GavelSlam:


I love that church.

Used to go there as a kid though I hated it at the time.

Today, it is one church I would recommend to any.

Thanks. They are still preaching the message of salvation freely.
At today's Christmas retreat, students from over 60 schools were provided free transport and free feeding to attend.
Freely we have received, freely we give

neolboy:
Thank God say you no die inside the accident, na the tithe save you

I just wish the guy reasoned up-to this extent

Abudu2000:
Who else was scrolling through the comments just to see if any sheeple would comment?

Some fools will still not receive sense.it is stated in proverbs that even if you crush a fools brain with a pestle his folly will never depart from him. If so funny how freeze has opened my eyes to the scriptures, it's as if I now eat and digest the Bible. Not any fraudster can deceive me again, never.

I am ooo but none has shown up to defend their tithing kingpins

I read on a thread a while ago how a man sowed his entire salary as seed to Shiloh only to lose the job shortly after the program. Also of a lady that sowed her car to her church and returned to using public transport. One day she was going out under the rain, the pastor drove past her with his family in her car and didn't even bother to stop to ask if she needed a lift. Thank goodness the #freethesheeple movement is growing stronger. Enriching a pastor or church does not guarantee riches or luck. More people need to realize this.

Martinez19:
didn't your Bible say that you should not forsake the gathering of the brethren? Christians don't know their bible hence they are not atheists.

The Gathering of the brethren doesn't have to be a physical gathering. And it doesn't have to be a place where you pay because if you don't you'd be said to be
robbing God.

c733d:
Dude is an idiot,he later wanted to delete the tweet. Ranting like you are the first and only person to pay tithes. How much did you even pay? People like you would pay for January and eat the rest for the year. You wanted to turn pastor to social security, better go get a SSN from the Department of State.

LOL, so you agree pastors live lrge on member's tithes? No wonder new churches spring up everywhere and everyday.


If God really calls them, he will provide for them without depending on tithes. Jesus never begged for tithes to survive, Same for his disciples who even left their job.

Danty37:

I just wish the guy reasoned up-to this extent

How could you prove he was saved by the tithe?
Haven't we seen same tithers dyng in accidents while non-tithers are saved in same scene?

zolapower:
I once attended one of the most populous church in Benin along the airport road,directly opposite the local airport . Where I pay my tithe . Each time I don't pay in a month I will sum up the month not paid and pay up in a lump sum ,whenever time permits me to attend a Sunday service . I got a call once from the pastor ,he prayed with me and after my contract work with a politician ended after the last election that brought the incumbent to power , the pastor of that church called wale ajayi cease to call me ever again . Neither was any members of the did so .

Church is a place most of us walk into and join for worship, without being forced, cajoled or dragged...at some point we start to feel some sense of belonging so I understand ur pain and point, I've felt that way too....
but really, I tried putting myself in the pastors shoes and realise calling a member continuously might make him feel I'm calling because he ain't bringing the cash anymore
Like I said earlier because we just walked in, we could have easily gone elsewhere to start worshipping mayb due to change of Job or house location...which as happened to me a couple of times.

There is something I've noticed, tithe or no tithe, the pple pastors and church elders miss their absence and call or even go visit are the seriously regular folks they see almost everyday at all services, so when dey don't see them, they know the person is absent,this hardly happen in large churches, how many pple oyedepo or adeboye wan know (my opinion though)

These days, we Christians form VIP out of our selves just becos we pay tithe, we make it like a bank-customer relationship.."shebi I'm the one feeding the church"....
I just wish the whole church can tell pple to stop paying tithe..big pastors are getting more from pple than tithe, I can't say for all the small churches, that's what's really making them rich....all this 10% are loose change..

Danty37:

I just wish the guy reasoned up-to this extent

There is no reason for him to reason to that level....we don't pay God to save us...we give to the church(the physical body of christ), God doesn't even keep record of our money...he only rewards us with the love in our heart

death is a universal transaction we will all patronise one day....if it's not your time..u get saved, if it's time, no escape...

neolboy:
Thank God say you no die inside the accident, na the tithe save you

This is new ooo.

