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Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by Diademk07: 2:45pm On Dec 20, 2017
udatso:

I really do not know what is wrong with you. You have been told he is not a muslim. He has equally confessed to you that he is not a Muslim. you would have saved yourself this embarrassment by simply viewing his profile. Active members of religion section know he is not a Muslim. So the fact that you keep insisting he is with so much confidence baffles me.

His previous posts confirmed that AgentOfAllah is a muslim! Or should I say was because he's always swinging between atheism and Islam!

Confused fellow.
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by Diademk07: 2:52pm On Dec 20, 2017
AgentOfAllah:

No rule can surpass the constitution. Banks are private institutions, banking is a profession. There is no rule that prevents a trained banker from receiving their certificate because of the way they are dressed. Private banks may exist that impose particular dress codes. At the same time, private banks may also exist that allow masquerades in their workforce. Likewise, legal practices may exist that allow or disallow hijab, but it is unconstitutional to deny someone the right to practice because of their hijab. Look up corporate personhood.

As was I.


Well, again, what constitutes wisdom is relative. In your mind she may lack it, but in hers, she's done the wise thing.


No! Of what relevance is it?


Okay then. It's on social media, it's got to be true!


"Some"? So who or what draws the line on which of your constitutional rights can be violated and which can't? You're jumbling many unrelated things, my friend! Listen, it's simple. You have the right to dress like a disheveled hobo if you like. Likewise, a private institution has the right to disallow disheveled hobos from accessing its property. But constitutionally, there can be no rule that says you cannot become a lawyer because you're dressed like a hobo. If any such rule exists, then it can be, and must be challenged!


Having argued for the unconstitutionality of the rule, I think the nature of this challenge preponderates such an agreement. It's not like if you want to become a practicing lawyer in Nigeria, without taking off your hijab, you have much of a choice. This lack of choice is what needs challenging. In essence, the constitutionality of such rules is questionable! If a rule is found to be illegal, then, by association, any agreement perpetuating such a rule becomes null and void!

Get back talking when the constitution supersede Sharia law court rule of exclusion of females in the practise!

If not, shut the fvck up!

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Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by udatso: 2:55pm On Dec 20, 2017
Diademk07:


His previous posts confirmed that AgentOfAllah is a muslim! Or should I say was because he's always swinging between atheism and Islam!

Confused fellow.
the last time I read his comment where he denied being a Muslim cos he renounced it was in 2014. From 2014 till now, there is no record of him reverting to Islam.
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by Diademk07: 2:57pm On Dec 20, 2017
udatso:
the last time I read his comment where he denied being a Muslim cos he renounced it was in 2014. From 2014 till now, there is no record of him reverting to Islam.

A muslim he's still is if he can't show his stand as an atheist!

You can't be swinging here nor there yet claiming to be something else you're not! He's just showing his stupidity!
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by udatso: 3:42pm On Dec 20, 2017
Diademk07:


A muslim he's still is if he can't show his stand as an atheist!

You can't be swinging here nor there yet claiming to be something else you're not! He's just showing his stupidity!
did you even consider that he could be in between. His stand is clear that he isn't a Muslim as he confessed himself. So what do we care Whether he is swinging or dangling
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by Diademk07: 4:16pm On Dec 20, 2017
udatso:
did you even consider that he could be in between. His stand is clear that he isn't a Muslim as he confessed himself. So what do we care Whether he is swinging or dangling

Nothing in between! You're this or that!

He's still a muslim! He's just being dishonest. When your attitude shows your inclination towards an ideology, then you're definitely what that ideology is, not what you claim to be.

If AgentOfAllah is really an atheist, no one would take him for a muslim like many did on this thread.
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by udatso: 4:31pm On Dec 20, 2017
Diademk07:


Nothing in between! You're this or that!

He's still a muslim! He's just being dishonest. When your attitude shows your inclination towards an ideology, then you're definitely what that ideology is, not what you claim to be.

If AgentOfAllah is really an atheist, no one would take him for a muslim like many did on this thread.
What he is, isn't clear, but what he isn't is a Muslim and that's clear. Hid moniker can easily be mistaken for that of a Muslim. And mind you I am not insisting on him being an athiest. You are.
As far as Islam is concerned, he isn't a Muslim. You can speak for atheists but stop trying to dump him for us. We have procedures for being a Muslim after you have renounced
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by Diademk07: 4:39pm On Dec 20, 2017
udatso:

What he is, isn't clear, but what he isn't is a Muslim and that's clear. Hid moniker can easily be mistaken for that of a Muslim. And mind you I am not insisting on him being an athiest. You are.
As far as Islam is concerned, he isn't a Muslim. You can speak for atheists but stop trying to dump him for us. We have procedures for being a Muslim after you have renounced

Procedures for being a muslim? Kwa!

