ShangoThor:



For me, this is where you nailed it, and considering this whole idea is a concept which ultimately has to be sold in order to gain traction and wide acceptance is is very necessary to try as much as possible to separate fact from fiction or myth.

There is nothing fictional about creating a Nation-State, this is not a joke whereby some roll out of bed and dream of creating an autonomous independent Nation-State, the main consideration here in buy-in and opt-in by most of the participants. Also as a concept, many other considerations have to be explored such as viability and the marketing for obvious reasons, and I could go on and on.

I would just like to say that this is what I do for a living and I get paid extremely handsomely to actualize concepts.
What you are effectively doing is creating a bone of contention before the idea actually germinates.

deedeedee1:

Thank you jare. I don't know why somebody will include itshekiri with us. It is like they don't know they are ridiculing us by including the minorities. Even if the itshekiri want to join, we will reject them.
I don't want to hear any cry of marginalization when we have our new country. Why then do we plan to leave Nigeria when we will still face the same problems that we faced under her? Let them stay on their own. We don't want them. We don't share same culture. They are closer to Benin and urhobo people.

forgiveness:



It seems you don't know Itshekiris are always in every meeting organized by Afenifere. In fact, they are bona-fide member of this organization.

Even, OPC dey warri on the request of Olu of Warri.

Omofunaab2:



I agree that i was wrong by inferring that the Eguns are ancestrally from a country that was not in existence then


But I think it's safe to say the Eguns in Nigeria can trace their origin to present day Benin republic.. While the yorubas indigenous to Benin Republic can also trace their origin to present day Nigeria?

deedeedee1:

Excellent contribution! The Yorubas in Benin and Togo speak Yoruba language and even look up to us here in Nigeria. I dont know why the ones in Nigeria don't really focus on them. I guess their obsession with "one nigeria" is the cause. There are "Nigerian yorubas" that dont even know that yoruba language is spoken by many in Benin and Togo
This is the map of Yorubaland in Benin republic and Togo.

SuperS1Panther:
We cannot be totally homogenous. We have contiguous ethnicities we have interacted with for centuries and mingled for years.

The Nupes, The Eguns, and even the Igbiras or Ebiras. Spome even bear full yoruba names as First Middle and Last names. IT is extremely difficult to take them out of the Republic. Loyalty and patriotism to the nation is fundamental and not negotiable.

People should take time to read Awolowo's book on how he was sent to prison and we should be wary of parliamentary system. Every mistake in the constitution that the North and East fully exploited to connived against Awolowo must be blocked.

My major headache is -- what do we do with the issue of Ilorin (mind y word -- not Kwara).

SuperS1Panther:


Yeah I can remember the invitation of OPC to Warri about 5years ago. Ganiyu Adams was in Warri ad the Ijaws vehemently kicked against it.

OPCNairaland, is an active member of OPC and he gave the perspective that led to it then.

Itshekiris know that they are better protected being with Yorubas than even being in ND Republic, where they can easily be exterminated by their enemies.

AshiwajuFoward:


There's only ONE particular ethnic group that I feel we must actively be wary of. No other ethnic group has insulted us more or shown as much contempt towards us in our own space/land than them. You welcome them and sell land to them in a spirit of openness and they turn back around and throw it in your face that you are 'lazy', that you owe your very existence to them, and that just coz you sold land to them they have every right to insult you and insult your culture and way of life. I think the rest can be reasoned with and accommodated coz even now they don't drag with us or disrespect us in our land. That's just my opinion.

StOla:


Ilorin is not an issue. It is Yoruba land, and the yorubas there would have to do away with their Emir title that the yorubanised descendants of the expansionist Alimi hold on to.

The problem of the Yorubas there is the Islam that binds them to the Fulani minority. Even the descendants of Alimi all speak Yoruba and have Yoruba names to claim some legitimacy.

forgiveness:


OPC dey warri upon the bragado of the Ijaws.

As you rightly said in the last paragraph, if they join ND, it's suicide. Urhobo and Ijaws will send them to extinction. They are pretty well aware hence their coalition with Afenifere and OPC.

forgiveness:

Yoruba land big ooooooo. I heard the Togo side of the land is very beautiful but make dem forget those sides first until the main region is formed. If it succeeds, success they say has many friends.

forgiveness:



Yoruba land big ooooooo. I heard the Togo side of the land is very beautiful but make dem forget those sides first until the main region is formed. If it succeeds, success they say has many friends.

SuperS1Panther:


You are absolutely right.

The Alimi descendants will either relocate back to Fouta Jallon or renounce their lineage and an Oba must be installed alongside the Emir.

OJUcrook:
Going foward, the Immigration and Citizenship issue would be a very tough nut to crack; a moot point. I agree with those who suggest that the Yoruba borders needs to be tightened, the immigration laws needs to be robust, the visa/citiezenship application needs to be very strict.

