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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(m): 6:16pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:
First he didn't mention that he prayed in the instance of the first wife.
Pentecostal Christians pray about almost everything in their lives. There is no way that he didn’t pray for his wife to deliver the baby safely.

Even if he did, we don't claim as christians that every prayer gets answered.
If just 5% of prayers got answered, pentecostal Christians would be doing so well that most atheists would quickly convert to Christianity.

I know you also have reasons which explain why the third testimony is also purely of luck. please share those reasons. I have an interest in seeing just how good you are at twisting super obvious facts around.
I will do that when you tell us whether or not you would convert to Islam if a Muslim gave almost identical testimonies as evidence for Islam.

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 6:19pm On Feb 11, 2018
And seun asked a question you refused to answer IF A MUSLIM TOLD THESE STORIES,ONLY THIS TIME REPLACING CHURCH WITH MOSQUE AND USING ALLAH FOR GOD WOULD YOU CONVERT TO ISLAM
ANSWER : YES/NO

No need to address this question I have seen ur reply,and since ur won't become a Muslim because of those stories how do you expect us to become Christians

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 6:22pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:
And about a Muslim sharing that with me. I'll definitely believe him if he said he experienced it, but I won't change to Islam because I'm not even religious to begin with. I live by Faith, it's a different experience from being religious-at least by my definition.
So I'll believe the guy, because he is the one who experienced it, so it defies logic for me to try redefining someone's experience to them. I'll simply attribute it to God's love and mercies. Cos contrary to your belief,it's only your sin God hates, he not only likes you, he actually love you more than your parents or spouse do.

Or I could just attribute it to something about the workings of God that I am yet to learn.

[b]Ihear people talk about their experience of seeing reincarnated dead people. I don't believe in that, and my disbelief in it is founded on the scripture that says "it is only appointed for man to die once". [/b]But since I'm not high I don't disbelief the experience they state, neither do I try convincing them that they didn't see what they claimed. Rather I just think it's either a demon puts on the appearance of such dead folks, or there's still a phenomenon that I'm yet to understand. I think this is a better approach to worldview than trying to convince folks who describe their experience of the supernatural against their own sharp mental records solely because spirituality doesn't exist I. your world, and so it musn't in anyone else's.

What of when the bible said that Saul consulted a medium and she made the dead Samuel reappear abi u never see am for ur bible
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by awesomeJ(m): 6:26pm On Feb 11, 2018
darkchild64:


the proof that we can not deny is a regrown limb,show us a video of an amputee getting a new limb and you win your argument
You're welcome. But I don't even have an argument, talk less of wanting a win. In case, you're not clear about the thread's purpose. It's to get someone specific to sign up for an experience whose terms we'll both agree on beforehand, that will give him a super strong proof for the existence of God.

However, if you want this limb proof so bad. Get a US visa on your passport and go visit Pastor Keith Moore in Brason Missouri. Tell him you want to be a student in his healing school for 1 year. Now while most healings that'll take place there wouldn't appear extraordinary, because God is not a magician, and it would be demeaning to his personality to try impress you. But I guarantee to 100% that if you make it to every session, you'll see 1 or 2 0r 3 or more of spectacular and extraordinary healing experience on a scale of a regrown amputated limb, before you complete your stay.

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by awesomeJ(m): 6:32pm On Feb 11, 2018
Seun:

Pentecostal Christians pray about almost everything in their lives. There is no way that he didn’t pray for his wife to deliver the baby safely.


If just 5% of prayers got answered, pentecostal Christians would be doing so well that most atheists would quickly convert to Christianity.


I will do that when you tell us whether or not you would convert to Islam if a Muslim gave almost identical testimonies as evidence for Islam.

He also didn't say whether or not he was a Christian at the time. Remember I mentioned today was his first day in our church, and he didn't quite look religious. He might have been an unbeliever.

Now check out this argument, and tell me what you think of its proponent:

Pentecostal Christians pray about everything,
Therefore a man who shared a testimony in a Pentecostal church prayed about all his past experience.

