iliyande:



Yes, Jesus didnt mention anything about trading human,

Hmmmm.........

WORDWORLD:


Hmmmm.........

By this, you have concluded he traded in human like Muhammed?

Both religions took Africans as slaves. Muslims slaves were treated harsher, castrated and simply killed to control their population.

Thank the African rebels of Bastra that made it risky and dangerous for Arabs, even when united against African rule for many years before they restored Arab rule and subdued their African conquerors.

Don't fool yourselves, both Muslims and Christians blessed Africans in deaths and sacrifices.

All races and people practiced slavery but people treated other race or ethnic groups more savagely.

Yet, we still pray and worship in their religions instead of cleaning up ours. Pity.

iliyande:


In summary bro.. The questions are:

Did Mohammed practice slave trade?
Did Mohammed encourage his followers to continue in trading slave like shekau and Co always claimed?
Are those acts of trading human beings in Lybia, Iraq and Sambisa really being inspired by the teachings of Mohammed?
Are those quotes really from mohammed teachings?

Yes, Jesus didnt mention anything about trading human, his teachings are always On Love.

Let's be logical for once, if there was no war in both Libya or Iraq, would you have heard of slave trade? Slave trade practice was a normal way of life the ancient days and biblical time, Abraham the father of faith had a slave (so was is the furore all about), in the time of Jesus it was practiced and not once did he object or speaks against because it was normal in those days of yore.

How does that justify slavery today, especially when most of the victims are either Africans at home or in Diaspora?

dont8:
Let's be logical for once, if there was no war in both Libya or Iraq, would you have heard of slave trade? Slave trade practice was a normal way of life the ancient days and biblical time, Abraham the father of faith had a slave (so was is the furore all about), in the time of Jesus it was practiced and not once did he object or speaks against because it was normal in those days of yore.

Please and please, no one should come here to claim that bible support slavery and ensalvement. OP is simply saying the founder of Christian faiths never encouraged anyone to fight and aquire slave while Islamic founder(Mohamed )expressly encouraged his subjects to do so, if at any points you found slavery acquisition in the Bible, such practice was annulled by Christ message of love, forgiveness and mercy. You guys should simply come up with quranic scriptures to counter OP rather than saying he is misleading people. A typical example of how you guys have been unable to prove that terorism was never founded on radical Islam.

googi:
How does that justify slavery today, especially when most of the victims are either Africans at home or in Diaspora?

Who's justifying that barbaric act by those scallywags, open your mind and purge yourself of this religious extremism. I ask again, before Gaddaffi was overthrown by Obama adminstration, was there slavery in Libya, answer that and we are game.

kingcypress:
OP, why are you hell bent on showing your stupidity? Must you make your delusional life/behaviour public?

Counter him with the truth please.

BlowBack:
Slavery is deeply embedded in Islamic law and tradition. Although a slave-owner is cautioned against treating slaves harshly, basic human rights are not obliged. The very fact that only non-Muslims may be taken as slaves is evidence of Islam's supremacist doctrine.

Of the five references to freeing a slave in the Quran, three are prescribed as punitive measures against the slaveholder for unrelated sin. They limit the emancipation to just a single slave. Another (24:33) appears to allow a slave to buy their own freedom if they are "good." This is in keeping with the traditional Islamic practice of wealth-building through taking and ransoming hostages, which began under Muhammad.

A tiny verse in one of the earliest chapters, 90:13, does say that freeing a slave is good, however, this was "revealed" at a time when the Muslim community was miniscule and several of their new and potential recruits were either actual slaves or newly freed slaves. Many of these same people, and Muhammad himself, later went on to become owners and traders of slaves, both male and female, as they acquired the power to do so (there is no record of Muhammad owning slaves prior to starting Islam). The language of the Quran changed to accommodate slavery, which is why this early verse has had negligible impact on slavery in the Islamic world.

The taking of women and children as slaves, particularly during the conquests outside Arabia, belies the notion that Jihad was being waged in self-defense, since the enemy's families reside neither with the Muslims nor (generally) on the battlefield. These were innocent people captured from their homes and pressed into slavery by Muhammad's companions and successors.

Contrary to popular belief, converting to Islam does not automatically earn a slave his freedom, although freeing a believing slave is said to increase the master's heavenly reward (Muslim slaves are implied in Quran (4:92)). As far as the Islamic courts are concerned, a master may treat his slaves however he chooses without fear of punishment.

By contrast, Christianity was a major impetus in the abolishment of slavery. Abolition had to be imposed on the Islamic world by the European West.

Given that there have never been abolitionary movement within the Islamic world, it is astonishing to see contemporary Muslims write their religion into the history of abolition. It is a lie.

There was no William Wilberforce or Bartoleme de las Casas in Islam. As mentioned, Muhammad, the most revered figure in the religion, practiced and approved of slavery. Even his own pulpit was built with slave labor. Caliphs since have had harems of hundreds, sometimes thousands of young girls and women brought from Christian, Hindu and African lands to serve Islam's religious equivalent of the pope in the most demeaning fashion.

Christianity also supports slavery.

PrecisionFx:



Christianity also supports slavery.

Provide evidence of this.

And why is it that you Muslims will rather refer to Christianity when your religion is on the spotlight?

Defend your religion

jusRadical:



Counter him with the truth please.

Do these children of satan know the truth?

BlowBack:



Provide evidence of this.

And why is it that you Muslims will rather refer to Christianity when your religion is on the spotlight?

Defend your religion

Oga don't even go there, am a deist.

Bible suportd slavery, God set the rules n regulations for slavery in the Bible.

If you like u can educate ur self on that, it's none of my business ........ It's public info, use Google.

PrecisionFx:



Oga don't even go there, am a deist.