Abeg, one fact I know is that his brain is still full of islamic ideologies even if he claims to be not.

He's definitely not an atheist but a muslim! Such person is even dangerous because you would think he's what he claimed to be while not knowing he's something else!
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by udatso: 4:45pm On Dec 20, 2017
Diademk07:


Procedures for being a muslim? Kwa!

Abeg, one fact I know is that his brain is still full of islamic ideologies even if he claims to be not.

He's definitely not an atheist but a muslim! Such person is even dangerous because you would think he's what he claimed to be while not knowing he's something else!
Have a nice day
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by tintingz(m): 6:10pm On Dec 20, 2017
AgentOfAllah:

No rule can surpass the constitution. Banks are private institutions, banking is a profession. There is no rule that prevents a trained banker from receiving their certificate because of the way they are dressed. Private banks may exist that impose particular dress codes. At the same time, private banks may also exist that allow masquerades in their workforce. Likewise, legal practices may exist that allow or disallow hijab, but it is unconstitutional to deny someone the right to practice because of their hijab. Look up corporate personhood.
You're not getting the whole thing, it's either you don't get what I'm saying or you understand but just want to argue to stay relevant.

Since you have problem with private organization, maybe public organization will be a good example, every organization have code of conduct, before one is employed or given admission, they must fill agreement/consent form, you're agreeing the rules and regulations of the organization can surpass some of your constitutional rights(maybe using supersede is the right word) and one has to abide to the rules or face sanctions (suspension, termination etc), it doesn't mean your constitutional rights is caged somewhere, you still have freedom to quit the job.

If the Nigeria military said no hijab on uniform then one has no other choice than to abide to rules or face sanctions, it doesn't mean one can't wear her hijab again, they just don't want the person wearing it on uniform, you still have freedom and constitutional rights to protest!


As was I.

Well, again, what constitutes wisdom is relative. In your mind she may lack it, but in hers, she's done the wise thing.
And did she achieve the goal of the call to bar?!


No! Of what relevance is it?
He gave more Revelation about the saga.


Okay then. It's on social media, it's got to be true!
Never said this!


"Some"? So who or what draws the line on which of your constitutional rights can be violated and which can't? You're jumbling many unrelated things, my friend! Listen, it's simple. You have the right to dress like a disheveled hobo if you like. Likewise, a private institution has the right to disallow disheveled hobos from accessing its property. But constitutionally, there can be no rule that says you cannot become a lawyer because you're dressed like a hobo. If any such rule exists, then it can be, and must be challenged!
Oga, There are no rules that says you cannot become a lawyer but there are rules you should know before entering the law field, there are rules lawyers must abide to.


Having argued for the unconstitutionality of the rule, I think the nature of this challenge preponderates such an agreement. It's not like if you want to become a practicing lawyer in Nigeria, without taking off your hijab, you have much of a choice. This lack of choice is what needs challenging. In essence, the constitutionality of such rules is questionable! If a rule is found to be illegal, then, by association, any agreement perpetuating such a rule becomes null and void!
Exactly, if you want Firdaus to challenge the rules in the court of not allowing her choice to use Hijab then sango worshippers, Ifa people, masquerades should do same, I've no problem with this at all. Equality for all! cheesy
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by edimolu(m): 6:37pm On Dec 20, 2017
Tozara:
Lol. grin

Good morning, bro. How your side?
Good evening fam, great af... and yours?
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by AgentOfAllah: 6:59pm On Dec 20, 2017
You know you have made it in life when people waste so much energy debating you! While I am obviously basking in the attention, I feel entitled to contribute to debates about me.

Muslim or not?
A few people on this thread have vehemently insisted that I am Muslim, even against my own express testimony otherwise. On this note, I don't feel obliged to prove to anybody that I am anything. Everyone is perfectly entitled to believe I am whatever they want me to be, including, but not limited to Muslim, Christian, Confucian, Buddhist, Jew, Taoist, Spiritualist, Awoist, Diviner, Muhammed, Allah, Black Jesu, Zeitgeist, apologist, socialist, dentist, specialist, Schindler's list and any other thingumajig on that endless list of "-ists".
The truth is, I can understand why people feel the need to force "the other" into their little compartmentalised boxes of things, because I have been there myself. This need seems inexorably biological, and is usually accentuated in minds that have been dangerously tribalised by the polarised atmosphere in which they exist. It takes a lot of unlearning to tame. Richard Dawkins once described it as the "tyranny of the discontinuous mind" in a fantastically written editorial that may yet help to disabuse our minds of this progress-inhibiting obsession.