On the Islam stuff, I already gave my answer, check page 1. Your turn now.

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Butterflyl10n: 6:32pm On Feb 11, 2018
Seun:

Pentecostal Christians pray about almost everything in their lives. There is no way that he didn’t pray for his wife to deliver the baby safely.


If just 5% of prayers got answered, pentecostal Christians would be doing so well that most atheists would quickly convert to Christianity.


I will do that when you tell us whether or not you would convert to Islam if a Muslim gave almost identical testimonies as evidence for Islam.

You don't have time ooo but you have time for your usual type and send rebuttal techniques but get up, go and experience technique is a taboo to you and yet one of your kind called you all materialistic by nature. grin cheesy

What a big joke.
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by awesomeJ(m): 6:33pm On Feb 11, 2018
darkchild64:
And seun asked a question you refused to answer IF A MUSLIM TOLD THESE STORIES,ONLY THIS TIME REPLACING CHURCH WITH MOSQUE AND USING ALLAH FOR GOD WOULD YOU CONVERT TO ISLAM
ANSWER : YES/NO

No need to address this question I have seen ur reply,and since ur won't become a Muslim because of those stories how do you expect us to become Christians
Even though I'd love to see you saved, I never said I expected you to be.

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by wirinet(m): 6:34pm On Feb 11, 2018
Seun:

Here’s the problem with testimonies. They suffer from selection bias. When people experience bad luck, they don’t give testimonies, but when they experience good luck, they give testimonies. That gives listeners the impression that more good things are happening to the brethren.

If you told us the story of your life, mentioning only the positive things you have experienced, we would be envious of your good fortune.
However, if you mentioned only your negative experiences, we would think you were the most pathetic loser in the world. See what I mean?


The urge to pray in a church and cry to God was not mysterious. It is normal for a Christian who thinks his wife will die to do such things.

The successful delivery of his second wife was to be expected, since most deliveries are successful. The fact that he lost his first wife and child in childbirth makes the story even less impressive to me, because he would have taken more precautions e.g. getting her admitted at a better hospital. It also made me wonder why his miracle-working God didn’t answer his prayers when his first wife and child died on the same day.

The fact that both wives had difficult deliveries may be a coincidence. It may also be that he is a large man attracted to small-sized women.

Suppose a Muslim told you the same story you just told us, only replacing words like ‘church’ with ‘mosque’, etc. Would you convert to Islam?

Oga Seun, the OP's undeniable proof is a sort of anti climax, we were expecting some brilliant and intellectual arguments, but all he presented were unverifiable, incoherent and unreliable testimonies. We have heard many incredulous and stupid testimonies, we recently heard a testimony of someone who by simply putting a sticker on her gas cylinders never needing to ever buy gas again. We have heard testimony of someone driving from Lagos to abuja on 1 litre of fuel. Just enter the nearest redeem or winners church on any given Sunday and you would hear tens of incredulous and stupid testimonies.

The OP talks as if atheists do not deliver babies safely or that only prayers to the Christian God ensures safe delivery or even pregnancy. The reason safe delivery is such a big deal in Nigeria that requires fasting and prayers is because we have about the worst infant mortality rate in the world. If the so called testimony giver was living in majority atheist but efficient country like Norway, Sweden, Holland or even China, I am certain he would not have lost his first wife and child.

The OP talks about malfunctioning ovaries? Abeg, doctors in the house, what does that mean? All the eggs the Overies will produce are already present at birth. So is the OP saying the ovaries were not releasing the eggs or they were no eggs in the ovaries. Was the lady seeing her period before with the "malfunctioning" ovaries or not.
It seems most of these testimonies are in competition to see the most stupid and incredulous.

Finally, testimonies can never proof the existence of Yahweh, Jesus, Mohammed, Visnu or any other God.

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Butterflyl10n: 6:36pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:


He also didn't say whether or not he was a Christian at the time. Remember I mentioned today was his first day in our church, and he didn't quite look religious. He might have been an unbeliever.

