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Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by MuttleyLaff: 9:21am On Dec 05, 2017
asuustrike2009:
Am sure you know the breaking of bread the idea didn't come from the apostles
SMH.
You are so desperate that you will throw anything at the wall, all in an attempt to see if it will stick to it

asuustrike2009:
You just quoted a verse without understanding the logic behind it
I dont anymore understand what people learn again in tertiary institutions back then and even lately
but I do understand, we all have levels of knowledge gaps, so dont because of yours, be too hard on yourself

Now what you should know, is, the "and" in Acts 2:42,
is used to introduce an additional comment to "...they were constant in listening to the teaching of the Apostles..."

Meaning, in addition, to being constant, in listening to the teaching of the Apostles
they also, were constant, in their attendance at the Communion, that is, the Breaking of the Bread, and at prayer.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by solite3(m): 10:58pm On Dec 08, 2017
1) Why is a specified tenth, 10%, 0.1 or 1/10 (i.e. tithe) a good way to give to God's work?
tithe means 10% that is why it is specific.


2) Considering tithing is not a law, just like you've correctly stated,
then what is wrong with giving an unspecified amount or percentage?
nothing is wrong provided it is from a cheerful heart


3) What is wrong with giving more or in giving less than the tenth, 10%, 0.1 or 1/10? (i.e. tithe)
again nothing wrong.
tithing is just a pricinple of giving just so that Gods work does not suffer.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by solite3(m): 11:09pm On Dec 08, 2017
asuustrike2009:

Salvation isn't greater either. Yes it's important but it's not greater.
King James Version
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone,

Jesus said matters of judgment, mercy,and faith are more weightier than tithe not equal by the way Christians are not required to pay tithe
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by solite3(m): 11:21pm On Dec 08, 2017
Ken4Christ:


Grace + Good works = Secured salvation.

Grace - Good works = hell.
do you know what grace is? Ephesians 2:8-9King James Version (KJV)

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

King James Version (KJV)

the sacrifice of Jesus is complete it does not need good works.
jesus did a perfect work and said it is finished.
adding good works to it will send you straight to hell.
dont you know that your so called good works or righteousness is filthy rag before God.
good works do not secure salvation but the power of God does.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by solite3(m): 11:36pm On Dec 08, 2017
asuustrike2009:

Which doctrine are you to follow the Bible or the apostles? Did the bible say we should follow apostle's doctrine?

this satement gives you out as an heretic

Parallel Verses
King James Version
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by solite3(m): 11:39pm On Dec 08, 2017
enilove:
Salvation is like a certificate.
Can you get a certificate without obeying the rules and regulations of the school , like passing the required subjects , paying your school fees and obeying the school's rules and regulations ?

Salvation is not an automatic thing , there are so MANY THINGS OR COMMANDMENTS TO OBEY.

One of them is tithes payments .
you dont know what salvation is.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by PaChukwudi44: 6:39am On Dec 09, 2017
This tithe desperadoes will do or write anything anything to justify their source if income

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Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by MuttleyLaff: 8:08am On Dec 09, 2017
solite3:
tithe means 10% that is why it is specific.
The question I asked was:
Why, according to what you earlier said, is clearly defined or identified, tithe which is tenth, 10%, 0.1 or 1/10 a good way to give to God's work?
Are other lesser or greater percentages than 10%, given to God's work, not as good as the 10% or tithe?

solite3:
nothing is wrong provided it is from a cheerful heart
Thank you,
so you agree and accept that, without fear or favour,
one can give lesser or greater than tithe (i.e. tenth, 10%, 0.1 or 1/10) provided it is from a cheerful heart?

solite3:
again nothing wrong.
tithing is just a pricinple of giving just so that Gods work does not suffer.
Brother, seems you arent familiar with the famous quote:
"Be firm on principle but flexible on method"

You see brother, principles of giving have a hierarchy
and with love, I am sorry to inform you that, tithing is not at the top of this hierarchy

You think, I am making this up?

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."

- 2 Corinthians 9:7

1Now about the collection for the Lord’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do.
2On the first day of every week,
each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up
,
so that when I come no collections will have to be made.
3Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem.

