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Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by lonikit: 2:37pm On Apr 01, 2018
Lomprico2:

Are u calling judas satan?
no but he was used by Satan according to that scripture
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Spygadgets19: 2:53pm On Apr 01, 2018
Lady Gaga Judas...
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by ovcwality(m): 2:58pm On Apr 01, 2018
He is ur brother
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Joshuamassodi(m): 3:02pm On Apr 01, 2018
betrayer
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by DavidEsq(m): 3:03pm On Apr 01, 2018
lestat:
I have asked several pastors this question, if indeed the son of God came to commit suicide then Judas act was not one of betrayal but fulfilment meaning he didn't commit a crime hence the guilt and his suicide wasn't necessary. He should be a saint then? Why then did Lord Jesus say father forgive them for they know not what they do? Why ask for forgiveness for mankind when indeed they fulfilled the prophesized suicide ?
Revelation 17:17 reveals a personality of God. Which is: his ability to achieve his purpose by using u, in whatever capacity u represent or whatever u stand for. In the minds of the Jews, they thought th had overpowered Jesus Christ, but in reality, God's purpose was being fulfilled. Mathew 2:3-8 reveals that becos of wat herod chose to stand for, the prophecy that Jesus was called out of Egypt became fulfilled in verse 15.
So yes, God sent sent son to die for mankind, but why was it not the Apostles that killed him? They stood on the part of supporting God's arrangement but the oda Jews who killed him stood against him and God's purpose was fulfilled at their hands. In Luke 22:22, Jesus said that he has come to die for us, woe to the person by whose hand he (Jesus) is betrayed.
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Nobody: 3:14pm On Apr 01, 2018
stephleena:
Judas,is never a hero..but rather the seed of the serpent..now take a look @Genesis chapter 3:15.
I will put enmity between thy seed and the seed of the woman, it shall bruise thy head and thou shall bruise his heel..
The seed of the woman,eve was Jesus christ,and for that prophecy to come to pass,the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent,(Judas)came into a final contest..though he disguised himself, but was later brought to light, in the book of john,chapter 13:vs 37.
and we all know,the seed of the woman ,Jesus triumphed,which has brought us all to grace
the serpent is always a traitor, and shall continue to be,he's always cunny and never straight,so are his seeds.. Judas the seed,is a traitor.
quite unfortunate most Christians don't understand the bible to the in depth part of it..and that's why we have so many misinterpretation of the word.. May God help us.

This is the most sensible comment I read on this topic. OP probably read the Bible like a novel. Judas has been damned from birth. God can use anyone and anything to fulfill his Word.
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by DavidEsq(m): 3:19pm On Apr 01, 2018
stephleena:
Judas,is never a hero..but rather the seed of the serpent..now take a look @Genesis chapter 3:15.
I will put enmity between thy seed and the seed of the woman, it shall bruise thy head and thou shall bruise his heel..
The seed of the woman,eve was Jesus christ,and for that prophecy to come to pass,the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent,(Judas)came into a final contest..though he disguised himself, but was later brought to light, in the book of john,chapter 13:vs 37.
and we all know,the seed of the woman ,Jesus triumphed,which has brought us all to grace
the serpent is always a traitor, and shall continue to be,he's always cunny and never straight,so are his seeds.. Judas the seed,is a traitor.
quite unfortunate most Christians don't understand the bible to the in depth part of it..and that's why we have so many misinterpretation of the word.. May God help us.
I love ur points. However, if u say Jesus was a seed of Eve, wldnt that mean dat Jesus was born in sin, in accordance with Romans 5:12? God forbid!
Revelation 12:1-6, tells of the woman who gave birth to a child. That child is Jesus Christ, but the woman is not Mary, because Revelation 1:1 tells us that John saw things (visions) that were to take place shortly (in the future) and Jesus Christ had already been born, died a had ascended back to heaven. The woman represented a figurative expression of God's arrangement of a heavenly government/kingdom which has Jesus Christ as it's ruler, as was foretold in Dan. 2:44 and Dan. 7:13-14.
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Prettyyemi(f): 3:19pm On Apr 01, 2018
He's obviously a traitor...
Only a fool will think he is a hero....
Just saying though undecided
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by HeyCorleone(m): 3:23pm On Apr 01, 2018
san316:
History says he is a betrayer. Doesn't marra what u say now

See your thoughtless comment. What else is history if not the words and actions of man? If a man like you once said Judas is a traitor, can't you offer a different view, or affirm his with solid argument? Instead of talking like a brainless simpleton.
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Nobody: 3:24pm On Apr 01, 2018
DavidEsq:

