odiaero:

wast of time and money

waste of whose time and whose money?
think before you write

And some people are saying this guy should not contest for 2nd term.
Shame on them all, shior, (hissed)

Moves:

@ SkyBlue, am not assuming myself to be an authority on any of the issue mentioned here; but based on what i have read and what I have physically witnessed on ground in lagos gave rise to my submission; if you have more information or allude to being better informed please provide evidence,
Kindly Note and Understand that there is a clear difference between something being proposed and actualisation; hence the Infrastructures that I Mentioned might have been proposed ala light railway (since Jakande); 4th mainland bridge; oh and no major roads are bad in lagos again,

What exactly did you read? For a start, did you actually read the other posts on this thread or did you just choose to ignore the ones that explained that work has actually started on the light rail project which is also a PPP project? Did you fail to read a list of all the other ongoing projects? Did you fail to read that work has already started on the Lekki project? Over a period of time in 2008 over hundred different road projects were ongoing in Lagos, information you could have obtained from basic research? So what exactly did you read because what I am informing you about has also been partly formed as a result of "reading". The last part of your post is simply absurd, since when has multi tasking become a crime? Apologies but I find this to be another exercise in futility and your posts are beginning to get a tad irritating especially since you keep asking questions which have been answered a million times already on this thread (which you claim to have read) as a substitute for debate. I will not indulge you any further, arguing is not a hobby of mine. Have a nice day  

Everyone is saying elite this and that but the project is privately funded I mean what do Nigerians want the FG to control all business in Nigeria? Nigerians make no sense, one minute they complain about Governement controling everything and looting- the next they complain about Elites and private business ventures. Wetin concern people if its not govt money?

The fact of the matter is Private investors arent there to "better the lives of people" without gaining revenue in return, the job of the LAG Govt is to make Lagos state business friendly so investors can invest create jobs, and revenue for the state by taxes from private companies, that will be put into infrastructure.

We dont want a socialist Governemnt, its unrealstic to think a country can develop without elite being the ones who will fund (the needed) private industry.

It is NOT Privately funded . . . a portion of the effort is coming from the state, so public money is involved.

Dis Guy:

someone mentioned 2million jobs in the lekki project alone-that is about half the unemployed adults in lagos

Is this figure from the government or someone got it from the business plan?

I would like to get an answer to that as well. Sure, some jobs will be created but 2 million?

sjeezy8:

Everyone is saying elite this and that but the project is privately funded I mean what do Nigerians want the FG to control all business in Nigeria? Nigerians make no sense, one minute they complain about Governement controling everything and looting- the next they complain about Elites and private business ventures. Wetin concern people if its not govt money?

The fact of the matter is Private investors arent there to "better the lives of people" without gaining revenue in return, the job of the LAG Govt is to make Lagos state business friendly so investors can invest create jobs, and revenue for the state by taxes from private companies, that will be put into infrastructure.

We dont want a socialist Governemnt, its unrealstic to think a country can develop without elite being the ones who will fund (the needed) private industry.

Oh I thought it was a PPP project. no? since its privately funded the govt should then have time and money to finance other projects elsewhere- Schools for students  in uncompleted building with no toilets and many having classes under trees under trees for example, better pay and equipment for medical workers seeing as tehy go on strike every other month or is that too socialist to ask

Dis Guy:

Oh I thought it was a PPP project. no? since its privately funded the govt should then have time and money to finance other projects elsewhere- Schools for students  in uncompleted building with no toilets and many having classes under trees under trees for example, better pay and equipment for medical workers seeing as tehy go on strike every other month or is that too socialist to ask

*sigh* LOOOL.

PPP does not by definition mean government contribute funding. You do NOT know that government is going to pump in funds into the project or what percentage of the capital they would even cover in (if any), concessions and partnership on other areas, sure, but NOT necessarily funding. Please, the internet can be a good tool for basic research, use it .

Eko Atlantic is also a PPP project, why not go do some research and tell us how much of the capital for the project came from government? Lekki free trade zone is another PPP project, similar assignment, go and do some basic research and come back and tell us what proportion of the capital for the project government is covering. We anticipate the results of your findings.

