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Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 9:43pm On Dec 26, 2017
There is a common question, did Mary have any other children?

Many quote Mt 13:55 that list the brothers of Jesus.

See the identity of the brothers of Jesus so that so may you may understand that these are sons of Alpheus (Two of them are apostles).

The brothers of Jesus listed in Matthew 13: 55 are James and Joseph and Simon and Jude.

Gal 1.19 Identifies one of the apostles James as the brother of Jesus. (Note two of the twelve apostles bear James. One the son of Zebedee and the other son of Alpheus)

Luke 6:15: Says James father is Alpheus (not Joseph, ).
Luke 6:16: identifies the apostle Jude as the brother of James the less.
Mark 15: 40 Acknowledges that the mother of James the less is also the mother of Joseph. Hence James and Joseph are brothers. So with this we can see that James the less, Jude and Joseph listed as brothers of Jesus in Matthew 13:55 have been identified .
John 19:25 Identifies Mary of Cleopas(Alpheus) as the sister of Mary the mother of Jesus.( Note Cleopas is the Greek version of the Aramaic name Alpheus).
Hence the brothers are simply his relatives. Since their Mother is a sister to Mary the Mother of Jesus

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by CharlieMaria(m): 9:51pm On Dec 26, 2017
MosesAlex:
There is a common question, did Mary have any other children?

Many quote Mt 13:55 that list the brothers of Jesus.

See the identity of the brothers of Jesus so that so may you may understand that these are sons of Alpheus (Two of them are apostles).

The brothers of Jesus listed in Matthew 13: 55 are James and Joseph and Simon and Jude.

Gal 1.19 Identifies one of the apostles James as the brother of Jesus. (Note two of the twelve apostles bear James. One the son of Zebedee and the other son of Alpheus)

Luke 6:15: Says James father is Alpheus (not Joseph, ).
Luke 6:16: identifies the apostle Jude as the brother of James the less.
Mark 15: 40 Acknowledges that the mother of James the less is also the mother of Joseph. Hence James and Joseph are brothers. So with this we can see that James the less, Jude and Joseph listed as brothers of Jesus in Matthew 13:55 have been identified .
John 19:25 Identifies Mary of Cleopas(Alpheus) as the sister of Mary the mother of Jesus.( Note Cleopas is the Greek version of the Aramaic name Alpheus).
Hence the brothers are simply his relatives. Since their Mother is a sister to Mary the Mother of Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVZm4fwIEw

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by lordm(m): 9:54pm On Dec 26, 2017
How does is brothers secure your salvation

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by CharlieMaria(m): 9:58pm On Dec 26, 2017
lordm:
How does is brothers secure your salvation
How does preaching that she has other children help our salvation?Yet you gladly subscribe to such false teachings.

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 9:59pm On Dec 26, 2017
lordm:
How does is brothers secure your salvation
You shall know the truth and it shall set you free
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by petra1(m): 10:00pm On Dec 26, 2017
MosesAlex:
There is a common question, did Mary have any other children?

Many quote Mt 13:55 that list the brothers of Jesus.

See the identity of the brothers of Jesus so that so may you may understand that these are sons of Alpheus (Two of them are apostles).

The brothers of Jesus listed in Matthew 13: 55 are James and Joseph and Simon and Jude.

Gal 1.19 Identifies one of the apostles James as the brother of Jesus. (Note two of the twelve apostles bear James. One the son of Zebedee and the other son of Alpheus)

Luke 6:15: Says James father is Alpheus (not Joseph, ).
Luke 6:16: identifies the apostle Jude as the brother of James the less.
Mark 15: 40 Acknowledges that the mother of James the less is also the mother of Joseph. Hence James and Joseph are brothers. So with this we can see that James the less, Jude and Joseph listed as brothers of Jesus in Matthew 13:55 have been identified .
John 19:25 Identifies Mary of Cleopas(Alpheus) as the sister of Mary the mother of Jesus.( Note Cleopas is the Greek version of the Aramaic name Alpheus).
Hence the brothers are simply his relatives. Since their Mother is a sister to Mary the Mother of Jesus

Mathew 13:55
Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?  56And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?  


they were Jesus natural brethren. They were not disciples in the days of his ministry . They hadn't believed on him yet

John 7:5 (AMPC)
For [even] His brothers did not believe [/b]in or adhere to or trust in or rely on Him either.

