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Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by OgaInnocent(m): 2:22pm On Apr 18
I was prompted to script this piece when I read yesterday from the comment of certain moniker here called amarabae, that the problem the Joint Health Sector Union (JOHESU) put themselves is being orchestrated by the Nigerian Medical Association (NMA /Doctors) .
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Inasmuch as the veracity of such claim by such an anonymous online user remains inconsequential, I still wish to educate the unsuspecting public on certain things of paramount and topical significance.

Before I continue, I thought it worthwhile to introduce myself, so that you take cognizance of my biases, if any. I am NOT a medical doctor, at least for now, thus, suffer not yourself in trying to tag this as "espirit des corps" game.

Now, it is no longer news that JoHESu is on strike for reasons bordering on salary and hospital hierarchy.
The news is here:
... https://www.nairaland.com/4456282/federal-health-workers-under-umbrella/3#66805229

ON SALARY:

I wouldn't comment on that because that is the business of the the govt. But let it be on record that if someone should complain of salary, it is the doctors. Nigerian Doctors cannot talk in the presence of their colleagues practicing abroad. They are the most underpaid persons with relation to the value offered. You can imagine the amount Canadian doctors are paid that made them to protest last time. An average consultant doctor in canada receives about 500,000 (about 180 million naira) dollars yearly. A consultant in nigeria is struggling with 10million naira yearly. Hence the reason 90% of Nigerian doctors are jetting out of the country, with many on the way out also. Even the few that are staying, are doing so, due to some supplementation coming from private practice. Otherwise, with the rate at which other countries are ready to issue visa to doctors, Nigeria may soon run out of doctors.
The truth is everyone needs a salary increase because cost of goods have increased, starting from teachers. However, the issue of salary still remains their business with the govt, but note that if your salary is increased to that of a doctor, the doctors will seek their own increase. It is natural to act that way.

ON HOSPITAL HIERARCHY

I heard they want to be given consultant nurse, consultant physiotherapist, consultant Med Lab Scientist etc.

People need to understand something. The hospital is structured in such a way that every treatment /instruction must be directed from the Consultant Physician or Consultant Surgeon. No patient receives anything in the hospital unless the doctor says so. The reason is not far-fetched. It is in the best interest of the patient, so that he/she is not malhandled. Imagine when we introduce a consultant nurse, a doctor will give his own instructions and the nurse will also like to execute his own consultancy expertise by giving his own instructions, at the end, the patient, is at the receiving end. The practice is that the doctor is and must be the head of the patient management team.

Most nurses are clamoring for consultancy because of the knowledge they acquire by virtue of working in hospital for years. They feel they can now challenge the doctor.

I will give an analogy: In Catholic church, we have the parish priest, we have the catechist. By virtue of working at the alter for about 10years, the catechist can comfortably celebrate the mass. Infact he can even celebrate more than the priest if given opportunity. He can also be more prayerful than the priest. But no matter the condition, the catechist can never celebrate mass or be equated to the priest simply because he can do what the priest can do if given the opportunity. There is formal way of becoming a priest, and it is open to everyone, thus, if the catechist wishes to be celebrating mass, he should simply enroll into the seminary, and boom, he becomes a priest. That is the formality.

Nurse vs Nurse Dichotomy

There are two types of nurses, we have those that attended school of nursing(Registered Nurse. RN). we also have those that are studying nursing in university (B. Sc). The truth is that the BSc holders are paid far higher than the RN holders. Why is it so? In terms of work, I need not tell you that, the RN holders are the ones that do the major suffering in the hospital, and JOHESu will not harmonize their salaries so that all nurses are paid parallel amount. But they want to be paid what doctors (mbbs) are paid. That's hypocrisy.


Medical Laboratory Scientists vs Medical Laboratory Technology

The way Medical lab scientist (Bsc) discriminate against the Med lab technologist (HND) is another case study. You and I know that those polytechnic guys are more practical oriented and cannot be equated with university counterparts. But yet, the Bsc holders still lord it over the HND holders. They claim superiority over them, and yet want equality with doctors. Another hypocrisy.


Med Lab Scientist vs Microbiologist.