This is not about being against a position, this is just about debates based on plain misinformed and sometimes ignorant arguments so vehemently fought, you would assume the people actually knew what they were talking about.

Dis Guy:

Oh I thought it was a PPP project. no? since its privately funded the govt should then have time and money to finance other projects elsewhere- Schools for students  in uncompleted building with no toilets and many having classes under trees under trees for example, better pay and equipment for medical workers seeing as tehy go on strike every other month or is that too socialist to ask

Yes, it is PPP - Public - Private - So, a portion is definitely coming from the tax payers, hence the reason why the governor is able to go out seeking investors for the state's interest in this project. The public have a stake in this. If it were wholly privately funded, then the governor would not be spending time at all advertising and looking for investors for this as it would be seen as going against the constitution . . .  using public office unfairly.

Do we really want more jakande buildings and nurse "muyiwa" hospitals? I believe the state has the funds to refurb some of our schools. I am just worried about the sort of refurb we are likely to get, even this time around.

my name is Fashola
and i promise that i will not really chop ur money
the truth is that the project will really cost 40b
and my profit will be d rest
because that the cost of my idea

i thief

Sky Blue:

What exactly did you read? For a start, did you actually read the other posts on this thread or did you just choose to ignore the ones that explained that work has actually started on the light rail project which is also a PPP project? Did you fail to read a list of all the other ongoing projects? Did you fail to read that work has already started on the Lekki project? Over a period of time in 2008 over hundred different road projects were ongoing in Lagos, information you could have obtained from basic research? So what exactly did you read because what I am informing you about has also been partly formed as a result of "reading". The last part of your post is simply absurd, since when has multi tasking become a crime? Apologies but I find this to be another exercise in futility and your posts are beginning to get a tad irritating especially since you keep asking questions which have been answered a million times already on this thread (which you claim to have read) as a substitute for debate. I will not indulge you any further, arguing is not a hobby of mine. Have a nice day  

Where Exactly has the work started; the last I heard was that they were waiting for approval from FG; regarding access the Lagos Badagry road, along which the proposed line would run, It is sheer naivety to shout Uhuru on ground breaking exercise regarding any project especially in nigeria, enough examples abound,

Also that a project is PPP does not mean govt money\funding is not going into it; so no PPP is privately funded, both entities both Public & Private have a stakes which can be monetised,
Also quite trying to be smart; no one is ignoring the fact that there are road construction going on in lagos; It is also a fact that 3-4 hours are still lost daily due to bad roads,
Anyway, lets agree to disagree here; I have my own opinion as to where\what Infrastructural priorities of the present lagos should be, And I definately believe it is not in in building airports, Moreover am not keen on arguing with people that lose their decorum in putting forward their opinion

Sky Blue:

*sigh* LOOOL.

PPP does not by definition mean government contribute funding. You do NOT know that government is going to pump in funds into the project or what percentage of the capital they would even cover in (if any), concessions and partnership on other areas, sure, but NOT necessarily funding. Please, the internet can be a good tool for basic research, use it .

Eko Atlantic is also a PPP project, why not go do some research and tell us how much of the capital for the project came from government? Lekki free trade zone is another PPP project, similar assignment, go and do some basic research and come back and tell us what proportion of the capital for the project government is covering. We anticipate the results of your findings.

This is not about being against a position, this just about debates based on plain misinformed and sometimes ignorant arguments so vehemently fought, you would assume the people actually knew what they were talking about.

Sky Blue since the beginning of this thread you have been telling everyone to do basic research- almost as if you have a particular source where people can get this information as to the contribution of the state govt and the private, can you please help out

_{Personally I feel when a govt/company withold information that is not a threat to their security tehy have something to hide!!}
I mean theres a reason why the FOI havent been signed in nigeria

Now back to PPP, How do you know that the Govt will NOT be pumoing some money and other resources into this project
many other ppp project have proven they do so assuming some in teh future will definately involve tthe govt shelling out some in form of land and tax waivers is not exactly off the mark is it?

this is a welcome development. Mega city is here!

