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Who Has The World's No. 1 Economy? Not The U.S. by timesup234: 2:07am On Oct 19, 2017
BloombergView
CHINA
Who Has the World's No. 1 Economy? Not the U.S.

By the most measures, China has passed the U.S. and is pulling away.
By Noah Smith
October 18, 2017, 6:30 AM EDT

The wear and tear doesn't help. Photographer: kurt Wittman/UIG via Getty Images
What’s the most powerful country in the world? There’s a good case to be made that it’s China.

There are many kinds of power -- diplomatic, cultural, military and economic. So an easier question to ask is: What’s the world’s largest economy? That’s almost certainly China.

Many might protest when hearing this. After all, the U.S. still produces the most when measured at market exchange rates:

But this comparison is misleading, because things cost different amounts in different countries. Gross domestic product is supposed to measure the amount of real stuff -- cars, phones, financial services, back massages, etc. -- that a country produces. If the same phone costs $400 in the U.S. but only $200 in China, China’s GDP is getting undercounted by 50 percent when we measure at market exchange rates. In general, less developed countries have lower prices, which means their GDP gets systematically undercounted.

Economists try to correct for this with an adjustment called purchasing power parity (PPP), which controls for relative prices. It’s not perfect, since it has to account for things like product quality, which can be hard to measure. But it probably gives a more accurate picture of how much a country really produces. And here, China has already surpassed the U.S.:

If you don’t trust the murky PPP adjustments, a simple alternative is just to look at the price of a Big Mac. The same burger costs 1.8 times more in the U.S. than in China. Adjusting the market-exchange-rate GDP numbers by that ratio would put China even farther ahead.

In some dimensions, China’s lead is even larger. The country’s manufacturing output overtook that of the U.S. almost a decade ago. Its exports are more than a third larger as well.

American commentators may be slow to recognize China’s economic supremacy, but the rest of the world is starting to wake up to the fact:

This doesn’t mean China's population is the world’s richest -- far from it. The countries with the highest income per person, in order, are Qatar, Luxembourg, Singapore, Brunei and the United Arab Emirates. But few would argue that Qatar or Luxembourg is the world’s leading economy -- while per-capita numbers are important for the well-being of a nation’s people, they don’t translate into comprehensive national power unless a country also has a large population.

China’s modest per-person income simply means that the country has plenty of room to grow. Whereas developed countries can only get richer by inventing new things or making their economies more efficient, poor countries can cheaply copy foreign technology or imitate foreign organizational practices. That doesn’t always happen, of course -- many poor countries find themselves trapped by dysfunctional institutions, lack of human capital or other barriers to development.

But there’s good reason to think that China will overcome at least some of these obstacles. Economists Randall Morck and Bernard Yeung have a new paper comparing the histories of Japan and South Korea -- both of which climbed out of poverty to achieve rich-country status -- with the recent rise of China. They find that China’s institutions are, broadly speaking, developing along the same path followed by its successful neighbors.

In other words, not only is China already the world’s largest economy, the gap between it and the U.S. can be expected to grow even wider. This continues to be borne out in the growth statistics -- though China has slowed in recent years, its economy continues to expand at a rate of more than 6 percent, while the U.S. is at just over 2 percent. If that disparity persists, China’s economy will be double that of the U.S. in less than two decades.

So economically, China has surpassed the U.S., and is on track to zoom far ahead in the near future. But what about military power? Here, it still looks like the U.S. reigns supreme. It spends more money on its military than China, has a larger nuclear arsenal, and -- thanks to its recent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq -- has a more seasoned fighting force as well.

But that doesn’t mean that the U.S. would win a war, if the two countries fought. A full nuclear exchange, of course, would have no winners. But in a protracted conventional struggle, there’s a good chance that China’s weight of numbers and manufacturing prowess would win out. As an analogy, consider the U.S. and Japan in World War II. At the beginning of the war, Japan’s aircraft carrier force outnumbered that of the U.S., and its navy was far more seasoned (due to Japan’s war in China). But when the war began, the U.S. greatly outproduced its opponent:

Economic Size Made all the Difference

The U.S. also had a 2-to-1 manpower advantage. When two countries of similar technology levels fight, numbers tend to tell. China has a larger GDP, more manufacturing output and four times the population. And as its recent advances in stealth technology, directed energy weapons, hypersonic missiles and other areas demonstrate, its military technology isn’t that far behind the U.S. In a drawn-out war, once the mighty Chinese steamroller got moving, it would be unstoppable.

In other words, China is now in a position similar to that of the U.S. at about the turn of the 20th century -- a formidable superpower that just hasn’t yet felt any reason to exercise its dominance. Once the U.S. woke up to the need to throw its weight around, no one doubted its primacy.

China may never make the same decision. It may choose to remain restrained on the international stage, with a modest nuclear arsenal and a light footprint in global institutions. If so, its dominance will remain a lurking, looming potentiality instead of a real and present fact of life.

