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BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by Codedrock(m): 9:05am On Oct 22, 2017 |
SOURCE: [url=http://www.takemetonaija.com/search/label/HISTORIES%2FCULTURE?&max-results=8]https://www.takemetonaija.com/2017/07/brokin-nigerian-pidgin-history-and.html[/url] |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by MhizzAJ(f): 9:15am On Oct 22, 2017 |
Interesting |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by MhizzAJ(f): 9:15am On Oct 22, 2017 |
interesting |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by genius43(m): 9:21am On Oct 22, 2017 |
Informative. The Nigerian pidgin is also affecting a lot of children in the learning process of the formal English language |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by scholes0(m): 10:14am On Oct 22, 2017 |
Broken Language- Indeed, the name is apt. |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by makimberlly01(f): 11:10am On Oct 22, 2017 |
Hmmmn ... broken indeed |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by mayberry1(f): 11:34am On Oct 22, 2017 |
For record purpose, 'Broken' is different from 'Pidgin'. Broken English has to do with poor use of English language(either spoken or written) the type that the individual struggles to speak fluently and correctly with so much grammatical errors; while Nigerian Pidgin is peculiar to us as a nation more like our Lingua Franca, the speaker doesn't try to speak correct grammar. 1 Like |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by scholes0(m): 12:39pm On Oct 22, 2017 |
mayberry1: So what is pidgin?? Does “Make I come dey go” sound like rich use of English (either spoken or written) with perfect grammatical tenses and lexis? Pidgin= Brokin abeg. 2 Likes |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by RedboneSmith(m): 1:02pm On Oct 22, 2017 |
scholes0: She knows what she is saying. Pidgin actually has structure and all those things. Just that it is widely different from what obtains in Standard English. Broken English is the sort of thing you hear from someone who only knows a few English words trying to speak the language. Like: "Me inside plane, fly." "You pay banana, no." Nigerians use Broken and Pidgin interchangeably though. But, yea, they are different things. 2 Likes |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by scholes0(m): 1:19pm On Oct 22, 2017 |
RedboneSmith: Pidgin has no structure abeg. A creole has a structure but a pidgin does not. That is why Pidgin in Nigeria differs from place to place and is constantly changing and evolving to include new forms and convoluted ways of expressing the same things that already had a previous form. In short, no rules. The way someone in Jos will speak pidgin (structure, grammar and all) might significantly differ from what you may hear in Benin. What makes pidgin not broken English? 2 Likes |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by mayberry1(f): 1:40pm On Oct 22, 2017 |
scholes0:If you read my post well you will see were I stated that in Pidgin English the speaker doesn't try hard to speak correct English, why not argue with facts after you've done a lil bit of research than trying to confuse others. NB: it's Broken and not Brokin |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by scholes0(m): 1:44pm On Oct 22, 2017 |
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Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by RedboneSmith(m): 2:34pm On Oct 22, 2017 |
scholes0: Because Pidgin has variants doesn't mean it has no structure. Which language doesn't have variants. Because it evolves doesn't mean it doesn't have structure. Which language doesn't evolve? A Pidgin only has a simplified structure relative to standard languages. Do you realise that there are linguists who study Pidgin and compile lexicons of Pidgin words and grammar? You cannot study the grammar of pidgins if they do not have structure. The same cannot be said of Broken (which is just the terrible English spoken by people who don't have a mastery of English) because no two people even speak the same broken - two Italian brothers speaking broken English to the same English tourist won't even speak the same way, that's how formless broken is. 2 Likes |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by scholes0(m): 3:08pm On Oct 22, 2017 |
If I give the same text in proper English to three different speakers of pidgin, one in Lagos, one in Sapele and the other in Calabar and ask them to do aome traduction , it would surprise you how different what they come up with would be. The only binding factors between the three translations might end up being just the general Idea. Let’s. Ot mid ourselves here, Pidgin has no fixed grammar or atructure. The partial structure obtainable in pidgin as it were, is largely derived from english just like most of the vocab, and word order (SVO) don’t differ most of the time, with the rest derived from innovations based on the local languages spoken in the local vicinity where the particular version of pidgin is being spoken. I see am - I saw it And I began to sing - As I come dey sing Etc 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by scholes0(m): 3:10pm On Oct 22, 2017 |
Furthermore.... Broken English refers to a poorly spoken or ill-written version of the English language, sometimes considered a pidgin. Under the strictest definition of the term, broken English consists of English vocabulary grafted onto the syntax of a non-English speaker's native language. EXACTLY what pidgin is in Nigeria. 1 Like |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by RedboneSmith(m): 4:10pm On Oct 22, 2017 |
Your example with three Pidgin speakers fails to take one thing into consideration that is common with translations. If I give the same English passage to three Yoruba-speakers to translate, they will give me three different translations. I don't even have to do this with different Yoruba regions and dialects to get a rich variety of translations. Just three speakers and writers of the same dialect will give different results. Does this mean Yoruba has no structure? See the links and screenshots below. Their verdict: Pidgin has a grammatical structure, albeit a simplified one. Broken has no grammatical structure. Although they also include that Pidgin at its worse could be called broken. So Pidgin-Creole-Broken exist in some kind of continuum. But they aren't synonyms. http://www.encyclopedia.com/literature-and-arts/language-linguistics-and-literary-terms/language-and-linguistics/pidgin http://www.encyclopedia.com/literature-and-arts/art-and-architecture/architecture/broken#1O29BROKEN
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Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by gregyboy(m): 4:12pm On Oct 22, 2017 |
lemme add to this pidgin english have structure's fro exp:
make we come dey go=wrong pidgin
make we dey go= correct pidgin lemme be come and be going= wrong pigin lemme be going=correct pidgin |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by Codedrock(m): 4:25pm On Oct 22, 2017 |
mayberry1: Hello.. the thread is about Nigerian pidgin English so its BROKIN not BROKEN... stop tushing everytin up |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by mayberry1(f): 4:32pm On Oct 22, 2017 |
Codedrock: There's no such word as "Brokin", and Broken has nothing to do with Nigerian pidgin English, it's a terminology on it own. Why can't you research before quoting me. Why are most Nigerians fond of baseless arguments devoid of facts. Knowledge is power. 1 Like |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by ewa26: 4:34pm On Oct 22, 2017 |
RedboneSmith:hon tell me to go away and I will but before then I just wanting the opportunity to make you sweet jellofy Ricing ok, d smoky party kind ok |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by ewa26: 4:35pm On Oct 22, 2017 |
Now RedboneSmith you tell me to go away and I will, if not I will keep inquiring about your Jollof Rice preferencing so I will no ow to cook am for you ok |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by Codedrock(m): 4:38pm On Oct 22, 2017 |
mayberry1:Hi.. lady.. you taking this too serious.. I know "brokin english" is not really a thing. and i know broken english is the correct thing.. What i am saying is the article is directed at Nigerians, if you are a Nigerian at all or live in Nigeria you will know it is pronounced "BROKIN" in Nigeria. Please calm down and enjoy the article |
Re: BROKIN; The Nigerian Pidgin History And Origin. by Sinistami(m): 9:20pm On Oct 03, 2018 |
pidgin English and Brokin are two different things and one thing pidgin has been Creolized in the Nigerdelta region as most people from Ages 3 to 40 now speak it as a first Language. Every language (except Itshekiri) has varieties and Dialects and every language evolves. Do you know how English Started. I don't think you'd be able to understand Old English if you read it and don't think its King James English. This is Far worst. |
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