Dis Guy:

Sky Blue since the beginning of this thread you have been telling everyone to do basic research- almost as if you have a particular source where people can get this information as to the contribution of the state govt and the private, can you please help out

_{Personally I feel when a govt/company withold information that is not a threat to their security tehy have something to hide!!}
I mean theres a reason why the FOI havent been signed in nigeria

Now back to PPP, How do you know that the Govt will NOT be pumoing some money and other resources into this project
many other ppp project have proven they do so assuming some in teh future will definately involve tthe govt shelling out some in form of land and tax waivers is not exactly off the mark is it?

That is exactly my point, I do not know and guess what? Neither do you (unless of course you are claiming to have seent he contract). I however gave you examples of other major PPP projects the Lagos State government has been involved in whereby no funding came from the government. You do not know that government will contribute to part of the capital. Concessions like in the other PPP projects? Most likely. But funding? You do not know so please stop claiming you do when you don't. People seem to have redefined PPP on this thread as meaning a partnership whereby government contributes funding. That is not necessarily true and there are different types of PPP.

Moves:


Also that a project is PPP does not mean govt money\funding is not going into it; [size=13pt]so no PPP is privately funded, both entities both Public & Private have a stakes which can be monetised, [/size]

That there is the PPP idea

ajibawealt:

This is a case of a misplaced priority. All they want to do is to further increase the gap btw the rich and the poor. I'm sure the proposed airport will be built b4 the 4th mainland bridge and rail projects comes to fruition.

i agree with you but at least he's not enriching his pockets, misplaced priority is better than embezzlement i think.
good one Fashola,
having praised his efforts, i think we need to also put into consideration the percentage(less than average) of the lagos population that'll benefit from the airport and road construction,
i believe there are other important sections that need's attention like rural areas development in the state, the local govt are not performing at all,
others are security and jobs creation projects which will help in youth development.

@poster ^
misplaced priority is better than embezzlement i think.

this is funny, cant we have it all

misplace pririty=abuse=waste
embezzlement=abuse=waste

therefore, misplaced priority is equal to embezzlement

I think the reason why this post is generating so much arguments and exchange of words is because the POSTER started off to mislead people or is it the PM NEWS people who now employs carpenters to do the work of journalist.

For a project that has entered almost 40% work done,you say the govt is seeking finds for it,and worse all,the topic says Fashola Shops For N73.3b For Airport when those were supposed to be for both the airport and the bridge.

I do not think there is any need to discuss the merit or the de-merit of this project cos it wasnt any of our creation and for goodness sake nothing said here on NL will change it when the project has been completed.(IS IT YOUR MONEY !)

Mr moves: U said u think the badagry road project is waiting for approval from the FG,when work has started since last year   .Am sure so many ppl arguing here especially against any good thing from lagos re not resident here and that explains their ignorant cos i dont see the sense in saying things like THE STATE GOVT IS WASTING FUNDS, when you have been told it is a PPP arrangement. And most PPP is basically BOT.

Thank God for lagos ,atleast we can see sometin close to governance. U need to come to places like abia state where state govt rents electric poles for some months to show the media they have installed street lights only for all of it to disappear in months.

tunde300us:

I think the reason why this post is generating so much arguments and exchange of words is because the POSTER started off to mislead people or is it the PM NEWS people who now employs carpenters to do the work of journalist.

For a project that has entered almost 40% work done,you say the govt is seeking finds for it,and worse all,the topic says Fashola Shops For N73.3b For Airport when those were supposed to be for both the airport and the bridge.

I do not think there is any need to discuss the merit or the de-merit of this project cos it wasnt any of our creation and for goodness sake nothing said here on NL will change it when the project has been completed.(IS IT YOUR MONEY !)

Mr moves: U said u think the badagry road project is waiting for approval from the FG,when work has started since last year   .Am sure so many ppl arguing here especially against any good thing from lagos re not resident here and that explains their ignorant cos i dont see the sense in saying things like THE STATE GOVT IS WASTING FUNDS, when you have been told it is a PPP arrangement. And most PPP is basically BOT.