[b]Mark 3:31
(AMP)
Then His mother and His brothers came and, standing outside, they sent word to Him, calling [for] Him.

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by CharlieMaria(m): 10:01pm On Dec 26, 2017
mary had no other child outside Jesus...let's go with at least one of your scriptural passages where you claimed that Sons of Mary were mentioned...Gal1:18-19.....It was talking about Paul and it reads: "Then after three years, I went to Jerusalem, to see Peter, and I stayed with him fifteen days. But I did not see other apostles except James the brother of the Lord." Now you claim James is from Mary's womb.. Let's analyze whom this James is: The scriptures says St Paul saw Peter and no other apostle except James which shows this James is an apostle. He was also called the brother of the Lord. Now let me prove he wasn't born of Mary: in Luke 6:12-16 where Jesus called his apostles we notice that there are two James there one of them is James sons of Zebedee (Mt4:21) the other James son of Alphaeus....now you see the person called James the brother of the Lord is from either Zebedee or Alphaeus and and not The Virgin Mary or Joseph so how come you say James was a son of Mary? And this James was also called the brother of Jude in Jude1:1 go and read your Bible... Let's examine Mt13:55 or Mk6:3 where the scriptures recorded the so called brothers of Jesus....let's examine them....their names James Joseph Simon and Jude....Jn19:26 tells us there were two women at the foot of the cross of which one of them was a Sister Mary.... Who was married to Cleopas now Mt27:55-56 makes it clearer it says that these women were: Mary Magdalene, Mary the Mother of James and Joseph and the Mother of Zebedee's children. So you see that James and Joseph was from another Mary and as I said before Jude confirms he is the brother of James and in Luke 5:10 we see a Simon who was always with the sons of Zebedee mentioned only as an apostle and not a son of Mary. I challenge you to show me a place in the bible that says that Mary had other children or had other sons whom she named James Joseph Simon and Jude or show me where the scriptures said that Mary had another pregnancy after Jesus was born.... Besides I hope you're aware that In Acts 1:14-15 which you mentioned that it says that the brothers of Jesus numbered approximately 120...could Mary have given birth to 120 children all at once? Think!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVZm4fwIEw for more

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by CharlieMaria(m): 10:02pm On Dec 26, 2017
petra1:


Mathew 13:55
Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?  56And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?  


they were Jesus natural brethren. They were not disciples in the days of his ministry .
The question is does the scriptures in any way say that these men were born of Mary? In the gospel of luke22:32 Jesus called the other apostles the brothes of Peter.... In Gen11:1-26,14:14&13:8 Abraham was called the brother of Lot but was the apostles from the same womb? Or was Abraham and Lot from The same womb? Acts 1:14-15 says Jesus brothers were about 120....Wow! Could Mary have given birth to 120children by herself alone?

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 10:11pm On Dec 26, 2017
Jesus Had Brothers??
Doesn’t a casual study of the Bible prove that Jesus had brothers, and that Mary had relations with Joseph after Jesus was born? Well, no, it doesn’t, but in order to come to the truth, one has to study the entire bible, and know the exact meaning of certain words. In other words, actually STUDY the bible, and not just take everything on superficial face value. So let’s take a look and see why Mary’s Perpetual Virginity is indeed the Truth.

First off, one has to realize that in the Greek that the New Testament was written in, there is no specific word for “brother,” but rather a generic word that could mean brother or cousin or nephew. That Greek word is “adelphos.” This word “adelphos” is used numerous times in the New Testament to describe “the brothers of Jesus.” Specifically, in Matthew 13:55-56, four men are named as the brothers (adelphos) of Jesus – James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude. But if you cross reference Matthew 13:55-56 with John 19:25, it says that at the cross were present the mother (the Blessed Virgin Mary) of Jesus, and her sister Mary (the wife of Clopas), and Mary of Magdala! That is 3 Mary’s at the foot of the cross! Why is this significant? Because in Matthew 27:56, we learn Mary the wife of Clopas is the mother of James and Joseph, the cousins, not brothers, of Jesus. Tradition has it that St. Jude is also the cousin of Jesus.

And besides the connotation of the Greek word “adelphos,” there is Matthew 23:8 where Jesus declares us all to be “brothers.” In Mark 3:35, we learn that whoever does the will of God is the brother and sister of Jesus! This is very evident with St. Paul, who calls Timothy his brother in 2 Corinthians 1:1, Colossians 1:1, 1 Thessalonians 3:2, and Hebrews 13:23.

