Thanks to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck we now have a new form of racist organization, the teabaggers as they call themselves. They are opposing every bill Obama is trying to pass. Why? A black man can't change the American way of life? The health care bill is one I don't think any congressman should oppose if they are for the average American. The bill clearly allows those who can afford private healthcare to keep paying insurance companies while providing for poor people. Should you die because you are not rich? What is wrong with these folks?


Rush Limbaugh went to get treatment in a country that has a state ran healthcare system while opposing same for Americans. He threatens to leave America if the bill is passed. As if he matters at all. I know tons of Americans that go to Canada to get drugs cause they are either free or cheap in Canada while Americans pay high prices for important medication.

Who is trying to kill the seniors now? The republicans accused the democrats of trying to kill the seniors with the health care bill but how many seniors can really afford the current health care price tags that are privately controlled by money hungry insurance companies?

These so called teabaggers were shouting nigger at a black congressman and they claim they are not racist? The thing is they don't want a black man to change things for them. Many people are going broke because of health care in the US while Canadians can afford to get sick. I'm getting tired of this country and how their politics play. What would they rather spend their tax dollars on? Iraq war? Passing the health care bill is really important to Obama cause I remembered he said his mom died arguing with insurance companies on the phone while in hospital bed. Why allow some right wing Nazi paid by insurance copanies to dictate what to say to you?

Where is the respect you have for the nation if you don't respect the president? Freedom of speech doesn't mean you have to call others names especially our president. Obama didn't vote himself in, 65% of Americans did. These teabaggers need to be cautioned.

When a bush was in ruling no one asked for birth certificates in public but a black man is there now they all think he was born in "the Islamic socialist fascist republic of kenya". How they are able to say that in one breath is beyond me. Kenya is not an Islamic republic neither are they fascists or socialists. These people are just mad the most important bill that will change the American way of life is about to be passed by a black man.

Watch a woman here said she doesn't have health insurance yet she opposes a free one? Something is wrong,



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They are STONE RACISTS!!!!

They are for the separation and betterment of the white race.

basically, it is NAZIsm in America 2010.

White people are FEARFUL COWARDS, always have been, always will be.

9jaganja

People are afraid of change. It is basic human nature and what makes us human. Just look at how many people opposes Nigeria breaking up here too.

As for calling people names and what not, it is part and parcel of freedom of speech, however, there are balances with local laws.

It should also be noted that those protesting do not speak for America or the majority of Americans.

Rush is just one hypocrite whose talk and puff is nothing but for his own gain - he's got a radio show and he makes a living from saying crazy stuff. Welcome to America.

What is wrong with people. What does racism have do with this. Does everything have to be connected to racism once it involves people of differing opinions and races. Since you have chosen not to make any specific arguments but have instead spoken in generalities, I can't really attempt to engage you in a productive discussion. You complain about the way politics is being played, I agree with you. You also complain about the general lack of respect, another area of our agreement. But if you believe all these things just started when Obama took office, you need to do proper research. When G.W Bush was elected in '00 the Rev. Al Sharpton held a separate inauguration (which was well attended) on inauguration day, I am pretty sure that would amount to disrespect. Not to mention the fact that several people had bumper stickers claiming Bush was not their president (they subsequently disappeared after 9/11). Remember when Condoleeza Rice was on the receiving end of public abuse and derision. Was it racism? The same way people oppose Obama's attempts to reform health-care is the same way people opposed Clinton's efforts in 93, that flies in the face of your accusations of racism. When GW Bush was trying to reform the social security system in '05 he met unanimous Democratic opposition as well as public outrage and subsequently failed in his attempts. This things have always happened. Fact.