- 1 Corinthians 16:1-3

The above is 2 Corinthians 9:7, look it up yourself
It is the revolutionary method of giving,
where believers are instructed or urged as seen in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do
It is the same principle of giving
Still firm on giving but the method is different

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way, actually isnt a new thing,
it really isnt a different method, as it is a rehashed principle God, HAS always, all along endorsed,
as is evident in
Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9, so that God's work does not suffer

2 Corinthians 9:7 is the higher principle of church support, recommended and laid down, as a revolutionary way of giving, which believers are instructed or urged to do

As for 1 Corinthians 16:1-3, also reproduced above, it isnt, as some will argue, only for a special collection
Yes, it is a free will giving, but it is, the example, of how church is to be supported so that God's work does not suffer

solite3, brother, do you agree and accept that some principles are higher, superior and better than other principles?
Do you agree and accept that a certain principle(s) when applied can render some other principle(s) inoperative and/or redundant?
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by solite3(m): 11:02pm On Dec 09, 2017
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=63113001]The question I asked was:
Why, according to what you earlier said, is clearly defined or identified, tithe which is tenth, 10%, 0.1 or 1/10 a good way to give to God's work?
Are other lesser or greater percentages than 10%, given to God's work, not as good as the 10% or tithe?
personally I dont see reason anyone would give less than 10% this is just my personal opinion. Abraham tithed he wasnt compelled but he did it out of gratitude, I believe some christians choose to follow after Abraham's footstep but somewhere along the line made it a law which is wrong.

Thank you,
so you agree and accept that, without fear or favour,
one can give lesser or greater than tithe (i.e. tenth, 10%, 0.1 or 1/10) provided it is from a cheerful heart?

Brother, seems you arent familiar with the famous
"Be firm on principle but flexible on method"

You see brother, principles of giving have a hierarchy
and with love, I am sorry to inform you that, tithing is not at the top of this hierarchy
yea I understand you perfectly. tithing may not be the top principle but it teaches us to be more dependent on God financially. we are living in a world were so many things would sap our finances but tithing teaches us to put God first.
You think, I am making this up?
nope

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."

- 2 Corinthians 9:7

1Now about the collection for the Lord’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do.
2On the first day of every week,
each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up
,
so that when I come no collections will have to be made.
3Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem.

- 1 Corinthians 16:1-3
The problem I have with some, permit me to say so called christians is lack of understanding they take the law without understanding what it teaches.
my Brother Tithing is similar to what you just quoted.for me i look at what tithing teaches not as a law that is compulsory.
take for example Abraham
he tithed but was not forced neither was he told but he did willingly he tithed of ALL he received from the war.


The above is 2 Corinthians 9:7, look it up yourself
It is the revolutionary method of giving,
where believers are instructed or urged as seen in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do
It is the same principle of giving
Still firm on giving but the method is different

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way, actually isnt a new thing,
it really isnt a different method, as it is a rehashed principle God, HAS always, all along endorsed,
as is evident in
Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9, so that God's work does not suffer

2 Corinthians 9:7 is the higher principle of church support, recommended and laid down, as a revolutionary way of giving, which believers are instructed or urged to do

As for 1 Corinthians 16:1-3, also reproduced above, it isnt, as some will argue, only for a special collection
Yes, it is a free will giving, but it is, the example, of how church is to be supported so that God's work does not suffer

solite3, brother, do you agree and accept that some principles are higher, superior and better than other principles?
Do you agree and accept that a certain principle(s) when applied can render some other principle(s) inoperative and/or redundant?
of cause brother i totally agree with you. thumbs up brother. only that we should not discourage anyone who choose to adopt the tithing method. i can bet you alot of people give more than 10%.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by Nobody: 1:33am On Dec 10, 2017
solite3:

this satement gives you out as an heretic

Parallel Verses
King James Version
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.