There is also the scripture in Luke 1:34, where the archangel Gabriel tells Mary that she is to be the Mother of the Messiah, and Mary asks, “How can this be, since I know not a man?” We already found out earlier in Luke 1:27 that Mary and Joseph were betrothed to one another. So why would Mary, who knew the facts of life (we know this because of the nature of her question) ask such a question if she and Joseph were already betrothed? Because of her vow of virginity. We learn that her vow of virginity taken as a youth can even be enforced during marriage, if her husband doesn’t object, in Numbers 30:2-7:

"When a man vows a vow to the LORD, or swears an oath to bind himself by a pledge, he shall not break his word; he shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth. Or when a woman vows a vow to the LORD, and binds herself by a pledge, while within her father's house, in her youth, and her father hears of her vow and of her pledge by which she has bound herself, and says nothing to her; then all her vows shall stand, and every pledge by which she has bound herself shall stand. But if her father expresses disapproval to her on the day that he hears of it, no vow of hers, no pledge by which she has bound herself, shall stand; and the LORD will forgive her, because her father opposed her. And if she is married to a husband, while under her vows or any thoughtless utterance of her lips by which she has bound herself, and her husband hears of it, and says nothing to her on the day that he hears; then her vows shall stand, and her pledges by which she has bound herself shall stand."

In John 19:26, Jesus gives his mother to the Apostle John, which would violate Jewish customs that the next son in line would have to care for the mother. Jesus made sure that Mary was taken care of by a non-blood relative, the apostle John.

But what about Matthew 1:25, where it says that Joseph knew her not UNTIL she borne a son? Doesn’t the word “until” mean that Joseph had relations after Jesus was born? No, it doesn’t. If a Dad tells his kids to be good UNTIL he gets back, he is in no way implying that they should be bad after he gets back! Jesus said that he will be with us UNTIL the end of the world, which in no way implies that he will not be with us after the end of the world. And in 1 Timothy 4:13, Paul says to attend to scripture, preaching, and teaching “until I come.” In no way is Paul implying that Timothy should ignore those things after Paul returns. In 1 Corinthians 15:25, Paul says that Christ must reign UNTIL he has defeated His enemies. Paul is not saying that Jesus will stop reigning after that!

But besides all of the aforementioned, Mary is the bride of the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary with Jesus. This HAS to be a truism, unless you really want to believe that the Holy Spirit was somehow fornicating with Mary (an IMPOSSIBILITY) and that Jesus was the illegitimate son of Mary and the Holy Spirit. St. Joseph would in no way want to infringe on the Holy Spirit’s right to the body of Mary with any conjugal relations. That right belonged to the Holy Spirit only, not any man. Mary surely needed a man to protect her and care for her on this earth, and God chose the holy St. Joseph for this task, not only because he was chaste and holy, but also because Joseph was a direct descendant of King David. Jesus had to be born a true son of David in order to claim the crown of the Kingdom on earth that had been vacated since the divided Kingdoms fell 500 years earlier. And Joseph knew that Mary would have been put to death if people thought that she became pregnant through fornication with no husband, so St. Joseph served as her protector in that regard as well!

So, as the old riddle goes, "What do you get when you combine Mary with the Holy Spirit? JESUS!!!





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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by Dikemaria(m): 10:13pm On Dec 26, 2017
Another example that gladly shows that Mary had no other child other than Jesus is, the search for Jesus in the temple after the feast of the pasch as related in Luke 2:42-50... From that scenario we observed that Jesus was 12 years old and that his parents came to the temple with him alone and searched for him after they discovered he was dead... If truly he had other blood siblings, they should have joined in coming to the temple as well as searching for him...

Secondly all through the scriptures no one is referred to as the son or daughter of Joseph/Mary as we see in the scriptures...E.g James and John Sons of Zebedee, Son of Alphesus etc.. as well as so many other signs...

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by petra1(m): 10:17pm On Dec 26, 2017
CharlieMaria:
The question is does the scriptures in any way say that these men were born of Mary? In the gospel of luke22:32 Jesus called the other apostles the brothes of Peter.... In Gen11:1-26,14:14&13:8 Abraham was called the brother of Lot but was the apostles from the same womb? Or was Abraham and Lot from The same womb? Acts 1:14-15 says Jesus brothers were about 120...