So u mean tithe allows people to have a very bad accident n break their head and spinal chord and they survive

Not limited to pastors,Alfas and Imams are also very fraudulent.My grouse with Freeze is that he focuses on pastors.

salt1:
This is not a case of 'I'm better than others ".
But just you know that not all churches are in this business of fleecing others.
Apostolic Faith Church with headquarters at Anthony Village doesn't pass collection plates, in fact, hasn't done so for more than 100years.
There is an offering box at the back where people go, at their convenience, to drop their contributions to the church or even gifts for members to ensure anonymity. Nobody knows or keeps a record of who is paying what.

The church organizes evangelism to schools, visits to the blind centres, hospitals and prisons. Gifts of food, clothing and financial support are taken to these places every week.
Apostolic Faith preaches old-fashioned Christian integrity messages and the need to live a transparent Christian life to make heaven.
I know such churches are not very popular because they don't have flamboyant leaders but servant volunteers who, instead of receiving from the flock, are making their tents, (yes many of the pastors are volunteers not on salaries) and supporting others.
As I said, this is just for information and to spare us from making generalizations

Trust me, if Churches were to follow this model, like 90% of the churches we see littering Nigeria would not exist right now. And this is how the church should be: one body that looks out for the welfare of it's members without forcing them to do anything either through use of physical force or emotional duress. But look, our "pastors" are so consumed with enriching themselves, building massive structures and living flamboyant lifestyles that they go over and beyond the dictates of the Bible to extract as much money from people who have so little to give in the first place.

cimag:
Not limited to pastors,Alfas and Imams are also very fraudulent.My grouse with Freeze is that he focuses on pastors.

He says he is a Christian so it's not his business what Alfas and Imams do any more than it is the business of a fish to know what the cattle rearer is up to. Any Muslim that is not happy with their Alfas or Imams should feel free to speak out.

cimag:
Not limited to pastors,Alfas and Imams are also very fraudulent.My grouse with Freeze is that he focuses on pastors.

Imams don't request for a percentage of your income to be paid to them, they don't demand that you sow seeds to the tune of your life savings or earthly belongings. They sometimes do charge to perform special prayers or give lectures. Besides, Freeze is not a Muslim. He has no knowledge of the Quran and Islamic teachings. He backs up his points with verses of the Bible not just random attacks on those pastors. Lastly, we Muslims also criticize our clerics just like how freeze is doing to a set of pastors. So the argument that Freeze should also be attacking Muslim clerics holds no water.

Pascalville:
sorry bro....same happened to my father....before he went broke cos shît happens...my dad donated 2cars and a bus to our church...people hailed him and pastors always come visiting claiming to pray for our family...when problem happened... all including the pastor disappeared...now popsi is strong financially...and my dad's children...are all on their own...now doing well..any pastor that tells me tith and offering doesn't live to see the next day...I swear

Same with my dad. I use am learn lesson.
Every man should work for their money. Including the pastors.

virus05:
No proof, nothing . Anybody can say anything. Anyone can come to social media to talk trash

You should be ashamed of yourself. The guy mentioned the name of the church and its location, but your blindness will not make you free from this bondage.

Do you also know that the preaching of tithe DOES NOT have any biblical proof? They just formulated it and cooked it for you to eat, and you too swallow it like a brainless buffoon without asking if it is Godly or not.

Why not act like the Berean Christians? Why not find out if what your pastor teaches you is right or wrong before you believe it?

Or you feel anything your pastors say is true? You think they can't teach you error? If I were you, I will believe and follow God instead of a pastor.

But I guess you will be too brainless to reason that out.

This is enlightening enough.
Very interesting.
My people need to know they're being used.



post=62919973]Pastor Jones jailed for telling members to tithe 10% of their incomes.

Courtroom exchanges between a Judge of the Law and Pastor Jones.

The truth about tithing
(unknown author)

Judge: Mr. Jones you have been charged with multiple counts of extortion. Your crime spree covers 20 years and thousands of victims. You have defrauded people out of their money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10% of their income as per the LAW to your Regd. organization (called Church) and that God would bless them if they did. You also told them that if they didn't tithe God would curse them.
How do you plead?

Mr. Jones: I plead not guilty your Honor,
I have done nothing wrong. I have only preached what the Bible says. In the Bible Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and God blessed him for his faithful giving. The Bible even says he was rich in silver and gold.

Judge: Is it not true, Mr. Jones, that in Genesis chapter 13 verse 2 the Bible says Abraham was rich with livestock, silver and gold?

