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The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by Sapiosexuality(m): 11:27am On Nov 03, 2017
If heaven is so lovely and good and the Christian is a true believer, and any cessation of his life takes him there, what sense then exists when he celebrates missing it? If this world is full of evil and owned by Satan or the devil, why should we rejoice when we miss an opportunity to leave this place? Is it that we do not really believe what we practise or that we don’t understand it well enough? Is it because we want to gain all that is on this earth before going to heaven? If that is so, wouldn’t that amount to the materialism this faith we profess is calling against? What exactly can be derived from our fear of death? Is it that natural aspect of the being that cannot be overshadowed even by the most powerful knowledge and entity in our world?

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http://www.mortalpoet.com/the-fear-of-death/
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by Sapiosexuality(m): 10:31am On Nov 05, 2017
Thoughts
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by hopefulLandlord: 10:41am On Nov 05, 2017
Why are Christians avoiding this thread?

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Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by Sapiosexuality(m): 11:24am On Nov 05, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
Why are Christians avoiding this thread?
Not just Christians. Even atheists are avoiding it.
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by hopefulLandlord: 11:25am On Nov 05, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
Not just Christians. Even atheists are avoiding it.
what has your OP got to do with us?

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Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by adepeter2027(m): 11:32am On Nov 05, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
what has your OP got to do with us?
Lmao
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by GasAndOilTheory(m): 11:44am On Nov 05, 2017
An experience i had while travling to Auchi from Benin 3 months ago...


Long story short, so i got a bus going to auchi and at the back was a pastor who announced to the other passengers that "we should commit this journey into the hands of GOD".

The other people comply but me being WHO I AM just giggled and continued with playing PES on my phone.
The guy sittin beside me started acting anyhow, i guess he is a staunch christian or must have been the pastor's apprentist. I ignored him.

30 minutes into the journey while the pastor continued to preach about end time and the need to submit to christ because no one knows when death will come, something unexpected happened. We almost had an head on collision with a truck carrying onions.

Quickly, our dear pastor cashed in on the situation. He said "my people praise the lord.This is exactly what the lord revealed to me in a vision last night" that the lord told him nothing will happen. That we have conqured any form of accident

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Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by GasAndOilTheory(m): 12:12pm On Nov 05, 2017
So we continued the trip and his sermon. Most people were tired of his talks but couldn't tell him to please stop maybe because of the fear of being tagged an atheist or unbeliever.

An hour later our vehicle was hit by a stupid never do well man that was over speeding and trying to over take our bus at a bend.It was late before the mad driver realised there was a car fast approaching on the opposite lane. He swerved back to the right lane and before u could say "JACK ROBBINSON SAVE US" our bus sumersulted twice like Obafemi Martins.

I was the second person to jump out through the window, our pastor was the first person. Everybody wan go heaven but nobody wan die.

Till today ehen, it still baffles me no one died in that bus


But please note that the fear of death is instinctive. Pastors will preach about heaven but when the chance to die comes, they run like Usain Bolt. This reminds me of the catholic priest who hid behind the alter while the church members where being killed

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Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by Sapiosexuality(m): 2:48pm On Nov 05, 2017
hopefulLandlord:

what has your OP got to do with us?
Does it really has something to do with the atheist before he responds?
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by hopefulLandlord: 2:49pm On Nov 05, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
Does it really has something to do with the atheist before he responds?

most times yes
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by Sapiosexuality(m): 5:19pm On Nov 05, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


most times yes
So why won't Atheists respond to this? And what do you mean by 'most times, yes?'.
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by hopefulLandlord: 6:00pm On Nov 05, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
So why won't Atheists respond to this? And what do you mean by 'most times, yes?'.

most times we respond when it has something to do with us and sometimes we may grace a thread even when it has nothing to do with us

I'm just helping you bump your thread with my posts here smiley
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by Sapiosexuality(m): 6:59pm On Nov 05, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


most times we respond when it has something to do with us and sometimes we may grace a thread even when it has nothing to do with us

I'm just helping you bump your thread with my posts here smiley
Your use of 'we' is fascinating.
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by Sapiosexuality(m): 7:01pm On Nov 05, 2017
GasAndOilTheory:
So we continued the trip and his sermon. Most people were tired of his talks but couldn't tell him to please stop maybe because of the fear of being tagged an atheist or unbeliever.