Thank God for lagos ,atleast we can see sometin close to governance. U need to come to places like abia state where state govt rents electric poles for some months to show the media they have installed street lights only for all of it to disappear in months.

i agree with you, esp on the bit about the misconception. . .



Also for those that want a bit more info on the badagry project, this was in the news today, sorry i cant paste the content, i'm browsing via gprs
http://businessdayonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10604:lagos-badagry-road-to-be-completed-within-projected-period-&catid=85:national&Itemid=340

for me this is waste of time an money, MM is already there, they should channel the money into good railway projects not Airport

Guez sm ppl shld jst tink b4 contributin 2a thread lik dz, dz proj z a welcm dev as lng it z funded by PPP so dt our scarce resou cn b usd 4other basic amenitiz. Plz tink Ooo,

There is no project that would be done by the government that won't have an opportunity cost. Some projects are so massive that they would invariably attract much media attention, and this project is one of the them. And as has been repeatedly said, this project is to cater for the development/expansion in the lekki-epe axis i.e LFTZ, Eko atlantic city, numerous estates springing up in that axis etc.

For those who think MMA is okay, that MMA is trash, that place stinks, and there is no plan to do anything about it by the FG, so if Lagos is to build a befitting place for Nigerians/lagosians, thats fine. When MMA was constructed some decades ago, what percentage of Nigerians could afford to fly.

There are numerous projects being done by Lagos state in the mainland which has created Jobs and also improved the lives of people in such areas, of course there is still a lot to be done, but there is no need to slate the airport project.

odiaero:

This does'nt make sense, two Inter Airport in one state, why not Heliport or railway that can convail  people from MMA to the said place at cheaper rate just as it is in some parts of Europe. let me ask you this, how will an Airline carrying 50percent MMA bound persengers and 50percent Lekki Airport persenger go about it, u think he will like to make two drops? never, it is either one of the grouped persengers have to take and suffer for which ever airport the plane land, because JetA1(aviator fuel) is not water and the airline do economized their trips

Ironic you bring Europe into the equation. MMA is one airport that has two terminals (the dilapidated international terminal and the fairly new domestic terminal), how many airports do you think the city of London has? How many terminals alone do you think Heathrow has? Terminal five alone is better equiped and probably bigger than Murtala Mohammed Airport and that is just one terminal out of five of one airport out of four in one city. Economic arguments can be made for the existence of the four airports in London and of such scale, that is the issue, economic arguments, not the "Lagos already has one airport" argument you seem to propose which to be honest makes no sense (my opinion). One could as well argue that Lagos already has one bridge so there should be no construction of other bridges even if there is a huge demand for such. ,  . . . . . see how silly such reasoning sounds?

Ironic you bring Europe into the equation. MMA is one airport that has two terminals (the dilapidated international terminal and the fairly new domestic terminal), how many airports do you think the city of London has? How many terminals alone do you think Heathrow has? Terminal five alone is better equiped and probably bigger than Murtala Mohammed Airport and that is just one terminal out of five of one airport out of four in one city. Economic arguments can be made for the existence of the four airports in London and of such scale, that is the issue, economic arguments, not the "Lagos already has one airport" argument you seem to propose which to be honest makes no sense (my opinion). One could as well argue that Lagos already has one bridge so there should be no construction of other bridges even if there is a huge demand for such. ,  . . . . . , see how silly such reasoning sounds?

Definitely not too hard to know that you are not in Nigeria and definitely not too hidden that you did not get to where you are using your own brain. Some of you here should join facebook rather than arguing here.
I really do think that age should be considered before any one posts on the politics section. I stopped posting in the politics section of nairaland when I learnt that most ppl I argue with havent had their 14th birthday.
Pls this is not meant to be an insult, if you find it so, am sorry.

Oh Goody!!!