I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you. It's the word .psalm 119:1, psalm 19:4. These talk about the word of God. It's the word that gives direction, reproof, correction and understanding.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by Nobody: 1:40am On Dec 10, 2017
solite3:
King James Version
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone,

Jesus said matters of judgment, mercy,and faith are more weightier than tithe not equal by the way Christians are not required to pay tithe
Jesus didn't dispute tithe either in fact he commended them but frown at the Jews forgetting the most important aspect of the law. He never categorical or expressly commend tithe in the Bible.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by solite3(m): 9:58am On Jan 20
asuustrike2009:

Jesus didn't dispute tithe either in fact he commended them but frown at the Jews forgetting the most important aspect of the law. He never categorical or expressly commend tithe in the Bible.
that means tithe is not that important and yet you equate tithe to salvation which is the work of Christ invariably saying some things are greater than the work of Christ himself.
The early Christians never paid tithe, if tithe were that important yet Jesus said it is a smaller issue even within the law, the apostles never recognise it.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by Nobody: 4:01pm On Jan 20
solite3:
that means tithe is not that important and yet you equate tithe to salvation which is the work of Christ invariably saying some things are greater than the work of Christ himself.
The early Christians never paid tithe, if tithe were that important yet Jesus said it is a smaller issue even within the law, the apostles never recognise it.


Tithe is very important in Christian race. Yahweh doesn't joke with it all. He frown at it and calls non tither thieves. No matter how this generation tries to twist the scriptures to dodge it, the word of God will never change.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by solite3(m): 2:26pm On Jan 21
asuustrike2009:

Tithe is very important in Christian race. Yahweh doesn't joke with it all. He frown at it and calls non tither thieves. No matter how this generation tries to twist the scriptures to dodge it, the word of God will never change.
that means the early Christians were thrives? You have no scriptural backing to prove tithe is important to Christians just emotions.

I weep for your generation because you do not study scripture but just carried away with every wind of doctrine.
You obviously follow men not the teachings of Christ and the apostles.
Jesus never teach tithing nor the disciples.

Note: I m not against tithing but it is not a law.



2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by Hiswordxray(m): 2:58pm On Jan 21
enilove:
Salvation is like a certificate.
Can you get a certificate without obeying the rules and regulations of the school , like passing the required subjects , paying your school fees and obeying the school's rules and regulations ?

Salvation is not an automatic thing , there are so MANY THINGS OR COMMANDMENTS TO OBEY.

One of them is tithes payments .
The only thing required for salvation is believing in Jesus. What you just described is not Christian at all. In your attempt to validate tithe you have spoken foolishly. This is exactly the mistake that every one that tries to validate tithe continues to make. They continue to make themselves look foolish.

Why not face the truth, why not acquire knowledge. Go and do a personal study of tithe, read the Old Testament very well, do a thorough research and take the truth as it is. Bless you brother
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by Nobody: 3:26pm On Jan 21
solite3:
that means the early Christians were thrives? You have no scriptural backing to prove tithe is important to Christians just emotions.

I weep for your generation because you do not study scripture but just carried away with every wind of doctrine.
You obviously follow men not the teachings of Christ and the apostles.
Jesus never teach tithing nor the disciples.

Note: I m not against tithing but it is not a law.



2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Bible backing against non tithers are 1 cor 6:9-10, mal 3:8-10. These scriptures are what the lord uses to judge non tithers. No matter how man sees it, the lord is no respecter of man. He never change his word or standard to suit anyone
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by nicemuyoo: 3:46pm On Jan 21
Tithe has nothing to do with salvation of a soul. Why are you misleading People?? People that Yahshua has shed his blood to save!!!
Yahshua, Peter, John,James, Paul, early churches never never taught tithing. This tithing was introduced by roman Catholic church after almost 700yrs and it was a pervesion of the tax system under leventicle priesthood system.
Peter was a fisherman he cannot pay
Yahshua a carpenter cannot pay tithe.
Only rich people with herds and farming lands pay tithe. Not everyone in old testament pay tithe. Labourers employed on farm don't pay tithe.
So you now use money a man made instrument as a criteria for the salvation of a soul!!!!!
This is wickedness of the highest order!!!!
enilove:
Salvation is like a certificate.
Can you get a certificate without obeying the rules and regulations of the school , like passing the required subjects , paying your school fees and obeying the school's rules and regulations ?

Salvation is not an automatic thing , there are so MANY THINGS OR COMMANDMENTS TO OBEY.

