Well, my personal opinion of Christmas origin was when the Jew in the book of Esther(chap 9) were commanded by Mordecai(queen Esther's guardian) to observe two days in the twelfth month s days of feasting and joy and giving presents of food to one another and gifts to the poor. Esther chap 9 vs 28 said- These days should be remembered and observed in every generation by every family, and in every province and every city. And these days of Purim should never fail to be celebrated by the Jews- nor should the memory of these days die out among their descendants.

NB - my opinion of Christmas.

Happy Christmas pals....

Shit is deeply rooted in paganism...

Op pppppllllllllleeeeeaaaassseee. What is wrong for us to choose a particular day to celebrate Christ Birth. What is wrong with December 25, the earlier Christian decide to knock off the pegan gods for Christ. What exactly do you want. Most Christian knew Christ was not born on Dec. 25 but have decided to celebrate his birth on the same date. Do you want to tell me have you not seen some people who celebrate their birthday before or after D-Day. Please leave these pointless argument for kids you son mature pass that one.

jozz:
Arguments for and against the Christmas celebration have been on for decades. The main argument against Christmas has been that nowhere in the bible is Christmas mentioned and that Jesus was not born on Dec 25.

Proponents of the Christmas celebration on the other hand have argued that while truly there is no evidence of Jesus being born on Dec 25, nevertheless the celebration has a good motive-to honour Jesus.


As you read this article, I want you to consider a more compelling reason to avoid the Christmas celebration-its pagan origin.

Have you ever paused to give it a thought: if Christmas was not instituted by Jesus, was unknown among his disciples and the early Christians, where then did the celebration come from?

It is interesting to note that it was not until more than 300 years after Jesus birth that Christendom officially began to observe Christmas on Dec 25.

The roots of Christmas can be traced to pagan Rome with its mixture of festivals for honouring the agriculture god Saturn and the sun god Sol Invictus or mithra. The catholic church wanting to strengthen its position, converted the pagan celebration to a christian one.

Anthropologists Christian Ratsch and Claudia Muller-Ebeling coauthors of the book pagan Christmas write :Like many pre-christian customs and beliefs, the old feast commemorating the yearly return of the sun was dedicated to the birth of christ.

So if humans can detect the pagan connection of Christmas, the ultimate and most important question we need to ask is:

How does God (whose approval we are all striving for) feel about a celebration of pagan origin now dedicated to his son? 2 For 6:14-17 says :What fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have or what sharing does light have with darkness? Quit touching the unclean thing and I will take you in.

Therefore in conclusion the issue of Christmas goes beyond issue of personal choice. The persons we purport to be honouring via Christmas celebration (God and Jesus) are telling us clearly that they are not interested in the celebration, in fact it is offensive to them. Are we more powerful or all knowing than them?
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GOD got no bizness with Christmas

A careful analysis of Scripture, however, clearly indicates that December 25 couldn’t be the date for Christ’s birth. Here are two primary reasons:

First, we know that shepherds were in the fields watching their flocks at the time of Jesus’ birth (Luke 2:7-. Shepherds were not in the fields during December. According to Celebrations: The Complete Book of American Holidays , Luke’s account “suggests that Jesus may have been born in summer or early fall. Since December is cold and rainy in Judea, it is likely the shepherds would have sought shelter for their flocks at night” (p. 309).

Similarly, The Interpreter’s One-Volume Commentary says this passage argues “against the birth [of Christ] occurring on Dec. 25 since the weather would not have permitted” shepherds watching over their flocks in the fields at night.

Second, Jesus’ parents came to Bethlehem to register in a Roman census (Luke 2:1-4). Such censuses were not taken in winter, when temperatures often dropped below freezing and roads were in poor condition. Taking a census under such conditions would have been self-defeating.

Given the difficulties and the desire to bring pagans into Christianity, “the important fact then which I have asked you to get clearly into your head is that the fixing of the date as December 25th was a compromise with paganism” (William Walsh, The Story of Santa Klaus , 1970, p. 62).

We use the saeson to remind ourselves of the birth of Christ. Whatever you said is the origin, our intention is to celebrate the birth of the one that gave us everything. The date is not important either, the fact is that He was born and that happened a day in this world. Don't be judgemental about everything, reason through the purpose and intention. God bless you.

Consider these quotes from the Catholic Encyclopedia, 1911 edition, under “Christmas”: “Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church…the first evidence of the feast is from Egypt.” Further, “Pagan customs centering around the January calends gravitated to Christmas.” Under “Natal Day,” Origen, an early Catholic writer, admitted, “…In the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have kept a feast or held a great banquet on his birthday. It is only sinners (like Pharaoh and Herod) who make great rejoicings over the day in which they were born into this world” (emphasis mine).

It's complex. The days, Moon Day, Tiu's Day, Woodens Day, Thor's Day, Friya's Day, Saturn's Day, Sun Day and the Months from Janus, etc all have pagan origins but we still use them. What's different? When we say Monday are we celebrating the Moon God worshipped on Monday? When we say January are we celebrating Janus, the two faced God? What is in a date if a different thing happens? What is in a week day if the use doesn't reference its etymological implication?