Now check out this argument, and tell me what you think of its proponent:

Pentecostal Christians pray about everything,
Therefore a man who shared a testimony in a Pentecostal church prayed about all his past experience.

On the Islam stuff, I already gave my answer, check page 1. Your turn now.

That Pentecostal Christians pray about everything made me laugh so hard. We pray before we take a dump or brush our teeth or cook dinner cheesy

From the way seun talks, he definitely had no true Christian experience in his past as an ex so called Christian. What he had was robotic by nature. cheesy

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Butterflyl10n: 6:38pm On Feb 11, 2018
wirinet:


Oga Seun, the OP's undeniable proof is a sort of anti climax, we were expecting some brilliant and intellectual arguments, but all he presented were unverifiable, incoherent and unreliable testimonies. We have heard many incredulous and stupid testimonies, we recently heard a testimony of someone who by simply putting a sticker on her gas cylinders never needing to ever buy gas again. We have heard testimony of someone driving from Lagos to abuja on 1 litre of fuel. Just enter the nearest redeem or winners church on any given Sunday and you would hear tens of incredulous and stupid testimonies.

The OP talks as if atheists do not deliver babies safely or that only prayers to the Christian God ensures safe delivery or even pregnancy. The reason safe delivery is such a big deal in Nigeria that requires fasting and prayers is because we have about the worst infant mortality rate in the world. If the so called testimony giver was living in majority atheist but efficient country like Norway, Sweden, Holland or even China, I am certain he would not have lost his first wife and child.

The OP talks about malfunctioning ovaries? Abeg, doctors in the house, what does that mean? All the eggs the Overies will produce are already present at birth. So is the OP saying the ovaries were not releasing the eggs or they were no eggs in the ovaries. Was the lady seeing her period before with the "malfunctioning" ovaries or not.
It seems most of these testimonies are in competition to see the most stupid and incredulous.

Finally, testimonies can never proof the existence of Yahweh, Jesus, Mohammed, Visnu or any other God.

Your whole comment falls flat because the OP did not say he wanted to present arguments. He offered seun a chance to have a personal experience. An experience he can verify and which would not be biased or influenced by the OP.

Read the OP again and amend your comment.

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 6:38pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:

You're welcome. But I don't even have an argument, talk less of wanting a win. In case, you're not clear about the thread's purpose. It's to get someone specific to sign up for an experience whose terms we'll both agree on beforehand, that will give him a super strong proof for the existence of God.

However, if you want this limb proof so bad. Get a US visa on your passport and go visit Pastor Keith Moore in Brandon Missouri. Tell him you want to be a student in his healing school for 1 year. Now while most healings that'll take place there wouldn't appear extraordinary, because God is not a magician, and it would be demeaning to his personality to try impress you. But I guarantee to 100% that if you make it to every session, you'll see 1 or 2 0r 3 or more of spectacular and extraordinary healing experience on a scale of a regrown amputated limb, before you complete your stay.
fine,but your "testimonies" are nothing but everyday occurrences if you want to bring "evidences" start with the one I gave you,except you have time to spare arguing no atheist would have even as much as one degree rise in heart beat because of your "testimonies" be the Christian u wan to be and allow us to see life the way we see it,where was ur "God" when parents prayed earnestly and still their kids died of sickle cell anaemia disease,some of us atheists go to church and we know the things some Christians go through,I know several Christians who have given testimonies of healing and the end of the day died of the ailment,I don't even want to go further because it would be disrespectful of me to use people's mishaps to make my point.

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by awesomeJ(m): 6:38pm On Feb 11, 2018
darkchild64:


What of when the bible said that Saul consulted a medium and she made the dead Samuel reappear abi u never see am for ur bible
Of course I have seen that. But the Bible didn't say it was really Samuel that appeared. Whatever that medium saw could have been a spirit from God or the devil. Have you found in the Bible where a spirit went out from God's presence in heaven to be a lying spirit in the mouth of a prophet who would prophesy to a king so that he would be led to his death? Spiritual things are deep. Understand their crusts first before you try an approach to the core.