I happened to study microbiology in my first degree. As a microbiologist, you cannot have a lab on your own. You must work under a med lab Scientist. Even when the knowledge base is the same among the two disciplines.

Last time on Facebook I saw some graduates of med lab from ABSU hanging stethoscope on their neck, calling themselves diagnostic doctors. Thats so laughable. And that has been the delusion that has been making them think they are equal with doctors. That you can see bacteria in urine in the lab does not make you diagnose a patient of infection. A doctor makes 95% of the diagnosis from history and physical examination, just right in the consultation room. The lab tests are to confirm diagnosis and also check for the other systems that the patient may not be complaining of. Also every med lab Scientist works under a Consultant Chemical pathologist, consultant micro biologist, consultant Histopathologist, or Consultant hematologist as the case may be.


The Way OUT

The truth is that, there should not be the need for all these fracas if everyone remains to his job description and prescription. There is already a job description for doctors, nurses, med lab Scientists etc. If you are not comfortable with the job you do, you can switch and follow the formality laid out for that profession. There shouldn't be need for being a nurse and wanting to do the job of a doctor, or being a doctor and wanting to do the job of a nurse.
A doctor needs a nurse, a nurse needs a doctor, a med lab Scientist needs a doctor and vice versa.

In addition to that, every job has a salary scale, most times the salary does not justify the work they do, but only justifies the time and process it took to get there. The people that take the highest salaries in Nigeria are the people that do nothing. They only go to offices to enjoy the AC and go home at the end of the day. When the month ends, they collect millions. Its unfortunate society has made it that way. Let us have a rethink, and be human. Everyone needs salary increase, starting from teachers to doctors to JOHESU (except our senators ***winks***). The problem is getting it right at the electoral polls.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Nobody: 2:23pm On Apr 18
The issue with this whole thing is the lack of unity among the health workers. Everyone's forming their own clicks.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by OgaInnocent(m): 2:43pm On Apr 18
DominusBen:
The issue with this whole thing is the lack of unity among the health workers. Everyone's forming their own clicks.
How
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Phythondancer(f): 2:49pm On Apr 18
These guys nearly spoilt show during med sch.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by OgaInnocent(m): 2:55pm On Apr 18
Phythondancer:
These guys nearly spoilt show during med sch.
Who
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Okoroawusa: 3:04pm On Apr 18
DominusBen:
The issue with this whole thing is the lack of unity among the health workers. Everyone's forming their own clicks.
Exactly my own view

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by otokx(m): 3:05pm On Apr 18
The OP has said a lot of things and nicely too.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by OgaInnocent(m): 3:24pm On Apr 18
otokx:
The OP has said a lot of things and nicely too.
Thanks

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Phythondancer(f): 3:58pm On Apr 18
OgaInnocent:

Who
JOHESU with their fuuny strikes during clinicals.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by naijaking1: 4:37pm On Apr 18
@op
Thanks for a good write up.
I was med lab tech or scientist as we used to call ourselves, then I went medical school.
A med lab consultant is like a carpenter who nailed the wooding panels of a decking calling himself an engineer who designed and built the whole structure.
Consultants go to schoil and do residency for about 14 years, while med lab guys do only years in university.
My medical school class had people with firt degrees in med tech, pharmacy, nursing, and even law.
It's only in a corrupt system like Nigeria that someone begin to ask for a position they are not even remotely qualified for without going to jail.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by OgaInnocent(m): 5:20pm On Apr 18
naijaking1:
@op
Thanks for a good write up.
I was med lab tech or scientist as we used to call ourselves, then I went medical school.
A med lab consultant is like a carpenter who nailed the wooding panels of a decking calling himself an engineer who designed and built the whole structure.
Consultants go to schoil and do residency for about 14 years, while med lab guys do only years in university.
My medical school class had people with firt degrees in med tech, pharmacy, nursing, and even law.
It's only in a corrupt system like Nigeria that someone begin to ask for a position they are not even remotely qualified for without going to jail.
My brother, thank you. I am wondering what is even giving them the temerity. Its a pity.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Glitzcaret: 5:41pm On Apr 18
@naijaking you sound ignorant so let me educate you,
×As a Pharmacist you must attend West Africa college of Pharmacist, undergo a residency programme in an accredited institution e.t.C before you become a consultant
×Consultancy in Pharmacy is not a Nigerian invention, is practice all over civilized nations and doctors don't feel threatened.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Amarabae(f): 5:45pm On Apr 18
Glitzcaret:
@naijaking you sound ignorant so let me educate you,
×As a Pharmacist you must attend West Africa college of Pharmacist, undergo a residency programme in an accredited institution e.t.C before you become a consultant
×Consultancy in Pharmacy is not a Nigerian invention, is practice all over civilized nations and doctors don't feel threatened.