Mr. Jones: Yes, you are exactly right, that's what I just told you.

Judge: Ok, we read about Abraham being a rich man in chapter 13 but it is not until Genesis chapter 14 that we read about Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. So Abraham was already a rich man before he tithed to Melchizedek, wasn't he?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose you are right.

Judge: So his riches were not the result of his tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Mr. Jones, you also say God blessed him for his faithful giving. How many times is it recorded that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well, just once.

Judge: So the Bible never said that he gave week after week?

Mr. Jones: No it does not.

Judge: Where did Abraham get the things that he gave to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well the Bible says it was from the plunders of war?

Judge: So you are telling me that he gave from the plunders of war?

Mr. Jones: Yes that's what the Bible says.

Judge: So he basically took things that were not really his in the first place and gave them as the tithe?

Mr. Jones: That is what the scripture seems to indicate.

Judge: Is it recorded that he ever took anything from his own possessions and tithed them to Melchizedek or anyone else?

Mr. Jones: I guess not

Judge: You guess not, you are a teacher and you are only guessing, is it or is it not written that he ever gave any of his own possessions as a tithe to anyone?

Mr. Jones: No it is not written anywhere that I have seen.

Judge: Is it recorded as to what exactly Abraham did give Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: I believe it says plunder?

Judge: So plunder could be any number of things?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose

Judge: It could have been food, cattle, sheep, the people's possessions or any number of things. It does not say it was all money correct?

Mr. Jones: Yes you are correct, it does not say just money

Judge: As a matter of fact money is never mentioned in that account at all is that correct Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor, money is never mentioned just goods and food and people.

Judge: So there is no way you can say with any certainty that Abraham in fact gave Melchizedek any money at all?

Mr. Jones: That is right.

Judge: I only have one last question for you Mr. Jones, did God command Abraham to give this plunder tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No, it appears that he did this voluntarily.

Judge: So are you trying to tell me that because of this voluntary, one time gift by Abraham, that may not have even consisted of money, all Christians everywhere are obligated to bring 10% of their weekly paycheck to a local Regd.Organization-church?
Considering all the evidence I would say you are beyond any shadow of a doubt guilty of deliberately trying to make the scriptures says things they have not said for financial gain.

Mr. Jones: Ok your Honor, I can see how foolish I was to try and use the story of Melchizedeck to try and get the people to tithe money. But there are many other verses that will support my belief on tithing. Jacob said he would give God 10% of everything. I think we should follow his example.

Judge: Let's see what Jacob said. Please read the verse you are talking about for me Mr. Jones.

Mr. Jones: In Genesis chapter 28 starting at verse 20 it says. Jacob vowed a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on, so that I come again to my father's house in peace, and Yahweh will be my God, then this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, will be God's house. Of all that you will give me I will surely give the tenth to you."

Judge: You said we should follow Jacobs example, is that right Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes that is right, he vowed to give a tenth and we should too.

Judge: Let me point out one thing for you Mr. Jones, Jacob said he would Give God a tenth, ONLY if He blessed him first. So as you said previously, we should follow Jacob's example and tell God that we will only give him a tenth if he blesses us first. Is that right?

Mr. Jones: That is not what I meant.

Judge: What did you mean then?

Mr. Jones: That we should give God a tenth also.

Judge: There you go again, trying to make the scripture say what you want it to say for your benefit. I would also like you to tell me the scriptures that say that Jacob kept his vow with God. I would also like to know where he gave the tenth to because there was no temple or levites to give it to at that time.

Mr. Jones: I can not think of any scriptures that say where or if he ever tithed after his vow.

Judge: It seems fairly obvious to me that Jacob made a voluntary and conditional vow to God. This in no way can be used as a reason to demand others to bring their income to you or any other place.

Mr. Jones: I do have a few more scriptures that I believe will show that we are supposed to tithe.

Judge: You have not said anything yet to convince me one little bit that people are obligated to tithe money to the local organizational institutions -churches and that you were justified in what you were doing. You have taken scripture and misapplied it to your beliefs and for your gain. But in order to be fair to you I will allow you to present more evidence.

Mr. Jones: In the book of Malachi chapter 3 starting at verse 8 it says, will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, In what have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now with this, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. So you see your Honor, we are commanded to bring the tithes into the storehouse or God will curse us.