But I wouldn't count on that

www.bloomberg.com/amp/view/articles/2017-10-18/who-has-the-world-s-no-1-economy-not-the-u-s
Re: Who Has The World's No. 1 Economy? Not The U.S. by Lamide123: 5:05am On Oct 19, 2017
noted

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Re: Who Has The World's No. 1 Economy? Not The U.S. by Knaruto(m): 2:10pm On Oct 19, 2017
timesup234:
BloombergView
CHINA
Who Has the World's No. 1 Economy? Not the U.S.

By the most measures, China has passed the U.S. and is pulling away.
By Noah Smith
October 18, 2017, 6:30 AM EDT

The wear and tear doesn't help. Photographer: kurt Wittman/UIG via Getty Images
What’s the most powerful country in the world? There’s a good case to be made that it’s China.

There are many kinds of power -- diplomatic, cultural, military and economic. So an easier question to ask is: What’s the world’s largest economy? That’s almost certainly China.

Many might protest when hearing this. After all, the U.S. still produces the most when measured at market exchange rates:

But this comparison is misleading, because things cost different amounts in different countries. Gross domestic product is supposed to measure the amount of real stuff -- cars, phones, financial services, back massages, etc. -- that a country produces. If the same phone costs $400 in the U.S. but only $200 in China, China’s GDP is getting undercounted by 50 percent when we measure at market exchange rates. In general, less developed countries have lower prices, which means their GDP gets systematically undercounted.

Economists try to correct for this with an adjustment called purchasing power parity (PPP), which controls for relative prices. It’s not perfect, since it has to account for things like product quality, which can be hard to measure. But it probably gives a more accurate picture of how much a country really produces. And here, China has already surpassed the U.S.:

If you don’t trust the murky PPP adjustments, a simple alternative is just to look at the price of a Big Mac. The same burger costs 1.8 times more in the U.S. than in China. Adjusting the market-exchange-rate GDP numbers by that ratio would put China even farther ahead.

In some dimensions, China’s lead is even larger. The country’s manufacturing output overtook that of the U.S. almost a decade ago. Its exports are more than a third larger as well.

American commentators may be slow to recognize China’s economic supremacy, but the rest of the world is starting to wake up to the fact:

This doesn’t mean China's population is the world’s richest -- far from it. The countries with the highest income per person, in order, are Qatar, Luxembourg, Singapore, Brunei and the United Arab Emirates. But few would argue that Qatar or Luxembourg is the world’s leading economy -- while per-capita numbers are important for the well-being of a nation’s people, they don’t translate into comprehensive national power unless a country also has a large population.

China’s modest per-person income simply means that the country has plenty of room to grow. Whereas developed countries can only get richer by inventing new things or making their economies more efficient, poor countries can cheaply copy foreign technology or imitate foreign organizational practices. That doesn’t always happen, of course -- many poor countries find themselves trapped by dysfunctional institutions, lack of human capital or other barriers to development.

But there’s good reason to think that China will overcome at least some of these obstacles. Economists Randall Morck and Bernard Yeung have a new paper comparing the histories of Japan and South Korea -- both of which climbed out of poverty to achieve rich-country status -- with the recent rise of China. They find that China’s institutions are, broadly speaking, developing along the same path followed by its successful neighbors.

In other words, not only is China already the world’s largest economy, the gap between it and the U.S. can be expected to grow even wider. This continues to be borne out in the growth statistics -- though China has slowed in recent years, its economy continues to expand at a rate of more than 6 percent, while the U.S. is at just over 2 percent. If that disparity persists, China’s economy will be double that of the U.S. in less than two decades.

So economically, China has surpassed the U.S., and is on track to zoom far ahead in the near future. But what about military power? Here, it still looks like the U.S. reigns supreme. It spends more money on its military than China, has a larger nuclear arsenal, and -- thanks to its recent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq -- has a more seasoned fighting force as well.

But that doesn’t mean that the U.S. would win a war, if the two countries fought. A full nuclear exchange, of course, would have no winners. But in a protracted conventional struggle, there’s a good chance that China’s weight of numbers and manufacturing prowess would win out. As an analogy, consider the U.S. and Japan in World War II. At the beginning of the war, Japan’s aircraft carrier force outnumbered that of the U.S., and its navy was far more seasoned (due to Japan’s war in China). But when the war began, the U.S. greatly outproduced its opponent:

Economic Size Made all the Difference

The U.S. also had a 2-to-1 manpower advantage. When two countries of similar technology levels fight, numbers tend to tell. China has a larger GDP, more manufacturing output and four times the population. And as its recent advances in stealth technology, directed energy weapons, hypersonic missiles and other areas demonstrate, its military technology isn’t that far behind the U.S. In a drawn-out war, once the mighty Chinese steamroller got moving, it would be unstoppable.

In other words, China is now in a position similar to that of the U.S. at about the turn of the 20th century -- a formidable superpower that just hasn’t yet felt any reason to exercise its dominance. Once the U.S. woke up to the need to throw its weight around, no one doubted its primacy.

China may never make the same decision. It may choose to remain restrained on the international stage, with a modest nuclear arsenal and a light footprint in global institutions. If so, its dominance will remain a lurking, looming potentiality instead of a real and present fact of life.