An hour later our vehicle was hit by a stupid never do well man that was over speeding and trying to over take our bus at a bend.It was late before the mad driver realised there was a car fast approaching on the opposite lane. He swerved back to the right lane and before u could say "JACK ROBBINSON SAVE US" our bus sumersulted twice like Obafemi Martins.

I was the second person to jump out through the window, our pastor was the first person. Everybody wan go heaven but nobody wan die.

Till today ehen, it still baffles me no one died in that


But please note that the fear of death is instinctive. Pastors will preach about heaven but when the chance to die comes, they run like Usain Bolt. This reminds me of the catholic priest who hid behind the alter while the church members where being killed
Is it instinctive or subject to learning? Look at the suicide bombers. No fear because they received a learning, whether erroneous or not, that saw death as a gateway to something great.
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by Nobody: 8:47pm On Nov 05, 2017
There is nothing after death and the fear most ppl have on it should be eliminated through awareness. But fear of dying is an instinct behavior. It's magnitude may differ from person to person and from time to time. Hormones affect this fear. For example, I was very depressed that my fear of dying was low that I sliced my left neck (I could touch my throats and carotid artery) with out hesitation about 9 months ago.
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by GasAndOilTheory(m): 9:03pm On Nov 05, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
Is it instinctive or subject to learning? Look at the suicide bombers. No fear because they received a learning, whether erroneous or not, that saw death as a gateway to something great.
i still insist that the fear of death is instinctive that's why the sucide bomber goes through a process of "learning not to fear death".
lets use a human being as a case study. When he touches a candle flame, what will make him withdrawl his finger ? Is it that he was taught he should withdrawl his finger or responded to a prompt from within ?
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by spongeisback: 9:07pm On Nov 05, 2017
Seriously! A Christian even threatened me with death this evening grin

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Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by bloodofthelamb(m): 9:15pm On Nov 05, 2017
LISTEN DEATH HAS KNOW RIGHT IN THE LIFE OF A BELIEVER... I CAN'T FEAR SOMETHING DEATH...

IN CHRIST, I HAVE DOMINION OVER DEATH AND NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND.
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by Sapiosexuality(m): 9:29pm On Nov 05, 2017
GasAndOilTheory:
i still insist that the fear of death is instinctive that's why the sucide bomber goes through a process of "learning not to fear death".
lets use a human being as a case study. When he touches a candle flame, what will make him withdrawl his finger ? Is it that he was taught he should withdrawl his finger or responded to a prompt from within ?
What makes him withdraw is the uneasiness resulting from pain and not some fear of death.

Toddlers don't even understand what death is to fear it. They do things that could result in their death until they grow enough to see and learn that life shouldn't be toiled with. They were not born with an innate fear of death.

Today what we call instincts are human constructs. If you know there's a higher place, if you strongly see there's something higher than the current, then your instincts wouldn't antagonise them.
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by GasAndOilTheory(m): 5:12am On Nov 06, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
What makes him withdraw is the uneasiness resulting from pain and not some fear of death.

Toddlers don't even understand what death is to fear it. They do things that could result in their death until they grow enough to see and learn that life shouldn't be toiled with. They were not born with an innate fear of death.

Today what we call instincts are human constructs. If you know there's a higher place, if you strongly see there's something higher than the current, then your instincts wouldn't antagonise them.







1.Uneasiness from too much pain leads to death

1.I never used a toddler as a case study rather human being.

2.I used a sucide bomber to explain a hypothetical scenario.