I see the thread has once again been taken over by the "INSULT THOSE WHO DO NOT SEE THINGS OUR WAY INTO THE GROUND TO PROVE OUR SIDE IS RIGHT" gang!!! WOOHOO!!!

nobilia:

Definitely not too hard to know that you are not in Nigeria and definitely not too hidden that you did not get to where you are using your own brain. Some of you here should join facebook rather than arguing here.
I really do think that age should be considered before any one posts on the politics section. I stopped posting in the politics section of nairaland when I learnt that most ppl I argue with havent had their 14th birthday.
Pls this is not meant to be an insult, if you find it so, am sorry.

if you have something relevant to contribute please feel free to do so. . .otherwise waka pass, we've been having a good discussion here so far and we dont need pple to come and spoil it. . .post reported!



@odiaero
you're missing the point, you use a plane filled with passengers as your justification, but the airport is tied to the LFTZ, i asked somewhere on this thread whether it made sense to transport imported goods meant for the LFTZ all the way from ikeja to lekki, to you an airport is simply a place where you get on a plane to travel, but to some of us it's much more. . .

Kobojunkie:

Oh Goody!!!

I see the thread has once again been taken over by the "INSULT THOSE WHO DO NOT SEE THINGS OUR WAY INTO THE GROUND TO PROVE OUR SIDE IS RIGHT" gang!!! WOOHOO!!!  

Hey posters, everyone is entitled to his/her view, but insults in whatever guise does not portray us to be matured in our way of thinking. If you put your cards on the table, and the other person is not moved by you postulations, then look for another way of convincing or perhaps confusing him/her lol!.

thread has gone down south as usual.

I'll love to see this come to fruitition.

candylips:

thread has gone down south as usual.   

nahhhh. . .i think we're somewhere in the middlebelt, benue perhaps

Many don't understand what a 2nd airport will do to Lagos. MM is Federal and so no revenue accrues to Lagos; a Lagos owned airport will increase revenue to Lagos for the years to come, it is capital intensive but in 20years time, Lagos will still continue to reap the benefits, In terms of population, Lagos is at least 2ce the size of London and definitely larger in terms of land mass, yet London has 4 airports: Heathrow, Gatwick, Stanstead and London City Airport, all providing different levels of international and regional flights.

Many say MM1 is enough, Far from it, With Lagos being the busiest route in West Africa and probably second to Johannesburg in Africa, one tiny Airport that manages to operate one runaway is not enough. The Lagos Govt has realised the loss of revenue the Nigeria suffers with only on e airport in Lagos. All the major airlines in the world want to fly into Lagos and those already flying want to increase their slots but they can't simply because MM1 does not have the capacity to deal with such an influx. Don't criticize simply because you don't understand.

Lekki axis also needs to be developed, the mainland is congested as it is. Lekki/Epe expressway has virgin land that would remain undeveloped unless incentives are in place to ensure return on capital fro any investments made.An airport and a freetrade zone definitely signals the right intentions.

And hello, a lekki/mainland bridge would obviously decongest traffic on bbloody third mainland bridge and that axis,

Fashola is not the Federal Govt so you can not expect him to tackle things that should necessarily fall within the purview of the Fed, many of you talk about healthcare, and unemployment, Capital projects create employment, do you think jobs just appear out of thin air. You spend money to make money. And setting in place capital projects is creating sustainable development. Healthcare, is not free and many of the people who need healthcare basically cannot afford it. Through creation of better jobs, they can better afford healthcare, and revenue that accrues to Lagos State can be channeled into upgrading the healthcare system in Lagos,

The opinion of those who dissent with this project point towards a quick fix or short term solution to the problems we face. That manner of doing things has been a bane to our development process. Our problems require solutions that adopt a long term and well structured strategy. Solutions and answers that outlive the tenure of any administrator or executive office holder. I want to be able to say 10years from now Fashola took a decision which would be positively impacting my yet to be born children. The bible advices us to leave an inheritance to our children's children. Simply put, your legacy should be felt in the generations to com when you are long gone.

To those who understand the greater ramifications of building an international Lagos and are not afraid to take those bold steps, i am sure you all will understand my angle of approach. A new Lagos airport is not just an airport to me, it signals the construction of a gateway to economic progression and sustained development.