butterflyl1on:


Let me post a portion of your comment again so you would see it yourself

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Your comment above is an absolute one. Yet again here you are saying I DONT KNOW. which in itself is not an absolute statement.

Tell me you cannot understand your own comment which is in black and white here.

butterflyl1on:

The evidence doesn't have to be self generated but they were chosen to be SELF BELIEVED.

frank317:


I repeat... i dont believe God exist because of the lack of knowledge of his existence.

There nothing hard to understand in the statement above

I dont believe a known creator of the world exists. I dont know if the world was created or not and I dont care

butterflyl1on:


I don't believe God exists because of the lack of knowledge of his existence is quite different from your comment below



So evidence or no evidence you don't care. So it's not about evidence for you.

frank317:


Ok...


Why should i care... evidence or not, what impact does his existence have in this world? If he exists somewhere, what impact will my belief in his existence do to his existence.

The fact is that a believe in a God weather he exist or not is a completely useless venture.

Why should i care... evidence or not, what impact does his existence have in this world? If he exists somewhere, what impact will my belief in his existence do to his existence

butterflyl1on:


Budaatum do you see how he went from I don't care to I don't believe because there is no evidence to that effect and now finally back to confessing that



So I was right when I said that evidence or not you don't care. I was also right when said you were angry earlier because it was under such emotions that you actually spoke the truth and later wanted to deny it but here you are finally admitting it after being shown your very words.

frank317:

of course assumption differs from faith. I didnt say other wise, i said faith is based on assumptions. Faith does not give testing a chance. pls define Faith. From the christian perspective, Faith is evidence of things HOPED for. You just hope for it and claim u have evidence. Thats having faith based on assumption.


so how can i test your religious saying - God created the world? isnt it by questioning it? I questioned it and find out your belief is filled with nothing but assumption


good


oga many Christians think you will go to hell for being a pagan. Ask butterflylion if u will go to heaven as a pagan. are u a learner?



where will i find God then? where is he hiding?

butterflyl1on:


Budaatum do you see how he went from I don't care to I don't believe because there is no evidence to that effect and now finally back to confessing that .......

vaxx:
'' the only living scripture is you, every other scripture are work dead''(anonymous quote) why should you rely on christian scripture? the only truth can only come from you. i told you earlier, do not depend on borrowed answer ,it is capable of stealing your future. you ask me to define faith. faith base on mariam webster dictionary, it define faith as a complete trust or confidence in someone or something without proof.....

so an intelligent person like you may ask me why should i trust or have confidence on something that has no proof?..
let me tell you something about proof , proof itself is a kind of agreement we settle upon just to achieve mental convenience and that is why an established proof can be challenge or upset at anytime. This is the same error many atheist are making on nairaland that science has proven evolution or big bang. scientist themselves knows that scientific methods prove nothing - they only provide reason to consider an hypothesis falsified. That reason may be very compelling - so compelling that we decide to trust it completely. In that moment we declare our faith. and that is why i subscribe to webster dictionary definition.

you dont question faith, unless it is a blind faith base on assumption. faith is smarter than the question,he knows far better than the question even to the point where the question can not reached...... that is why i will advice you to experience real faith that is not base on nothingness....

form my own experience , i have meet more cool Christians than the fanatics one

where will you find God? you can only find him through yourself .....
where is he hiding? his handwork is writing all over you...... i will advice you to put your five senses to work so you can experience the living God

butterflyl1on:


If you wouldn't mind, I would like you to give me a list of ALL the evidence for God you said is available and we will assess their so called flimsy nature. Mind you, you must be truthful enough to give me ALL.



Your statement here is self refuting. God is already doing so to them that first believe and not to those who first wish to see before they believe. Before you experience something from the one offering the experience he has conditions you must meet and when you fail to meet these conditions and do not get this experience would you blame the experience giver or yourself? How can you expect God to reveal himself to someone whose foundation is a lack of belief of His existence. How does that work? Can I get into a car that I do not see in my spirit? Can I eat and enjoy a meal I openly declared does not exist? Even when I do, I could easily call it a different name just to convince myself that I still did not eat that meal.



Since you have chosen not to meet His condition for the experience I can conclude that you either deliberately do not want him to exist to you or since he exists and your pride has been speaking that he does not exist then you would do or say anything to deny his existence to you.

Like what?

frank317:

Faith is complete trust in something without proof and u say it has nothing to do with assumption. You say it has to do with research... continue.
You tell me to find God outside the scriptures, christians tell me to find God in the scriptures, who will i believe. Well, i didnt find any God both inside and outside the scriptures. I tried and find out that both u and Christians are confidently living a lie.



Ok


How do i experience real faith? By following some.mumbo jumbo any theist present to me? Do i just wake up in the morning and start experiencing faith?


Haven't u met cool atheist? How many atheists u met preached violence to u?
So how many Christians did u meet that didnt find God in the scriptures?


U want to turn me to a magician?

butterflyl1on:


I don't believe God exists because of the lack of knowledge of his existence is quite different from your comment below



So evidence or no evidence you don't care. So it's not about evidence for you.

butterflyl1on:


Sigh!

But you have been talking about this imaginary God since na without any input from me yet you claim he indeed is imaginary? You well so?