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Butterflyl10n: 6:41pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:

Of course I have seen that. But the Bible didn't say it was really Samuel that appeared. Whatever that medium saw could have been a spirit from God or the devil. Have you found in the Bible where a spirit went out from God's presence in heaven to be a lying spirit in the mouth of a prophet who would prophesy to a king so that he would be led to his death? Spiritual things are deep. Understand their crusts first before you try an approach to the core.

Don't turn this into an argument bro and forget the purpose behind your thread. They wish to turn this into an argument which is simply type and send via nairaland while you offered an experience.

Stop engaging them in arguments and stick with your experience offer. I believe it still stands.

Suddenly now seun is eager to type responses and shift you from your focus. Stop falling for his / their games. (after all he called your experience offer a game too)

Take him serious when he reciprocates respect by taking you serious.
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 6:42pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:

Even though I'd love to see you saved, I never said I expected you to be.

Please if you are recommending ur jesus for me ,please keep it,I have taken so much insults in my life,the least I want now is to accept a semitic man as my saviour,what is he saving me fron
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by hopefulLandlord: 6:44pm On Feb 11, 2018
wirinet:


Oga Seun, the OP's undeniable proof is a sort of anti climax, we were expecting some brilliant and intellectual arguments, but all he presented were unverifiable, incoherent and unreliable testimonies. We have heard many incredulous and stupid testimonies, we recently heard a testimony of someone who by simply putting a sticker on her gas cylinders never needing to ever buy gas again. We have heard testimony of someone driving from Lagos to abuja on 1 litre of fuel. Just enter the nearest redeem or winners church on any given Sunday and you would hear tens of incredulous and stupid testimonies.

The OP talks as if atheists do not deliver babies safely or that only prayers to the Christian God ensures safe delivery or even pregnancy. The reason safe delivery is such a big deal in Nigeria that requires fasting and prayers is because we have about the worst infant mortality rate in the world. If the so called testimony giver was living in majority atheist but efficient country like Norway, Sweden, Holland or even China, I am certain he would not have lost his first wife and child.

The OP talks about malfunctioning ovaries? Abeg, doctors in the house, what does that mean? All the eggs the Overies will produce are already present at birth. So is the OP saying the ovaries were not releasing the eggs or they were no eggs in the ovaries. Was the lady seeing her period before with the "malfunctioning" ovaries or not.
It seems most of these testimonies are in competition to see the most stupid and incredulous.

Finally, testimonies can never proof the existence of Yahweh, Jesus, Mohammed, Visnu or any other God.
/thread

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 6:45pm On Feb 11, 2018
Butterflyl10n:


Your whole comment falls flat because the OP did not say he wanted to present arguments. He offered seun a chance to have a personal experience. An experience he can verify and which would not be biased or influenced by the OP.

Read the OP again and amend your comment.

I don't understand this at all,why must it be u believers that will carry everything on ur head,if ur "God" exists and he wants seun and other atheists to acknowledge him,he should simply reveal himself personally to us

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Butterflyl10n: 6:47pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ stick to the purpose of your OP. Do not allow yourself to be swayed as they are trying to do. They want you to come into their comfort zone which is simply talk and more talk. Talk they say is cheap but action isn't and people say action speaks louder than words.

Swallow your ego and do not respond to their normal mundane arguments.

Stick to your objective.

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by awesomeJ(m): 6:49pm On Feb 11, 2018
wirinet:


. The reason safe delivery is such a big deal in Nigeria that requires fasting and prayers is because we have about the worst infant mortality rate in the world. If the so called testimony giver was living in majority atheist but efficient country like Norway, Sweden, Holland or even China, I am certain he would not have lost his first wife and child.

