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| Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by AlBaqir(m): 11:11am On Dec 02, 2017 |
Prostration on Rug, carpet etc # Of the conditions of acceptance of salat is Sajdah (prostration), and most important condition of a correct Sajdah is placing our forehead on the earth, soil, clay, dust, stone or other things that grow out of earth (except eatables). This is a confirmed Sunnah of the Prophet, salallahu alayhi wa ahli. * Unfortunately, this had been erroneously substituted with rug, carpet, synthetic or polished tiles. # One of the foremost student of sheik Ibn Taymiyyah, Imam Ibn Qayyim al-Jawzi writes: "...you will see one of them never praying except on a rug, and the messenger of Allah never ever prayed on a rug and neither had a rug been put for him. Instead he would pray on earth (Ar'd), and he sometimes prostrated on clay (tin) and he used to pray on a (fibre) mat and this mat had gotten black due to usage (for praying), then this mat would be washed with water and he (would) pray on it. He never put a rug or a cloth above this (mat). And sometimes he would prostrate on dust (Turab) and sometimes on the stones, and other times he was prostrating on mud till you could see its effect (marks) on his forehead and nose." Source: Shams al-Din Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyah in his Ighathatul lahfan fi masayed ash-Shaytan; [Investigator: Muhammad Azeez Shams and Mustafa Ibn Sa'eed], page 218. |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by AlBaqir(m): 11:19am On Dec 02, 2017 |
# Allamah al-Albani in his popular Sifat Salat Nabiyy writes: Chapter: Sajdah on the Ground, and on Mats136 He would often prostrate on the (bare) ground. 137 "His Companions would pray with him in the intense heat, so when one of them could not press his forehead against the ground, he would spread his robe and prostrate on that." 138 He also used to say, the whole earth has been made a place of worship (masjid) and a purification for me and my ummah; so wherever prayer becomes due on someone of my ummah, he has his place of worship (masjid) and his purification next to him. Those before me used to think that this was too much: indeed, they would only pray in their churches and synagogues. 139 Sometimes, he would prostrate in mud and water, and that happened to him once at dawn on the twenty-first night of Ramadaan, when it rained and the roof of the mosque, which was made of palm-branches, was washed away. So he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) prostrated in mud and water; Abu Sa'eed al- Khudri said, "So I saw, with my own eyes, the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), with traces of mud and water on his forehead and nose." 140 Also, "he would pray on a khumrah" 141 sometimes, or "on a mat" 142 sometimes, and "he prayed on it once when it had become blackened due to prolonged use." 143 www.qss.org/articles/salah/11.html#RTFToC9 # Imam Bukhari: Chapter: To offer As-Salat (the prayers) on a Khumra (a small mat, hardly sufficient for the face and hands while prostrating during Salat) Narrated Maimuna: Allah's Messenger (s) used to pray on Khumra. Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 381 In-book reference : Book 8, Hadith 33 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 1, Book 8, Hadith 378 https://sunnah.com/bukhari/8/33 # Imam Tirmidhi Chapter: What Has Been Related About Prostrating One the Forehead And The Nose (86) Abu Humaid As-Sa'idi narrated: "When the Prophet would prostrate, he placed his nose and his forehead on the ground (al-ar'd), and he held his forearms away from his sides, and he placed his hands parallel to his shoulders." Grade : Hasan (Darussalam) Reference : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 270 In-book reference : Book 2, Hadith 122 English translation : Vol. 1, Book 2, Hadith 270 https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/2/122 |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by AlBaqir(m): 11:35am On Dec 02, 2017 |
WHAT IS KHUMRAH A khumrah is a piece of matting, palm-fibre, or other material which is big enough for a man to place his face on it in sajdah; the term does not apply to larger pieces. # According to English translator of Sahih Bukhari, Muhsin Khan, he offers this: Khumra (a small mat, hardly sufficient for the face and hands while prostrating during Salat) Source: see above. # Imam Ibn Athir in his Jami al-’Usul has written: “Khumra is [like that] upon which the Shi’ah of our time perform their prostrations.” Ibn al-’Athir, Jami’ al-Usul, (Cairo, 1969), vol. 5, p. 467
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| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by AlBaqir(m): 11:48am On Dec 02, 2017 |
AlBaqir: error4040: # Like I promised you that a thread will be open on the issue, and that you will be tagged. I sincerely hope you've had enough references to prove beyond any shadow of doubt that Nabi NEVER EVER performed his Sujjud on Rug or carpet except Earth, Clay, soil, stone or fibre mat. If you observe, there are lots very wrong things we do not pay Islamic attention to, obviously one of them is this present issue of Sajdah on rug, carpet etc. Another one which is common in especially southwest mosques is a bit high platform where Imam Jama'ah stands on while the ma'mun (followers) pray below. Wa Salam alaykum |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by error4040: 12:42pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
