amongst them, they will surely have more than 500+ unrecognised.

Same applys to the Arabs who also have ethnic groups amongst them.

I hope you get my logic now.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by deedeedee1: 10:09pm On Jun 16, 2017
jomoh:


Yes. Nigeria has only less than 20 internationally recognised ethnic groups with the remaining 270+ unrecognised


It also means if China has more than 56 reported then amongst them, they will surely have more than 500+ unrecognised.

Same applys to the Arabs who also have ethnic groups amongst them.

I hope you get my logic now.
No you are wrong. The hargest ethnic group in china are the han, and they make up 92 percent of chine. This is a total different case from yoruba people who makeup 20 percent of the nigeria.
If one ethnic group can makeup 92 percent, who cares about the minorities? You cant use sub groups to measure a country diversity. Dont germans or other european countries/ethnic groups have subgroups?
I am ijesha, and there is no difference between me and an ijebu or egbaman. The only difference between me and the mentioned is that i speak a different dialect from them but same language.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by jomoh: 11:31pm On Jun 16, 2017
deedeedee1:

No you are wrong. The hargest ethnic group in china are the han, and they make up 92 percent of chine. This is a total different case from yoruba people who makeup 20 percent of the nigeria.
If one ethnic group can makeup 92 percent, who cares about the minorities? You cant use sub groups to measure a country diversity. Dont germans or other european countries/ethnic groups have subgroups?
I am ijesha, and there is no difference between me and an ijebu or egbaman. The only difference between me and the mentioned is that i speak a different dialect from them but same language.


What is the difference between an Hausa man and a kanuri man.

What is the difference between a Zango kattaf man and a kanuri man or an Hausa or a bororo or a fulani. According to international demography of Nigeria, they are the largest. but does the demography separate them into Kanuri, Zango Kataff, bororo no it doesnt.


In Yoruba land their is the Ebira, ILaje, Itsekiri, Egun, Tapa, okun people of Kogi. They don't speak typical Yoruba dilect but they are Known as Yoruba internationally. Some part of benin speak Yoruba but they don't call themselves Yoruba. A minority group in Delta speak Yoruba but they don't call themselves Yoruba.

Chinese demograph does not separate the Han too and it listed only 56 ethnic groups but in actual fact there are over 271 languages in China. So which ethnic groups are speaking the 271 that is "reported"(there will still be others not reported). Just because they are called Han doesn't mean there are not division within them.

Your Yoruba example is like that of the Mandarin spoken in varieties by 71% of the population which is not up to the 92% of the Han people. This shows that at least 21% of Han people don't speak Mandarin.

So what language do they speak? Definitely few or more of the 271 other languages.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by jumobi1(m): 11:50pm On Jun 16, 2017
It's lack of proper education. If we were properly educated, we'll demand better.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by Duru1(m): 12:04am On Jun 17, 2017
vanunu:
Through out history, empires and countries with diverse ethnic groups have collapsed like pack of cards.

In the past, there use to be the Roman Empire, the Orthman empire, the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia etc. United States of America is a country of immigrants, that is why the country is still intact. Above all, they have agreed to be together.

The question we Nigerians should ask ourselves is, have we agreed to live in peace together. The answer is no. Nigerians are only pretending to be one, that is why nothing is working in the country and that is why it cannot fight common corruption.


All lovers of freedom and humanity should come out and speak out for peaceful separation, before Nigeria collapses under its own wait.


Pretense is the hallmark of insincerity. There is no group of insincere people that became progressive. Nigeria stands out as a shining star in this category.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by Terkimbi01: 2:49am On Jun 17, 2017
jomoh:





Stop all this. It's embarrasing that a Nigerian will be talking about Benue communal clashes in this manner.

A knowledgeable Nigerian knows the communal clashes was the main reason the Ighala people of Kogi state were separated from Gongola state to join the ebira people in kogi. That is if you know the story of the old Gongola state.

It has been continuing ever since OBJ time.


Go and read the history of China and particularly the book called "The Art of War" written by a Chinese emperor.

What do you think the great walls of China are for? Time travel? It was built for defence against "foreign" invaders who are today part of China.

It is more embarrassing that a Nigerian will be defending genocide as communal clash.

Check our history.

Almost all religious based riots and killings are either in the core north.

Which region is the most volatile of all?

Where are there killings between host communities and their hosted communities and Fulani is not mentioned?

if there is communal clashes between neighbouring communities perhaps over some land matters, I can understand.

bro, I cannot understand the killings of Benue indigenes in their homes by the Fulani.

Something is wrong somewhere.
Re: Our Diversity Is The Cause Of Our Disunity by Terkimbi01: 2:56am On Jun 17, 2017
jomoh:



Now you're getting irritating with your hatred for a particular religion which takes me back to my stand. You're part of the corruption bedeviling this nation.

All you've shown all through the discussion is your plain hatred for a particular religion. The same way you are hating on this people and by extention anyone associated with the religion is mind boggling.


Then again your argument has still not challenged my stance. If we are not mentally corrupt how can there be genocide in a country that has rule of law. Yet nobody is being made to answer for the crime in this age and time.

Drop your emotions that is on the verge of bigotry and learn the meaning of corruption.


BTW there is no difference between communal clashes and genocide. Communal clashes become genocide when a particular ethnic group starts having the upper hand over the other.

the region you are referring to is hell bent on wiping out our people.

we are not aggressive, they are.
we are not killing them, they are killing us.

if stating this fact means hate to you, no problem.

who told you nobody is punished in Nigeria?

it depends on who is involved.

unarmed Biafrans were shot and killed at close range. Yoruba youths were arrested over Yoruba/Hausa clash, why can't the Fulani who are on rampage be challenged?

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