Judge: Answer me this Mr Jones, Who was God Speaking to here?

Mr Jones: To the People of Israel

Judge: Can you please read Malachi 2: 1 Please Mr Jones

Mr Jones: Now This command is for you O PRIEST !!

Judge: Did God stop talking to the Priest in chp. 3 Mr Jones?

Mr Jones: No your Honor!

Judge: Answer me this Mr. Jones, were you aware that God never required anyone to tithe money?

Mr. Jones: No I didn't know that.

Judge: The tithe spoken of here was always edible products never money.

Mr. Jones: well your Honor that is because they didn't have money at the time so God had them tithe food instead.

Judge: Not true, money is first mentioned in Genesis and Malachi was written hundreds of years later. God had them bring food in so that the levites, the fatherless and widows may eat and be satisfied. The tithe was used mainly to take care of people. Also notice it says in the verse you quoted, that there may be food in my house. The food was the tithe. How do you completely overlook the word food in those verses?

Mr. Jones: I don't know

Judge: I also want you to know that these verses speak to nation under the Old Testament law. As you may or may not know Jesus fulfilled the law, it is no longer binding.
Once again you have tried to completely take a scripture out of context and apply it to others for your benefit. Can you give me a single scripture where God changed the tithe from food to money?

Mr. Jones: I do not know of any.

Judge: So if God never changed it from food to money who did?

Mr. Jones: Man must have.

Judge: So far all you have done Mr. Jones, is take Old Testament scriptures out of context and try to apply it to believers under the New Covenant. Is this all the proof you have?

Mr. Jones: I do have a New Testament scripture that will show that Jesus told us to tithe.

Judge: Ok let me hear it.

Mr. Jones: Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone. See Jesus said we should be tithing.

Judge: Let me ask you a question, who was Jesus talking to?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says the Scribes and Pharisees.

Judge: Are you a scribe or Pharisee?

Mr. Jones: Of course not.

Judge: Jesus also said in that passage, you have left undone the weightier matters of the law. Are we under the law Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Why not?

Mr. Jones: Because Jesus fulfilled it.

Judge: When did Jesus fulfill the law?

Mr. Jones: When He was crucified.

Judge: So the law was still in effect until Jesus death?

Mr. Jones: That is correct.

Judge: I think you know where I am going with this don't you?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor. Since Jesus had not yet been crucified and the law was still binding the Pharisees were required to tithe because it was part of the law. Once the law ended, tithing ended also.

Judge: I want you to take a look at that verse again. Also tell me, what were they tithing?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says it was mint, dill and cumin.

Judge: Is money mentioned?

Mr. Jones: No it was not.

Judge: Once again it was edible products that they were tithing, not money. Do you have anything else you would like to say?

Mr. Jones: If people only tithed edible products like the scripture says, then how would the church survive? We have our mortgage payment, utility bills, staff salary and a host of other things that we have to pay each week. We depend on the money from the people.

Judge:By "church" you mean your organization isn't it Mr Jones ?
-The need does not justify the means. In other words, just because you have all these debts does not give you the right to twist and manipulate scripture and cause people to give under fear of being cursed by God to meet your needs. Does It Mr Jones?
In closing, let me recap a few things for you Mr. Jones.
-The tithe was never money;
-The tithe was an Old Testament law, which is no longer binding. When it was binding the tithe was used to take care of people, not buildings.
- We are under a new covenant now.
Paul instructs the Corinthian believers how they are to give. He says in second Corinthians chapter 9 verse 7, Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver. So each believer is supposed to give as he or she has determined in his or her heart.
If they determine to Give 10% well and good, If they keep aside some every week to meet this more better.If you are trying to make people give under the threat of being cursed or any other reason even blessing, you are wrong. Someone can not give cheerfully if they are being forced to give. If 'your church can not survive on freewill offerings maybe God is not part of your church at all.
Mr Jones, Do you intentionally put your people under a Curse or a Bondage?

Mr Jones: Of Course Not !!

Judge: Can you Read in context Gal 3:10-11 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them ....
AND
Gal 5:1-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....

Mr. Jones: I never realized all these things, I have always been taught that we had to tithe money to the local church and that is what I have always taught. I can see now that I was completely wrong. I did not study the scripture for myself, I only took mans word for it.
Yes ' am guilty. I will not teach this error anymore.