Revelation 17:17 reveals a personality of God. Which is: his ability to achieve his purpose by using u, in whatever capacity u represent or whatever u stand for. In the minds of the Jews, they thought th had overpowered Jesus Christ, but in reality, God's purpose was being fulfilled. Mathew 2:3-8 reveals that becos of wat herod chose to stand for, the prophecy that Jesus was called out of Egypt became fulfilled in verse 15.
So yes, God sent sent son to die for mankind, but why was it not the Apostles that killed him? They stood on the part of supporting God's arrangement but the oda Jews who killed him stood against him and God's purpose was fulfilled at their hands. In Luke 22:22, Jesus said that he has come to die for us, woe to the person by whose hand he (Jesus) is betrayed.

You raised no point just said alot but ended up saying nothing.

This was either a murder or a suicide the evidence pints towards a murder even the son of God said fatehr forgive them for they know not what they do!!

If this suicide was supposed to be what was there to forgive ?

It makes no sense as your argument pints to God the Father being a confused God that contradicts himself which he is not !!?

If he wanted someone to do for another sin then suicide would.not be a sin
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Nobody: 3:28pm On Apr 01, 2018
OSUigbo:

Anyhow you've said....



I just believe the whole thing is a conspiracy.

A true God will punish anyone who disobeys his laws if he wants to.
It's senseless that God would need a blood sacrifice of his innocent son before he is appeased and before he can forgive human'sins. God shouldn't be a ritualist.

It makes no sense eto say he sent his son to die for other people sin other wise why have the 10mcommemdements just have someone die for each person's sin right ?

The church has edited to Bible to make christains lazy self serving food who don't take responsibility for their actions because they believe they have someone who committed suicide for them

So if tomorrow I love my son and he commits murder I should go and say let me die or serve prison for him then automatically he is a changed man ??

Please
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by mavick2020: 3:28pm On Apr 01, 2018
Simple He was just an unlucky guy who was to be used. Was at at the wrong side @ the right time. Simply an escape. Nevertheless someone has to be used.... Wrong destiny perhaps.
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Nobody: 3:28pm On Apr 01, 2018
IjeleNwa:
you are derailed

You are okay?
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by DavidEsq(m): 3:30pm On Apr 01, 2018
lestat:


You raised no point just said alot but ended up saying nothing.

This was either a murder or a suicide the evidence pints towards a murder even the son of God said fatehr forgive them for they know not what they do!!

If this suicide was supposed to be
what was there to forgive ?

It makes no sense as your argument pints to God the Father being a confused God that contradicts himself which he is not !!?

1. If he wanted someone to do for another sin then suicide would.not be a sin
At the highlighted:
If in their thoughts, they believed they were overpowering or killing him, whereas, the scriptures was being fulfilled, wld u den say they really knew wat they were doing? Besides, in Matthew 5:44, didn't Jesus say pray for our enemies? Wr his killers not also part of those he came to die for?
2. Exodus 21:23 clearly points out God's view of life. Therefore, if Jesus took his own life, it wld be a suicide. Take note in Luke 22:41-44, we see that Jesus became worried about the idea of suffering death. That is clearly not a suicidal disposition. however, ur understanding of this fact, wld be complete if u understood God's purpose for man. Now kindly point out how I painted God as a confused being.

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Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by ikorodureporta: 3:38pm On Apr 01, 2018
All this religious story & cycle of events don tire me. Thats why person say hell no dey sef.....so na hell Judas dey now??
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Nobody: 3:41pm On Apr 01, 2018
lestat:


You are okay?
100% grin
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Xmen149(m): 3:47pm On Apr 01, 2018
you are deceiving your self..Lol

Peter fulfilled his own too,denied Jesus 3times, but he had remorse and asked for forgiveness and was forgiven and is amongst those that spread Gods words till his last breath

now where was Judas after the betrayal
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by lefulefu(m): 3:52pm On Apr 01, 2018
gideon1971:
If Jesus Christ resurrected in this modern time,
Peter the apostle will tweet #teamjesusressurect.
John will be on Facebook live showing it.
James will upload the picture as WhatsApp dp.
Thomas will be asking for any site that has the live video.
And there will be no light or data for Nigerians to watch it,.. Until after 3days

Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Nobody: 4:14pm On Apr 01, 2018
DavidEsq:

At the highlighted:
If in their thoughts, they believed they were overpowering or killing him, whereas, the scriptures was being fulfilled, wld u den say they really knew wat they were doing? Besides, in Matthew 5:44, didn't Jesus say pray for our enemies? Wr his killers not also part of those he came to die for?
2. Exodus 21:23 clearly points out God's view of life. Therefore, if Jesus took his own life, it wld be a suicide. Take note in Luke 22:41-44, we see that Jesus became worried about the idea of suffering death. That is clearly not a suicidal disposition. however, ur understanding of this fact, wld be complete if u understood God's purpose for man. Now kindly point out how I painted God as a confused being.