You have a very vivid and tangible imagination

frank317:


I dont even know what u are saying...shalock homes.. lol

butterflyl1on:


Budaatum do you see how he went from I don't care to I don't believe because there is no evidence to that effect and now finally back to confessing that



So I was right when I said that evidence or not you don't care. I was also right when said you were angry earlier because it was under such emotions that you actually spoke the truth and later wanted to deny it but here you are finally admitting it after being shown your very words.

butterflyl1on:


You are beyond daft. When did an analogy about faith become an analogy about God and drugs? Are you sure you are not a robot who rubbish goes into and rubbish comes out of?

I am making an analogy about faith and its variants using drugs and you are talking about me comparing drugs to God. Indeed a lot of non intelligent people are everywhere on nairaland.

If I wish to talk about faith and God this is how I will do so right now. You say YOU DO NOT BELIEVE GOD EXISTS or YOU LACK THE BELIEF THAT GOD EXISTS . now this is simply word play because all I need to do is switch the words around like this

YOU BELIEVE GOD DOES NOT EXIST. Let me put it side by side for easier comparison

YOU LACK THE BELIEF THAT GOD EXISTS
YOU BELIEVE GOD DOES NOT EXIST

LACK SIMPLY MEANS BEING WITHOUT OR NOT HAVING WHICH IS A NEGATIVE.

so you have negative faith. Your lack of belief in the existence of God came from a personal non universal experience which cannot be empirically verified.

If your level of reasoning is very low it is not any fault of mine. It simply means you need to do all you can to raise it up which unfortunately your comments here show that even in that department, you are deficient (ANOTHER NEGATIVE).

vaxx:
if you say there is no convincing evidence, do you also have convincing evidence to reject it.... do you now see it goes into each other

butterflyl1on:


You just proved yourself going by your comments to be an antitheist and a Godhater.

Something really nasty must have happened to you in your younger years to bring about this hate filled position of yours. Something that you felt you really needed God or his worshippers to help fix but it still went very bad.

Your other comments about God not existing and even if he did you do not care is just you still rebelling and trying very hard (although futile) to get back at God for that incident.

So sad that you have lived all this while with this much pain and trying so hard to punch God for real but always failing. It must hurt real bad.

Anyway if you accept his existence or not. If you worship him or not, life Goes on.

butterflyl1on:



Anyway if you accept his existence or not. If you worship him or not, life Goes on.

ScienceWatch:
I agree !! He is an Anti-Christ, therefore no evidence will suffice. He has made a firm commitment to worship his deity called NO-god. MAy the force be with him.

frank317:


isnt this a prove of how useless his existence or not is to us? life always goes on and thats what matters

frank317:


If i, an ordinary human, is capable of hating your so called almighty God then I really must say ur God is useless.

Well if you say I hate your God, so be it... I will stuff hot iron into his anus when ever he crosses my path. he knows i hate him thats why he is scared of me.

butterflyl1on:


Yes it does. Hate it or love it. Hate Him or love Him. Sleep or no sleep. Death or no death. Pain or pleasure. Life Goes on.

Some learn to move on from the pain and hurt and tears and hate and sleepless nights. But I can see that this is something you have found impossible to do.

Yes life Goes on. Your life has gone on but you chose to carry along all the excessive weight of negativity as you went on. It's so sad that when people are like this, they never stop to do a before and now assessment of their emotions and inner turmoil. If they actually did they would discover that there was so much light and joy and laughter in their hearts and lives before than now.

God bless you and I pray you heal soon and rediscover this God who never stopped loving you despite all your hate toward him and all your impudence.

This is 2018. Learn to live pain free. Hurt free, bitterness free and life would reveal how deeply indeed you are loved.

butterflyl1on:



God bless you and I pray you heal soon and rediscover this God who never stopped loving you despite all your hate toward him and all your impudence.

frank317:


I repeat... i dont believe God exist because of the lack of knowledge of his existence.

There nothing hard to understand in the statement above

frank317:



Well if you say I hate your God, so be it... I will stuff hot iron into his anus when ever he crosses my path. he knows i hate him thats why he is scared of me.

butterflyl1on:


Yes it does. Hate it or love it. Hate Him or love Him. Sleep or no sleep. Death or no death. Pain or pleasure. Life Goes on.

Some learn to move on from the pain and hurt and tears and hate and sleepless nights. But I can see that this is something you have found impossible to do.

Yes life Goes on. Your life has gone on but you chose to carry along all the excessive weight of negativity as you went on. It's so sad that when people are like this, they never stop to do a before and now assessment of their emotions and inner turmoil. If they actually did they would discover that there was so much light and joy and laughter in their hearts and lives before than now.

God bless you and I pray you heal soon and rediscover this God who never stopped loving you despite all your hate toward him and all your impudence.

This is 2018. Learn to live pain free. Hurt free, bitterness free and life would reveal how deeply indeed you are loved.

ScienceWatch:
But I am not scared of you. Hatred is the weapon of choice of the weak.

Einstein said it best,
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”

JacksonD7:
And one day these fishes decided to live on land. In time, the amphibious offspring of these fishes gave birth to reptiles, and these reptiles gave birth to mammals.

These mammals then gave birth to apes, and the apes have birth to your human ancestors, who have birth to you. I don't know about you, but for me the entire scenario above, sounds like a plot device from a terrible sci-fi novel.

Despite the odds stacked against it, atheists are still die hard believers of evolution. Despite the frequent dismissals of evolution for lack of evidence, despite the theory defying logic and common sense. Despite atheists not knowing all there is to know about evolution, they still believe that evolution is true.