I agree with you The word brethren could be used corporately for a whole congregation and also unsed for biological brothers . But If you read it in context . The meaning is very simple.

Matthew 17:1
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother. . . .

Many passages refers to James as the brother of john . It's very obvious that they were biological brothers even though they were both apostles
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Wow! Could Mary have given birth to 120children by herself alone?

John 7:5 (AMPC)
For [even] His brothers did not believe in or adhere to or trust in or rely on Him either.


Who was the verse above addressing as his brothers ?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by bloodofthelamb(m): 10:37pm On Dec 26, 2017
Bros, Christ brothers in the flesh were never His disciples when He was still in the world.

As a matter of fact, they were against HIM.
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by bloodofthelamb(m): 10:44pm On Dec 26, 2017
CharlieMaria:
The question is does the scriptures in any way say that these men were born of Mary? In the gospel of luke22:32 Jesus called the other apostles the brothes of Peter.... In Gen11:1-26,14:14&13:8 Abraham was called the brother of Lot but was the apostles from the same womb? Or was Abraham and Lot from The same womb? Acts 1:14-15 says Jesus brothers were about 120....Wow! Could Mary have given birth to 120children by herself alone?

Does the scripture say CHRIST was the only child of Mary?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by Dikemaria(m): 10:49pm On Dec 26, 2017
petra1:


I agree with you The word brethren could be used corporately for a whole congregation and also unsed for biological brothers . But If you read it in context . The meaning is very simple.

Matthew 17:1
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother. . . .

Many passages refers to James as the brother of john . It's very obvious that they were biological brothers even though they were both apostles
.

John 7:5 (AMPC)
For [even] His brothers did not believe in or adhere to or trust in or rely on Him either.


Who was the verse above addressing as his brothers ?



Those were his kinsmen comprising cousins, in addition to close and distant relatives... And which is exactly the same way most languages refer to their relatives
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by irynterri(f): 10:53pm On Dec 26, 2017
Dikemaria:
Another example that gladly shows that Mary had no other child other than Jesus is, the search for Jesus in the temple after the feast of the pasch as related in Luke 2:42-50... From that scenario we observed that Jesus was 12 years old and that his parents came to the temple with him alone and searched for him after they discovered he was dead... If truly he had other blood siblings, they should have joined in coming to the temple as well as searching for him...

Secondly all through the scriptures no one is referred to as the son or daughter of Joseph/Mary as we see in the scriptures...E.g James and John Sons of Zebedee, Son of Alphesus etc.. as well as so many other signs...
personally I believe Mary did not have any other children because of the incidence at the cross as recorded in John 19:26-27 when Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing near by, he said to her, woman behold your son and to the disciple behold your mother and from that moment the disciple took her to his home. Even if you read history, it is on record she lived with the apostle John in present day Turkey till she died, please if she had other children or her husband was till alive, would she have lived her whole life with another person? would Jesus had bothered handing her over till she died? personally I'm of the opinion that it is only someone that does not believe that Jesus is God that would believe that she had other children. If you believe that the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the word was God.....and the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us as testified in the Gospel of John chapter 1 then you will understand that it is not possible for the womb that carried God to carry a mortal man, if you understand how powerful Jesus is that John the Baptist described himself as not fit to undo the straps of his sandals you will understand that the breasts that suckled him cannot suckle a mortal man. May the Good Lord grant us wisdom,Amen