There you go again a clear contradiction!

Jesus the son of God was worried about his own death?

He raised lazsrus from the dead, he was the son of God the perfect Hod the omnipotent omnipresent and omniscience God and you say he was worried about death of his flesh?

He was worried about how dark and schemeing the heart of man was!!!

He saw that despite all he came to do was to show us with love that we should.love our fellow brothers and sisters the church instead of adopting this doctrine was trying to kill him!!!?

And he fulfilled by showing that despite having the poerr to end all life with a single word, despite having the poerr to booth out the sun with a single word he allow mankind murder his body beacusr like he said if one slaps you turn the other cheek

He wasn't he to die he came to show that the likes of adeboye , oyedepo, oyakihlomeh, etc are not the whole to paradise , it is in how you live each and every moment !
He came to show that you maybe the general.overaeer of the largest church on Earth but that doesn't gusrnstee you a place in paradise

He came to show that it's not by sitting in front in church or by being ordained Pope

But by how you think , speak and liv3 3ach moment of each day

Lord Jesus never had body guard even though people wanted to serve him to cautined them to be like.littlw children to live a simple life devoid of vanity

The church leaders had the plans , they knew the power of controlling people with religion.

Jesus never came to sit in any church , came to show the people.the way to salvation lies not in church attendance but by the manner of life you live !!

All the ost Cole.peole.att3nd church , but how do they live ?
Gej, osibanjo etc they are all high members of redeemed yet how do they live?

If Lord Jesus was here today you would.all crucify. Him for.soeakimg against adeboye, oyedepo, Mathew ashimolowo, oyakilomeh, oyadr , etc

You would.soon3r stone him tondeatbthan hear him say the pope.is wrong or adeboye is wrong

This is how Lucifer planned it.

And eveil the binle warms of this. When Lucifer tempted Lord Jesus to jump from the kijtain to prove he was the son of God what did he say?

If he was to die he might have as well have done same later, jump from a miuntain and still say he died for mankind

Or was having the murderous humans butcher him ansign of love?

Please the son of God was murdered innvold blood by the church under the influence of Lucifer as it is today ...

Why is it everywhere else in the binle where God the Father gives instructions it is always clear , to Jacob, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, Saul, 3tc God the Father says do this or do that, go there or sacrifice that

Why is it suddenly when his son, the ourest form of.love our Lord Jesus Christ came no one.heard instructions like.iill uim? Murder him?

Please spare me.
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by DavidEsq(m): 4:23pm On Apr 01, 2018
lestat:


There you go again a clear contradiction!

Jesus the son of God was worried about his own death?

He raised lazsrus from the dead, he was the son of God the perfect Hod the omnipotent omnipresent and omniscience God and you say he was worried about death of his flesh?

He was worried about how dark and schemeing the heart of man was!!!

He saw that despite all he came to do was to show us with love that we should.love our fellow brothers and sisters the church instead of adopting this doctrine was trying to kill him!!!?

And he fulfilled by showing that despite having the poerr to end all life with a single word, despite having the poerr to booth out the sun with a single word he allow mankind murder his body beacusr like he said if one slaps you turn the other cheek

He wasn't he to die he came to show that the likes of adeboye , oyedepo, oyakihlomeh, etc are not the whole to paradise , it is in how you live each and every moment !
He came to show that you maybe the general.overaeer of the largest church on Earth but that doesn't gusrnstee you a place in paradise

He came to show that it's not by sitting in front in church or by being ordained Pope

But by how you think , speak and liv3 3ach moment of each day

Lord Jesus never had body guard even though people wanted to serve him to cautined them to be like.littlw children to live a simple life devoid of vanity

The church leaders had the plans , they knew the power of controlling people with religion.

Jesus never came to sit in any church , came to show the people.the way to salvation lies not in church attendance but by the manner of life you live !!

All the ost Cole.peole.att3nd church , but how do they live ?
Gej, osibanjo etc they are all high members of redeemed yet how do they live?