Why not tell that to Ben Carson. Best paediatric neurosurgeon on the planet at the time. Worked in one of the most renowned hospitals in the world. Yet lost his first baby/babies to pregnancy complications days before the first ever surgery for Siamese separation.
It was for lack of good healthcare right?
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by LightSpirit: 6:51pm On Feb 11, 2018
ONCE UPON A TIME, two explorers came to a clearing in the jungle. It was a beautiful place -- thousands and thousands of flowers were blossoming. One of the explorers said, "There must be a gardener tending these flowers, looking after this plot." He was a believer.
The other disagreed and said, "I don't see any gardener here. I don't even see anybody's footprints. And there seems to be no point in making such a beautiful garden in such a dense and deep forest. Who will come to look? Who will enjoy these flowers? Nobody ever passes by. No, there is no gardener. The whole garden is just an accident."

They argued. The second was a nonbeliever, a skeptic. But there was no way to decide who was right, so they pitched their tent and waited for seven days. No gardener ever appeared. The skeptic was very happy. He said, "Look, there is no gardener. It has been proven now." But the believer said, "The gardener is invisible. He comes, but we cannot see him; he comes, but we cannot hear his footsteps. This garden is impossible without a gardener." So they set a barbed wire fence up around the garden. They electrified the wires, they brought bloodhounds, and they patrolled day and night. But nobody ever entered. No shriek was ever heard from the shock of the electricity flowing in the wires. The bloodhounds never gave a cry.

After seven days, the skeptic said. "Finished! Now it is proven beyond doubt that there is no gardener -- visible or invisible." But the believer was not convinced. He said, "The gardener is not only invisible, he is intangible. He has no scent. He is eternally elusive: you cannot catch him by electrified wires, you cannot catch him by bloodhounds, and our eyes cannot see him. But he is -- for certain he is." Now the skeptical friend, in great despair, said, "What happened to your original statement? What is the difference between an invisible, intangible, eternally elusive God, or gardener, and one which is just imaginary, or one which does not exist at all? What is the difference between the two?"

Believers go on talking about an invisible God, skeptical minds go on disproving any possibility of it, and they both seem to be right. Or, they both are wrong. The argument never comes to a conclusion. From the very beginning, the whole line of inquiry has taken the wrong route. Once you separate the gardener from the garden -- God from the creation -- the problem arises. Then it can never be settled. The garden is enough proof of the gardener. But the gardener is not separate. He does not come to tend the garden: He is in the garden; He IS the garden. He does not look after the flowers: He is IN the flowers; He IS the flowers. Not that HE is invisible -- He is visible, but visible as flowers. If you have an idea of God, you will never find Him. The very idea will become the barrier. Only those who have no idea of God come upon Him, or allow God to come upon themselves. If you have a certain idea, the very idea is going to be the wall, the brick wall, between you and the truth.

The believer was not wrong, but he took a wrong line of argument: he divided the gardener from the garden. The gardener cannot be proved because the gardener doesn't exist. A gardener separate from the garden is nonexistential. That's why the skeptical friend could argue. And his argument is valid -- valid not against God or the gardener; valid against the believer. The believer has taken the wrong argument.

To me, God is herenow. All that you see is God. God is not something beyond; God is something within. Or, if you like paradoxes, you can call God the within beyond or the beyond within. But God is intrinsic, God is the innermost core of existence. Unless you start in the right direction, you will go on missing. Never believe in a God who is separate from His creatures and the creation. He is not, He cannot be. He is one with it: He is in it, He is it. Once this is understood, you start flowing; your whole life becomes a prayer.