Where does discontinuous mindedness lead?
The every perception of the discrete minded becomes inescapably binary because nothing can escape the tainted filters of their worldview. Everything becomes either this or that. If you support gay rights, you're gay; if you support a Muslim woman's right to wear hijab, you're a Muslim (possibly also a woman); if you support ogbanje rights, you're abiku (kill the witch!). It should come as no surprise that such people should lack an appreciation for the not so subliminal distinctions between principled objectivity and tribal association. If we cannot turn off our tribal filters to appreciate the fine diversities of life, we will be stuck in our little echo chambers, forever believing our reechoed voices are god's certificate of approval. Well, to believe one's self to be infallible, even against clear evidence makes one impervious to reason; thus unable to learn, grow and become a better version of themselves.

What I stand for
In summary, one does not have to hold, or even like an opinion, to recognise the rights of other people to hold or like said opinions. I have just convinced myself that no one should be shamed for forcing me to spell out this painfully obvious banality, because there just might be that one person who, for no fault of theirs, has never realised that humans tend to see things through tribal filters.
Let me be clear: My view about hijab isn't inconsistent with what my state of belief is; that is, I hate the idea/or thinking that prompts anyone to voluntarily wear it; be it to guard their "chastity" against the prying eyes of lascivious men or to please sky daddy. At the same time, my view about anybody's right to wear hijab isn't inconsistent with my liberal and pluralist principle, which is that anybody has the right to wear her hijab if she strongly believes in its importance. Ergo, I will give whatever I can, however little, to support their fight if such a right is violated, neither compromising my atheistic view nor my liberal one.
It would have been easy for me to keep quiet and allow the whole thing to blow over, but I didn't because this whole brouhaha violates my principles...like Wole Syinka once said, "The man dies in all who keep silent in the face of tyranny."

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Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by AgentOfAllah: 6:14am On Dec 21, 2017
tintingz:
You're not getting the whole thing, it's either you don't get what I'm saying or you understand but just want to argue to stay relevant.
Lol...I really don't get the whole thing because your arguments are incoherent, but I'll also go with the latter...I just want to argue to stay relevant too.

Since you have problem with private organization, maybe public organization will be a good example, every organization have code of conduct, before one is employed or given admission, they must fill agreement/consent form, you're agreeing the rules and regulations of the organization can surpass some of your constitutional rights(maybe using supersede is the right word) and one has to abide to the rules or face sanctions (suspension, termination etc), it doesn't mean your constitutional rights is caged somewhere, you still have freedom to quit the job.

If the Nigeria military said no hijab on uniform then one has no other choice than to abide to rules or face sanctions, it doesn't mean one can't wear her hijab again, they just don't want the person wearing it on uniform, you still have freedom and constitutional rights to protest!
You sound confused man. First you say one has no choice but to abide, then you acknowledge that they still have the freedom to protest. Isn't the latter a choice? And if you believe they have the freedom to protest, what exactly is your argument against Firdaus?

And did she achieve the goal of the call to bar?!
Like I said earlier, she still has her whole life ahead of her. A goal doesn't have to be time stamped. Moreover, maybe she considers this fight a momentarily more rewarding goal than being called to bar. So, stop behaving as if you know what her goals are.

He gave more Revelation about the saga.
Being friends with Buhari's daughter doesn't automatically qualify anybody's opinion as relevant. So, unless there's something interesting he said which you wish to call my attention to, I don't care.

Never said this!
Good, then don't invoke social media gossips as valid arguments!

Oga, There are no rules that says you cannot become a lawyer but there are rules you should know before entering the law field, there are rules lawyers must abide to.
A rule that disqualifies you from receiving your law certificate because you refuse to remove your hijab is a rule that says you cannot become a lawyer if you wear your hijab. Take a moment to process that.

Exactly, if you want Firdaus to challenge the rules in the court of not allowing her choice to use Hijab then sango worshippers, Ifa people, masquerades should do same, I've no problem with this at all. Equality for all! cheesy
You keep repeating this as if you expect me to argue against. Equality for all is what I've been saying all along. Yes, I'll very happily lend equal support to any Sango, ifa, masquerade, obatala, Viking or Scotsman that wants to become a lawyer dressed as whatever.
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by tintingz(m): 6:57am On Dec 21, 2017
AgentOfAllah:

Lol...I really don't get the whole thing because your arguments are incoherent, but I'll also go with the latter...I just want to argue to stay relevant too.
Good you're honest about it.


