her seed

it shall bruise thy head,

Hier:
How to know the true religion

You know the true religion by the power it has over other religion in spiritual things without using cohesion

hopefulLandlord:


let's assume this is true, just for discussion's sake

Before Christianity, there was Judaism, right?

let's look at OT

at that point there was coercion, anyone that worships other gods is fair game, they can be killed for daring it anyone that as much murmurs or doesn't carry out Yahweh's instruction like he told him to is sent to death, it was "You have to worship me, obey me or I'm gonna kill you/make your life miserable/kill your kids" or something similar

my question now is, since Judaism used coercion (same as Islam does now) back then, does that mean Judaism was wrong then too?

hopefulLandlord:


let's assume this is true, just for discussion's sake

Before Christianity, there was Judaism, right?

let's look at OT

at that point there was coercion, anyone that worships other gods is fair game, they can be killed for daring it anyone that as much murmurs or doesn't carry out Yahweh's instruction like he told him to is sent to death, it was "You have to worship me, obey me or I'm gonna kill you/make your life miserable/kill your kids" pu something similar

my question now is, since Judaism used coercion (same as Islam does now) back then, does that mean Judaism was wrong then too?

Hier:


First of all, Islam's coercion from my write up is from the angle of "to others outside their religion" for instance the recent visit to Turkey by Remi that shows it was once populated by the Christians now shows 99 percent Islam, they never preached a sermon and so much as that converted.

Now, Jesus never used coercion, so if Mohammed came after, he shouldn't.

About Judaism, the coercion was within Judaism. The reason was because, the natural man loves plea
sure, so God had to put some check and balance in place, so that even if the entire population wants to engage in idol worship, there is a reverence, so they curtail themselves. Its like passing a law not to drive on BRT and there are no enforcement of that law. It won't work.

My opinion is, God sought to save the world through the Israelite, so He raised them and groomed them for that, and if there is a form of impediment to God's plan to save the world, He simply eliminate that hindrance to His will.

I believe I answered right

The coercion was to those within the elected race, though, it could have been general than specific, but the purpose of everything in the old testament was to ensure the coming of Jesus, and change started with Jesus

HCpaul:
Stop pushing things...... I stopped taking life serious when I read a book. The book affirm that the universe is made up of stories not atoms, created by ideas and not by any myths or deities.

These stories are of two major types:

1. Stories that touches

2. Stories that works.

Religions are stories that touches and that is why it targets human emotions and not their mind knowing that when humans are emotionally captured they cannot be mentally vibrant.

Science on the other hand are stories that works and that is why we are having all manner of scientific lyrics and philosophical tales yet these stories works. That is what Stephen Hawkins was referring to when he said that science will win because it works.

These stories has digressed from being one of those lenses and dimensions of reality but has become reality themselves.

Some months back, I thought that it was only God that is homocentric but I have gotten to realize now that humans are.

Religious people portrayed God in the image of mankind...... Scientists are also victims because they also portrayed intelligent aliens with this same image of mankind.

I am beginning to love religion but I hate and detest the bigots behind it. I dislike people that take religion to head. It's obvious that true religion are born out of ancient traditions and ideology but some ignorant minds of the twenty-first century still take religion to head. people with no significant impact want to live forever.

By the way

hopefulLandlord:

I'm afraid you haven't but I see where you're getting it wrong

you're using a priori argument, using the basis of your religion to rule out another religion

just like the analogy Wilgrea7 used the other day, its like trying to fund out the best animal among monkey, goat, lion, and fish by telling them to climb a tree, of course only the monkey would win

0temAtum:
HopefulLandlord, the thief on the left has been asking you for a debate since. Why choose to ignore the thief on the left nah?

Hier:


Please go deeper on the bolded. Thanks

DOCTUFOS: Aworawo 14: 6-21
6. Now about two years ago, when my father came again, the foreigners got hold of him and kept him in chains. And when I saw him, I said, you deserve to be chained, for you are an unbeliever.
7. And you are an enemy of Allah, therefore you do not deserve to live.
8. Now while we spoke, Salami my elder brother took a knife and pushed it into the belly of our father, saying, as long as you do not accept Alla, that is your portion. For the book have told us to fight the fight of Jihad.
9. Now when the foreigners saw this, they lifted him over their shoulders and sang great songs of praise for him. And he was very glad about it. And I was displeased, but I could not speak in the presence of the people, for they shall take me for an enemy of Allah.
10. Now while I slept, I felt the presence of my dead father. For I smelled him. And when I awoke from my dream, I felt guilty. And I began to lose my love for that religion.
11. And I sought how I shall take Asimi away and flee the presence of the foreigners. And while I was thinking of this, one named Abdfata took Asimi by force and slept with her. And Asimi cried to me.
12. And I raised my voice among them, saying, this thing is wrong. For how can Abdfata rape my sister? And they read the book to me, saying, when a girl is raped, let her be silent. And I said, this is a mad law. For when you told me of this religion, you did not reveal this evil part of the book to me.
13. Now they commanded Ozovehe my elder brother to take hold of me and throw me in the prison, because I have blasphemed Alla and dishonored Morhamid who wrote the law. And he did so, for he was closer to them than to me. And he had even told Asimi to keep quiet when she reported the deed to him, saying, I know about it from the beginning.
14. For he has paid to me your price. And I was he who advised him, saying, I know my sister that she shall not accept to be your wife, therefore ra*pe her and she shall be yours.
15. Now when I was in prison, it was granted that Asimi should pay me visits. And she came often to see me in the prison, but Ozovehe did not come at all.
16. Now Karim, the foreigner who was given to take charge of the prison began to love Asimi my sister. And Asimi said, I shall use him to set you free my brother. For I shall use love to collect the key of the prison from him.
17. And I said, what about Abdfata your husband who was forced on you? Shall he not be angry with you if he sees you with Karim? And she said, I shall be careful.
18. And Karim had a horse which Asimi had acquainted herself with when she played love with him. And the horse was white and neat. And Asimi said, brother, tomorrow I shall give Karimu my last love and take his horse away with you.
19. And so it happened as she has said. For while she played love with Karimu, he slept. And she took the key of the prison from him and opened the door for me so that we might flee. And she sat on the horse and gave me a hand. And she said to me, you shall ride the horse, for you can ride faster than me.
20. Now while I rode the horse, Ozovehe saw us. And he raised alarm. And they chased us with many horses. And Ozovehe himself led them.
21. And he shot the roki from the bazak. And the sharp metallic object entered the neck of Asimi such that she fell backward and broke her neck. And she died. And I continued to ride the horse until I had reached the mouth of the river called Okune. And I jumped into the river and swam away.
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0temAtum:
HopefulLandlord, the thief on the left has been asking you for a debate since. Why choose to ignore the thief on the left nah?

hopefulLandlord:


hehehe, you and your backhanded comments

hopefulLandlord:
Hier, in your reply, you seem to agree that Judaism was right despite the fact that there is coercion

doesn't that contradict your first post in question? if a religion like Judaism can be right (in those days) despite coercion, why then are you ruling out all religion now that use coercion, doesn't that reek of inconsistency?

butterflylion:


And who are you referring to as a thief ogbeni tunde?

0temAtum:

Remember him in your paradise
His hands are itching to post his unending Memes, but you ain't giving him chance to do that. Behold, the thief is at the corner, debate him, says the lord of host

Hier:


I said, it was specific and God needed a seed from the house of Abraham, Abraham might have taken a covenant that his children would not depart from God. This was to ensure the fulfillment of the prophecy in Gen3:15.

God sure used coercion because they saw and knew with countless proof that it pays to serve God, but they decided to be slaves to their flesh, as in, they delight in pleasures of sins, than to worship God. So, in other to prevent such act from spreading among them. God takes them out. I don't see it as coercion so to say, its rather judgement, now that the prophecy is fulfilled. God has accomplished what He intended.

The truth is, if God doesn't take those steps specifically on the Israelite, they might have given yield to pleasure of sin and that might impede the coming of Jesus. It was not enough that Jesus should come, but He must come at a time when, those who are alive would carry on His task and continue His work.

0temAtum:
kikikikiki, baba Raphael Akachukwu Ekwueme, from multi-scammer to pig-rearer, lol. Reminds me of the prodigal son

hopefulLandlord:


my point here is very simple and I'll summarise it

"If Judaism can be true at some point despite

Hier, in your reply, you seem to agree that Judaism was right despite the fact that there is coercion

doesn't that contradict your first post in question? if a religion like Judaism can be right (in those days) despite coercion, why then are you ruling out all religion now that use coercion, doesn't that reek of inconsistency?

Butterflylion:

Chai madness no get respect o cheesy

How all that one take concern me? grin

Leave that hopeless wimp to speak for himself. Forming voltron for am is lower than low.

Swerve joor grin

0temAtum:

butterflylion:




Who be Samuel?

Madness don suck the little sense wey you get remain I swear down.

Leave hopeless wimp aka hopefullandlord to speak for himself.

People no dey use chewing stick form voltron