That is the basic message of Jesus. That's why he goes on saying that "God is my father." It is a way of saying what I am saying to you. Between the father and the son, or between the mother and the child, there is a continuity. The father goes on living in the son; the mother continues in the child. The son is nothing but an extension of the existence of the father -- an extended hand: as if the old body has become incapable of existing and is going to disappear, and the father has created a new body to live within. When Jesus says, "God is my father," he simply means that "I am continuous with Him; there has never been a separation. He is flowing in me: in my every cell He is flowing. Nowhere has there been a discontinuity." That is the whole meaning of it, but he uses the word 'father' because he is talking to very simple, unsophisticated people. He is talking to real people, not to plastic people; he is not talking in a university. He is talking to real people -- people who are alive. He uses the word 'father'. And it is beautiful in a way, because unless religion becomes personal, it remains a philosophy. When religion becomes personal, it becomes life. Religion is something to be lived, not something to brood about. It is something that should become a milieu around you; it is something that should become a continuous breathing, continuous beating of the heart. Religion is a way of life, a way of being. It has nothing to do with thinking. When Jesus says, "God is father," he means this existence is not alien, this existence is a home. You can rest in it, you can rely on it; you need not be afraid.

This is one of the most significant things to be understood, because modern man is so much afraid. Never before has that been so. Never before in the history of humankind has man been as afraid as he is now.

The world is a unity. Existence is a family; we exist together. Life is togetherness, and that togetherness is God. If you cannot feel that togetherness, you will feel alien and you will always be afraid. To a truly religious man(not the Christian, Muslim etc), fearlessness happens spontaneously. To a nonreligious man, fear is the only way to be. 'God, the father' can be translated. It means: existence is one; it is a togetherness. It is a harmony, not a conflict. We are members of each other. Whenever somebody dies, something in me also dies. Whenever a new child is born, something is born into me also. Whenever a new child is there, life becomes more alive through him -- life smiles. Whenever somebody dies, there are tears. It has to be so, because I come out of life; I go back into life. Life was trying to do something through me. Everybody is a messenger; everybody is a messiah; everybody has a destiny to fulfill. And until you fulfill that destiny, you will never feel fulfilled. You can have much money, but fulfillment will not come through it. You can have much sex; fulfillment will not come through it. You can have much power; fulfillment will not come through it.

Fulfillment comes only when you have fulfilled a certain destiny that you were carrying, that was coded within you, that was deep in your blueprint. Unless you have become that for which you were made -- unless you have attained to being -- you will never be fulfilled. Fulfillment is peace, fulfillment is bliss, fulfillment is contentment. And only a fulfilled heart can pray, because only a fulfilled heart can be grateful and can feel the grace descending: the spirit of God, like a dove.

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 6:52pm On Feb 11, 2018
Although I don't believe miracles or testimonies can be enough to convince an atheist that God exists

I will like know why Christians on nairaland are not given a section or subsection on nairaland under the guise of Christ atheism,

However, Muslims are given a sub section on nairaland under the guise of Islamic exegisists confession of shahada "I witness that there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah."

Is it because of "I witness there is no god" that confused Mr seun because in Islam there is no god but God(Allah)

I believe mr seun can also look into the possibility of giving christian atheist who believe in the teaching of Christ, but don't necessarily believe in God their own section.

let the general atheist have the floor here
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Butterflyl10n: 6:52pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:

Why not tell that to Ben Carson. Best paediatric neurosurgeon on the planet at the time. Worked in one of the most renowned hospitals in the world. Yet lost his first baby/babies to pregnancy complications days before the first ever surgery for Siamese separation.
It was for lack of good healthcare right?


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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Butterflyl10n: 6:52pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:

Why not tell that to Ben Carson. Best paediatric neurosurgeon on the planet at the time. Worked in one of the most renowned hospitals in the world. Yet lost his first baby/babies to pregnancy complications days before the first ever surgery for Siamese separation.
It was for lack of good healthcare right?

You just do not listen. Stop being distracted by their antics and focus on your objective.

Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(m): 6:55pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ post[quote author=awesomeJ:
And about a Muslim sharing that with me. I'll definitely believe him if he said he experienced it, but I won't change to Islam because I'm not even religious to begin with. I live by Faith, it's a different experience from being religious-at least by my definition.
I understand that you won’t convert to Islam, which, as darkchild64 said, begs the question of why you think that people ought to accept these testimonies as evidence that Christianity is true. Sadly, I don’t understand the reason you gave. Can you explain it more clearly?