You de mind them?
Only them are educated in the health sector, others are not.
Let me mind my business before they say that I am envying them .
.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Glitzcaret: 5:48pm On Apr 18
@ogalnnocent
Its pride that is killing the some black nations....
I currently practice in the U.S and doctors don't have this backward mentality (superior to other health professionals).
It a shame that Nigerian train doctors lack respect for others.
I deal with facts so name any civilized nation that behave like you guys.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by OgaInnocent(m): 6:49pm On Apr 18
Glitzcaret:
@ogalnnocent
Its pride that is killing the some black nations....
I currently practice in the U.S and doctors don't have this backward mentality (superior to other health professionals).
It a shame that Nigerian train doctors lack respect for others.
I deal with facts so name any civilized nation that behave like you guys.
Point of correction. Doctors can[b] NOT[/b]disrespect other health professionals because they are not their rivals. But if there is disrespect by nigerian doctors to JOHESU, it is simply reactionary due to their (JOHESU) continued challenge of the doctors. Imagine a graduate of medical laboratory science hanging stethoscope on his neck and saying he is a diagnostic doctor. Can u imagine that? Does that happen in your civilized setting?

In Nigeria, every one working in the hospital is answering a doctor. Doctors can't just fold hand and watch them. So any action by the doctors is reactionary. Otherwise, what does a doctor gain by victimizing a nurse who has done him no wrong. But when a nurse starts claiming he /she can do what d doctors can do...I wonder!! My brother, just reason that.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by OgaInnocent(m): 6:51pm On Apr 18
Amarabae:

You de mind them?
Only them are educated in the health sector, others are not.
Let me mind my business before they say that I am envying them .
.

You are here again? Did you read my write-ups? I'm expecting your comment.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by naijaking1: 7:21pm On Apr 18
Glitzcaret:
@naijaking you sound ignorant so let me educate you,
×As a Pharmacist you must attend West Africa college of Pharmacist, undergo a residency programme in an accredited institution e.t.C before you become a consultant
×Consultancy in Pharmacy is not a Nigerian invention, is practice all over civilized nations and doctors don't feel threatened.


Big ignoramus, when you get your Pharm. D, come maybe I give you 1 year residency to become a clinical pharmacist. Then, and only then I can equate you to my second year surgical resident.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by otokx(m): 7:26pm On Apr 18
So we did a surgical procedure for in growing toe nail at a teaching hospital.

First dressing was done by the surgeon and subsequent ones to be done by nurse.

First dressing, all the materials were made available and pain was minimal post surgery.

Subsequent dressing was now the turn of the nurse, most of the materials suddenly developed wings and flew away despite the fact a non receipted fee is collected and pocketed by the nurse.

On our last visit the nurse was actually dozing off while doing the dressing.

Thank God for education and internet, we just went to a drug store bought all the materials needed and ever since been doing the dressing at home.

Now the nurse is a matron.

yes Doctors may have their own for body as some say but JOHESU should come up with more tangible reasons for embarking on their seasonal strikes.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by naijaking1: 7:27pm On Apr 18
Glitzcaret:
@ogalnnocent
Its pride that is killing the some black nations....
I currently practice in the U.S and doctors don't have this backward mentality (superior to other health professionals).
It a shame that Nigerian train doctors lack respect for others.
I deal with facts so name any civilized nation that behave like you guys.

