thesicilian:
If you are already aware of the punishment for a crime before you still go ahead to commit it, on what basis then would you argue that the punishment is unfair?

gdguy:
Hell is originally designed for Devil and his angels (called demons) who rebelled against God. Hell is a punishment for sins. Because of the severity of the punishment of Hell, and the great love that God has for mankind, that is why he suffered the pain of sending his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, into the world to reconcile man to himself and save all mankind from the punishment of Hell. All we only need to do is believe that Jesus has paid for our sins and turned away from evils. Through this, our sins will be forgiven and we can now begin to live a new life in Christ. The grace of God that makes it difficult to go back to sin will be released upon us and we can continue to enjoy fellowship with Christ till death or His Second Coming, whichever comes first. God knows the horror of Hell; that is why when Jesus, at His hour of death, sought God to change His plan for Him( Jesus) to face the death of the cross; God turned down His request. Yes, God is merciful but His love is above his mercy. If God could bear the pain of His only Son suffer the agony of crucifixion; then my brothers, He could as well bear the pain of agony of sinners in Hell who refused to repent and be converted while on the earth, despite several chances to do so.

sukkot:
that hell will be smelling like suya. lots of roasted meat. maybe angel gabriel will just throw onion and tomato and suya pepper in their to make it all exiciting and yummy

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ITS ALL ALLEGORY

Rilwayne001:


LWKMD

thesicilian:
If you are already aware of the punishment for a crime before you still go ahead to commit it, on what basis then would you argue that the punishment is unfair?

monchazfarms:
In God's sight,all sins are equal.

hopefulLandlord:
Hell always sounded like a cynical marketing ploy designed to make people afraid to leave or displease the particular sect. And it seemed to really kill empathy - 'god says they burn, they burn' doesn't make me think of someone being full of love and compassion and all that.

Eternal punishment for finite transgressions always seemed abusive to me. How can someone look at the idea of a being who would condemn people to that and call it love?

Even when I was a Christian Hell was just too weird for me to accept. Infinite punishment for finite offenses is an eye for an eye on steroids. Punishing people for disobeying nit-picky rules makes God an abusive parent. One reason often given for punishment is to teach the offender not to offend again, but if punishment is eternal then how can the offender benefit from this teaching? Jesus is supposed to be into forgiveness but forgiveness shouldn't involve eternal suffering. Hell isn’t redemptive, it isn’t leading to repentance, it’s simply pain for pain’s sake.

I love this quote: “Heaven and hell seem out of proportion to me: the actions of men do not deserve so much.”

and of course I get the rationalisation of hell by Christians saying its moral accountability and saying bad people go to hell;
that's nonsense and they know it!!!

If Yahweh is real and omniscient, that means he already decided that we're going to hell before he even created us. But if this omniscient deity allows for deathbed conversions, then it doesn't matter what kind of life you lead. You could be a brutal dictator who massacred tens of millions of people, yet still get into heaven if you tell Jesus you're sorry. Your victims could all go to hell for eternity if they never repented. That's how bleeped up Christian morality is.

Maybe Christians can answer a few questions for me. The Bible says that there is ONLY ONE way to get into Heaven: by accepting salvation through Jesus.

So it follows that the Christians who ran the Nazi death camps can get into heaven. But their 6 million Jewish victims must burn for all eternity in the pits of Hell. I've talked to many Christians about this and they just pretty much accept it.

My questions are:

1. How f***ed up do you have to be to believe Nazis can go to Heaven but their 6 million Jewish victims must burn? That's just sick. But Christians believe it. What the f*** is wrong with you people?

2. Why would ANYONE willingly worship a god that would act like that? Is it just a fear thing (better known as cowardice)? And

3. Even if you get into Heaven what makes you think you'll be safe with a psycho god like that running the place? What's to stop your god getting a wild hair up his ass one day and sending Christians to a place so bad it makes Hell look like an ice cream parlor? He used to like the Jews too. Or so the story claims. What makes you think you're safe?

thesicilian:
If you are already aware of the punishment for a crime before you still go ahead to commit it, on what basis then would you argue that the punishment is unfair?

hopefulLandlord:
Hell always sounded like a cynical marketing ploy designed to make people afraid to leave or displease the particular sect. And it seemed to really kill empathy - 'god says they burn, they burn' doesn't make me think of someone being full of love and compassion and all that.

Eternal punishment for finite transgressions always seemed abusive to me. How can someone look at the idea of a being who would condemn people to that and call it love?

Even when I was a Christian Hell was just too weird for me to accept. Infinite punishment for finite offenses is an eye for an eye on steroids. Punishing people for disobeying nit-picky rules makes God an abusive parent. One reason often given for punishment is to teach the offender not to offend again, but if punishment is eternal then how can the offender benefit from this teaching? Jesus is supposed to be into forgiveness but forgiveness shouldn't involve eternal suffering. Hell isn’t redemptive, it isn’t leading to repentance, it’s simply pain for pain’s sake.

I love this quote: “Heaven and hell seem out of proportion to me: the actions of men do not deserve so much.”

and of course I get the rationalisation of hell by Christians saying its moral accountability and saying bad people go to hell;
that's nonsense and they know it!!!