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 6:55pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:

Of course I have seen that. But the Bible didn't say it was really Samuel that appeared. Whatever that medium saw could have been a spirit from God or the devil. Have you found in the Bible where a spirit went out from God's presence in heaven to be a lying spirit in the mouth of a prophet who would prophesy to a king so that he would be led to his death? Spiritual things are deep. Understand their crusts first before you try an approach to the core.
Ist Samuel 28 vs 11-
Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?”
And he said, “Bring up Samuel for me.”
When the woman saw SAMUEL she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!”
And the king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What did you see?”
And the woman said to Saul “I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.”
So he said to her, “What is his form?”
And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.” And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down NOW SAMUEL SAID TO SAUL “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”

u see the the kind of Christians we have today,when we say that the average atheist knows the bible more than Christians u guyz think we are insulting you,brother if you don't have something meaningful to say,don't comment rather than embarrass itself,what would you now say of the passage where the bible said that after the death if Jesus saints resurrected from their graves and started walking around,those ones were zombies abi ?
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by awesomeJ(m): 6:57pm On Feb 11, 2018
Butterflyl10n:


Don't turn this into an argument bro and forget the purpose behind your thread. They wish to turn this into an argument which is simply type and send via nairaland while you offered an experience.

Stop engaging them in arguments and stick with your experience offer. I believe it still stands.

Suddenly now seun is eager to type responses and shift you from your focus. Stop falling for his / their games. (after all he called your experience offer a game too)

Take him serious when he reciprocates respect by taking you serious.
Well, dear brother, the focus is still very clearly defined. I definitely haven't argued and I won't- that's based on my definition of argument.
I am only trying so share some knowledge with folks to see who picks what. I wouldn't force my opinion on anyone.
When Jesus took time to reply the pharisees despite their palpable sarcasm, he surely wasn't arguing with them. Rather he said things that his disciples of that time learnt from, and which we of now, and those to com, will learn from.
Hope you had a great worship time today.
Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Butterflyl10n: 7:01pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:

Well, dear brother, the focus is still very clearly defined. I definitely haven't argued and I won't- that's based on my definition of argument.
I am only trying so share some knowledge with folks to see who picks what. I wouldn't force my opinion on anyone.
When Jesus took time to reply the pharisees despite their palpable sarcasm, he surely wasn't arguing with them. Rather he said things that his disciples of that time learnt from, and which we of now, and those to com, will learn from.
Hope you had a great worship time today.

Jesus did so physically and demonstratively. You offered a demonstratively experiential approach which you would talk about after the experience and they rejected the experience even before you finished typing simply because they know they would fail in that area.

They are not ready for your talk because they already have ready made rebuttals for them regardless of how ridiculous it may be or look.

People with deliberate hearts of stone have made a choice and your words cannot break it. The Pharisees were believers of God and in the law but these ones here have declared that THERE IS NO GOD and GOD DOES NOT EXIST. Do not liken them to the Pharisees.

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Butterflyl10n: 7:02pm On Feb 11, 2018
Seun:

I understand that you won’t convert to Islam, which, as darkchild64 said, begs the question of why you think that people ought to accept these testimonies as evidence that Christianity is true. Sadly, I don’t understand the reason you gave. Can you explain it more clearly?

Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by wirinet(m): 7:09pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:

Why not tell that to Ben Carson. Best paediatric neurosurgeon on the planet at the time. Worked in one of the most renowned hospitals in the world. Yet lost his first baby/babies to pregnancy complications days before the first ever surgery for Siamese separation.
It was for lack of good healthcare right?

Is this a rebuttal of the fact that Nigeria has one of the worst infant mortality rate on the planet?

What has Ben Carson has to do with the fact that ten per cent of new-born deaths in the world last year occurred in Nigeria?

Read here for your enlightenment;


Nigeria has third highest infant mortality rate in the world – WHO

Nearly ten per cent of new-born deaths in the world last year occurred in Nigeria, a new report by the United Nations Children Fund, UNICEF, has revealed.