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by maryfrancis15: 11:29pm On Dec 26, 2017
A group of persons closely connected with the Saviour appears repeatedly in the New Testament under the designation "his brethren" or "the brethren of the Lord" ( Matthew 12:46 , 13:55 ; Mark 3:31-32 , 6:3 ; Luke 8:19-20 ; John 2:12 , 7:3-5 ; Acts 1:14 ; 1 Corinthians 9:5 ). Four such "brethren" are mentioned by name in the parallel texts of Matthew 13:55 and Mark 6:3 (where "sisters" are also referred to), namely, James (also mentioned Galatians 1:19 ), Joseph, or Joses, Simon, and Jude ; the incidental manner in which these names are given, shows, however, that the list lays no claim to completeness. Two questions in connexion with these "brethren" of the Lord have long been, and are still now more than ever, the subject of controversy: (1) The identity of James , Jude , and Simon; (2) the exact nature of the relationship between the Saviour and his "brethren". The identity of James, Jude and Simon James is without doubt the Bishop of Jerusalem ( Acts 12:17 , 15:13 , 21:18 ; Galatians 1:19 ; 2:9-12 ) and the author of the first Catholic Epistle. His identity with James the Less ( Mark 15:40 ) and the Apostle James, the son of Alpheus ( Matthew 10:3 ; Mark 3:18 ), although contested by many Protestant critics, may also be considered as certain. There is no reasonable doubt that in Galatians 1:19 : "But other of the apostles [besides Cephas] I saw none, saving James the brother of the Lord", St. Paul represents James as a member of the Apostolic college. The purpose for which the statement is made, makes it clear that the "apostles" is to be taken strictly to designate the Twelve, and its truthfulness demands that the clause "saving James " be understood to mean, that in addition to Cephas, St. Paul saw another Apostle, " James the brother of the Lord" (cf. Acts 9:27 ). Besides, the prominence and authority of James among the Apostles ( Acts 15:13 ; Galatians 2:9 ; in the latter text he is even named before Cephas ) could have belonged only to one of their number. Now there were only two Apostles named James: James the son of Zebedee, and James the son of Alpheus ( Matthew 10:3 ; Mark 3:18 ; Luke 6:16 ; Acts 1:13 ). The former is out of the question, since he was dead at the time of the events to which Acts 15:6 ssq. , and Galatians 2:9-12 refer (cf. Acts 12:2 ). James "the brother of the Lord" is therefore one with James the son of Alpheus, and consequently with James the Less, the identity of these two being generally conceded. Again, on comparing John 19:25 with Matthew 27:56 , and Mark 15:40 (cf. Mark 15:47 ; 16:1 ), we find that Mary of Cleophas , or more correctly Clopas ( Klopas ), the sister of Mary the Mother of Christ , is the same as Mary the mother of James the Less and of Joseph, or Joses. As married women are not distinguished by the addition of their father's name, Mary of Clopas must be the wife of Clopas, and not his daughter, as has been maintained. Moreover, the names of her sons and the order in which they are given, no doubt the order of seniority, warrant us in identifying these sons with James and Joseph, or Joses, the "brethren" of the Lord. The existence among the early followers of Christ of two sets of brothers having the same names in the order of age, is not likely, and cannot be assumed without proof . Once this identity is conceded, the conclusion cannot well be avoided that Clopas and Alpheus are one person , even if the two names are quite distinct. It is, however, highly probable, and commonly admitted, that Clopas and Alpheus are merely different transcriptions of the same Aramaic word Halphai. James and Joseph the "brethren" of the Lord are thus the sons of Alpheus. Of Joseph nothing further is known . Jude is the writer of the last of the Catholic Epistles (Jude 1). He is with good reason identified by Catholic commentators with the "Judas Jacobi" ("Jude the brother of James" in the Douay Version ) of Luke 6:16 and Acts 1:13, otherwise known as Thaddeus ( Matthew 10:3 ; Mark 3:18 ). It is quite in accordance with Greek custom for a man to be distinguished by the addition of his brother's name instead of his father's , when the brother was better known. That such was the case with Jude is inferred from the title "the brother of James", by which he designates himself in his Epistle. About Simon nothing certain can be stated. He is identified by most commentators with the Symeon, or Simon, who, according to Hegesippus , was a son of Clopas, and succeeded James as Bishop of Jerusalem. Some identify him with the Apostle Simon the Cananean ( Matthew 10:4 ; Mark 3:18 ) or the Zealot ( Luke 6:15 ; Acts 1:13 ). The grouping together of James , Jude or Thaddeus, and Simon, after the other Apostles, Judas Iscariot excepted, in the lists of the Apostles, ( Matthew 10:4-5 ; Mark 3:18 ; Luke 6:16 ; Acts 1:13 ) lends some probability to this view, as it seems to indicate some sort of connexion between the three. Be this as it may, it is certain that at least two of the "brethren" of Christ were among the Apostles. This is clearly implied in 1 Corinthians 9:5 : "Have we not the power to carry about a woman, a sister, as well as the rest of the apostles, and the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?" The mention of Cephas at the end indicates that St. Paul, after speaking of the Apostles in general, calls special attention to the more prominent ones, the "brethren" of the Lord and Cephas. The objection that no "brethren" of the Lord could have been members of the Apostolic college, because six months before Christ's death they did not believe in Him ( John 7:3-5 ), rests on a misunderstanding of the text. His "brethren" believed in his miraculous power, and urged him to manifest it to the world. Their