If Lord Jesus was here today you would.all crucify. Him for.soeakimg against adeboye, oyedepo, Mathew ashimolowo, oyakilomeh, oyadr , etc

You would.soon3r stone him tondeatbthan hear him say the pope.is wrong or adeboye is wrong

This is how Lucifer planned it.

And eveil the binle warms of this. When Lucifer tempted Lord Jesus to jump from the kijtain to prove he was the son of God what did he say?

If he was to die he might have as well have done same later, jump from a miuntain and still say he died for mankind

Or was having the murderous humans butcher him ansign of love?

Please the son of God was murdered innvold blood by the church under the influence of Lucifer as it is today ...

Why is it everywhere else in the binle where God the Father gives instructions it is always clear , to Jacob, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, Saul, 3tc God the Father says do this or do that, go there or sacrifice that

Why is it suddenly when his son, the ourest form of.love our Lord Jesus Christ came no one.heard instructions like.iill uim? Murder him?

Please spare me.
U didn't cite any scripture to back ur opinion, neither did u controvert the scriptures I cited.
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Ellabae(f): 4:32pm On Apr 01, 2018
I think the scripture would av still be fulfilled if judas betrayed Jesus or not. So maybe the death of Jesus should not av come as a result of betrayal. But anyway it goes, Jesus would have still died nd resurrect
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Rayreezy: 4:32pm On Apr 01, 2018
But come to think of it.
what is betrayal?
How does kissing someone become betrayal. Judas didnt tie him up and handed him over, twas just a kiss. If Jesus was to die, why must he betrayed. cant he just be captured and killed?
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by crownedprinz(m): 4:38pm On Apr 01, 2018
emrain:


Contrary to your opinion, I think he knew how powerful Jesus was, but he thought Jesus would miraculously get away from the Roman army as always. But lo and behold it was the appointed time for the son of man to die.

Could be true though.....whichever way..His thought sold him out...."He was the bad guy"......
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by crownedprinz(m): 4:40pm On Apr 01, 2018
Rayreezy:
But come to think of it.
what is betrayal?
How does kissing someone become betrayal. Judas didnt tie him up and handed him over, twas just a kiss. If Jesus was to die, why must he betrayed. cant he just be captured and killed?
Am confused with your comments..so many questions in it..Are Your questions to answer questions or they are to question answers?
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Rayreezy: 4:42pm On Apr 01, 2018
crownedprinz:

Am confused with your comments..so many questions in it..Are Your questions to answer questions or they are to question answers?
Just Questions
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Rayreezy: 4:47pm On Apr 01, 2018
naijadriva:


This is the most sensible comment I read on this topic. OP probably read the Bible like a novel. Judas has been damned from birth. God can use anyone and anything to fulfill his Word.
He can use anyone to fufil his word. and still punish the person later, hes wicked then.
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Emmahunk(m): 5:05pm On Apr 01, 2018
kingBenedict:
1. Na mumu post be this 2. Everything worked according to God's plan, if he didn't use Judas then he would have used another person...scriptures had to be fulfilled 3. Judas also means Jude, He was called Judas Iscariot cos he was from Kerioth (a town in Judah)...Judas Iscariot simply means Jude, the man from Kerioth 4. Shey you go wan name your pikin Judas when you know wetin Judas be for everybody mind....

Thanks for your compliments sir because it takes a bigger mumu raised to power 2 to reply a mumu post.
No one has the monopoly of rudeness you know.
Happy Easter and thanks for your time.
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by ezenwajosh(m): 5:11pm On Apr 01, 2018
Except they didn't tell them Judas, disciples and Jesus never happened
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by Nobody: 5:15pm On Apr 01, 2018
Rayreezy:
He can use anyone to fufil his word. and still punish the person later, hes wicked then.

No. You have freewill to refuse evil using you. The Devil entered Judas. It could have been any other person but God's will ultimately will be done. He later regretted and committed suicide- that is hell ticket on its own.
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by triangulation: 5:16pm On Apr 01, 2018
Friend: Triangulation, do you mind eating this carrot? Me: No, because the bible says 'Judas is carrot'
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by JimaeChinko: 5:17pm On Apr 01, 2018
Emmahunk:
As we celebrate the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, Christians all over the World are joyous because without His resurrection, our faith would have been in vain.
It is also pertinent to know that without the betrayal of Christ by one of the disciples, Judas, Christ would not have been killed and the resurrection would not have taken place. This automatically means that the SCRIPTURES would not have been fulfilled.
As crazy as it sounds, I have been wondering why the name of someone who played this vital role is today synonymous with leprosy. It's so bad that you hardly find people answering the name Judas.
Why is this the case? What do you really think is the reason for this?
Please men of God in the house, help me with answers.
Should Judas be seen truly as a traitor or hero? Or both?