If GOD was born December 25,Who was God before Dec 25?

jozz:
Arguments for and against the Christmas celebration have been on for decades. The main argument against Christmas has been that nowhere in the bible is Christmas mentioned and that Jesus was not born on Dec 25.

Proponents of the Christmas celebration on the other hand have argued that while truly there is no evidence of Jesus being born on Dec 25, nevertheless the celebration has a good motive-to honour Jesus.


As you read this article, I want you to consider a more compelling reason to avoid the Christmas celebration-its pagan origin.

Have you ever paused to give it a thought: if Christmas was not instituted by Jesus, was unknown among his disciples and the early Christians, where then did the celebration come from?

It is interesting to note that it was not until more than 300 years after Jesus birth that Christendom officially began to observe Christmas on Dec 25.

The roots of Christmas can be traced to pagan Rome with its mixture of festivals for honouring the agriculture god Saturn and the sun god Sol Invictus or mithra. The catholic church wanting to strengthen its position, converted the pagan celebration to a christian one.

Anthropologists Christian Ratsch and Claudia Muller-Ebeling coauthors of the book pagan Christmas write :Like many pre-christian customs and beliefs, the old feast commemorating the yearly return of the sun was dedicated to the birth of christ.

So if humans can detect the pagan connection of Christmas, the ultimate and most important question we need to ask is:

How does God (whose approval we are all striving for) feel about a celebration of pagan origin now dedicated to his son? 2 For 6:14-17 says :What fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have or what sharing does light have with darkness? Quit touching the unclean thing and I will take you in.

Therefore in conclusion the issue of Christmas goes beyond issue of personal choice. The persons we purport to be honouring via Christmas celebration (God and Jesus) are telling us clearly that they are not interested in the celebration, in fact it is offensive to them. Are we more powerful or all knowing than them?
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I don't know why some people choose to be so arrogant forcing others to there believe. Christmas as the name implies is the celebration of the birth of Christ which God instructed the three wise men to observe. stop all this ur hatred and celebrate ur God

Christmas is unscriptural and its a pagan feast a feast that the so called Christians celebrate by fornicating and engaging themselves in other immoral acts

The following demonstrates what the Babylonians believe about the origin of the Christmas tree: “An old Babylonish fable told of an evergreen tree which sprang out of a dead tree stump. The old stump symbolized the dead Nimrod, the new evergreen tree symbolized that Nimrod had come to life again in Tammuz! Among the Druids the oak was sacred, among the Egyptians it was the palm, and in Rome it was the fir, which was decorated with red berries during the Saturnalia!” (Walsh, Curiosities of Popular Customs, p. 242).

Most aspects of Christmas are not referred to in the Bible. Of course, the reason is that they are not from God—they are not part of the way He wants people to worship Him. The Christmas tree, however, is directly mentioned in the Bible! Turn to Jeremiah 10:2-5, “Thus says the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen…For the customs of the people are vain: for one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.”

why does this topic originates every year. don't you guys have a life. get one if you don't.

if not for pagans Christianity would not have gotten this much publicity you guys are enjoying received the Jews rejected it.

Christmas is rubbish and nonsense celebrated by f00ls.

Many are blinded by the merriment than the truth

veeqocean:
If GOD was born December 25,Who was God before Dec 25?

You know its quite complex.

They tell us he is the son.
But he is the father.
He is also the spirit.

So the father is the son. And the son is the father. And ummm, they are both the spirit.

My lack of understanding has to do with my non-possesion of the said spirit.

So really the triad that is singular was born sometime ago. But they are celebrating this single triad on the 25th of December.

optimus007:
God isn't out to get anyone, people. We need to abandon this our Christian culture of fear. The origin of Christmas doesn't colour the day black. It doesn't colour it white either. It is a day like any other way that God has made. We will be glad and rejoice in it. Christmas isn't a special day.

Its just an excuse for most people to be happy. It's a rich part of human culture that everyone has become a part of, Christian and non-Christian alike. Why sulk around in misery and fear of condemnation when you can cook and share food and goodwill to people around.

If I've learnt any thing about God, it's that he wants us to be happy in as much as we stay within the confines of his word.

Read colossians 2:8

Jobless OP. How does this solve the problem being faced in the country? Does this in any way provide fuel and food for the masses?

Some people's work na to siddon dey think of rubbish nonsense posts instead of thinking of the solutions to the issues at hand.

Sapiosexuality:
It's complex. The days, Moon Day, Tiu's Day, Woodens Day, Thor's Day, Friya's Day, Saturn's Day, Sun Day and the Months from Janus, etc all have pagan origins but we still use them. What's different? When we say Monday are we celebrating the Moon God worshipped on Monday? When we say January are we celebrating Janus, the two faced God? What is in a date if a different thing happens? What is in a week day if the use doesn't reference its etymological implication?