unbelief was therefore relative. It was not a want of belief in His Messiahship, but a false conception of it. They had not yet rid themselves of the Jewish idea of a Messiah who would be a temporal ruler. We meet with this idea among the Apostles as late as the day of the Ascension ( Acts 1:6 ). In any case the expression "his brethren" does not necessarily include each and every "brother", whenever it occurs. This last remark also sufficiently answers the difficulty in Acts 1:13-14, where, it is said, a clear distinction is made between the Apostles and the "brethren" of the Lord. The exact nature of the relationship between the Saviour and his "brethren" The texts cited at the beginning of this article show beyond a doubt that there existed a real and near kinship between Jesus and His "brethren". But as "brethren" (or "brother"wink is applied to step-brothers as well as to brothers by blood, and in Scriptural, and Semitic use generally, is often loosely extended to all near, or even distant, relatives ( Genesis 13:8 , 14:14-16 ; Leviticus 10:4 ; 1 Chronicles 15:5-10 , 23:21-22 ), the word furnishes no certain indication of the exact nature of the relationship. Some ancient heretics, like Helvidius and the Antidicomarianites , maintained that the "brethren" of Jesus were His uterine brothers the sons of Joseph and Mary . This opinion has been revived in modern times, and is now adopted by most of the Protestant exegetes . On the orthodox side two views have long been current. The majority of the Greek Fathers and Greek writers, influenced, it seems, by the legendary tales of apocryphal gospels, considered the "brethren" of the Lord as sons of St. Joseph by a first marriage. The Latins, on the contrary, with few exceptions ( St. Ambrose, St. Hilary , and St. Gregory of Tours among the Fathers ), hold that they were the Lord's cousins. That they were not the sons of Joseph and Mary is proved by the following reasons, leaving out of consideration the great antiquity of the belief in the perpetual virginity of Mary . It is highly significant that throughout the New Testament Mary appears as the Mother of Jesus and of Jesus alone. This is the more remarkable as she is repeatedly mentioned in connexion with her supposed sons, and, in some cases at least, it would have been quite natural to call them her sons (cf. Matthew 12:46 ; Mark 3:31 ; Luke 8:19 ; Acts 1:14 ). Again, Mary's annual pilgrimage to Jerusalem ( Luke 2:41 ) is quite incredible, except on the supposition that she bore no other children besides Jesus . Is it likely that she could have made the journey regularly, at a time when the burden of child- bearing and the care of an increasing number of small children (she would be the mother of at least four other sons and of several daughters, cf Matthew 13:56 ) would be pressing heavily upon her? A further proof is the fact that at His death Jesus recommended His mother to St. John . Is not His solicitude for her in His dying hour a sign that she would be left with no one whose duty it would be to care for her? And why recommend her to an outsider if she had other sons? Since there was no estrangement between Him and His "brethren", or between them and Mary , no plausible argument is confirmed by the words with which he recommends her: ide ho uios sou, with the article before uios (son); had there been others sons, ide uios sou, without the article, would have been the proper expression. The decisive proof , however, is that the father and mother of at least two of these "brethren" are known to us. James and Joseph, or Joses, are, as we have seen, the sons of Alpheus, or Clopas, and of Mary, the sister of Mary the Mother of Jesus , and all agree that if these are not brothers of the Saviour, the others are not. This last argument disposes also of the theory that the "brethren" of the Lord were the sons of St. Joseph by a former marriage. They are then neither the brothers nor the step- brothers of the Lord. James , Joseph, and Jude are undoubtedly His cousins. If Simon is the same as the Symeon of Hegesippus, he also is a cousin, since this writer expressly states that he was the son of Clopas the uncle of the Lord, and the latter's cousin. But whether they were cousins on their father's or mother's side, whether cousins by blood or merely by marriage, cannot be determined with certainty. Mary of Clopas is indeed called the "sister" of the Blessed Virgin ( John 19:25 ), but it is uncertain whether "sister" here means a true sister or a sister-in-law. Hegesippus calls Clopas the brother of St. Joseph . This would favour the view that Mary of Clopas was only the sister-in-law of the Blessed Virgin , unless it be true , as stated in the manuscripts of the Peshitta version, that Joseph and Clopas married sisters. The relationship of the other "brethren" may have been more distant than that of the above named four. The chief objection against the Catholic position is taken from Matt 1:25: "He [ Joseph] knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn son"; and from Luke 2:7: "And she brought forth her firstborn son". Hence, it is argued, Mary must have born other children. "Firstborn" ( prototokos), however, does not necessarily connote that other children were born afterwards. This is evident from Luke 2:23, and Ex 13:2-12 (cf. Greek text) to which Luke refers. "Opening the womb" is there given as the equivalent of "firstborn" ( prototokos ). An only child was thus no less "firstborn" than the first of many. Neither do the words "he knew her not till she brought forth" imply, as St. Jerome proves conclusively against Helvidius from parallel examples, that he knew her afterwards. The meaning of both expressions becomes clear, if they are considered in connexion with the virginal birth related by the two Evangelists . Sources