You sound confused man. First you say one has no choice but to abide, then you acknowledge that they still have the freedom to protest. Isn't the latter a choice? And if you believe they have the freedom to protest, what exactly is your argument against Firdaus?
Obey before complain! That's the rule.

One wants to join the military he/she is already protesting about wearing ankara on top uniform, where does that happen?

Your choice is limited when you signed the agreement/consented form, do you see public workers protesting on everything? Oga I'm not confused, you simply don't get the whole thing, people who protest are even at risk of sanctions(e.g government might not pay them salaries and sack them, like the case of the doctors strike).


Like I said earlier, she still has her whole life ahead of her. A goal doesn't have to be time stamped. Moreover, maybe she considers this fight a momentarily more rewarding goal than being called to bar. So, stop behaving as if you know what her goals are.
The fact still remains, she's denied to be called to bar, is that not the goal she went into law school? There are other open doors for her, but we're talking about what she studied for 6 years!


Being friends with Buhari's daughter doesn't automatically qualify anybody's opinion as relevant. So, unless there's something interesting he said which you wish to call my attention to, I don't care.
Ok


Good, then don't invoke social media gossips as valid arguments!
And who said social media reports can't be valid? Did you do investigation on it? Like I said also, I don't know how worthy the report is.


A rule that disqualifies you from receiving your law certificate because you refuse to remove your hijab is a rule that says you cannot become a lawyer if you wear your hijab. Take a moment to process that.
The rule that said, "do you accept to abide to the rules and regulations of the so so so" can you also take a moment to process that? undecided


You keep repeating this as if you expect me to argue against. Equality for all is what I've been saying all along. Yes, I'll very happily lend equal support to any Sango, ifa, masquerade, obatala, Viking or Scotsman that wants to become a lawyer dressed as whatever.
Ok. smiley
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by firstolalekan(m): 7:06am On Dec 21, 2017
Limitednow:
Just tell us you need an Islamic state.

There is no difference between you and boko haram!

Are Muslim women supposed to have formal education according to Allah sef?

Nonsense!
you must be a bastard dolt.
hopeless fool.
where is formal education in your bible.
fool
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by AgentOfAllah: 8:13am On Dec 21, 2017
tintingz:
Good you're honest about it.
#TeamHonesty

Obey before complain! That's the rule.
Which rule? grin You're stuck in the age of juntas...lol

One wants to join the military he/she is already protesting about wearing ankara on top uniform, where does that happen?
In societies that abide by constitutional democracy. It's a fine thing, democracy!

Your choice is limited when you signed the agreement/consented form
We're going in circles!

do you see public workers protesting on everything?
Of what relevance is this question?

Oga I'm not confused, you simply don't get the whole thing, people who protest are even at risk of sanctions(e.g government might not pay them salaries and sack them, like the case of the doctors strike).
So might is right then?

The fact still remains, she's denied to be called to bar, is that not the goal she went into law school? There are other open doors for her, but we're talking about what she studied for 6 years!
Yeah, that's the fact!

And who said social media reports can't be valid? Did you do investigation on it? Like I said also, I don't know how worthy the report is.
Nope, I did not investigate it. Then again, it wasn't me who brought up an unverified gossip as an argument in the first place. It's simple: If you don't know how worthy a report is, don't use it as an argument in support of your position.

The rule that said, "do you accept to abide to the rules and regulations of the so so so" can you also take a moment to process that? undecided
Wait a minute...okay, I've just processed it, and I still maintain that such a rule is null and void if it violates the constitution!
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by Nobody: 8:45am On Dec 21, 2017
edimolu:

Good evening fam, great af... and yours?
Great too, boss. A new dawn it is. How're you doing today?
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by Diademk07: 9:41am On Dec 21, 2017
AgentOfAllah:
You know you have made it in life when people waste so much energy debating you! While I am obviously basking in the attention, I feel entitled to contribute to debates about me.

Muslim or not?
A few people on this thread have vehemently insisted that I am Muslim, even against my own express testimony otherwise. On this note, I don't feel obliged to prove to anybody that I am anything. Everyone is perfectly entitled to believe I am whatever they want me to be, including, but not limited to Muslim, Christian, Confucian, Buddhist, Jew, Taoist, Spiritualist, Awoist, Diviner, Muhammed, Allah, Black Jesu, Zeitgeist, apologist, socialist, dentist, specialist, Schindler's list and any other thingumajig on that endless list of "-ists".
The truth is, I can understand why people feel the need to force "the other" into their little compartmentalised boxes of things, because I have been there myself. This need seems inexorably biological, and is usually accentuated in minds that have been dangerously tribalised by the polarised atmosphere in which they exist. It takes a lot of unlearning to tame. Richard Dawkins once described it as the "tyranny of the discontinuous mind" in a fantastically written editorial that may yet help to disabuse our minds of this progress-inhibiting obsession.