Are they the best way to get stuff done? I don't think so. Are they sometimes ugly? Yes. But do they prove racism, extremism and Nazism? Hell No. You need more damning evidence than that. Obama is not the first President in history to hit rough a patch and face down fervent opposition and he most certainly won't be last. It has little to do with racism. Fact

those tea baggers should send the tea bags to my house, i could start up a tea business lol 
Spoilt /wasteful americanski, i can teach them a thing or two on the proper use of a tea bag too for a small fee 

@poster, i think many of them if not all are racist but what do i care.

montelik:

What is wrong with people. What does racism have do with this. Does everything have to be connected to racism once it involves people of differing opinions and races. Since you have chosen not to make any specific arguments but have instead spoken in generalities, I can't really attempt to engage you in a productive discussion. You complain about the way politics is being played, I agree with you. You also complain about the general lack of respect, another area of our agreement. But if you believe all these things just started when Obama took office, you need to do proper research. When G.W Bush was elected in '00 the Rev. Al Sharpton held a separate inauguration (which was well attended) on inauguration day, I am pretty sure that would amount to disrespect. Not to mention the fact that several people had bumper stickers claiming Bush was not their president (they subsequently disappeared after 9/11).

Remember when Condoleeza Rice was on the receiving end of public abuse and derision. Was it racism? The same way people oppose Obama's attempts to reform health-care is the same way people opposed Clinton's efforts in 93, that flies in the face of your accusations of racism. When GW Bush was trying to reform the social security system in '05 he met unanimous Democratic opposition as well as public outrage and subsequently failed in his attempts. This things have always happened. Fact.

Are they the best way to get stuff done? I don't think so. Are they sometimes ugly? Yes. But do they prove racism, extremism and Nazism? Hell No. You need more damning evidence than that. Obama is not the first President in history to hit rough a patch and face down fervent opposition and he most certainly won't be last. It has little to do with racism. Fact

Best retort to the silly connection being made here.  Thanks!

montelik:

What is wrong with people. What does racism have do with this. Does everything have to be connected to racism once it involves people of differing opinions and races. Since you have chosen not to make any specific arguments but have instead spoken in generalities, I can't really attempt to engage you in a productive discussion. You complain about the way politics is being played, I agree with you. You also complain about the general lack of respect, another area of our agreement. But if you believe all these things just started when Obama took office, you need to do proper research. When G.W Bush was elected in '00 the Rev. Al Sharpton held a separate inauguration (which was well attended) on inauguration day, I am pretty sure that would amount to disrespect. Not to mention the fact that several people had bumper stickers claiming Bush was not their president (they subsequently disappeared after 9/11). Remember when Condoleeza Rice was on the receiving end of public abuse and derision. Was it racism? The same way people oppose Obama's attempts to reform health-care is the same way people opposed Clinton's efforts in 93, that flies in the face of your accusations of racism. [size=15pt]When GW Bush was trying to reform the social security system in '05 he met unanimous Democratic opposition[/size] as well as public outrage and subsequently failed in his attempts. This things have always happened. Fact.

Are they the best way to get stuff done? I don't think so. Are they sometimes ugly? Yes. But do they prove racism, extremism and Nazism? Hell No. You need more damning evidence than that. Obama is not the first President in history to hit rough a patch and face down fervent opposition and he most certainly won't be last. It has little to do with racism. Fact

He was trying to PRIVATIZE social security . . . i.e. make it FOR PROFIT just the same way health care is. Imagine if the democrats had allowed this . . . what do you think would have happened to SS after wall street's crash in 2008?

The way some people argue devoid of facts is amazing.

davidylan:

He was trying to PRIVATIZE social security . . . i.e. make it FOR PROFIT just the same way health care is. Imagine if the democrats had allowed this . . . what do you think would have happened to SS after wall street's crash in 2008?

The way some people argue devoid of facts is amazing.

I don't indulge in straw man arguments. I said reform, that phrase is very broad (it could mean privatize as you state or nationalize as many contend Obama is doing with health insurance or any type of other changes). I never specified as to what that reform was or entailed. Why? This is not a specific policy discussion. Where exactly I am devoid of facts. Don't assume positions to me and then proceed to argue against them.

montelik:

I don't indulge in straw man arguments. I said reform, that phrase is very broad (it could mean privatize as you state or nationalize as many contend Obama is doing with health insurance or any type of other changes). I never specified as to what that reform was or entailed. Why? This is not a specific policy discussion. Where exactly I am devoid of facts. Don't assume positions to me and then proceed to argue against them.

this is complete nonsense. You can use the phrase "reform" to mean just about anything while pulling the wool over the eyes of the ignorant. The goal of Bush was to PRIVATIZE SS not just "reform" it. It was this issue that necessitated the broad democratic party opposition to the bill.