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by CharlieMaria(m): 8:17am On Dec 27, 2017
bloodofthelamb:


Does the scripture say CHRIST was the only child of Mary?
Does the scriptures say Jesus was not the Only Child of Mary? Incase you wish to know if the Scriptures said Jesus was the only son of Mary then go to Isaiah 7:14 it says a Virgin shall conceive and bear a Son.... It didn't say sons.....similarly in Rev:12vs1-17 talks about a singular son by this very woman..Mary and you can also check Zechariah 12:10 and see where the scriptures said Jesus would be mourned like an only son....
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 6:08pm On Dec 27, 2017
Okay, maybe Mary didn’t have children after Jesus.

But that means all the subsequent sexual Intercourse between her and Koseph never Med to any fertilisation?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 6:11pm On Dec 27, 2017
So after the Birth of Jesus, Joseph started firing blanks.
All the sex Joseph had with Mary did not lead to more children.

Is there anywhere in the Bible that expressly states:
“And Mary DID NOT have any other Children after Jesus “

Please show me EXACTLY where that was written in the Bible
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 6:15pm On Dec 27, 2017
irynterri:
personally I believe Mary did not have any other children because of the incidence at the cross as recorded in John 19:26-27 when Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing near by, he said to her, woman behold your son and to the disciple behold your mother and from that moment the disciple took her to his home. Even if you read history, it is on record she lived with the apostle John in present day Turkey till she died, please if she had other children or her husband was till alive, would she have lived her whole life with another person? would Jesus had bothered handing her over till she died? personally I'm of the opinion that it is only someone that does not believe that Jesus is God that would believe that she had other children. If you believe that the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the word was God.....and the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us as testified in the Gospel of John chapter 1 then you will understand that it is not possible for the womb that carried God to carry a mortal man, if you understand how powerful Jesus is that John the Baptist described himself as not fit to undo the straps of his sandals you will understand that the breasts that suckled him cannot suckle a mortal man. May the Good Lord grant us wisdom,Amen


If God never wanted any “human-interference”
Why would he send his son to come as a baby?

What makes you feel God and Or Jesus will feel disrespected if another child sucks his mothers breast? Or come from his mother’s womb?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 6:36pm On Dec 27, 2017
Dikemaria:
Another example that gladly shows that Mary had no other child other than Jesus is, the search for Jesus in the temple after the feast of the pasch as related in Luke 2:42-50... From that scenario we observed that Jesus was 12 years old and that his parents came to the temple with him alone and searched for him after they discovered he was dead... If truly he had other blood siblings, they should have joined in coming to the temple as well as searching for him...

Secondly all through the scriptures no one is referred to as the son or daughter of Joseph/Mary as we see in the scriptures...E.g James and John Sons of Zebedee, Son of Alphesus etc.. as well as so many other signs...


YOU ARE DEAD WRONG HERE!!

“Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭2:41-42‬ ‭NIV‬‬

THE PARENTS WENT EVERY YEAR. BOY JESUS ONLY FOLLOWED THEM WHEN HE REACHED YHE AGE OF 12.( ACCORDING TO THE LAW).

So which other Children did you expect them to go with THAT JUST TURNED 12 that particular year?

If Jesus had older “half brothers” from Joseph’s other wife(ves), they must have done their own Temple visit before that incidence in Luke.

Because the Gospel writers were essentially writing the Biography of JESUS, they did not write about SUBSEQUENT temple visits when Jesus’s Yoinger ones would have reached their own 12 years.