One of them is tithes payments .
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by solite3(m): 5:24pm On Jan 21
asuustrike2009:

Bible backing against non tithers are 1 cor 6:9-10, mal 3:8-10. These scriptures are what the lord uses to judge non tithers. No matter how man sees it, the lord is no respecter of man. He never change his word or standard to suit anyone
how does 1cor 6:9-10 relate to tithe? As for Mal 3:8-10, anyone who is under the law is cursed, that is where the curse is coming from.
A Christian is not under the law.


Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by nicemuyoo: 5:31pm On Jan 21
In revelation 14:12 there was an account of people that where saved in the end and we where given a correct criteria that these people met to be saved at the end. This two criteria Are
1. Having the testimony of Yahushua
2. Obedience to the commandment of God.

So the question is why are people still looking for answers when yahshua revealed to John that in the future the people who got saved in the end are those that met the above requirements !!!
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by Nobody: 6:26pm On Jan 21
solite3:

how does 1cor 6:9-10 relate to tithe? As for Mal 3:8-10, anyone who is under the law is cursed, that is where the curse is coming from.
A Christian is not under the law.


Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
In 1 cor 6:9-10 stated those that wouldn't inherit heaven, thieves were included. How is a non tither a thief? You find that in mal 3:8-10, it was stated would a man rob me?. How do man rob God? Through tithe and offerings.
Would a thief enter heaven? The answer is no. These scriptures are used to judge man if they don't repent. No matter how man live his life on earth if there is any stain in his garment, he wouldn't make it to heaven.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by solite3(m): 11:15pm On Jan 24
asuustrike2009:

In 1 cor 6:9-10 stated those that wouldn't inherit heaven, thieves were included. How is a non tither a thief? You find that in mal 3:8-10, it was stated would a man rob me?. How do man rob God? Through tithe and offerings.
Would a thief enter heaven? The answer is no. These scriptures are used to judge man if they don't repent. No matter how man live his life on earth if there is any stain in his garment, he wouldn't make it to heaven.
was mal 3:8-10 referring to christians or the nation of Israel? It is a sin to add to God's word. Was tithe payment not among the works of the law abolished? You think tithe payment will earn you heaven or will stop a man from entering heaven?


Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Any gospel that goes against this is not of God.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by solite3(m): 11:20pm On Jan 24
asuustrike2009:

In 1 cor 6:9-10 stated those that wouldn't inherit heaven, thieves were included. How is a non tither a thief? You find that in mal 3:8-10, it was stated would a man rob me?. How do man rob God? Through tithe and offerings.
Would a thief enter heaven? The answer is no. These scriptures are used to judge man if they don't repent. No matter how man live his life on earth if there is any stain in his garment, he wouldn't make it to heaven.
the false gospel of making heaving. Heaven is not what you make. I am not striving to make heaven, I m already a bona fide citizen of heaven and I can tell you tithe and offering or man made righteousness will do you no good before God.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by Nobody: 11:25pm On Jan 24
solite3:
the false gospel of making heaving. Heaven is not what you make. I am not striving to make heaven, I m already a bona fide citizen of heaven and I can tell you tithe and offering or man made righteousness will do you no good before God.
You are own your own. A word is a enough for the wise. When God speaks the wise listen
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by Nobody: 11:27pm On Jan 24
solite3:
was mal 3:8-10 referring to christians or the nation of Israel? It is a sin to add to God's word. Was tithe payment not among the works of the law abolished? You think tithe payment will earn you heaven or will stop a man from entering heaven?


Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Any gospel that goes against this is not of God.

Tithe wasn't abolished,the Bible didn't say. Jesus stamped it.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by solite3(m): 11:40pm On Jan 24
asuustrike2009:

You are own your own. A word is a enough for the wise. When God speaks the wise listen
smh
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by solite3(m): 11:50pm On Jan 24
asuustrike2009:

Tithe wasn't abolished,the Bible didn't say. Jesus stamped it.
Jesus stamped it for who? The bible didn't say the law was abolished? Was tithe not part of the law?
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by Nobody: 11:53pm On Jan 24
solite3:
Jesus stamped it for who? The bible didn't say the law was abolished? Was tithe not part of the law?
Jesus didn't abolish the law that is why there are consequences for going against it.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by solite3(m): 12:17am On Jan 25
asuustrike2009:

Jesus didn't abolish the law that is why there are consequences for going against it.
the law is not abolished for a sinner infact he is reqiired to keep the whole law without nreaking anyone but for a christ, he is no longer under the law Christians live under a new law which is the law of Christ.
Christ died to end the first covenant with its laws so that he can establish a new one. The new law is based on love Jesus suffered and died so he could end the law.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by Nobody: 1:26am On Jan 25
solite3:
the law is not abolished for a sinner infact he is reqiired to keep the whole law without nreaking anyone but for a christ, he is no longer under the law Christians live under a new law which is the law of Christ.
Christ died to end the first covenant with its laws so that he can establish a new one. The new law is based on love Jesus suffered and died so he could end the law.
Christ didn't abolish the law. You don't break the law expect things to work out fine in the name of grace. Christ came to reconcile man to the father because the offering of bulls and cows can not atone for their sin. Christ didn't say don't pay tithe but men assume otherwise. Christ is angry with humanity because they claim to know too much. He is bitter because his blood he shed for humanity is in vain. Christ is the custodian of the law because he was there from the beginning
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by OkaiCorne(m): 4:30am On Jan 25
asuustrike2009:

Christ didn't abolish the law. You don't break the law expect things to work out fine in the name of grace. Christ came to reconcile man to the father because the offering of bulls and cows can not atone for their sin. Christ didn't say don't pay tithe but men assume otherwise. Christ is angry with humanity because they claim to know too much. He is bitter because his blood he shed for humanity is in vain. Christ is the custodian of the law because he was there from the beginning

Jesus came to fulfill the burdens of the old covenant so that it no longer becomes binding on those within the new covenant. Love for God and man has replaced the stringent requirements of the law.


By the way, I've been asking you how you pay your tithes, yet no answer from you.

Tithe is 10% of what exactly? Because that has been laid out by God in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by Nobody: 4:43am On Jan 25
OkaiCorne:


Jesus came to fulfill the burdens of the old covenant so that it no longer becomes binding on those within the new covenant. Love for God and man has replaced the stringent requirements of the law.


By the way, I've been asking you how you pay your tithes, yet no answer from you.

Tithe is 10% of what exactly? Because that has been laid out by God in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29.
I had answered you. Pay your tithe because you love Yahweh and wants to keep his command. I had given you many scriptural backings on tithing. I had discussed the spiritual implications if you fail to pay. There is no excuse whatsoever if you don't pay( based on revelation). There is more to this that many don't know. I don't stress on tithing for nothing. This alone as sent many to hell because of ignorance and non challant attitude. The road to heaven is very narrow. There are many things we must do to get there. It goes beyond what many preachers are preaching. Many had lost it because their messages had being diluted. What we see is grace, prosperity and common sense messages. Holiness,salvation and righteousness is lacking in many Christian denominations. Many do as they like as they are not lead by the spirit. When you are lead by the spirit, you wouldn't join others to argue about tithing.
Re: Salvation And Tithe, Which Is Greater by OkaiCorne(m): 5:14am On Jan 25
asuustrike2009:

I had answered you. Pay your tithe because you love Yahweh and wants to keep his command. I had given you many scriptural backings on tithing. I had discussed the spiritual implications if you fail to pay. There is no excuse whatsoever if you don't pay( based on revelation). There is more to this that many don't know. I don't stress on tithing for nothing. This alone as sent many to hell because of ignorance and non challant attitude. The road to heaven is very narrow. There are many things we must do to get there. It goes beyond what many preachers are preaching. Many had lost it because their messages had being diluted. What we see is grace, prosperity and common sense messages. Holiness,salvation and righteousness is lacking in many Christian denominations. Many do as they like as they are not lead by the spirit. When you are lead by the spirit, you wouldn't join others to argue about tithing.

How do you pay your tithe?

What is God's definition of tithe and how do you pay it?

Stop dodging this question. Come out clearly and tell us how you pay tithes since you insist it is a valid requirement in the new covenant.

We need to be sure if you can really tell the difference between Judaism and Christianity on this tithing matter.

PLEASE TELL US HOW YOU PAY YOUR TITHES

Per the part of your message I bolded, I am still looking for where God instructed people to pay tithes monetarily...anything outside that is a false doctrine, so I am not arguing here, I am only after exposing a false doctrine and


Once more: PLEASE TELL US HOW YOU TITHE

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