But I wouldn't count on that

www.bloomberg.com/amp/view/articles/2017-10-18/who-has-the-world-s-no-1-economy-not-the-u-s
THE GDP (PPP) is a flawed model for measuring the total economy...The US remains the largest Economy in the world
Re: Who Has The World's No. 1 Economy? Not The U.S. by timesup234: 2:43pm On Oct 19, 2017
Knaruto:
THE GDP (PPP) is a flawed model for measuring the total economy...The US remains the largest Economy in the world
assuming that every country should use the dollar is imperialism at th highest stage. Nominal GDP that places america as the largest economy is actually the flawed model of calculating the economic might of a nation.
Re: Who Has The World's No. 1 Economy? Not The U.S. by Knaruto(m): 2:38am On Oct 20, 2017
timesup234:
assuming that every country should use the dollar is imperialism at th highest stage. Nominal GDP that places america as the largest economy is actually the flawed model of calculating the economic might of a nation.
lol...cmon bro....in global history it has always been that "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" .....so the imperialism stuff is overrated....any country would want to be imperialistic if its got the mojo to do so.....besides the US economy far outweighs that of China...The US has the largest technological base in the world and although China has surpassed it as the largest producer and exporter in the world but American goods possesses more quality and value...The Chinese are thriving on cheap labour which leads to the large manufacture of large goods that are all too often with less quality and these goods have flooded African Asian and Latin American markets...due to the poor purchasing power of these states....they prefer to patronise Chinese goods as they are cheaper...but this is the catch...China is an export driven economy (the nature of the US economy in the 19th and early 20th century)...while the US is a consumer driven economy...American companies make more money in the US than they do outside the country...this is a stage that the Chinese economy has not attained...and that is why its economy is somewhat precarious as it relies so much on export trade...Also although America has a population of about 350million people...they are more viable economically than the Chinese population of 1.3billion due to the possession of high GDP per capita....China has a long way to go..just because they now export more than the Americans in international trade doesn't mean that their economy is larger than the US....broda wetin US take pass China be like from here reach the Mediterranean Sea....oooh lol

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Re: Who Has The World's No. 1 Economy? Not The U.S. by timesup234: 6:44pm On Oct 20, 2017
Knaruto:
lol...cmon bro....in global history it has always been that "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" .....so the imperialism stuff is overrated....any country would want to be imperialistic if its got the mojo to do so.....besides the US economy far outweighs that of China...The US has the largest technological base in the world and although China has surpassed it as the largest producer and exporter in the world but American goods possesses more quality and value...The Chinese are thriving on cheap labour which leads to the large manufacture of large goods that are all too often with less quality and these goods have flooded African Asian and Latin American markets...due to the poor purchasing power of these states....they prefer to patronise Chinese goods as they are cheaper...but this is the catch...China is an export driven economy (the nature of the US economy in the 19th and early 20th century)...while the US is a consumer driven economy...American companies make more money in the US than they do outside the country...this is a stage that the Chinese economy has not attained...and that is why its economy is somewhat precarious as it relies so much on export trade...Also although America has a population of about 350million people...they are more viable economically than the Chinese population of 1.3billion due to the possession of high GDP per capita....China has a long way to go..just because they now export more than the Americans in international trade doesn't mean that their economy is larger than the US....broda wetin US take pass China be like from here reach the Mediterranean Sea....oooh lol
This is the same tired stuff we hear and read from western media. China has since surpass the US. and it makes sense China don't even need to acknowledge. When they finally admit I expect you to start helping them recite. It is such a painful that's while they are all mum on the global GDP PPP data
Re: Who Has The World's No. 1 Economy? Not The U.S. by timesup234: 2:45am On Nov 10, 2017
Re: Who Has The World's No. 1 Economy? Not The U.S. by timesup234: 9:57am On Nov 12, 2017
I now believe in nominal terms it will be in 10 yrs time. America stay at the top was long and also a brutal one for people across the world, China will usher in a new opportunity for equal development for all countries of the world without intimidation and monopoly capitalism

http://tass.com/economy/975162
Re: Who Has The World's No. 1 Economy? Not The U.S. by timesup234: 3:55pm On Nov 17, 2017
While Americans are engaged in mass shooting, China is taking it to another level

https://www.nairaland.com/4175464/china-opens-worlds-coolest-library
Re: Who Has The World's No. 1 Economy? Not The U.S. by rapheeky(m): 6:35pm On Nov 17, 2017
...see as u carry USA matter for head like gala......na wetin dis country de do....u no get work abi?

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Re: Who Has The World's No. 1 Economy? Not The U.S. by timesup234: 7:02pm On Nov 17, 2017
rapheeky:
...see as u carry USA matter for head like gala......na wetin dis country de do....u no get work abi?
same way you carry ball for head like pure water. Everybody must carry something for this world. With over 7billion people in the world we all got our passion.
Re: Who Has The World's No. 1 Economy? Not The U.S. by timesup234: 12:57am On Dec 21, 2017
Re: Who Has The World's No. 1 Economy? Not The U.S. by timesup234: 10:35am On Dec 27, 2017

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