Selfishlly, or would I say personally, I wonder what would be the fate of people like us who identify ourselves more as Yoruba than our own ethnic group.

Olu317:
Alimi was not foutah Jallon. Verify his history. The man was from Mahli.

lakhadimar:
Bros i could not make it to abia, i am sure you were there. I really hope to make it at Ikorodu next month. How is the preparation going, has the registration started?

Olu317:
Are you sure OPC are in Warri?

omohayek:

Very wise words. The last thing a new state will need is to become embroiled in border disputes with its neighbors, when it should be devoting all of its energy to economic development. Better to have in the beginning a smaller but unified state, with the peace required to concentrate on the economy, than a geographically larger state plagued with instability and economic stagnation.

You can be sure that even if only the "core" SW states were to break off, but they were managing 11-12% annual GDP growth over a decade, the "Fulani" parts of Kwara, the Yoruba groups as far afield as Togo, and the Yoruba-affiliated groups like the Itsekiri, would have absolutely no problem with wanting to join up with such a state. If anything, the problem then would be keeping out all the unrelated groups suddenly inventing reasons for why they actually deserve to be regarded as Yoruba-derived.

Rapid economic growth absolutely has to be the top priority, above everything else. Military power, diplomatic recognition, cultural influence, all derive in the end from economic strength.

Olu317:
Are you sure OPC are in Warri?

jiangchu:

we have the resources to fight on all front. we have the legal luminnaires that can help win border dispute. and we can be building a robust economy on stable ground. YES it is possible.

forgiveness:



I don't think he is referring to the whole Edos and Deltas.

There are some communities in these areas that identifies themselves as Omoluabi. This can't be ignored.

It's not as if they have any form of mineral resources to contribute to the economy but they must be considered first then if they refuse, no wahala. But so far, I don't think they have refused.

I think those who are denouncing are ignorant about this Yorubas being indigenous to these states.

Besides, I know Itshekiris are also part of Afenifere group. They might likely join else they know now.

omohayek:

I think a lot of the negative sentiment on here is just a reaction to the relentless insults and accusations that have been coming from certain quarters, not a real indication of how people would feel under calmer circumstances. The fact is that a universal scheme of deportation is simply unworkable, as

* The Yoruba electorate wouldn't stand for it, not if it affected their own relatives and close friends - and vast numbers of Yoruba people would have at least a few such acquaintances.
* It would be extremely damaging to external relations. Western nations wouldn't find it so easy to lend the new state their support if it were made to look like a chauvinistic, xenophobic place in their publics' eyes, and the backing of powers like the USA, the UK, France and Germany is still extremely valuable, especially when it comes to weapons and military training.
* It would severely discourage FDI, which will be needed in quantities far greater than Nigeria has ever had, if the state is to be a productive, export-oriented place, rather than yet another struggling African state dependent on subsistence agriculture and resource extraction.

Hard-headed, pragmatic reasoning therefore suggests that as much as some people might wish otherwise, no blanket policy of expulsion could be implemented without severe blowback. As I mentioned earlier, there are subtler ways of achieving the intended effects without pretending that all foreigners are equally (un)desirable.

SuperS1Panther:


Yeah you are right.

He was part of the refugees fleeing from the killing machines from Fouta Jallon.

omohayek:

Very wise words. The last thing a new state will need is to become embroiled in border disputes with its neighbors, when it should be devoting all of its energy to economic development. Better to have in the beginning a smaller but unified state, with the peace required to concentrate on the economy, than a geographically larger state plagued with instability and economic stagnation.

You can be sure that even if only the "core" SW states were to break off, but they were managing 11-12% annual GDP growth over a decade, the "Fulani" parts of Kwara, the Yoruba groups as far afield as Togo, and the Yoruba-affiliated groups like the Itsekiri, would have absolutely no problem with wanting to join up with such a state. If anything, the problem then would be keeping out all the unrelated groups suddenly inventing reasons for why they actually deserve to be regarded as Yoruba-derived.

Rapid economic growth absolutely has to be the top priority, above everything else. Military power, diplomatic recognition, cultural influence, all derive in the end from economic strength.

seanet01:
Many people won't agree with Oduduwa Republic while many people will agree to it.
We should subject it to a referendum.

forgiveness:


I agree with your first and second paragraph but the last paragraph is what brought an end to the Oyo empire.

forgiveness:


I agree with your first and second paragraph but the last paragraph is what brought an end to the Oyo empire. The quest for economic growth over military strength.

I think if we are dreaming of becoming a world power, we must invest in the military else we will be vulnerable to our neighbors on the west, East and North.

Besides, what can bring a unified Omoluabi together is common enemy. Without this forget unity in Omoluabi land.

Therefore, I will advise we fight for all the lands in Nigeria, especially those who have identified with the state first, then after we are stable, move to recover the ones from Benin and Togo (if they want oooo).