According to the report, five countries accounted for half of all new-born deaths last year, with Nigeria third in the list. These are India (24 per cent), Pakistan (10 per cent), Nigeria (9 per cent), the Democratic Republic of the Congo (4 per cent) and Ethiopia (3 per cent). Most new-born deaths occurred in two regions: Southern Asia (39 per cent) and sub-Saharan Africa (38 per cent).
https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/246720-nigeria-third-highest-infant-mortality-rate-world.html/amp

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Nobody: 7:14pm On Feb 11, 2018
I would emphasize this once again,no offence to Christians but I don't believe in ur "God" because I don't see any evidence of his existence, u claim it is the other way round for you the obvious is everywhere, fine some other sincere Christians admit that it is just by faith,in other words there is no concrete evidence,whichever believe what u want to
AS LONG AS AM CONCERNED I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY "GOD" WHO THINKS(IF HE EXISTS) THAT IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO REVEAL HIMSELF TO ME,IN FACT PHYSICALLY,AND FROM THERE THE BASIS OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WOULD BE CLEARLY DEFINED AND ESTABLISHED
if that doesn't happen, there is little or no chance of me becoming a religious person,irrespective of ur "wonderful" testimonies, you Christians are funny,do u think christianity is the only religion in the world or do u think other religions don't claim that they speak to "God" and experience miracles,why should I accept ur own and not the one from an Islam or Buddhist or Hindu,t

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by awesomeJ(m): 7:24pm On Feb 11, 2018
LightSpirit:
ONCE UPON A TIME, two explorers came to a clearing in the jungle. It was a beautiful place -- thousands and thousands of flowers were blossoming. One of the explorers said, "There must be a gardener tending these flowers, looking after this plot." He was a believer.
The other disagreed and said, "I don't see any gardener here. I don't even see anybody's footprints. And there seems to be no point in making such a beautiful garden in such a dense and deep forest. Who will come to look? Who will enjoy these flowers? Nobody ever passes by. No, there is no gardener. The whole garden is just an accident."

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So you just want to patronize us right? trying to find a middle ground for both parties to settle at? Well that doesn't cut it for me, because it's not like I'm unsure about whom I know God to be as to want a new definition from you regarding Him.

The God that I as a Christian believe in is:
1. A spirit with an eternal existence, no beginning, no end.
2. At some point he spoke words which caused creation to happen. At His word, the supernatural brought every physical thing into existence, the details of some I don't know, whether a bang was involved I don't know, but what I am sure of is if there was a bang, it happened at his command.
3. He created man in His own image. He formed him purely from dust and gave him the breath of life. He also made him superior to every other creation that's ever been or that'll ever be, which is still evident today.
4. He has a son Jesus, who came to bring redemption to man after his fall. And those that argue that God doesn't have a wife, and so he can't have a son. Here is what you should know: That humans need their wives to bear kids doesn't imply that every being needs a wife to have a child.

If musk had christened his Tesla model X a son of Model S, would you say he was wrong because model S was never in the delivery room?
God created some beings and named them angels. He created Jesus as his own begotten son.

5. He will bring this current world to an end some day. There'll be a judgement for everyman the kind if which determines who gets to live in eternal bliss, and who gets an eternal agony.

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(m): 7:27pm On Feb 11, 2018
@awesomeJ, have you given up on your primary mission? You said these powerful testimonies you’ve shared with me wouldn’t convert you to Islam because “you are not religious”, etc. Please explain it to me like I’m five.

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Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by cyborg123(m): 7:43pm On Feb 11, 2018
LightSpirit:
...

Fulfillment comes only when you have fulfilled a certain destiny that you were carrying, that was coded within you, that was deep in your blueprint. Unless you have become that for which you were made -- unless you have attained to being -- you will never be fulfilled. Fulfillment is peace, fulfillment is bliss, fulfillment is contentment. And only a fulfilled heart can pray, because only a fulfilled heart can be grateful and can feel the grace descending: the spirit of God, like a dove.
So... how can a person discover what his unique destiny is?

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