AlBaqir: Praise be to Allaah. praying on rugs is permissible in principle Al-Bukhaari (379) and Muslim (513) narrated that Maymoonah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to pray on a khumrah. A khumrah is a small mat made of palm leaves that is big enough for the face, on which a worshipper may prostrate to protect himself from the heat or coldness of the ground. Al-Khattaabi favoured the view that the khumrah may be bigger than that, and he quoted as evidence the report narrated by Abu Dawood (5247) from Ibn ‘Abbaas, who said: A mouse came and started dragging the wick of the lamp and threw it in front of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), on the khumrah on which he was sitting, and it burned an area the size of a dirham… This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al- albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood , 4369. it says in ‘Awn al-Ma’bood : This clearly shows that the word khumrah may apply to a large mat. This was also stated in al- nihaayah . See Fath al-Baari , 333. Al-Shawkaani said: This hadeeth indicates that there is nothing wrong with praying on a mat, regardless of whether it is made of rags, palm leaves or anything else, whether it is small or big, like a mat or carpet, because it is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of allaah be upon him) prayed on mats, carpets and animal pelts. but there may be some reasons why it is not permissible to pray on carpets and similar things. For example: 1- If the carpet contains images of animate beings; in which case it is haraam to keep them and the images must be lotted out. 2- If the carpet has decorations and patterns that attract the attention of the worshipper and distract him from his prayer; praying on such carpets is makroohh. With regard to pictures of inanimate objects such as mountains, rivers, lakes, plants,trees, houses and so on, so long as there are no images of living beings in or around them, these are permissible, but praying on them is makrooh because they distract the worshipper and detract from his prope focus and humility (khushoo’) in prayer, but his prayer is still valid. Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah , 6/180 They also said: The mosques are the houses of Allaah, built for the establishment of prayer and the glorification of Allaah and the fear of Allaah. Patterns and decorations in the furnishings and on the walls of the mosques are things that distract the heart from the remembrance of Allaah and take away much of the worshippers’ proper focus and humility. Hence they were regarded as makrooh by many of the salaf. so the Muslims should avoid that in their mosques and strive to make their worship perfect by keeping distractions away from the places in which they seek to draw close to Allaah the Lord of the Worlds, hoping to increase their reward. But with regard to praying (on carpets decorated with such patterns), it is valid. 3- If praying on the rug is done in order to avoid praying on the ground. Al-Bukhaari (2036) narrated that Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: We observed i’tikaaf with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) during th middle ten days of Ramadaan, and we came out on the morning of the twentieth. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) addressed us on the morning of the twentieth and said: “I was show Laylat al-Qadr but then I was made to forget it, so seek it in the last ten nights, on the odd-numbered nights. I saw that I was prostrating in water and mud. Whoever was observing i’tikaaf with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), let him go back.” So the people went back to the mosque, and we did not see any trace of a cloud in the sky. Then a cloud came and it rained and the iqaamah for prayer was given, and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prostrated in mud and water until we saw the marks of mud on the tip of his nose and his face. According to a report narrated by Muslim (1167): “And his forehead was covered with mud and water.” This hadeeth points to the humility of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as he prostrated on water and mud, and he did not order that somethin be brought for him to prostrate on. 4- If praying on the rug is done to avoid praying on the carpets that are spread for all the people in the mosque, or if a person does that to be on the safe side becaue there may be some impurity (najaasah) in the ground. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: With regard to those who suffer from extreme waswasah (whispers from the shaytaan), they do not pray on the ground or on the carpets spread out for everyone on the ground, rather they pray on a rug or something similar… Majmoo’ al-Fataawa , 22/177 5- If a man seeks to pray on the rug because he thinks that it is essential to have a rug just for prayer and that he has to pray on something whether he is at home or in the mosque. Many people only ever pray on the rug even if the house is carpeted. Shaykh al-Islam (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Praying on rugs, in the sense that the worshipper insists on that – this was not the way of the salaf, the Muhaajireen and Ansaar and those who followed them in truth at the time of the Messenger of Allaah. Rather they used to pray on the ground in his mosque, and none of them had a rug that was used just for prayer. It was narrated that when ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Mahdi came to Madeenah he spread out a rug, and Maalik ordered that it be taken away. It was said to him, “He is ‘Abd al- Rahmaan ibn Mahdi.” Maalik said, “Do you not know that spreading a rug in our mosque is bid’ah (an innovation)?” Majmoo’ al-Fataawa , 22/163 6- The same applies to the practice in many mosques of having a rug that is just for the imam, which is set out for him to pray on, even though the mosque is carpeted. Why is he distinguished from the other worshippers?? This is not appropriate because there is no need for it, and because that may make him feel somewhat superior to the people. the point is that putting down rugs in a arpeted mosque is a bid’ah unless there is a reason for that, such as it being very cold, or the floor being rough or the first carpet being naajis (impure) or filthy, an so on. And Allaah knows best. Reply. by Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid https://islamqa.info/en/27000 |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by AlBaqir(m): 1:02pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
error4040: # I think you should try and understand the article you have posted from islamqa. * For a fact, 1. they too defined "khumrah" as a mat made of palm fibre. Palm fibre is natural thing that grow out of earth. It is different from Rug and Carpet that are obviously synthetic. 2. Note, we are not talking about praying on mat, carpet, rug or tiles rather we are talking about performing Sajdah (prostration) on earth, dust, clay and khumrah (palm fibre mat) as against on Rug, Carpet and polished or painted tiles. 3. If you read what you have posted very well, islamqa admitted with clear references that Nabi ONLY performed Sajdah on earth, dust, clay and palm fibre. How exactly they tried to smuggle performing Sajdah on synthetic rug and carpet using those clear evidences is where it shows their desperation. |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by error4040: 2:13pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
AlBaqir: Are you trying to say we should be using Kumrah(palm fibre mat ) ? if no Ok please do enlighte me on How the floor of a masjid should look like, since your view is against polished or painted tiles |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by AlBaqir(m): 2:54pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
error4040: # For a fact, that is not my (personal) view, rather it is a clear Sunnah of Nabi Muhammad which even the so-called and self-acclaimed Ahlu Sunnah/Salafi failed woefully in emulating. # As per what you have asked, there are some mosques with granite tiles, cement floors though carpets and rugs are still used but there usually are spaces between two spread rugs/carpets. So, rather than performing Sajdah on that rug/carpet (where you stands), endeavour to place your forehead on the bare floor (made of granite or cement). What about mosques fully carpeted or rugged or tiled with ceramics? I have attached a picture whereby a baked, moulded clay is used for Sajdah in such situation. The saddest truth however is because of people's ignorance and hostility (especially religious intolerance of the so-called Salafi), you will be challenged and attacked and accused of imitating "the Rafidha (Shi'a)" where they will stupidly tell you "they are worshipping stone, clay (from kar'bala)". |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by error4040: 3:11pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
AlBaqir: well Most masjid in abuja Are like this with mostly a space between each carpet/rug tho their are few fully carpeted. may Allah(SW) give us the mind and power to perform our ibadat according to the teaching of the Holy prophet. Ameen and thanks for the knowledge been shared 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 10:03am On Dec 03, 2017 |
LAUGHING . .THIS SHITE WILL JUST DESTROY YOU PEOPLE WITH HIS KUFRU BELIEFS. ALWAYS QUOTING LIES AND FAKE ISNAD. even person wey just start islam today will know this topic is absolutely rubbish. |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 10:08am On Dec 03, 2017 |
IT IS THE IBAADAH THAT YOU MUSNT ALTER . .if u like urself, and you dont wana die a kafir ..visit voiceofthesalaf.com and download lectures on bidia. DO NOT MIND THIS STUPID FOOL KAFIR THAT DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH OR PROPHET MUHAMMAD NOR QURAN OR HADITH. . if u get misguided by his taqiya ...you waste ur life niyen |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 10:12am On Dec 03, 2017 |
Ibaadah of salah is takbir, suratul fathia and an0ther verse, rukuh, standing, sajdah, atahyah and taslim . . . where u will touch ur head, hand, palms, knee, nose with isnt ibaadah . . AS LONG AS ITS CLEAN . .thats all. . . . go learn about what bidia is. . then u will understand clearly . . . |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by AlBaqir(m): 11:23am On Dec 03, 2017 |
