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Opinion : Is There Anyone That Can Counter Frz Anti-tithe Allegations ? by mrborntodoit: 2:36pm On Nov 26, 2017
Please do so without insults.

Numbers
18:24
Pay 10% as Tithe to only the Levite Priests
Re: Opinion : Is There Anyone That Can Counter Frz Anti-tithe Allegations ? by Nobody: 3:15pm On Nov 26, 2017
mrborntodoit:
Please do so without insults.


Where are the anti tithe allegations..??
Re: Opinion : Is There Anyone That Can Counter Frz Anti-tithe Allegations ? by MightySparrow: 2:57am On Nov 27, 2017
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Re: Opinion : Is There Anyone That Can Counter Frz Anti-tithe Allegations ? by mrborntodoit: 5:55pm On Nov 28, 2017
1StopRudeness:


Where are the anti tithe allegations..??


Numbers 18 vs24
Re: Opinion : Is There Anyone That Can Counter Frz Anti-tithe Allegations ? by Nobody: 8:55pm On Nov 28, 2017
mrborntodoit:



Numbers 18 vs24

For starters, tithe is the least issue in God's house and kingdom when compared to other important things. (Jesus himself said so)

Mathew 23v23 clearly records Jesus talking about tithe payment being a part of service in the kingdom though not as important as justice, mercy and faith but should not be left out.


Freeze is just another Judas Iscariot pretending to care about the poor, when really, all he cares about is envy that all the money isn't coming to him.


If freeze that reads his bible with the aim of attacking other Christians is ur yardstick on how u should run your relationship with God.. then you have no business calling yourself a Christian. If u read ur bible and the holy spirit inspires u not to pay tithe, don't pay

It's better not to give at all than to give in doubt or grumbling

I don't know what's all these fuss about tithe being abolished seff!!!
We still do and apply so scriptures in the old testament,
We still pray with ps91 and claim the prophesy of isa and ezekiel,
preach obedience and fear of God which is almost the entire length and breath of the old testament,
Heck!!!! We still obey the 10 commandments..
I don't get why tithe payment is all of a sudden a sin.
Re: Opinion : Is There Anyone That Can Counter Frz Anti-tithe Allegations ? by petra1(m): 10:09pm On Nov 28, 2017
THE ERROR OF DADDY FREEZE

It's laughable when some who don't study their bibles feel there is a hidden conspiracy about tithing in the church which pastors have been covering up. Daddy freeze claims that the Bible. Command tithes to be uses to drink beer. Firstly that's is insult to God and stupid .

Let me explain the manipulation and error of Daddy freeze here . He told a lie that tithe is to be given to the poor and to eat and drink that is error .

Tithe belong to God right right from the days of father Abraham who’s principle of faith we follow .

Under the law God still commanded isreal to give tithes and offerings. Which is used for the service of the house of God and welfare and support of workers and ministers there .


Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.


After God Instructed them on the tithe to him through the levites , he asked the people to give another 10% to the poor every 3 years and another 10% for a love feast to eat and drink . That doesn’t replace the tithe to God. And that is the error and deception of daddy freeze . He didn’t mentioned the title to God and gave the impression that the other 10% for feast and for the poor were the same. .

As much as we are not tithing based on the law. We tithe based on Abrahamic revelation . However the explanation here is to throw light on the misrepresentation by daddy freeze .


THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TITHES

There were three different kinds of tithes in the Bible . Daddy freeze dwell on a minor one to rubbish the major one .

The three different types are as follows:

1. THE LEVITICAL TITHE (sacred to God).

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord


This tithe is used for the work of service in the place of worship and also for the welfare of the workers there.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.



2. THE TITHE OF THE FEAST (Deut. 14:22-27).(daddy freeze beer boozing tithe )
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.



3. THE TITHE FOR THE POOR (Deut. 14:28, 29). (Every 3 years)
This is done once in very 3 years . It is shared among the poor . While the main annual tithe still runs .

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest


The first tithe, the one we trace back to Abra­ham (Gen. 14:18-20), is the sacred tithe, given to the Levites and priests for their service to the temple and the congregation in the Old Testa­ment. This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testa­ment. It is the tithe consecrated to God and the furtherance of the gospel and has, therefore, validity for all believers in Christ.

