Is there any Koranic basis for believing that those who kill & die for the faith will get the aforementioned virgins?

MrPrsdent:

Is there any Koranic basis for believing that those who kill & die for the faith will get the aforementioned virgins?

Its written in one of their worthless ahadiths.In sura4:74, there re other nasty rewards promised to jihadist

With what manhood are they gonna use. When did spirit/ghost start having d.i.cks

you will not get any rational response to this question, i have posted exactly the same question and no one will touch it with a 10-ft pole.

The sort of response you get when the truth hits close to home

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-398187.0.html

my dear friend, thank you for this you wrote. But it is a pitty you used a very stong language by saying one of their worthless ahadiths. My beloved friend, if you wish to know hadith 4:74, it goes:Hadith 4.74
Narrated by Abu Huraira "Allah's Apostle said, "Once Solomon, son of David said, '(By Allah) tonight I will have sexual intercourse with one hundred (or ninety-nine) women each of whom will give birth to a knight who will fight in Allah's cause.' On that a (i.e. if Allah wills) but he did not say, 'Allah's willing.' Therefore only one of those women conceived and gave birth to a half-man. By Him in Whose Hands Muhammad's life is, if he had said, "Allah's willing', (he would have begotten sons) all of whom would have been knights striving in Allah's cause."

And this is what the holy Qur'an Chapter 4: Vrs. 74 said " Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah whether he is slain or gets victory soon shall We give him a reward of great (value). "
My beloved friend , fighting in the cause of Allah is not that we carry, weapons to arm, maim, or even kill our selves, what it means is that, you use all what you have to strive to the cause of Allah; your money(wealth), health, position .e.t.c., anything you can do, to the cause of Allah, excluding killing, and the likes. Now you as a human being if your child, or whoever does what you say, or ordered, won't you reward such person?, so this brought about the reward you saw there

In the absence of thoughtful correspondence from our usually virile and vocal Muslim devotees. I shall proceed to re-count my findings,

Shahid is a religious term in Islam, meaning "witness", but often the term "martyr." is assumed and it is a title for Muslims who have died fulfilling a religious commandment, or waging war for Islam.

The concept of martyrdom in Islam is linked with the entire religion of Islam. It is assumed (by unbelievers such as me) that the Arabic root salama, which means 'surrender' and 'peace', Islam is a wholesome and peaceful submission to the will of Allah. It means that one must prepared to die (martyrdom) in the course of this submission. It is a concept that can only be fully appreciated by one who is a devout muslim and has submitted fully to the will of Allah

The shahid is promised a place in paradise according to the Koran:

Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; They rejoice in the bounty provided by Allah. And with regard to those left behind, who have not yet joined them (in their bliss), the (martyr's) glory in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they (cause to) grieve.
Koran, 3:169–170


Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise): they fight in His Cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in Truth, through the Torah, the Gospel, and the Koran: and who is more faithful to his Covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme. „
Koran, 9:111

I am not an expert in deciphering hidden meanings and metaphors in grammar but the above (I believe) is straight-forward, devoid of fable and lore. it is a simple declaration of assurance and rewards that await a devotee martyred in the course of fighting a holy war. (Jihad)

There is a difference between a suicide bombing and being martyred [/b]in the course of a Holy War.

But let there be amongst you traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill yourselves: for verily God hath been to you Most Merciful!
If any do that in rancour and injustice,- soon shall We cast them into the Fire: And easy it is for God.
[b]Koran 4:29 – 4:30


Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 445:
Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, “A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him.”



Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 73:
Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak: ”And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection.


So where is this very fertile instruction coming from? . Let us explore further the Gharib Hadiths (strange, scarce, weak or forged hadiths)

Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2562:
The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: “The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah (a Damascus suburb) to Sana’a (Yemen)“


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The Prophet (PBUH) said, “Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah’s Cause).” Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:53[/color]

It is clear even to the "child" in Islam that suicide is discernible from martyrdom and that suicide is abhorred by the Holy Koran.