Which celebration do u do on Monday till Sunday? Bt on 25th December, wat do u do?

Jesus was not born on 25th December, The Bible has been polluted with pagan worship. Why did they remove the Book of Enoch from the Bible. Why is the Catholic using the complete Bible while other churches use incomplete Bible

If you are correct with those lines that wrote "it's now a celebration to honour Christ" then you are rather buttressing the good in Christmas. The whole idea behind Christianity is to convert things like this in honour of God. The most important thing is that then they celebrate it to honour the sun gods but now we celebrate it to honour Jesus Christ the son of God and our saviour...please get to really understand what Christianity is all about. Merry Christmas to everyone who understands what we are celebrating and to those who do not understand too...

Sapiosexuality:
It's complex. The days, Moon Day, Tiu's Day, Woodens Day, Thor's Day, Friya's Day, Saturn's Day, Sun Day and the Months from Janus, etc all have pagan origins but we still use them. What's different? When we say Monday are we celebrating the Moon God worshipped on Monday? When we say January are we celebrating Janus, the two faced God? What is in a date if a different thing happens? What is in a week day if the use doesn't reference its etymological implication?

Only Pagans celebrate Christmas.

If you are correct with those lines that wrote "it's now a celebration to honour Christ" then you are rather buttressing the good in Christmas. The whole idea behind Christianity is to convert things like this in honour of God. The most important thing is that then they celebrate it to honour the sun gods but now we celebrate it to honour Jesus Christ the son of God and our saviour...please get to really understand what Christianity is all about. Merry Christmas to everyone who understands what we are celebrating and to those who do not understand too...

Everyday and all things belong to Lord Jesus. His blood has redeemed all that is his back to himself. Everyday is his day. He walked the earth in his pre-incarnate form as Melchizedek. This day has just been unanimously chosen to celebrate him, It could have been any day and that would have been fine, this day makes more sense since its the end of the year.
He is not bound by time. In the beginning he was and is and always would be. He is God.
All things belong to him including the gold, wood etc the dumb idols were made from. Nothing belongs to paganism. The names of all the pagan gods and idols would be wiped away and forgotten forever. Amen!

jozz:
Arguments for and against the Christmas celebration have been on for decades. The main argument against Christmas has been that nowhere in the bible is Christmas mentioned and that Jesus was not born on Dec 25.

Proponents of the Christmas celebration on the other hand have argued that while truly there is no evidence of Jesus being born on Dec 25, nevertheless the celebration has a good motive-to honour Jesus.


As you read this article, I want you to consider a more compelling reason to avoid the Christmas celebration-its pagan origin.

Have you ever paused to give it a thought: if Christmas was not instituted by Jesus, was unknown among his disciples and the early Christians, where then did the celebration come from?

It is interesting to note that it was not until more than 300 years after Jesus birth that Christendom officially began to observe Christmas on Dec 25.

The roots of Christmas can be traced to pagan Rome with its mixture of festivals for honouring the agriculture god Saturn and the sun god Sol Invictus or mithra. The catholic church wanting to strengthen its position, converted the pagan celebration to a christian one.

Anthropologists Christian Ratsch and Claudia Muller-Ebeling coauthors of the book pagan Christmas write :Like many pre-christian customs and beliefs, the old feast commemorating the yearly return of the sun was dedicated to the birth of christ.

So if humans can detect the pagan connection of Christmas, the ultimate and most important question we need to ask is:

How does God (whose approval we are all striving for) feel about a celebration of pagan origin now dedicated to his son? 2 For 6:14-17 says :What fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have or what sharing does light have with darkness? Quit touching the unclean thing and I will take you in.

Therefore in conclusion the issue of Christmas goes beyond issue of personal choice. The persons we purport to be honouring via Christmas celebration (God and Jesus) are telling us clearly that they are not interested in the celebration, in fact it is offensive to them. Are we more powerful or all knowing than them?
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Why the above may be true. Do you celebrate weddings anniversary? Does your religious organization allow so?

Do you exchange wedding rings? Does your religious organization allow so?

Can you point out where in the Bible these are commanded or allowed? Can you research into its paganic origin? Respond to these questions and I will write more

I am still waiting

How does God (whose approval we are all striving for) feel about a celebration of pagan origin now dedicated to his son? 2 For 6:14-17 says :What fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have or what sharing does light have with darkness? Quit touching the unclean thing and I will take you in.

Therefore in conclusion the issue of Christmas goes beyond issue of personal choice. The persons we purport to be honouring via Christmas celebration (God and Jesus) are telling us clearly that they are not interested in the celebration, in fact it is offensive to them. Are we more powerful or all knowing than them?
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Everything is permissible...... But not everything is beneficial. Whatever you do, do as if ur doing it unto God. Christmas is permissible. Christmas is beneficial to me. And it's between me and my God. Happy Sunday.

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