toba:

Op im not sure u went to theology school to learn about God/Jesus.If u did,u wont be bothered by what u saw which made u quit.May be u went to study men&not about God.
Jesus said i know my sheep & my sheep knows me.If u re a sheep, be steadfast&wait for d coming of your sheperd

Devonian:

@ toba: Here we go again. Typical NL thread derailment -- leaving the reality to chase the shadow. If you're not knowledgeable enough to adequately and intelligently answer this question, you should have just move on after reading it. I'm not asking you to judge my decisions. I've never regretted those decisions after more than 10 years. The question you and others on NL are asked to answer is: When The Son Of Man Comes, Will He Find Faith On The Earth? However, if you wish to commence a thread which examines whether or not seminarians learn about God/Jesus in seminaries, and whether or not seminarians are sheep who knows their shepherd, you're welcome to do so, and I'll be glad to throw more light into that for you. Presumably you were never a seminarian and never knew what went on behind the gates of a theological seminary.

jagunlabi:

You will have to forgive Toba for he sees himself as a sheep waiting for his shepherd, and who expects others to be like him.He is yet to understand that not everybody derive pleasure in being sheeplike and in need of a shepherd of any sort.

Devonian:

@ toba: Y[b]our low level reasoning capacity made you pitch your clumsy argumentation very low so much so that I really do not wish to engage with you on this matter,  [/color][/b]

Devonian:

As for me, after spending 7 years in a theological seminary where I studied philosophy and theology in preparation for the priesthood; after quitting because upon seeing the in and out of the church, especially the antics of the clergy, and concluding that it utterly stinks; after completing a doctoral research into Pentecostalism, Materialism and Hypocrisy (In Press), I’m in serious doubt. But, ‘am I just being pessimistic?

Devonian:

@ toba: Your low level reasoning capacity made you pitch your clumsy argumentation very low so much so that I really do not wish to engage with you on this matter, but before calling it a day with you, I'll take you up on a statement you unthoughtfully made: "with pple like u around whose faithfulness can easily be influenced, i dnt think Jesus will have faithful pple if he returns." Would Jesus find faith in church leaders (Priests, Bishops, Pastors, GOs, etc) involved in  financial misconducts, church leaders who sexually abuse and assault children and vulnerable women, church leaders engaged in false biblical teachings, church leaders stage-managing miracles, and church leaders who only establish churches in £, € & $ economies?

rich_john:

@Devonian
I've got a similar story inasmuch as am not an athiest there's being a drastic change in the way I reason and see things after some starling discoveries! [b]Leave toba alone we were ones like him arguing and fighting any thing that goes contrary to our beliefs [/b]but that was then it wasn't an easy turn to reality but I faced my fears and now I've known and seen things that are too much for the mouth to utter. Deliberate ignorance is the stock in trade amongst Nigerians today, they are so affirmative about what they know little or nothing about! Too Bad.

toba:


From your post quoted above, u had to quit what u initially planned to achieve because of actions of clergy men. Isnt that shameful on your part? My point is, for anyone to be faithful he/she must be steadfast and enduring no matter the circumstance. This is my honest view. [/b]

Devonian:

My intention has been not to engage with you on this any further. But let me correct one misconception on your part. I graduated from the seminary without proceeding to ordination “because upon seeing the in and out of the church, especially the antics of the clergy, and concluding that it utterly stinks” If the education you received at LASU (I do have my reservations about the quality of education currently offered in LASU and Nigerian Universities in general, but would leave that for the moment) [b]betrayed your English comprehension, [/b]I’ll simplify this for you.

Devonian:

[color=#770077]Considering what we’re hearing and seeing on a daily basis in different Christian denominations: sexual and financial misconducts amongst church leaders, screwed biblical teachings, and stage-managed miracles, to mention a few, is there anyone out there who can wholeheartedly say that at Jesus’ second coming, he will find faith on the earth (Luke 18 v 8 )? As for me, after spending 7 years in a theological seminary where I studied philosophy and theology in preparation for the priesthood; after quitting because upon seeing the in and out of the church, especially the antics of the clergy, and concluding that it utterly stinks; after completing a doctoral research into Pentecostalism, Materialism and Hypocrisy (In Press), I’m in serious doubt. But, ‘am I just being pessimistic?

Devonian:



The reason I didn’t take up ordination was because I HAD SEEN THE “IN” AND “OUT” OF THE CHURCH. This is a very loaded statement, exemplified by ONE example: the antics of the clergy. In other words, what ordinary church members didn’t know was happening, I had seen, and these, for me, was antithesis of what Christianity stands for. As such, for me to join the band wagon is simply to deceive myself and others, which I wasn’t prepared to do.

toba:

May be u need to check your writing skill. How would i have known that u failed to go for ordination? it wasnt stated in your initial post which is this


The key word is 'quitting' which could connote not completing your course virtually. You now saying u graduated and didnt go for ordination is completely different from what can be deduced from your post

Well its not new that many of the so called men of God are not real men of God. But U could av been the change, if u could have just hanged on.

KunleOshob:

It is virtually impossible to change the system as the vested interests are to great and the love for filthy lucre is entrenched, t[b]he best any one can do is to go and start his own "church" [/b]but that would not solve the problem as they all eventually derail. It would take the physical return of christ for their to be any change and that return could be much sooner than expected.

KunleOshob:

It is virtually impossible to change the system as the vested interests are to great and the love for filthy lucre is entrenched, the best any one can do is to go and start his own "church" but that would not solvethe problem as they all eventually derail. It would take the physical return of christ for their to be any change and that return could be much sooner than expected.

toba:

May be u need to check your writing skill. How would i have known that u failed to go for  ordination? it wasnt stated in your initial post which is this
The key word is 'quitting' which could connote not completing your course virtually. You now saying u graduated and didnt go for ordination is completely different from what can be deduced from your post

Well its not new that many of the so called men of God are not real men of God. But U could av been the change, if u could have just hanged on.

Devonian:


[b]On change. [/b]At that very stage in my life, I received no mission or commission in that direction, even today. It would have been like Moses before he was called to deliver Israel out of Egypt, trying to revenge of his own volition, he became a self exile until God actually commissioned him. But if God had that plan for someone else, Moses would have died in exile, not personally realising his dream for Israel. Besides, you're talking of me being the change. It's imply not feasible. This is a global institution which carved a state for itself, so it's not under any secular governance, yet weilding one of the greatest influence throughout the world. NO MAN CAN WROUGHT ANY CHANGE THERE UNTIL JESUS RETURNS TO CARE FOR HIS OWN BODY! In any case, I now teach in a setting where I unpretentiously help the younger generation--of all faiths and none--to fulfil their dreams and potentials to their fullest abilities. In this way, I'm happily leaving my footprints on this planet earth.