Sentencing....... All Arise .......

Let here ur take on this?......[/quote]

wolextayo:
Tithing has been going viral in twitter as another man claimed pastors never checked on him after losing his job.


See reactions below


Source : https://twitter.com/yemicastano/status/936533549842423809

Its not new. I was at RCCG, Jesus House Amsterdam and the Sunday I paid tithe, my car engine got knocked the next day. My car is the only means of me keeping a job.

I went to the pastor to remind him all he preached about tithe blocking the leakages in out finances. Why would my car engine got broken after paying tithe instead of God enhancing my car as my means of going to work to get income. The pastor said I did not have faith while paying tithe.

Really? Kai pastor. I paid close to 300 Euros as tithe yet I did not have faith? I must be ignorant then.

From.then till date, I have not paid tithe to anyone and have prospered massively.

A banker friend who once asked me if I don't pay tithe because things were rough once, is the one who always beg me to transfer my funds to his bank for him to manage to enhance his career. I have refused to remind him that I have prospered this much without paying tithe.

God has seen my faithfulness to him, toy relatives, friends and less privilege and has rewarded my hard work and good strategy.

Believe in God and not man and tithe. Bill Gates don't pay no tithe. Dangote don't pay no tithe.

No one can bribe God. God does not even recognise naira.

DB

BIGTinfotech:
That's just one in a million churches.


By the way, some of us have chosen not to speak on the matter as to whether it is right or not right.

Our Lord Jesus said give unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's, and I don't know why TiThing should cause a fuss or buzz.

If the scripture you quote means what you are portraying, then I can as well give a bribe and say I'm giving unto Cesar... The stupidity of you Pentecostals is alarming. See the way you are turning Bible upside down just to defend a shameless thief calling himself a pastor.

Or probably you are too spiritually daft to understand what you are quoting.

salt1:
This is not a case of 'I'm better than others ".
But just you know that not all churches are in this business of fleecing others.
Apostolic Faith Church with headquarters at Anthony Village doesn't pass collection plates, in fact, hasn't done so for more than 100years.
There is an offering box at the back where people go, at their convenience, to drop their contributions to the church or even gifts for members to ensure anonymity. Nobody knows or keeps a record of who is paying what.

The church organizes evangelism to schools, visits to the blind centres, hospitals and prisons. Gifts of food, clothing and financial support are taken to these places every week.
Apostolic Faith preaches old-fashioned Christian integrity messages and the need to live a transparent Christian life to make heaven.
I know such churches are not very popular because they don't have flamboyant leaders but servant volunteers who, instead of receiving from the flock, are making their tents, (yes many of the pastors are volunteers not on salaries) and supporting others.
As I said, this is just for information and to spare us from making generalizations

Thanks for sharing this information... honestly i am tired of all this family church business, pastor passes over church to wife, wife passes to son or daughter and so goes on the cycle... it just feels more like a commercial venture...

wolextayo:
Tithing has been going viral in twitter as another man claimed pastors never checked on him after losing his job.


See reactions below


Source : https://twitter.com/yemicastano/status/936533549842423809

Its not new. I was at RCCG, Jesus House Amsterdam and the Sunday I paid tithe, my car engine got knocked the next day. My car is the only means of me keeping a job.

I went to the pastor to remind him all he preached about tithe blocking the leakages in out finances. Why would my car engine got broken after paying tithe instead of God enhancing my car as my means of going to work to get income. The pastor said I did not have faith while paying tithe.

Really? Kai pastor. I paid close to 300 Euros as tithe yet I did not have faith? I must be ignorant then.

From.then till date, I have not paid tithe to anyone and have prospered massively.

A banker friend who once asked me if I don't pay tithe because things were rough once, is the one who always beg me to transfer my funds to his bank for him to manage to enhance his career. I have refused to remind him that I have prospered this much without paying tithe.

God has seen my faithfulness to him, toy relatives, friends and less privilege and has rewarded my hard work and good strategy.

Believe in God and not man and tithe. Bill Gates don't pay no tithe. Dangote don't pay no tithe.

No one can bribe God. God does not even recognise naira.

boringnigerian:


Trust me, if Churches were to follow this model, like 90% of the churches we see littering Nigeria would not exist right now. And this is how the church should be: one body that looks out for the welfare of it's members without forcing them to do anything either through use of physical force or emotional duress. But look, our "pastors" are so consumed with enriching themselves, building massive structures and living flamboyant lifestyles that they go over and beyond the dictates of the Bible to extract as much money from people who have so little to give in the first place.