The way you decietfully phrased it in your initial post was that democrats too were also unanimously opposed to "reform" under a republican president so why is the republican opposition to Obama any different? Well diff because the opposition to Bush was based squarely on POLICY not partisan politics!

a significant portion of them are racist. not all though.

the ones calling for revolution and calling obama a socialist (as if they obama and chavez are best of friends) are obviously racist.

some people like to see "racism" in everything. People dislike change even when what they have is not working. You dont need too look futher than Nigeria to see this

supply side jesus approves of this thread.

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montelik:

What is wrong with people. What does racism have do with this. Does everything have to be connected to racism once it involves people of differing opinions and races.

Are they the best way to get stuff done? I don't think so. Are they sometimes ugly? Yes. But do they prove racism, extremism and Nazism? Hell No. You need more damning evidence than that. Obama is not the first President in history to hit rough a patch and face down fervent opposition and he most certainly won't be last. It has little to do with racism. Fact

Montelik, you need to stop being reasonable and making these kinds of recklessly knowledgeable and solid points that are based on observable facts. Infact I am getting tired of the way you constantly make perfect sense in this section 

  I mean common! how can obamabots survive and continue to play their racist victim cards when you insist on constantly assaulting their frivolous lamentations of imaginary persecution with these kinds of sensible rejoinders? I'm reporting you to the mod asap.

i do believe many of the tea party members are racist. this is my opinion. do i have the evidence. perhaps not, or perhaps i do. a few are confirmed racists though. those who shouted the n-word at congressmen, those who carry photos of obama as a kenyan native doctor, those who insist the president was born in kenya despite contrary evidence, those who say he is exotic(pat buchanan), those who say he is a mus.lim and then turn around to criticise his pastor. these are some of the examples of the racists among them.

but there are those who are truely libertarians among them, there are those who are trully conservatives and are against the bill. and then there are those who are simply ignorant of the facts. they may not be racist but they are equally opposed to the bill/stimulus et al.

it's hard to confim if someone is racist. if a man hits another he is evil. if his victim is another race, is he evil(for hitting his fellow man) or is he racist(did he hit the other bc of race, or bc the guy is evil and will hit any man at all) was hitler racist or was he just damn evil. i think he was the later. but my instincts tell me that a significant portion of the tea baggers are racist but i dont think all of them are.

davidylan:

this is complete nonsense. You can use the phrase "reform" to mean just about anything while pulling the wool over the eyes of the ignorant. The goal of Bush was to PRIVATIZE SS not just "reform" it. It was this issue that necessitated the broad democratic party opposition to the bill.

The way you decietfully phrased it in your initial post was that democrats too were also unanimously opposed to "reform" under a republican president so why is the republican opposition to Obama any different? Well diff because the opposition to Bush was based squarely on POLICY not partisan politics!

You are still ascribing positions and arguments to me that I have not advocated. I used the word reform because this is not a policy discussion, hence there is no need to be specific. And despite your allegations of my attempts to deceive people, my use of the word reform was meant in the manner in which it is described in my Oxford English dictionary

Reform - to improve by removing faults.

I guess I could have been more specific, but as I said above I didn't feel the need to do so. But guess what, I also used the word reform to describe Obama's health care proposals, but there would be some who would accuse me of misrepresentation there too. They would argue that a more accurate description might be nationalization, not just "reform". I didn't characterize (specify) either reform plan because people can make their own mind about what reform ultimately entails or means and also because this discussion is not about that. Read the thread title, racism is the principle matter here. As for your claim that Democratic opposition to SS reform was based solely on policy. That may be true. But you most be really biased if you are attempting to say that Republican opposition to HC reform is not based on policy, but instead on partisan politics. I have not made any assumptions of what you mean besides what you have written, please kindly return the courtesy.