3.Dear OP do you even know the meaning of instinct ?

4.I believe in science so do a little research on instinct then do a research on death.You'd understand better.
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by Martinez19(m): 9:22am On Nov 06, 2017
The process of dying is scary as Bleep.

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Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by Sapiosexuality(m): 9:26am On Nov 06, 2017
GasAndOilTheory:

1.Uneasiness from too much pain leads to death

1.I never used a toddler as a case study rather human being.

2.I used a sucide bomber to explain a hypothetical scenario.

3.Dear OP do you even know the meaning of instinct ?

4.I believe in science so do a little research on instinct then do a research on death.You'd understand better.
Even lack of pain leads to death. And uneasiness as a result of pain does not translate to the fear of pain. Some fear pain but embrace death. So your first point is not valid.

You didn't use a suicide bomber, it was me who gave the example of a suicide bomber. Even at that, I don't even see how using to explain a hypothetical scenario explains anything.

What research did you do to arrive at that? I am telling you that no matter the research done, a human being who strongly believes he is going to a better place cannot be scared of going to that place.

We've seen it in men seeking for 7 or so virgins in paradise. In people who have lost hope in life and eloped. In people who have transcended in and out of the other dimensions. Give me something strong.
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by Sapiosexuality(m): 9:30am On Nov 06, 2017
Hati13:
There is nothing after death and the fear most ppl have on it should be eliminated through awareness. But fear of dying is an instinct behavior. It's magnitude may differ from person to person and from time to time. Hormones affect this fear. For example, I was very depressed that my fear of dying was low that I sliced my left neck (I could touch my throats and carotid artery) with out hesitation about 9 months ago.
I think it is the fear of harm and pain that is an hormonal. The fear of death was taught and learned. That's why the suicide bomber can be taught to love death.
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by joshnes(m): 12:00pm On Nov 06, 2017
Op, if I get you, you are of the opinion that christians should not be afraid of death? and to that I say a big yes. But this doesn't mean when you have a chance to save yourself from death, you shouldn't, that would amount to foolishness and/or suicide. There are people who counted their lives nothing because of the gospel. Many old apostles who refused to save themselves by denying Christ, died at the stake, were beheaded, killed by wild animals why? because they knew to die (for Christ) "....is gain" (Phil 1:21). But to just die anyhow, it is not God's will at all (Ps 91: 16).
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by Nobody: 12:16pm On Nov 06, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
I think it is the fear of harm and pain that is an hormonal. The fear of death was taught and learned. That's why the suicide bomber can be taught to love death.
That what I said. Fear of dying (the process) is instinct, but fear of death can be taught to eliminate it.
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by hadow(m): 1:07pm On Nov 06, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
If heaven is so lovely and good and the Christian is a true believer, and any cessation of his life takes him there, what sense then exists when he celebrates missing it? If this world is full of evil and owned by Satan or the devil, why should we rejoice when we miss an opportunity to leave this place? Is it that we do not really believe what we practise or that we don’t understand it well enough? Is it because we want to gain all that is on this earth before going to heaven? If that is so, wouldn’t that amount to the materialism this faith we profess is calling against? What exactly can be derived from our fear of death? Is it that natural aspect of the being that cannot be overshadowed even by the most powerful knowledge and entity in our world?

This is my verdict. We have left that lane that espouses on what it really means to be christian. We have focused more on the material aspect of human existence instead of the immaterial portion where we can kiss the finger of God and immortality. Actions come from understanding and this is not any different. The fear of death in us have gone as far as inhibiting us, giving us a false sense of christian reality that is antichristian. Where you are going to is better than where you are. You shouldn’t be given testimonies to celebrate your loss. That sounds crazy right? But let’s think about it. If you are looking at rising to a higher paying job with all the benefits of a king, would you call for celebration when an appointment that ought to take you there is called off? Would you be considered sane if you do?

