When bad things happens, they say it's destiny, it can never be changed it has been written, but they tell you pray so that everything will be well, why do I need to pray if everything has being pre-written is that not changing something that is suppose to be unchangeable...but even after fervent praying bad things still happens, then they will start saying its destiny,every bright cloud has a black spot etc,but I prayed it's not suppose to happen,some even say you don't have faith that's why it happened forgetting they once said its pre written. Don't tell me to pray if it's not going to change the unchangeable, Its either prayer or destiny.

If prayer can change destiny, it's was never a destiny ..



destiny

ˈdɛstɪni/

noun

the events that will necessarily happen to a particular person or thing in the future.

"she was unable to control her own destiny"

the hidden power believed to control future events; fate.

"he believed in destiny"

synonyms:future, fate, fortune, doom

Since I came of age, every crossover night have been spent in the cold night under blaring speakers screaming "You'll have your dream car this year, you'll build that house this year"

frantically the whole congregation screams "Amen" as the clergy tells us the louder your amen, the bigger your blessings.


Looking back at it now, if I had spent those nights brainstorming how I was going to make more money, I'd have been more successful than I am now.

I think this is way beyond religion, cus religious people still believe in destiny and fate too.

First question to ask yourself is how many physical things has prayer changed.. Before u start thinking of something abstract..

If na prayer Nija for b d richest country

Samsimple:
First question to ask yourself is how many physical things has prayer changed.. Before u start thinking of something abstract..

If na prayer Nija for b d richest country

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RELIGION IS A MODERN DAY SLAVERY IN AFRICA

Kingsley1000:
RELIGION IS A MODERN DAY SLAVERY IN AFRICA

it has always been not just now.

I still don't understand why In Africa or Nigeria precisely, we take things too seriously than those who really owns it..

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Prayer those not change a thing, it is the power of God that changes things.

The power of God can only be activated through faith in Jesus and his cross and not by begging and pleading.

When you truly believe from your innermost that Jesus was wounded for you and also confess such. People pray amiss thinking they are praying rightly.

mcyemite:
When bad things happens, they say it's destiny, it can never be changed it has been written, but they tell you pray so that everything will be well, why do I need to pray if everything has being pre-written is that not changing something that is suppose to be unchangeable...but even after fervent praying bad things still happens, then they will start saying its destiny,every bright cloud has a black spot etc,but I prayed it's not suppose to happen,some even say you don't have faith that's why it happened forgetting they once said its pre written. Don't tell me to pray if it's not going to change the unchangeable, Its either prayer or destiny.

If prayer can change destiny, it's was never a destiny ..



destiny

ˈdɛstɪni/

noun

the events that will necessarily happen to a particular person or thing in the future.

"she was unable to control her own destiny"

the hidden power believed to control future events; fate.

"he believed in destiny"

synonyms:future, fate, fortune, doom

1.) Destiny cannot be changed.
2.) Everybody has a glorious destiny.
3.) Many a destiny has been corrupted.
4.) God restores destinies (to the initial glorious destiny one was expect to fulfill).
#myfourkobo

sonofthunder:

1.) Destiny cannot be changed.
2.) Everybody has a glorious destiny.
3.) Many a destiny has been corrupted.
4.) God restores destinies (to the initial glorious destiny one was expect to fulfill).
#myfourkobo

this is exactly what is confusing
1.) destiny cannot be changed.
3.) Many destinies has been corrupted.

Those two points are contradicting each other, if it's unchangeable it's means it should also be incorruptible.

Corruption isn't a default state. Some changes lead to corruption.

bloodofthelamb:
Prayer those not change a thing, it is the power of God that changes things.

The power of God can only be activated through faith in Jesus and his cross and not by begging and pleading.

When you truly believe from your innermost that Jesus was wounded for you and also confess such. People pray amiss thinking they are praying rightly.

how do you invoke the power of God? And faith in Jesus and his cross, how do you put that into use?

Is it not through prayer?

mcyemite:
this is exactly what is confusing
1.) destiny cannot be changed.
3.) Many destinies has been corrupted.

Those two points are contradicting each other, if it's unchangeable it's means it should also be incorruptible.

Corruption isn't a default state. Some changes lead to corruption.

lemme put it like this, that impact you are meant to make, the difference, solutions you are to provide are same within you but certain things can hinder/limit you from fulfilling/rendering them... you are looking @ destiny as what you must fulfill no matter what... destiny is a lot more complicated than a lot of us look at it but I'm guessing you aren't one to believe in it/such.

sonofthunder:

lemme put it like this, that impact you are meant to make, the difference, solutions you are to provide are same within you but certain things can hinder/limit you from fulfilling/rendering them... you are looking @ destiny as what you must fulfill no matter what... destiny is a lot more complicated than a lot of us look at it but I'm guessing you aren't one to believe in it/such.

please can you shed more light on the complicated part..