@ Jesoul. How u dey. It seems like your previous prayer wasn't answered oh. Apparently a national version of the Massachusetts health care model is going to be signed into law any moment, better get ready. Good luck    

montelik:

You are still ascribing positions and arguments to me that I have not advocated.

Hehe, David's is particularly skilled in that trade

@ Jesoul. How u dey. It seems like your previous prayer wasn't answered oh. Apparently a national version of the Massachusetts health care model is going to be signed into law any moment, better get ready. Good luck    

Actually I'm not quite sure how similar/dis-similar the Mass model is to the national one. It remains to be seen I guess. And don't adjust your computer screen, but I actually like a few of the items in this bill like "pre-existing conditions, allowing kids to stay on parents insurance till 26" etc . . . I'm 100% for anything that forces insurance companies to actually live up their end of the deal and insure people instead of burying people in endless paper work and red tape while they die off.

you think they are racist?

wait till obama brings up immigration reform and the house is voting on don't ask don't tell. una go hear word

JeSoul:

. . . I'm 100% for anything that forces insurance companies to actually live up their end of the deal and insure people instead of burying people in endless paper work and red tape while they die off.

where have you been all these years? this is what the democrats healthcare bill proposed. this is what obama has been saying all this while . . ,  . . . . and this is what scott brown proudly said he will destroy. and he got your vote.

here is a video of what obama and the democrats want to end. in this 80 seconds video, we see Dr linda Peeno, a doctor for an insurance company, whose job is to deny clients(those who have insurance o) a coverage when they need it. she denied a man insurance coverage and was promoted, she became richer by far, but her conscience pushed her to come and expose these things. this is why insurance companies are fighting with their life to block this move, they have succeeded for about a century, but soon it will be over for this kind of practice, then they will device another means


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoqpPwvUoP0

this one is even more pathetic. dont watch if you are faint hearted. but if you want to watch, watch from about 7.00min


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isASeR-aeN8&feature=related (watch from 7th minute)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82AfdtglNds&feature=related (watch the first 3 minutes)

warning*** the videos may make you cry. man's inhumanity to man.

JeSoul:

Actually I'm not quite sure how similar/dis-similar the Mass model is to the national one. It remains to be seen I guess. And don't adjust your computer screen, but[b] I actually like a few of the items in this bill[/b] like "pre-existing conditions, allowing kids to stay on parents insurance till 26" etc . . . I'm 100% for anything that forces insurance companies to actually live up their end of the deal and insure people instead of burying people in endless paper work and red tape while they die off.

The Mass model is quite similar except it didnt make provisions for containing costs.

You actually like some of the stuff on the bill? What a complete shock . . . and here i thot the democrats were trying to "jam" a bad socialist plot down America's throats. This has always been the problem with the bill . . . blank opposition without accurate information.

montelik:

But you most be really biased if you are attempting to say that Republican opposition to HC reform is not based on policy, but instead on partisan politics. I have not made any assumptions of what you mean besides what you have written, please kindly return the courtesy.

lol we know it is based purely on partisan politics. Tell us why Scott Brown isnt voting for something quite similar to what he actually supported and was proposed by Mitt Romney in Mass?

What is the republican opposition to this reform bill? They seem to be stumbling from talking point to talking point. Throughout sunday it was "abortion".

free abortions yall, no to death panels no to socialist healthcare

pres-elect:

where have you been all these years? this is what the democrats healthcare bill proposed. this is what obama has been saying all this while . . , . . . . and this is what scott brown proudly said he will destroy. and he got your vote.

Abeg go siddown jare lol. These are just 2 parts of a 1000 page bill. I know better. I have seen and lived it here in Mass. There are a few good outcomes but overall the Mass model is a disaster with an oversized capital D. I particularly dislike the portion of the bill that mandates everyone to be covered or else suffer tax penalties - this is the one thing I was hoping they would leave out.