Or are you implying that the event described in Like above was a one-off incidence which only happened when Jesus turned 12?

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by irynterri(f): 6:38pm On Dec 27, 2017
LaaJiblik:



If God never wanted any “human-interference”
Why would he send his son to come as a baby?

What makes you feel God and Or Jesus will feel disrespected if another child sucks his mothers breast? Or come from his mother’s womb?
is not about disrespect its about theological impossibility for one to be a half brother of God

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 6:40pm On Dec 27, 2017
irynterri:
is not about disrespect its about theological impossibility for one to be a half brother of God

WHY?
IF GOD COULD CHOOSE A MORTAL WOMAN, TO BEAR JESUS, THEN IT WILL SUDDENLY PAIN GOD IF ANOTHER CHILD SUCK THE BREAST OF MARY?

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by irynterri(f): 7:58pm On Dec 27, 2017
LaaJiblik:


WHY?
IF GOD COULD CHOOSE A MORTAL WOMAN, TO BEAR JESUS, THEN IT WILL SUDDENLY PAIN GOD IF ANOTHER CHILD SUCK THE BREAST OF MARY?
because he can't have a half brother and a blood line on earth. imagine if he had a brother who can get married and have kids, people would actually worship them and put them second to God that "blood line" would be termed holy from generation to generation
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by Uyi168: 8:17pm On Dec 27, 2017
LaaJiblik:
Okay, maybe Mary didn’t have children after Jesus.

But that means all the subsequent sexual Intercourse between her and Koseph never Med to any fertilisation?
..Abeg help me ask them o..
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by Uyi168: 8:19pm On Dec 27, 2017
irynterri:
is not about disrespect its about theological impossibility for one to be a half brother of God
,Theological impossible,says who?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 9:20pm On Dec 27, 2017
LaaJiblik:
Okay, maybe Mary didn’t have children after Jesus.

But that means all the subsequent sexual Intercourse between her and Koseph never Med to any fertilisation?
Some people decide to be Virgins for the sake of the Kingdom of God
Mt 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 9:25pm On Dec 27, 2017
LaaJiblik:
So after the Birth of Jesus, Joseph started firing blanks.
All the sex Joseph had with Mary did not lead to more children.

Is there anywhere in the Bible that expressly states:
“And Mary DID NOT have any other Children after Jesus “

Please show me EXACTLY where that was written in the Bible
You seem to think everyone is interested in sex. The bible says people give up for the sake of the Kingdom of God.

in Rev14.4
These are they who were not defiled with women: for they are virgins. These follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were purchased from among men, the firstfruits to God and to the Lamb:
And in
Mt 19:22
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are somep eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 9:32pm On Dec 27, 2017
LaaJiblik:



If God never wanted any “human-interference”
Why would he send his son to come as a baby?

What makes you feel God and Or Jesus will feel disrespected if another child sucks his mothers breast? Or come from his mother’s womb?
Why didn't Jesus come through the seed of a man?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 9:39pm On Dec 27, 2017
MosesAlex:

You seem to think everyone is interested in sex. The bible says people give up for the sake of the Kingdom of God.

in Rev14.4
These are they who were not defiled with women: for they are virgins. These follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were purchased from among men, the firstfruits to God and to the Lamb:
And in
Mt 19:22
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are somep eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men[/b][b]: and there b[b]e eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.[/b] He that is able to receive it, let him receive it


SO JOSEPH WAS A EUNUCH? WE ARE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT JOSEPH HERE. DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR STAND THAT JOSEPH NEVER HAD SEX WITH MARY AFTER THE BIRTH OF CHRIST?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 9:41pm On Dec 27, 2017
MosesAlex:

Why didn't Jesus come through the seed of a man?

GOD DECIDED THAT JESUS WILL COME THROUGH A MORTAL, REPEAT MORTAL MARY
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 9:43pm On Dec 27, 2017
irynterri:
because he can't have a half brother and a blood line on earth. imagine if he had a brother who can get married and have kids, people would actually worship them and put them second to God that "blood line" would be termed holy from generation to generation

IS THAT AN INFERENCE OR YOU HAVE ANY SCRIPTURES TO BACK IT UP?
HOW COME PEOPLE DID NOT WORSHIP MARY (THE MOTHER) OR WORSHIP JOSEPH (THE EARTHLY FATHER)?

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