The Gharib Hadiths is considered weak because it has no Sanad - line or sequence of narration. This Hadith has a technical weaknesses in its chain of transmitters and is therefore not considered impeccable. Muslims are not required to believe in it.

The propagation of the 7 or 72 virgins as rewards for suicide bombing or martyrdom is a false teaching every muslim must discern and avoid because it makes mockery of the religion and its practitioners. to the point that anytime once hears of a suicide bombing, the next thing that easily comes to mind is all the virgins the bomber will have reveling intimacy with.

Hey, what more do you expect Muslims to say? You have rightly summed it up.

One of the biggest Israeli propaganda myths is the invention of 72 virgins as a Muslim reward for suicide. This has been repeated to the western world so often that most people accept it as fact. The media wants us to believe that there cannot be anything wrong with Israelis – who must be seen as eternal victims – to cause anyone to commit suicide as a means of striking back at them. Heavens no!
The motivation for suicide bombings in Israel has nothing to do with Jewish treatment of Palestinians. Instead it has to do with the evilness of the Palestinians and their religious beliefs. This is the “bill of goods” they sell the western mind while at the same time faking most, if not all, the “Islamic suicide bombings” to blame on Muslims.
It is a sick and despicable mind that feels that it has a right to attack, steal, murder and cause harm to others, but if the others dare fight back they are wrong and therefore terrorists. This one sentence describes Israeli thinking and their policies. They believe they are superior and entitled and they have a right to do anything to other people and those people better not retaliate. As a result, the Israelis have done more by way of propaganda to take the legitimate fight of those who are against their wrongs and demonize them. We now have this ongoing enormous propaganda campaign to make Palestinians and anyone belonging to the same religion as Palestinians, to be seen as mindless terrorists and suicide bombers with no cause other than to do evil. And, of course, vicariously receiving 72 virgins as a reward in paradise for committing suicide to kill a few Israelis.
The Qur’an and valid authentic Hadiths are very clear about what happens to anyone who commits suicide. According to Hadiths:
Committing Suicide is a Major Sin:
Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 445: Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, “A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him.”
Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 73: Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak: ”And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection.
There are many more Hadiths condemning suicide but I would also like to reference the Qur’an. Amongst the many verses against suicide here is one that makes it very clear that the taking of one’s life is strongly prohibited and that there is no reward for anyone who does that.
But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily God hath been to you Most Merciful! If any do that in rancour and injustice,- soon shall We cast them into the Fire: And easy it is for God. Qur’an 4:29 – 4:30
So where did the reward of 72 virgins in paradise for suicide come from? Are there any Islamic teachings we can point to endorsing that?
When we look at the highest authority in Islam, the Quran, we find nothing in it endorsing rewards for suicide. Instead we find the strongest condemnation with severe punishments for those who commit suicide. When we look at Hadiths, which after the Quran is second in authority in Islam, we find nothing in the authentic Bukhari and Muslim Hadiths endorsing suicide. Instead we find strong condemnation for it.
Searching what Muslims refer to as Gharib Hadiths (weak or strange Hadiths) we do find something about 72 wives but not virgins. The Hadith we find is the following:
Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2562 says:
The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: “The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana’a [Yemen]”
This is as a weak Hadith that has no Sanad — line or sequence of narration. Although listed in an authoritative collection, this particular Hadith has technical weaknesses in its chain of transmitters and is therefore not considered impeccable. As a result, Muslims are not required to believe in it. Even if the Hadith was true, there is nothing about it that says that if someone commits suicide they would get 72 virgins in paradise.
Muslims know that the description of paradise or heaven in Hadiths and Quran is allegorical. If not, then Allah would have allowed us to take our bodies with us when we die. But the vehicle by which we could enjoy the physical things (especially 72 virgins ) mentioned as being in heaven, is left behind here in this world to rot and decay away. So we know for a fact that for heavenly rewards, physical things of this world are used to describe things totally non-physical. A Hadith to keep in mind is as follows:
The Prophet said, “Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah’s Cause).” (Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:53)
I am sure that 72 physical virgins are a small part of the whole world to be given to someone who has experienced paradise to come back to. Yet the prophet (saaw) has said NOBODY who experiences paradise would want to come back to this world even for everything this world has to offer. If a man was getting 72 physical virgins in heaven, then surely he would get more than that from the world and would be enticed to come back.
On the other hand, martyrdom in war for an Islamic cause is praised extensively as in the above Hadith. The Quran teaches (3:169):
“Do not consider those killed [while engaging] in God’s cause dead. Rather, they live with their Lord, who sustains them!”
The Quranic idiom, “killed while engaging in God’s cause” is a reference to martyrdom for acting on being a Muslim, whether as a persecuted and powerless individual or as a warrior fighting in defense of Islam, country, justice, freedom and peace. A Hadith in Sunan al-Tirmidhi states that in contrast to the suicide, the martyr does not even feel the pain of his death (Fada’il al-Jihad, 26:1663). He is also forgiven all his sins and has the right to intercede on behalf of his own family to enter Heaven. So, suicide is forbidden, killing of noncombatants is forbidden, but martyrdom is rewarded with entrance into heaven and, therefore, with great material rewards in the world to come.
What I wrote about Islam’s position on suicide is not secret, esoteric knowledge. It is common knowledge well known and can easily be discerned by anyone doing a very elementary study of the religion. Yet what we have today is the knee jerk, unconscious association of the religion of Islam with suicide bombings. Even to the point where claims of getting 72 virgins are an Islamic prize offered for suicide. This is a cruel and ugly lie about Islam that has been so widely perpetuated that it is accepted as fact. Corrections to the association of Islam with suicide and the killing of innocents are not made in the media. Instead it is glued even tighter by reporting that NOT a person disobeying Islam, but a Muslim imbued with Islamic religious fervor committed a suicide.
We have a media that is too eager to enlighten and spread the word about crazy Muslims killing themselves for 72 virgins. We read and hear everyday about suicide bombers in Iraq killing themselves and other Iraqis with them. We are to believe that a religion that strongly condemns suicide, promises severe punishment in hell for those who commit it and has never had a strategy of using suicide to fight wars until recent contact with Israelis — somehow has spawned the most suicide killers on earth. I don’t believe for a minute that the reports about suicide killings in Iraq are true. Many independent journalists and eye witnesses have reported how Mossad and US occupational forces have staged incidents to make them appear to be Iraqi suicide killings. In fact there are many cases where the perpetrators have been caught.
Oddly enough in this saga about suicide killings we read the following headlines from Israeli newspapers: “Fewer officers to be armed as suicide becomes IDF’s top killer!!!” which you can read more about at the following links:

There is no promise of 72 virgins for martyrs, terrorists or suicide bombers anywhere in the Quran.
The section many people claim promises this is Chapter (78) sūrat l-naba (The Great News). The controversy is due to the poor translation of ONE verse from verses 29 to 34.

The translation by Moshin
And all things We have recorded in a Book. (29)
So taste you (the results of your evil actions); No increase shall We give you, except in torment. (30)
Verily, for the Muttaqûn[], there will be a success (Paradise); (31)
Gardens and vineyards, (32)
And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age, (33)
And a full cup (of wine). (34)

The translation by Yusuf Ali
And all things have We preserved on record. (29)
"So taste ye (the fruits of your deeds); for no increase shall We grant you, except in Punishment." (30)
Verily for the righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the Heart's) desires; (31)
Gardens enclosed, and Grape-vines; (32)
Companions of Equal Age; (33)
And a Cup full (to the Brim). (34)
We see from these 2 translations that the verse that causes all the problems is verse 33.

So how can some translators get it so wrong! Well the answer is simple. Many translators of the Quran from Arabic to other languages have used the Hadith and other sources to help in completing the translations. You therefore find many translations that use stories from the Hadith to elaborate the actual Quran translations. This is clearly the case with this verse in Mohsins and many other English and other language translations.
It is therefore essential to check any controversial verse translation such as this with a true word for word translation of the actual Arabic Quran. It is clear from the true word for word translation of this verse that no such promise of 72 or even 1
virgin exists in the Quran.