Obama actually talked about this very point while on the campaign trail highlighting this big problem with the mass model and how it made no sense to penalize people that cannot afford it in the first place - so I'm suprised he included it in this bill.

here is a video of what obama and the democrats want to end. in this 80 seconds video, we see Dr linda Peeno, a doctor for an insurance company, whose job is to deny clients(those who have insurance o) a coverage when they need it. she denied a man insurance coverage and was promoted, she became richer by far, but her conscience pushed her to come and expose these things. this is why insurance companies are fighting with their life to block this move, they have succeeded for about a century, but soon it will be over for this kind of practice, then they will device another means


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoqpPwvUoP0

I can't watch that video now but will later. And I think I've stated more than once I have zero affection for insurance companies, they are the personification of evil and need to be dealt a blow. But I will not support anything that proposes to address the problem in theory but is then in reality delivered dressed in an unrecognizable garb that does more to hurt the people than help. Again - the Mass model.

Nobody knows what effect this bill will have until it is signed into law. I will hold my comments, my REAL comments until then.

davidylan:

The Mass model is quite similar except it didnt make provisions for containing costs.

"Provisions" hmm, we shall see. You know Mass woulda gone bankrupt by now if we weren't getting child support from the FG.

You actually like some of the stuff on the bill? What a complete shock . . . and here i thot the democrats were trying to "jam" a bad socialist plot down America's throats. This has always been the problem with the bill . . . blank opposition without accurate information.

Shush jare you and Prez. I said I like some things in it and I really don't like some things in it.

lol we know it is based purely on partisan politics. Tell us why Scott Brown isnt voting for something quite similar to what he actually supported and was proposed by Mitt Romney in Mass?

To me Mitt Romney will forever be held responsible for the mess that is "universal healthcare" in Mass. He made a huge mess and left it for us to clean up. I think this alone throws a huge wrench in his presidential aspirations, and rightly so.

JeSoul:

"Provisions" hmm, we shall see. You know Mass woulda gone bankrupt by now if we weren't getting child support from the FG.

Actually the Mass plan was designed to be funded from monies obtained from the FG. Quite different from how the Dems plan to fund their federal plan.

JeSoul:

Shush jare you and Prez. I said I like some things in it and I really don't like some things in it.

things like? I thot you warned us it was going to be one huge bolshevik plot?

JeSoul:

To me Mitt Romney will forever be held responsible for the mess that is "universal healthcare" in Mass. He made a huge mess and left it for us to clean up. I think this alone throws a huge wrench in his presidential aspirations, and rightly so.

hehe and to think Scott Brown won an election after supporting and voting for the mess. You begin to wonder if the republican hoopla is really about health care afterall.

@jesoul

i dont know if you are a lawyer. i'm not but i've been to court before, it can take lawyers 2 hours to say ''in its full technicality'', what you and me can say in 3 sentences. dont you know that it can take tens of pages just to establish one of those points you like. you have not read the bill to know those stuff you hate. meanwhile the bill is to be amended in the senate to remove some stuff like the nebraska deal which was done to assist in getting the 60 voted necessary to pass the senate(without which we would still be debating the bill in the senate today) but again the republicans want to block that. lol.

hope you are proud of your tea baggers who are now busy threatening to kill the children of those who voted for the bill and are trying to intimidate the democrats who voted for the bill, throwing stones in their offices and threatening more.

what happened to the rhetoric of ''you will pay in november''? if the bill was anti american, i guess the democrats will be voted out in november? uh-uh, i saw a bounce in support for the bill, i saw a bounce in support for obama in the polls, hmmmnn . . . tell the tea baggers, no need for a fight, use ur vote come november. start with the blue dog democrats

davidylan:

Actually the Mass plan was designed to be funded from monies obtained from the FG. Quite different from how the Dems plan to fund their federal plan.

I say we shall see 
 

things like? I thot you warned us it was going to be one huge bolshevik plot?

Things like tax penalties for those who don't get insurance. See my last post to Prez.

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pres-elect:

@jesoul

i dont know if you are a lawyer. i'm not but i've been to court before, it can take lawyers 2 hours to say ''in its full technicality'', what you and me can say in 3 sentences. dont you know that it can take tens of pages just to establish one of those points you like. you have not read the bill to know those stuff you hate. meanwhile the bill is to be amended in the senate to remove some stuff like the nebraska deal which was done to assist in getting the 60 voted necessary to pass the senate(without which we would still be debating the bill in the senate today) but again the republicans want to block that. lol.