Bible suportd slavery, God set the rules n regulations for slavery in the Bible.

If you like u can educate ur self on that, it's none of my business ........ It's public info, use Google.

Rubbish

The simple answer is yes. There was slavery when Gahafi was in power but not specifically by him.

As much as he worked against it, he also used Africans as mercenaries. That led to even worse treatments of Africans during their civil war.

dont8:
Who's justifying that barbaric act by those scallywags, open your mind and purge yourself of this religious extremism. I ask again, before Gaddaffi was overthrown by Obama adminstration, was there slavery in Libya, answer that and we are game.

BlowBack:


Rubbish

naijaking1:


The Root was 300 years ago.
The Op is describing Islam 2017!

everything all hapend during that area perhaps the prophet was not born during our era.

Islam is indeed a curse to the world and its adherents keeps on defending their religion which has also enslaved them by intimidating them not to convert.

If Muslims are given free choice, most will convert to Christianity but they are scared of persecution. So they prefer to remain enslaved to falsehood.

Ken4Christ:
Islam is indeed a curse to the world and its adherents keeps on defending their religion which has also enslaved them by intimidating them not to convert.

If Muslims are given free choice, most will convert to Christianity but they are scared of persecution. So they prefer to remain enslaved to falsehood.

You have to have no conscience to be a Muslim.

Islam is proof that there is such a thing as relative morality.

For people to still think Mohammed was a holy man shows that the world is filled with evil people.

aribisala0:
ATTACK Now I will attack

My mother is crazy she will die barking

YOU DONT MEAN IT

ok since you people have decided to resurrect this fo0lish thread, let me show you some bible verses that some fo0lish people use to support/justify slavery. Those that say and believe the bible does not support slavery should cover their faces/heads in shame. Because it means they don't know the bible beyond the glithering/glowing parts that their pastors read on sunday service

All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.
1 Timothy 6:1

Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.
Colossians 3:22

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
1 Peter 2:18

Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.
1 Corinthians 7:21

In other words, the onus is on the slaves to earn their freedom, why didn't the bible persuade the masters to set them free

AND HERE IS THE FAVOURITE FROM JESUS HIMSELF!!!

47 The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.
48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.
Luke 12:47-48

In other words, the popular phrase - To whom much is given, much is expected - actually came from Jesus's quote (parable) about how a slave should be punished (with some blows) if he does not do what is expected.

Pls note that these are all from NEW TESTAMENTS. So don't bloody come and tell us craps about "old things have passed - we are now in time of grace" bul1sh!t.

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gists:
ok since you people have decided to resurrect this fo0lish thread, let me show you some bible verses that some fo0lish people use to support/justify slavery. Those that say and believe the bible does not support slavery should cover their faces/heads in shame. Because it means they don't know the bible beyond the glithering/glowing parts that their pastors read on sunday service








In other words, the onus is on the slaves to earn their freedom, why didn't the bible persuade the masters to set them free

AND HERE IS THE FAVOURITE FROM JESUS HIMSELF!!!


In other words, the popular phrase - To whom much is given, much is expected - actually came from Jesus's quote (parable) about how a slave should be punished (with some blows) if he does not do what is expected.

Pls note that these are all from NEW TESTAMENTS. So don't bloody come and tell us craps about "old things have passed - we are now in time of grace" bul1sh!t.

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Mohammed with a thief, serial rapist, pedophile, slaver and a big fraud.

ImadeUReadThis:
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Mohammed with a thief, serial rapist, pedophile, slaver and a big fraud.

lol. na so e pain you reach so tey you no even fit counter any of the verses?
btw you have ZERO knowledge of the crap you wrote up there

Bump

Muslims Are Slaves From The Begining, Only allah As The god Of Islam I See Has Many Slaves.. God The Omnipotent, Omniscient, Alpha And Omega Never Created Us To Be His Slaves.. Idol Worshippers Never See Themselves As Slaves To There gods And goddesses

AgentNairaland:
Muslims Are Slaves From The Begining, Only allah As The god Of Islam I See Has Many Slaves.. God The Omnipotent, Omniscient, Alpha And Omega Never Created Us To Be His Slaves.. Idol Worshippers Never See Themselves As Slaves To There gods And goddesses

The word Muslim means one who submits


Submission is not a voluntary action but one that is achieved through violent coercecion

Muslims are born cowards who embraced Islam after being terrorised to do so.

kingxsamz:
stupid op...please if u know nothing about the quaran stop misleading people...your topic itself is misleading....if u have nothing resonable to post today pls u can take a nap... thank you...

Fyi I'm a christian.

Another war is about to start in Libya with ISIS being deployed there enmasse.

They will soon raid your niggeria for slave labour.

OP thanks for this beautiful post, I'm still learning and will appreciate to be your humble learner.
Kindly PM me a soft copy of this holy scripture.

Atenciosamente!

And some ignorant fools will say boko haram terrorist are not real muslims? What an insult to our intelligence.
Boko haram is islam and islam is boko haram.
Religion of peace indeed.

Now I understand why Trump, and government of other civilized nations hates islam

proudlyYoruba:
What do you intend to achieve this? Will blaming a religion stop the next harvest of human parts in Libya? In our very own Nigeria, people of different religion own maids. Sir pls lets be civil some churches in England and Europe were built with slaves labour.

Yaribanza, Oyoruba Muslims renegaded against their own king and people over squabbles on getting into the transatlantic slave trade . Ilorin was once the dominating economic hub of the old Oyo empire dealing mainly with slaves captured and sold to Fulani slavers destined for the Saharan slave trade.

With the opening up of the Atlantic route, Ilorin lost its economic hegemony and the Yoruba Muslims felt lost out.

This is the reason for Afonja's treason.