Apostolic Faith is a real church of Jesus Christ where they preach salvation and making heaven, I am sure. Not this bunch of prosperity preaching pastor eating tithe churches.

nairanaira12:


You should be ashamed of yourself. The guy mentioned the name of the church and its location, but your blindness will not make you free from this bondage.

Do you also know that the preaching of tithe DOES NOT have any biblical proof? They just formulated it and cooked it for you to eat, and you too swallow it like a brainless buffoon without asking if it is Godly or not.

Why not act like the Berean Christians? Why not find out if what your pastor teaches you is right or wrong before you believe it?

Or you feel anything your pastors say is true? You think they can't teach you error? If I were you, I will believe and follow God instead of a pastor.

But I guess you will be too brainless to reason that out.

Ok. I'm @ home, Come and stop me from paying tithe or listening to my pastor

peeps4u:


LOL, so you agree pastors live lrge on member's tithes? No wonder new churches spring up everywhere and everyday.


If God really calls them, he will provide for them without depending on tithes. Jesus never begged for tithes to survive, Same for his disciples who even left their job.

Haba you want your modern day pastor to live on locusts and wild honey just like John the Baptist.. this is really unfair, kindly pay all your tithes and accruals, our modern pastor deserve nothing less than caviar & royal jelly

Matthew 25:35-45..... why some pastor select places in bible or what does this teaching mean?

virus05:

Ok. I'm @ home, Come and stop me from paying tithe or listening to my pastor

Of course, you are free to continue in your stupidity.

Pay tithe for ever, it won't make you rich or take you to heaven. You can pay tithe and still end up in hell fire.

Christian learn to give with sense by studying your bible and understanding it goodly, stop too much trusting of deceptive sermons of selfish pastors.

Apparently it would be stupidity on my part engaging you in a topic like this. It's clearly obvious where you're coming from and your background.

Next time don't quote me and spew ignorance

nairanaira12:


If the scripture you quote means what you are portraying, then I can as well give a bribe and say I'm giving unto Cesar... The stupidity of you Pentecostals is alarming. See the way you are turning Bible upside down just to defend a shameless thief calling himself a pastor.

Or probably you are too spiritually daft to understand what you are quoting.

Obviously you don't go to church let alone read your bible

STARKACE:
bulshit, Jesus died many many years before ceaser was born. Get your facts right, don't just spit shit cos you hear others doing so.

dotch:
The fire freeze started will soon consume him.
Putting the cart before the horse
Throwing the baby with the bathwater
Paying tithe doesn't guarantee you a place in heaven,[b]] but is necessary for the progress of the church.[/b

Stop it right there, For which progress of which church? Do you know the advent of Christianity in Africa came from Catholic church? Those early Rev Fathers and Mothers sailed thousand of miles to bring Christianity to us, so many of them died of malaria and other diseases and they never relented, they left all they had to spread the gospel, For your information, the catholic church do not accept tithe as it is not part of their doctrine, they gave FREE schools, Hospitals etc, My Late dad benefited from the free school at Ondo, John Bosco School and he was even sent abroad on scholarship to the UK to further more, I also benefited from the missionary health care, free medical care for over 10 years, so STOP saying tithe is for the progress of the church,Read your bible very well

Nahh, it's the same scripture that advises us to stay away from endless and meaningless arguments.

Ace2013:
You refused not to speak on the matter because you are lukewarm just as mentioned in the same scripture.

Why are we so eager to discourage people from paying tithes. Why not allow people make and take decisions themselves. Why outrightly condem tithing because you don't support it or don't believe in it. For those who believe, they have their reasons, we shouldn't impose our thoughts on others or make them feel like fools because they ain't buying into your suppose line of thoughts on a matter.

BIGTinfotech:
Apparently it would be stupidity on my part engaging you in a topic like this. It's clearly obvious where you're coming from and your background.

Next time don't quote me and spew ignorance

Waka. Pastor slave. Prove tithing by the scriptures or keep your slave mouth shut.

Just going around quoting scriptures upside down. " give unto Cesar...... " .I've never seen this manner of self imposed blindness before.