Like I just said to David, we shall see what is really in the bill as it unfolds before all our eyes. I know why I am sceptical, again have you forgotten I live in ground zero?

hope you are proud of your tea baggers who are now busy threatening to kill the children of those who voted for the bill and are trying to intimidate the democrats who voted for the bill, throwing stones in their offices and threatening more.

You should know better than to ascribe the alleged actions of a handful of fringe right wingers to an entire group of people. Fringe left wingers are just as bad. We should not let this cast a dark shadow over people who are just honest disagreers. Has anything Montelik said not gotten thru to you eh? 

what happened to the rhetoric of ''you will pay in november''? if the bill was anti american, i guess the democrats will be voted out in november? uh-uh, i saw a bounce in support for the bill, i saw a bounce in support for obama in the polls, hmmmnn . . . tell the tea baggers, no need for a fight, use your vote come november. start with the blue dog democrats

I'm not sure if you're talking to me here or the republican party or the tea party. Please clarify. All these blanket statements self . . . David is rubbing off on you too much 

JeSoul:

I say we shall see 
  Things like tax penalties for those who don't get insurance. See my last post to Prez.

What is the problem with the tax penalties? If you drive without auto insurance you get slammed with serious fines . . . you want that repealed too?

The goal of making sure everyone has insurance is such that no one goes to the ER, gets free treatment that is then tacked unto the insurance bill for you and me. Its just that simple. Watch something other than Fox for a change ma'am.

davidylan:

What is the problem with the tax penalties? If you drive without auto insurance you get slammed with serious fines . . . you want that repealed too?

Having a car is very optional. Haven't you noticed?

The goal of making sure everyone has insurance is such that no one goes to the ER, gets free treatment that is then tacked unto the insurance bill for you and me. Its just that simple. Watch something other than Fox for a change ma'am.

Yes that is the goal. But again I have been telling you people it is not working here in ground zero. I'm too lazy to make my case now, maybe later. But a quick google search should suffice and show you articles from even left-wing news outlets that detail the problems with Mass-Care.

JeSoul:

Having a car is very optional. Haven't you noticed?

Quite true. But if you noticed . . . should you choose to walk 10 miles, i dont have to pay for your feeding allowance so your choice not to own a car is of no consequence to me.

JeSoul:

Yes that is the goal. But again I have been telling you people it is not working here in ground zero. I'm too lazy to make my case now, maybe later. But a quick google search should suffice and show you articles from even left-wing news outlets that detail the problems with Mass-Care.

it is not working in Mass because it was not properly designed. The issue with the Mass care is that it never had any cost control mechanisms . . . you cant mandate health insurance with absolutely no control over how much premiums the insurance companies can charge.

And there are some politically correct folks here who didn't read the article and don't believe it's racist. Your the congress man being called nigger by the tea baggers? right? Yeah right they are just protesting. These people are very little minority of Americans now and they are mad that they are. (Homophobic racist pricks). Teabaggers are just unaware, racist, ignorant fools. And these folks are headed by Sarah Palin? No wonder their IQ. And watch that hill billy say Obama is trying to kill "real" Americans and take over "white" people's freedom and you think these teabaggers are not racist? Some of you are just impossible and ignorant in the name of being politically correct. These teabaggars are racists and ignorant. And they keep clashing with other white folks who got their heads right.

good news about the tea baggers is that they are a bunch of whining loosers

@topic,

You ask are the teabaggers racists? While I can't speak for everyone of them, I can at least affirm that the most notable teabagger is racist.

This teabagger was known to have sworn under oath that "I never had sexual relations with that woman." What is lost to millions of Americans is that this teabagger did not consider the teabagging he did in the Oral Orifice Oval Office, a sexual activity.

This same bobo was quoted recently saying that "then Presidential aspirant Obama (being black) is only good enough to serve him coffee." In light of his heroics as a teabager, one cannot but wonder if he actually used the coffee serving as a cover up to say that the only good thing blacks are good at is teabagging.

As for me, this notorious notable teabagger is a racist. Can same be said of his entire Party? You be da judge!