Some persons may want to argue that the fear of death is not a fear of death itself but the fear of leaving their friends and families behind. While this could be argued well for a nonbeliever in Christ, it shouldn’t leave the mouth of a Christian. Once anyone becomes a Christian, he is expected to leave his ‘family, his friends’, etc., like Jesus Christ commanded. This defence falls flat in the face of that. Don’t confuse this with the call for Suicidal thoughts. No, it is not. Don’t confuse this with the idea of a selfish human existence. No, it is not. Simply understand this as a call for Christians to destroy that fear of death. Today’s Christians are too scared to be Christlike. They are too afraid of death that they live their lives in fear. They believe in a sweet afterlife but consider the idea of going their worrisome.

Obviously this won’t go down well with a lot of people. Maybe I stretched the message too much but I think it would be easy to see the fear of death, the central core of the message, for what it truly is to the Christian–irrational. The crux of my point so far is that the fear of death shouldn’t be in company of a Christian. From the perspective of Christianity, death shouldn’t be feared. It is not something that must be dreaded as though it alone can destroy the man or mind. It is not something that should be given any attention before truth leaves the lips of the Christian. It is given too much attention in today’s Christianity and it has contributed to the materialization and ruination of the believer. Like the English John Donne wrote in Death Be Not Proud, at the end, death too shall die.


http://www.mortalpoet.com/the-fear-of-death/
I guess u haven't met a true Christian, true christians are not afraid of death, in fact we actually see it as a/an honour to die especially during service to God, or why do u think missionaries leave their comfort zone to go to troubled areas or areas where there is no active propagation of the gospel risking their lives "carrying their cross" just to ensure people get saved, have u ever heard of the Moravians these are people who even sold themselves out as slaves just to preach the gospel(google them for more info), don't u remember d story of Steven who stood fearless in d face of death acts8
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by Sapiosexuality(m): 2:12pm On Nov 06, 2017
Hati13:

That what I said. Fear of dying (the process) is instinct, but fear of death can be taught to eliminate it.
If it is instinct how come children and babies are not scared of dying until they grow and taught so? Shouldn't be experienced from the very beginning? Is that not a sign that it was learned?
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by Sapiosexuality(m): 2:29pm On Nov 06, 2017
hadow:
I guess u haven't met a true Christian, true christians are not afraid of death, in fact we actually see it as a/an honour to die especially during service to God, or why do u think missionaries leave their comfort zone to go to troubled areas or areas where there is no active propagation of the gospel risking their lives "carrying their cross" just to ensure people get saved, have u ever heard of the Moravians these are people who even sold themselves out as slaves just to preach the gospel(google them for more info), don't u remember d story of Steven who stood fearless in d face of death acts8
Of course they are Christians without this fear. The unfortunate thing is the majority who, despite the substance of their faith, see death with so much fear and reference.
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by hopefulLandlord: 3:27pm On Nov 06, 2017
hadow:
I guess u haven't met a true Christian, true christians are not afraid of death, in fact we actually see it as a/an honour to die especially during service to God, or why do u think missionaries leave their comfort zone to go to troubled areas or areas where there is no active propagation of the gospel risking their lives "carrying their cross" just to ensure people get saved, have u ever heard of the Moravians these are people who even sold themselves out as slaves just to preach the gospel(google them for more info), don't u remember d story of Steven who stood fearless in d face of death acts8

calling Christians who fears death as not a "true Christian" is really bizarre
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by hadow(m): 3:45pm On Nov 06, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


calling Christians who fears death as not a "true Christian" is really bizarre
really undecided
hopefulLandlord:


calling Christians who fears death as not a "true Christian" is really bizarre
really
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by hadow(m): 3:46pm On Nov 06, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


calling Christians who fears death as not a "true Christian" is really bizarre
do u even knw what d word christian means
Re: The Illogical Fear Of Death By The Christian by hopefulLandlord: 3:59pm On Nov 06, 2017
hadow:
do u even knw what d word christian means

I dunno, you tell me

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