Prayer can change the tone of your vocal cord muscles. It can also cause disturbance to your neighbours if it loud enough. Studies have shown that prayer can indeed change destiny for the worse if one solely depends and wait on it for a good future.
And so much for good destiny, majority of conc. prayer warriors are usually destitute and jobless or people with low standard of living just surviving the day. This is Martinez19 live on nairaland news. Thanks.

Yes, Jabez' destiny was changed by prayers.

Peter was the one planned by the devil to betray Jesus because he was close to him but Jesus prayed for him and changed that.
Luke 22 vs 31 & 32 " And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren."


Many other examples like that abound, so yes.. prayers have the potency to change, alter and Avert destinies..

Yes, prayer can change a destiny. Very honest, effectual prayer

rikemsmedia:
Yes, prayer can change a destiny. Very honest, effectual prayer

change my foot!!
Nor go plan your destiny and work for it first, you go suffer

paxonel:
change my foot!!
Nor go plan your destiny and work for it first, you go suffer

I;m a minister, own a business, employ workers of labor, and yes,destiny can be changed/influenced through prayer

I;m a minister, own a business, employ workers of labor, and yes,destiny can be changed/influenced through prayer

no, abandon your business to cessation first and keep praying let's see whether the prayer can change destiny.

It's easy to talk but hard to do

Martinez19:
Prayer can change the tone of your vocal cord muscles. It can also cause disturbance to your neighbours if it loud enough. Studies have shown that prayer can indeed change destiny for the worse if one solely depends and wait on it for a good future.
And so much for good destiny, majority of conc. prayer warriors are usually destitute and jobless or people with low standard of living just surviving the day. This is Martinez19 live on nairaland news. Thanks.

As a respected Scientist, Philosopher and Nairalander I can confirm this post is 100% true

paxonel:
no, abandon your business to cessation first and keep praying let's see whether the prayer can change destiny.

It's easy to talk but hard to do

Manna can fall from heaven o ye of little faith

splenzard:
Since I came of age, every crossover night have been spent in the cold night under blaring speakers screaming "You'll have your dream car this year, you'll build that house this year"

frantically the whole congregation screams "Amen" as the clergy tells us the louder your amen, the bigger your blessings.


Looking back at it now, if I had spent those nights brainstorming how I was going to make more money, I'd have been more successful than I am now.

Those prayer are not a waste of time. provided you do it with a pure heart. and with a heart full of faith in christ Jesus alone. Then in due time, you shall see all those prayers working for you.

hopefulLandlord:


Manna can fall from heaven o ye of little faith

that was before!
Understand now that times have change and God is in support of the change.

paxonel:
no, abandon your business to cessation first and keep praying let's see whether the prayer can change destiny.

It's easy to talk but hard to do

You must be a joke.. Why will he abandon his work and face prayer alone?
The problem many of you have is that, you want to push your responsibility to God and fold your hands expecting a miracle to happen. It can't happen that way boy, the Bible teaches faith with works and not faith without works.

Yes, prayer cannot change destiny. But forces of darkness can alter ones destiny and make man a colossal failure.. That is why you need prayers to secure your destiny.

And some times, man's will is different from God's will for him. So you need prayer to have revelation of what God wants for your life.


Many a times, what we desire is different from what God wants for us, but prayer helps us to know the mind of God for our lives


Jesus Himself prayed to change His destiny to die on the cross but He immediately told God that not His own will but God's own will be done.

Meti99:


You must be a joke.. Why will he abandon his work and face prayer alone?
The problem many of you have is that, you want to push your responsibility to God and fold your hands expecting a miracle to happen. It can't happen that way boy, the Bible teaches faith with works and not faith without works.

This is the same thing I'm telling him what's your problem?

Yes, prayer cannot change destiny. But forces of darkness can alter ones destiny and make man a colossal failure.. That is why you need prayers to secure your destiny.

you don't have any scripture for this your assertion.
which forces of darkness be that?
This modern day?
Except the individual is not a christian. Even non christians are doing great exploit, no forces of darkness is stoping them how much more christians.

And some times, man's will is different from God's will for him. So you need prayer to have revelation of what God wants for your life.

the only prayer you need is the Lord's prayer, something short and straight to the point.

Many a times, what we desire is different from what God wants for us, but prayer helps us to know the mind of God for our lives

big lie! It is only the bible that help us know the mind of God, not what comes out of your mouth as prayer. So, if you want to understand God's mind understand your bible first.

Someone who understand what God want will go about doing God's will without being religious or prayerful. That is how God want us to be

Jesus Himself prayed to change His destiny to die on the cross but He immediately told God that not His own will but God's own will be done.

assuming after Jesus prayed he didn't die on the cross then what's the essence of the prayer?

We Africans we like prayer a lot, but to do what we should be doing na wahalla

bh

Yes but God predestines Everything.

If it is changed, it is not destiny. If it is destiny, it cannot be changed. Depending on his you define destiny though

princeSammyz:
If it is changed, it is not destiny. If it is destiny, it cannot be changed. Depending on his you define destiny though

very simple