Paul was clear enough .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel


Now some may say Paul didn't accept support . That's no big deal . He didn't accept support in Corinth because of their carnality . But he accepted support from some other churches . Same goes for pastors today . Most pastors serve voluntarily. They don't receive support . Over 9% of pastors in Deeper life ,Redeem ,CEC, winners are serving voluntarily. They have their own jobs . In fact one of the criterial by which you are sent out is to first have a good job . Except only few who may be required to serve full time and they may have to resign from their job. To get support from church . Church tithe is used to pay workers , church rent , maintainance , equipment ,projects , generator fuel. Chair hire etc and other expenditures. The pastor is not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure by which money is handled . A pastor in redeem cannot dip his hand into church account . There are approvals from head quarters for expenditure. Not what bloggers online post who don't even go to church

We are not giving tithes as commanded under the law . Our tithing dates to Abraham before the law came . And that it why the other kinds of tithes were not emphasized . So daddy freeze only dwell on the feast party which is not abrahamic . And antitithers are jumping up that they have a hero (who is not even a Christian )
Re: Opinion : Is There Anyone That Can Counter Frz Anti-tithe Allegations ? by Goshen360(m): 1:19am On Nov 29, 2017
petra1:

THE ERROR OF DADDY FREEZE

It's laughable when some who don't study their bibles feel there is a hidden conspiracy about tithing in the church which pastors have been covering up. Daddy freeze claims that the Bible. Command tithes to be uses to drink beer. Firstly that's is insult to God and stupid .

Let me explain the manipulation and error of Daddy freeze here . He told a lie that tithe is to be given to the poor and to eat and drink that is error .

Tithe belong to God right right from the days of father Abraham who’s principle of faith we follow .

Under the law God still commanded isreal to give tithes and offerings. Which is used for the service of the house of God and welfare and support of workers and ministers there .


Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.


After God Instructed them on the tithe to him through the levites , he asked the people to give another 10% to the poor every 3 years and another 10% for a love feast to eat and drink . That doesn’t replace the tithe to God. And that is the error and deception of daddy freeze . He didn’t mentioned the title to God and gave the impression that the other 10% for feast and for the poor were the same. .

As much as we are not tithing based on the law. We tithe based on Abrahamic revelation . However the explanation here is to throw light on the misrepresentation by daddy freeze .


THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TITHES

There were three different kinds of tithes in the Bible . Daddy freeze dwell on a minor one to rubbish the major one .

The three different types are as follows:

1. THE LEVITICAL TITHE (sacred to God).

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord


This tithe is used for the work of service in the place of worship and also for the welfare of the workers there.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.



2. THE TITHE OF THE FEAST (Deut. 14:22-27).(daddy freeze beer boozing tithe )
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.



3. THE TITHE FOR THE POOR (Deut. 14:28, 29). (Every 3 years)
This is done once in very 3 years . It is shared among the poor . While the main annual tithe still runs .

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest


The first tithe, the one we trace back to Abra­ham (Gen. 14:18-20), is the sacred tithe, given to the Levites and priests for their service to the temple and the congregation in the Old Testa­ment. This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testa­ment. It is the tithe consecrated to God and the furtherance of the gospel and has, therefore, validity for all believers in Christ.

Paul was clear enough .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel


Now some may say Paul didn't accept support . That's no big deal . He didn't accept support in Corinth because of their carnality . But he accepted support from some other churches . Same goes for pastors today . Most pastors serve voluntarily. They don't receive support . Over 9% of pastors in Deeper life ,Redeem ,CEC, winners are serving voluntarily. They have their own jobs . In fact one of the criterial by which you are sent out is to first have a good job . Except only few who may be required to serve full time and they may have to resign from their job. To get support from church . Church tithe is used to pay workers , church rent , maintainance , equipment ,projects , generator fuel. Chair hire etc and other expenditures. The pastor is not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure by which money is handled . A pastor in redeem cannot dip his hand into church account . There are approvals from head quarters for expenditure. Not what bloggers online post who don't even go to church

We are not giving tithes as commanded under the law . Our tithing dates to Abraham before the law came . And that it why the other kinds of tithes were not emphasized . So daddy freeze only dwell on the feast party which is not abrahamic . And antitithers are jumping up that they have a hero (who is not even a Christian )

You guys lace heresy mixed with truth in your messages which is even more dangerous to Christians and Christianity. How do I mean?

1. I don't have the whole time to respond to everything you said line by line, hence I'm quoting all and respond in general. You talk as if daddy FRZ is saying something new. How about us, and people like me and others who have fought against FIXED AND STIPULATED AND MANDATORY kind of giving which tithe is on this forum? Daddy FRZ is just showing up now to give a national voice to same false teaching on tithe we were fighting here over the years.