It's not about pride, but capability. Oh, I forgot to tell you that one of classmates was a Pharm. D, today she doing better after completing Ob/Gyn residency. She is able to manage the patient from pharmaceutical, anatomical, physiological, and even nursing point view. You go siddon there and shout, because you are in Nigeria.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by naijaking1: 7:31pm On Apr 18
otokx:
So we did a surgical procedure for in growing toe nail at a teaching hospital.

First dressing was done by the surgeon and subsequent ones to be done by nurse.

First dressing, all the materials were made available and pain was minimal post surgery.

Subsequent dressing was now the turn of the nurse, most of the materials suddenly developed wings and flew away despite the fact a non receipted fee is collected and pocketed by the nurse.

On our last visit the nurse was actually dozing off while doing the dressing.

Thank God for education and internet, we just went to a drug store bought all the materials needed and ever since been doing the dressing at home.

Now the nurse is a matron.

yes Doctors may have their own for body as some say but JOHESU should come up with more tangible reasons for embarking on their seasonal strikes.

They can't because they have none. I used to belong to national association of med lab scientists and instead of trying to improve their chosen profession, somehow all they see is try to become doctors when they had no JAMB score to get into medical school

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by OgaInnocent(m): 7:44pm On Apr 18
Seun, lalasticlala, do me favor of giving this a wider audience. Thanks.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Amarabae(f): 8:22pm On Apr 18
OgaInnocent:


You are here again? Did you read my write-ups? I'm expecting your comment.
Why not.
I read it.

You started from a neutral point and then end up being sentimental.

Government are not treating medical professionals well in this country, I agree .

My postulation in that thread is about the N.M.A Cold War with Johesu.
We support them demanding for better treatment from the government the same way johesu expect them to support us.

Whatever agreement we johesu have with the government or whatever our demands are should not be a treat to them.

They have been kicking against johesu interest secretly for years now through the ministers of health who are doctors.

We need partnership,
They support us,
We support them.

In Canada, there was a protest by doctors over being overpaid and for the welfare agenda of other health professionals to be met.
That's mutual respect and cooperation.
.
I have no issue with doctors, I have many of them as friends in my work place and I have worked with them a lot.
The man who fathered me is also one.
Plus two siblings in the profession.

But we have to put things in place.
Them themselves are being exploited in Nigeria,
What a doctor in Europe is earning a month is far superior to what a doctor is earning in Nigeria,
That's why many of them are leaving.
.
Johesu is not in any war with NMA.
.
As for your later part,
You don't expect a medical lab people to allow microbiologists to take over their job.
You said that you read microbiology In your first degree, you thought you will compete with med lab guys but reality dawned on you.
Maybe you are now in the medical school and you now deem it fit to be antagonizing anything med lab.

.
Secondly.
We university graduate nurses have no issue with school of nursing trained nurses,
A nurse is a nurse except Auxiliaries.

.
Everybody is important in the health sector.
Even the gateman at the hospital gate.

Thanks.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Nobody: 8:25pm On Apr 18
The best solution to the chaos in the health sector is privatization.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Abfinest007(m): 8:26pm On Apr 18
strike here strike there d real strike is the one that will hit da dullard in aso rock

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by CalciumB3: 8:27pm On Apr 18
Hit like if you no read am finish

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by JoannaSedley(f): 8:27pm On Apr 18
The Op and rest of the NMA are just being juvenile.
I have never seen so much ignorance in a post.
The question is why are doctors crying all over the media for things that will benefit other profession?
What do they wish to gain?
If this is not wickedness then the definition of wickedness has to be reassessed.
Honestly, I do not see how this is gonna end for NMA when everybody start to understand that they are the real terrorist in Nigeria health sector.
Since NMA took over the helm of affairs of Nigerian health sector everything has been going downhill and they want to take everyone down with them. Enough is enough.

I am ashamed of NMA.
Well the thing is, nobody is listening to your bullsh!t anymore cos they can smell it from mile afar.

OgaInnocent:

Point of correction. Doctors can disrespect other health professionals because they are not their rivals. But if there is disrespect by nigerian doctors to JOHESU, it is simply reactionary due to their (JOHESU) continued challenge of the doctors. Imagine a graduate of medical laboratory science hanging stethoscope on his neck and saying he is a diagnostic doctor. Can u imagine that? Does that happen in your civilized setting?