If Yahweh is real and omniscient, that means he already decided that we're going to hell before he even created us. But if this omniscient deity allows for deathbed conversions, then it doesn't matter what kind of life you lead. You could be a brutal dictator who massacred tens of millions of people, yet still get into heaven if you tell Jesus you're sorry. Your victims could all go to hell for eternity if they never repented. That's how bleeped up Christian morality is.

Maybe Christians can answer a few questions for me. The Bible says that there is ONLY ONE way to get into Heaven: by accepting salvation through Jesus.

So it follows that the Christians who ran the Nazi death camps can get into heaven. But their 6 million Jewish victims must burn for all eternity in the pits of Hell. I've talked to many Christians about this and they just pretty much accept it.

My questions are:

1. How f***ed up do you have to be to believe Nazis can go to Heaven but their 6 million Jewish victims must burn? That's just sick. But Christians believe it. What the f*** is wrong with you people?

2. Why would ANYONE willingly worship a god that would act like that? Is it just a fear thing (better known as cowardice)? And

3. Even if you get into Heaven what makes you think you'll be safe with a psycho god like that running the place? What's to stop your god getting a wild hair up his ass one day and sending Christians to a place so bad it makes Hell look like an ice cream parlor? He used to like the Jews too. Or so the story claims. What makes you think you're safe?

sukkot:
that hell will be smelling like suya. lots of roasted meat. maybe angel gabriel will just throw onion and tomato and suya pepper in their to make it all exiciting and yummy

www.nairaland.com/attachments/5907389_58548374744379c0b3cd3c421042dc8ea192550a6d1f561478000000d90905cbe8tmpjpeg682b3be36e3891ad46fa8e298b0932f1jpeg0f8092d72a4b4bd04802e23c2db9109e_jpeg3ad7acc05d357e2313fe9ecb6c29ad85
ITS ALL ALLEGORY

Rilwayne001:


LWKMD

1Sharon:


You don't expect god to eat it's meat raw do you?

Teempakguy:


1. The point of punishment is to reform behavior. Any other kind of punishment is unfair because it benefits no one, both the punisher and the punished.

2. The punishment is only meted out to those who die while committing them, making it possible to escape punishment after years of committing the crime, and you could get this punishment by committing the crime once! this is unfair.

3. the person who is punishing people has been documented committing/abetting these crimes, this is unfair.

4. it is possible to commit these crimes without knowing the punishment and in fact, at sweeping majority of the people to be punished never knew anything. this is unfair.

5. the existence of this punishment has done nothing to reduce the crime being committed. this is unfair.

in fact, it is a waste of time, especially when it lasts forever in which case it's a colossal waste of time.

I could go on and on, but this should be enough for a logical mind.

sukkot:

nah the meat has to be fully cooked. YAH likes his meat very well done. refined and purified in the furnace of affliction

tete7000:



You are simply a stupid person who needs no further reply. Stupidly foolish, ignorant, blind and brainwashed. What do you know about the subject matter? Nothing, but your idiotic pride won't let you be helped. Can you please stay off me? Nonsense!

1Sharon:

milkymesh:
When a person commits a crime, the punishment is based upon both the severity of the crime and the person whom the crime is against.


I know that because God is just, people will suffer according to there deeds, and some will suffer longer than others. But how can you say that a just God would allow me who who stole a goat suffer the same fate as Boko Haram's Shakau who is responsible for thousands deaths?
Why should I suffer eternally for a sin I probably committed for a few weeks or years?
And how can a just God cause men to suffer torture FOREVER?
Will HE in His mercies shut his heart against those who in agony have been crying for thousands of years in hellfire asking for mercy and forgiveness??

The picture of God painted thought the doctrine of hellfire seems to contradict the merciful and loving God taught in the bible.

WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?

ysyowel:
the greatest sin one can commite is to reject Jesus as Saviour, he who believe in the son has life he who does'nt believe in him has no life and he is condemn alrealdy.

twosquare:
Hell is not forever, neither is it for eternity. (Rev 20:14)

Rapture4real:

I won't argue with you but you didn't finish your theology.Hell and death will be cast into lake of fire and the lake of fire burns forever and ever with people who are not born again Rev.20:15.We only quote scripture to favour us and do away with the ones we don't like.Hell is even a temporary detention where souls that die without be born again will await the White throne judgement while lack of fire burning with sulphur is the final destination of all the wicked and people who are not born again in Christ Jesus

Rapture4real:

I won't argue with you but you didn't finish your theology. Hell and death will be cast into lake of fire and the lake of fire burns forever and ever with people who are not born again Rev.20:15.We only quote scripture to favour us and do away with the ones we don't like.Hell is even a temporary detention where souls that die without be born again will await the White throne judgement while lack of fire burning with sulphur is the final destination of all the wicked and people who are not born again in Christ Jesus

sukkot:
that hell will be smelling like suya. lots of roasted meat. maybe angel gabriel will just throw onion and tomato and suya pepper in their to make it all exiciting and yummy

www.nairaland.com/attachments/5907389_58548374744379c0b3cd3c421042dc8ea192550a6d1f561478000000d90905cbe8tmpjpeg682b3be36e3891ad46fa8e298b0932f1jpeg0f8092d72a4b4bd04802e23c2db9109e_jpeg3ad7acc05d357e2313fe9ecb6c29ad85
ITS ALL ALLEGORY