2. When we, the anti tithe challenge you tithe preachers you guys run back to Abraham kind of tithe saying it's A REVELATION. Stop show us scriptures that Abraham tithe is revelation. And btw, if it's a revelation shouldn't it be written in the bible and plus, it should also be a revelation for Christians not to keep nothing to themselves and not to tithe from their personal income because the last time I checked, Abraham returned the rest of spoils of war to rightful owners and kept nothing to himself.

2b. You guys tithe preachers like YOU say people should tithe in Abraham example AND NOT ACCORDING TO THE LAW but you the your preachers ALIKE USE CURSE, THREATS AND FEAR to lace your messages for people to tithe. Who threatened Abraham with curse before he gave tithe? You guys say it's by revelation but use curse and fear of malachi to threaten people. If it is by fear or curse of malachi then it can't be by revelation. Which one is it?

3. Believers have injunctions in the new testament how to give NOT A FIXED, STIPULATED AND MANDATORY kind that tithe was. EVERY GIVING FROM ANYONE IS ALWAYS A CERTAIN % OF HIS OR HER INCOME doesn't have to BE FIXED, STIPULATED AND MANDATORY to every Christian. To some, it could be 1, to another it could be 5 and to another it could be 10, to another it could be 12 etc %.....EVERY MAN AS HE HAS PURPOSED IN HIS HEART IN KEEPING UP WITH HIS INCOME is what the new testament have for Christians.

4. You connected Abraham tithe AGAIN WITH THE LEVITICAL TITHE and said this is the tithe Christians CONTINUES to give in furthering the gospel. Again, YOU SEE HOW YOU LACE LIES WITH TRUTH by saying we don't tithe as commanded in the law but you returned to the law only keeping the Levitical tithe? If Paul meant tithe in that verse, Paul could have taught tithe to the church. Btw, excuse me, where did the Apostles or Christ received tithe TO FURTHER THE GOSPEL or pay pastors, or rent chairs etc and those things your mentioned up there?

4b. Levites have no inheritance in Israel and you admitted some pastor have jobs. If a pastor has a job, what's his business taking or teaching tithe? I agree pastors are supposed to be supported financially but voluntarily UNDER THE NEW TESTAMENT. The whole argument of support using the Levitical tithe falls to the ground because under the new testament, we are all priest and levites received tithe and give tenth to the priest so we should all be taking tithe. Also, it should be church workers receiVing tithe if we're going to follow the Levitical order NOT THE PASTORS NOT THE PRIESTS.

*** more to respond to but running out of time to go to work ****

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Re: Opinion : Is There Anyone That Can Counter Frz Anti-tithe Allegations ? by God2man(m): 6:46am On Nov 29, 2017
Check some of my post
Re: Opinion : Is There Anyone That Can Counter Frz Anti-tithe Allegations ? by mrborntodoit: 8:04pm On Nov 30, 2017
1StopRudeness:


For starters, tithe is the least issue in God's house and kingdom when compared to other important things. (Jesus himself said so)

Mathew 23v23 clearly records Jesus talking about tithe payment being a part of service in the kingdom though not as important as justice, mercy and faith but should not be left out.



Freeze is just another Judas Iscariot pretending to care about the poor, when really, all he cares about is envy that all the money isn't coming to him.


If freeze that reads his bible with the aim of attacking other Christians is ur yardstick on how u should run your relationship with God.. then you have no business calling yourself a Christian. If u read ur bible and the holy spirit inspires u not to pay tithe, don't pay

It's better not to give at all than to give in doubt or grumbling

I don't know what's all these fuss about tithe being abolished seff!!!
We still do and apply so scriptures in the old testament,
We still pray with ps91 and claim the prophesy of isa and ezekiel,
preach obedience and fear of God which is almost the entire length and breath of the old testament,
Heck!!!! We still obey the 10 commandments..
I don't get why tithe payment is all of a sudden a sin.



read Ephesians 2:8-9.

You can’t earn your way to Heaven by giving and you won’t be excluded from Heaven by your lack of giving.


For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.
Re: Opinion : Is There Anyone That Can Counter Frz Anti-tithe Allegations ? by Nobody: 8:00am On Dec 01, 2017
mrborntodoit:




read Ephesians 2:8-9.

You can’t earn your way to Heaven by giving and you won’t be excluded from Heaven by your lack of giving.


For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.


I'm not getting the correlation of ur comment and mine....do u even understand the topic of this thread.....did u notice anywhere in my post where I wrote giving earns us a way into heaven......
In addition who is giving to earn their way to heaven, or have u heard any pastor preach this crap u just said....cos I don't get ur point at all...

On a general note...if the grace Jesus brought means that u should no longer give......oga stop giving.

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