Before I answer your Judas question. I would like to say that this is a very simple question but your darkened heart that seeks after every "enticing word" fails to grasp this because of your refusal to read the Word with the aid of the Holy Spirit. Thou Viper. You only ask this question to justify your unbelief. Read this below before I continue with your Judas question.

Let me start with 1 Corinthians1:18-31(Goodnews):

18. For the message about Christ's death on the Cross is nonsense to those who are being LOST; but for us who are being SAVED it is God's power.

19. The scripture says:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and set aside the understanding of the scholars."

20. So then, where does that leave the wise? or the scholars? or the skilful debaters of this world? God has shown that this world's wisdom is foolishness!.

21. For God in his wisdom made it IMPOSSIBLE for PEOPLE(All race) to know HIM by MEANS of THEIR OWN WISDOM. Instead, by means of the SO-CALLED "FOOLISH" Message we preach, God decided to save those WHO BELIEVE.

22. Jews want miracles for proof, and Greeks look for wisdom.

23. As for us, we proclaim the CRUCIFIED CHRIST, a MESSAGE that is OFFENSIVE to the JEWS and NONSENSE to the GENTILES.

24. but for those whom God has CALLED, both Jews and Gentiles, this MESSAGE is CHRIST, who is the POWER of GOD and the WISDOM of GOD.


Read the rest on your own up to verse 31 to understand the important lesson contained in there. Now back to your Judas Iscariot question on whether he was a Traitor or Hero? And how his name is totally avoided like a leperous case.

In my own opinion Judas was a Traitor. He was not destined to be but made himself one and in his "foolishness"(His exceeding greed/Covetousness for money) became a vehicle for use by Satan who too was foolish who thought as seen in Genesis 3:15 where an enmity(a demarcation was placed between the seed of Man and the seed of serpent) that His relentless attack at the Seed(Luke 1:35) would eventually shame and corrupt the message but Satan failed try as he may. He will never prevail. This is evident from different Bible verses I can quote starting with Genesis 3:15 up to verses in Revelations.

The intented effect of Satan's Wisdom(Foolishness) was turned to the glory of God in that it all became evidence for the Message which has seen many saved.

Satan still furious has not yet given up on propagating different false lies and teachings like the Book of Judas, the Islamist concept of Jesus not being the Son of God or even not crucified(They were not the first to say this. The Jews were the first to start this lie in Matthew 28:15).

We noticed first about Judas Iscariot that his name was formerly a very popular one given to children during his time but due to his betrayal. His name became avoided(HITLER comes to mind as an example of people whose evil deeds causes their names to be avoided by the next generation). We notice also that he was a Treasurer(the Keeper of Money for Jesus) and usually helped himself to it. He was a thief and a manipulative one at that(Notice how he acted like he had the sympathy for the poor in John 12:5-6 when all he wanted to do was help himself to that money). He played an active role in the apostolic ministry but missed the path.


He would have been forgiven if he had repented like Peter did but he felt there was no forgiveness for him which lead to him going the Suicide route. Although, Judas was one of the Original disciples but he was a disillusioned one who obviously thought that Jesus didn't exactly fulfil the Jews' desire which was that he was to be the one to overthrow the Roman Empire. Notice what he asked the Chief Priests in Matthew 26:14-15:
15. And asked, "WHAT WILL YOU GIVE ME if I betray Jesus to you? ". Money was not just the motivating factor for Judas because we notice that after the betrayal he realised that money was nothing compared to what he had done and used it in purchasing the field for his Suicide after the Chief Priests refused accepting the money back.

Judas was with Jesus all the time so he knew all of the sayings of Jesus about the one who would betray him but won't understand that he(whoever the betrayer will be) will do this in fulfillment of the scriptures which is the MESSAGE symbolized in the DEATH and RESURRECTION of our Lord Jesus Christ.A clear example of how the World's wisdom(foolishness) turned to the glory of God. See Isaiah55:6-9.

Judas like Peter after this incident realised these sayings but unlike Peter failed to repent but felt his sins were too hard to be forgiven and then took it out on himself by going down the Suicide route.
Re: Who Really Is Judas Iscariot: A Traitor Or Hero? by triangulation: 5:18pm On Apr 01, 2018
Friend: Triangulation, do you mind eating this carrot? Me: No, because the bible says 'Judas is carrot'

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