Where does discontinuous mindedness lead?
The every perception of the discrete minded becomes inescapably binary because nothing can escape the tainted filters of their worldview. Everything becomes either this or that. If you support gay rights, you're gay; if you support a Muslim woman's right to wear hijab, you're a Muslim (possibly also a woman); if you support ogbanje rights, you're abiku (kill the witch!). It should come as no surprise that such people should lack an appreciation for the not so subliminal distinctions between principled objectivity and tribal association. If we cannot turn off our tribal filters to appreciate the fine diversities of life, we will be stuck in our little echo chambers, forever believing our reechoed voices are god's certificate of approval. Well, to believe one's self to be infallible, even against clear evidence makes one impervious to reason; thus unable to learn, grow and become a better version of themselves.

What I stand for
In summary, one does not have to hold, or even like an opinion, to recognise the rights of other people to hold or like said opinions. I have just convinced myself that no one should be shamed for forcing me to spell out this painfully obvious banality, because there just might be that one person who, for no fault of theirs, has never realised that humans tend to see things through tribal filters.
Let me be clear: My view about hijab isn't inconsistent with what my state of belief is; that is, I hate the idea/or thinking that prompts anyone to voluntarily wear it; be it to guard their "chastity" against the prying eyes of lascivious men or to please sky daddy. At the same time, my view about anybody's right to wear hijab isn't inconsistent with my liberal and pluralist principle, which is that anybody has the right to wear her hijab if she strongly believes in its importance. Ergo, I will give whatever I can, however little, to support their fight if such a right is violated, neither compromising my atheistic view nor my liberal one.
It would have been easy for me to keep quiet and allow the whole thing to blow over, but I didn't because this whole brouhaha violates my principles...like Wole Syinka once said, "The man dies in all who keep silent in the face of tyranny."

Lmao..

I hardly know you btw nor do I care to know an hypocrite like you. The fact is I hate the act of stupidity and you stuck out like a sore thumb, hence why I was fixated on you.

You are either this or that but when you keep lying about what you're not, then you're nothing other than acting your stupidity!

If the arabian hijab wearer knew the right of an institution violates her religion right, why did she apply into such institution in the first place? Is she not disrespecting her arabian god to have chosen to enrol into such institution? Or are you saying the institution doesn't have a right as well?

Let me remind you that just as Nigeria constitution gave every Nigerian a right to a religion, the same constitution gave a right to every institution to make a rule that suits them. The faster you get that facts sunk into head, the better!

Hence, the reason why Sharia law court has a right to make a rule for the exclusion of females into their law practise! Did you see any female apply into such institution after such rule? As a matter of fact, why didn't your Hijab wearer apply into Sharia? Yeye.

Like I told you earlier, until Nigeria constitutions for human right supersede the rules of Sharia law of exclusion of females, you have no basis and should shut the fvck up!

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Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by tintingz(m): 2:01pm On Dec 21, 2017
AgentOfAllah:


Which rule? grin You're stuck in the age of juntas...lol
Olopa rule grin

If you need a job in an organization, complain first ehn. cheesy


In societies that abide by constitutional democracy. It's a fine thing, democracy!
If you want to get employed in an organization, start with protest ehn. grin


We're going in circles!
You sef know


Of what relevance is this question?
Ok


So might is right then?
It's in reports, Google doctors strike.


Yeah, that's the fact!
Lol, Ok


Nope, I did not investigate it. Then again, it wasn't me who brought up an unverified gossip as an argument in the first place. It's simple: If you don't know how worthy a report is, don't use it as an argument in support of your position.
Ok


Wait a minute...okay, I've just processed it, and I still maintain that such a rule is null and void if it violates the constitution!
After the organization got an approval/license from the government? Issokay!
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by edimolu(m): 3:29pm On Dec 21, 2017
Maezara:
Great too, boss. A new dawn it is. How're you doing today?
Living life like no tomorrow, see my message offline?
Re: Amasa Firdaus: Why I Wore The Hijab Intentionally To Bar Ceremony by CloudResident(m): 10:01am On Dec 24, 2017
Antina:


We know your type!! Oya!! Take another clap!! grin I am not used to abusing someone but will still tell you this, you are just an OponĂș agbĂ . Don't know u could be so pained like that to the extent of checking my profile before u reply me!! Chai!!! grin grin

Ever heard of the words -Antecedents,perception..?
I rest my case.

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