ShaheedBinAliyu: # Hmmm You claim to be "Ahlu Sunnah". You proved your so-called Sunnah to the extent that in your view whoever eats with a spoon or fork has committed Bid'ah (because Nabi only used eats with three fingers). So, how come you consider Sajdah on Rug and Carpet as valid when Nabi never ever performed Sajdah on those things? Apart from vast authentic evidences even the student of Ibn Taymiyyah, that is, Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyah confirmed performing Sajdah on Rug and carpet is Bid'ah. Why running away? |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 3:33pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
AlBaqir:Laughing OLODO oshi. .muslims follow dalil NOT ALFA. y spoon is bidia is because it replace rosul command. 3 fingers. rosul never said its a must to do sajdah on earth(ground/dust).. start listening to jabata lectures ki ori e pe... ori e ti doti fun bidia. shia sect na bidia & everything in shia na bidia ..t |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by Empiree: 3:48pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
 ^^ this guy, ehen, seems his brain is suspended between heaven and earth 1 Like |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by AlBaqir(m): 6:39pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
ShaheedBinAliyu: # So, Sunnah is ONLY on what Rasul commanded, not what seen doing throughout his life?! * Anyway, he commanded it. # Also, we do not only quoted your Alfas like Albani And Ibn Qayyim, but also we have provided evidences from sahih ahadith. |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by AlBaqir(m): 6:41pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
Empiree: # Awon rowaniya lo suspend brain yen faah 1 Like |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 7:02pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
AlBaqir:LAUGHING. kini mo fe se si oro re o. . and why are u quoting hadith of we muslims? u d0 n0t believe in it na. why are u quoting aw0n alfa wa? dem be keferi to u na. keep decieving urself. ANYWAY, IF U INSIST D GROUND (EARTH/DUST) IS IBADAH, U WOULD MIX BIDA DUNYA WITH BIDA DEEN TOGETHER. THEREFORE U GUNNA GET LOST JUST LIKE AWONI POPA. u w0nt pray in a m0sk build with bricks, u w0nt wear t.shirt n0r jean n0r use ph0ne and d likes. e lo ko eko. av given u wea to download lectures. OYO LO WA. I WISH ALI WAS ALIVE TO BURN U SHITE LIKE HE DID BACK THEN . .although he sh0uld av killed u people by beaheading ni. . |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by BetaThings: 9:37am On Dec 15, 2017 |
Shias criticise Sunnis AlBaqir: There are two points 1. Shias turbah that they carry around allow them to prostrate on only one bone, instead of 7. Is that salat correct too? There is a debate on this matter here. http://forum.twelvershia.net/general-sunni-vs-shia/turbah-sajdah-to-the-imams*/ 2. The Turbah used by Shias have names of human beings on them. Is that tawheed, or the opposite? http://forum.twelvershia.net/general-sunni-vs-shia/praying-on-turbah-hockey-pucks-an-ugly-innovation/ Finally, this is a video on this matter You will notice from the video that the soil of where Hussein (RA) was buried has become a luck or good fortune amulet for shias https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNjlIbMaZUk |
| Re: Prostration (sajda) On Earth/dust/clay As Against On Rug Or Carpet by AlBaqir(m): 11:24am On Dec 15, 2017 |
BetaThings: # That's rather weird. For a fact, it is the modern day self-acclamined Ahlu Sunnah that do criticised and mock shia for placing forehead on a piece of baked clay. # Secondly, majority of the Sunni scholars of the past warned against the Bid'ah of making Sajdah on carpet and rug. They argued on the basis of several sahih hadiths. So, am afraid the very sympathy you seek do not hold water. BetaThings: # In sahih Bukhari, we read: * Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet said, "I have been ordered to prostrate on seven bones i.e. on the forehead along with the tip of the nose and the Prophet pointed towards his nose, both hands, both knees and the toes of both feet and not to gather the clothes or the hair." Ref: Sahih Bukhari Vol 1, Book 12, No 776 This is also agreed upon in Shi'i book of Hadith and Fiqh {[see: Taudhihul Masael of Ayatullah al-Khoei, section of Sajdatayn (two prostrations)]} # However, what is the meaning of this Hadith in respect to the forehead touching the earth? Naturally the two knees are usually covered by clothes. And for someone that wears pair of socks, his two toes are equally covered. And let's say on a cold winter day, one wears pair of gloves covering his hands (palms). This technically make "6 bones" covered against the earth. # Obviously, the Prophet wear clothes and at least two of his seven bones are covered (i.e knees), and for sure he had a mat on which he prayed meaning that his two toes might not directly touch the earth. What is left and more conspicuous is the FOREHEAD. * Interestingly, all the OP's ahadith submissions only emphasised on "forehead touching the earth, clay, soil". So the idea of other "6 bones specifically touching the earth" does not arise. # Am afraid, what you have copied and pasted from that polemic website is of no use. BetaThings: # Really? Where is it written that having name(s) of "human being" written on a turbah constitute "Tawheed or the opposite"? # For a fact, some Turbah have "Allah" written on them, while others are plain. Pics attached. # Anyway, the fact remain that modern day Sunni should go back to Sunnah by making their Sajdah on the earth, and not on the rug or carpet.
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