In Nigeria, every one working in the hospital is answering a doctor. Doctors can't just fold hand and watch them. So any action by the doctors is reactionary. Otherwise, what does a doctor gain by victimizing a nurse who has done him no wrong. But when a nurse starts claiming he /she can do what d doctors can do...I wonder!! My brother, just reason that.
look at what a supposed doctor wrote? What the hell is wring with you people?
otokx:
So we did a surgical procedure for in growing toe nail at a teaching hospital.

First dressing was done by the surgeon and subsequent ones to be done by nurse.

First dressing, all the materials were made available and pain was minimal post surgery.

Subsequent dressing was now the turn of the nurse, most of the materials suddenly developed wings and flew away despite the fact a non receipted fee is collected and pocketed by the nurse.

On our last visit the nurse was actually dozing off while doing the dressing.

Thank God for education and internet, we just went to a drug store bought all the materials needed and ever since been doing the dressing at home.

Now the nurse is a matron.

yes Doctors may have their own for body as some say but JOHESU should come up with more tangible reasons for embarking on their seasonal strikes.
A hell of a bullsh!t story that is not in congruent with reality.... and the relevance is still what I am searching for .


I have fought this battle back in the days so don't bother quoting me.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by DrToche: 8:29pm On Apr 18
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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Owomkpo(m): 8:31pm On Apr 18
Op God bless you.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Unlimited22: 8:33pm On Apr 18
Amarabae:

Why not.
I read it.

You started from a neutral point and then end up being sentimental.

Government are not treating medical professionals well in this country, I agree .

My postulation in that thread is about the N.M.A Cold War with Johesu.
We support them demanding for better treatment from the government the same way johesu expect them to support us.

Whatever agreement we johesu have with the government or whatever our demands are should not be a treat to them.

They have been kicking against johesu interest secretly for years now through the ministers of health who are doctors.

We need partnership,
They support us,
We support them.

In Canada, there was a protest by doctors over being overpaid and for the welfare agenda of other health professionals to be met.
That's mutual respect and cooperation.
.
I have no issue with doctors, I have many of them as friends in my work place and I have worked with them a lot.
The man who fathered me is also one.
Plus two siblings in the profession.

But we have to put things in place.
Them themselves are being exploited in Nigeria,
What a doctor in Europe is earning a month is far superior to what a doctor is earning in Nigeria,
That's why many of them are leaving.
.
Johesu is not in any war with NMA.
.
As for your later part,
You don't expect a medical lab people to allow microbiologists to take over their job.
You said that you read microbiology In your first degree, you thought you will compete with med lab guys but reality dawned on you.
Maybe you are now in the medical school and you now deem it fit to be antagonizing anything med lab.

.
Secondly.
We university graduate nurses have no issue with school of nursing trained nurses,
A nurse is a nurse except Auxiliaries.

.
Everybody is important in the health sector.
Even the gateman at the hospital gate.

Thanks.

God bless you. This is the first time I've agreed with any of your posts. wink

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Acidosis(m): 8:35pm On Apr 18
Nigerian based doctors sha, always comparing yourselves with folks in US, Canada, etc.

Some graduates earn 30k in Nigeria in the name of Npower, shouldn't these categories of graduates call for Buhari's head too, because obviously, college graduates in the US don't earn 30k.

The average Nigerian engineer is not on the same salary level with the average Engineer in California. The average Nigerian bank security worker is not on the same level with his counterparts in the developed world.

Do we always have to remind ourselves that Nigeria is a third world country? As far as you're in the hell unproductive hole, salaries must not be compared with what obtains in the developed country. You don't produce as much as they do, you don't work as much as they do, your politicians are as lazy as fck, you vote dum.b politicians, hence, you can't compare your salary with theirs.

As far as you selfish lots choose to remain in the hell unproductive hole where soldiers and policemen are dying protecting you for less than 80k/month, learn to compare your salary with the quota system zoo salary where selfishness rules, leave Canada people alone.

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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Unlimited22: 8:35pm On Apr 18
It is really shameful that a thread like this with so much vitriol will worm its way to nairaland's front page.

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