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|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 9:06am On May 09, 2019|
Ok thanks for sharing your opinion. You can substantiate your claim with your findings about Yoruba origin.
How old are you?
Whatever you do to raise that much can help you make millions, don't be in a hurry to start something else because, the more you have to start, the more you have to lose. Its not about the big money, but good idea that you invest 20% and cash out 80%. Then rinse and repeat.
Be humble to learn from those that know better than you and apply their wisdom in your life and business and it will be good for you. What you are experiencing presently is the temptation to ground your business capital under the pretext of "what next?". Don't be stuck on sucker.
There is nothing like where to relax when you are just waking up in the morning into business. So, if you hide from hardwork, you will be exposed to hardship. Go and face the "brainwork" that goes with good success, and success will befriend you always. You haven't arrive yet.
That's what you ought to do and do more buying and selling for profits. Meanwhile, intellectual expertise is beyond buying and selling. If you can solve your own intellectual problem, you can proceed to solve we Yoruba problem banking on your intellectual prowess on Yoruba.
For now, you are a trader, not a scholar.
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:35pm On Dec 21, 2019|
macof:Islam didn't come to Yoruba land before Christianity but Coptic Christian arrived as the present dsy Yoruba. And 18 century Christianity didn't expose Yoruba to the Ancient Hebrew God called Ella. The same name as Yoruba's God called Ela.The English language translated the Latin-Roma-,Greek Bible to her language, which was foreign. Ela is Coptic christain's Hebrew religion, ancient name of the God of Hebrew that became combined as Old and New testament, which the English called Eli in the Bible. Plainly, ‘Ella' and not ‘Eli' is the name of Ancient Hebrew's God.
As at today,there is research which is unreleased journal from a renown female professor in Harvard University, who specialise on Yoruba Art and history. This renown professor will soon come out with her journal on the Coptic Christian history before 12000AD in West Africa.
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:46pm On Dec 21, 2019|
You asserted this, ‘I must say yoruba history is a very complex and knotty one due to a lot of dispersion, intermingling, migration and emigration, which makes it very difficult to agree at a consensus. no matter how right both of you are in your view, I still hold to my assertion that no scholastic view of the yoruba race is so sacrosanct that it should be taken as final. if you ask me, just take a look at the bickering between the olugbo and the oni different view of history of yoruba.'
Genuinely, I stumbled on this above statement which is credited to you and I realized, you're 100% correct, on the reason, there is a divergent view on Yoruba place of origin. This is thw reason, I decided to use linguistic approach and Art work to ascertain the majority of the group that came together or those that their history, seemingly aligned through protolanguage.
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 10:32pm On Dec 23, 2019|
Go and seek cure
History is not your calling, your unemployment is no excuse self proclaim yourself a historian
It is obvious you have no understanding of historical methodologies or any respect for historical consistency
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:34am On Dec 24, 2019|
macof:Ordinarily,I ought ask moderators that you should be banned for usage of vulgar word on my personality but I wont. However, your conscience will judge you.
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 1:59am On Dec 25, 2019|
Olu317:Olu don't mind that meat head macof.. ..Olu you are 100% on point
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 2:06am On Dec 25, 2019|
macof are you historian? what state are you from ?
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 10:20am On Dec 25, 2019|
Obalufon:Smiles. Ba me, I am 100% not perturb by his view on me because I am Oma Ela,which is supreme religion. Obviously he is not an initiate because an initiate is always careful with utterance or view been shared. The guy failed to realise that an Awo doesnt think death or evil on an Awo, ‘Awo ki ro iku si awo' abe le ta ogberi. Ile ba oma ki ba oma li eru. O di odi
Let me quickly ask you to google ‘baba' and its meaning as well as its origin so that you will be shocked that Oyibos don't believe yoruba are Africans because the word is not an African word. Even Ba is not too,which is the ancient and dialectal Yoruba word for father or lord of the family.
Less I forget, you have not posted the Opa Ogun that you promised me ,which is near the market square. Sincerely I need it as part of my research work of ancient Yoruba outside Nigeria.
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 6:13pm On Dec 25, 2019|
Mr Olu what do you know about Ede gesi some attributes it to English language spoken by brit but is not ...How could small ile -ife know more about sea and it's treasures to the extent of harnessing its force
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 6:20pm On Dec 25, 2019|
sorry bro i have been so busy in Lagos, i promise to post it with video next month
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 7:01pm On Dec 25, 2019|
Obalufon:yes i am
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 7:07pm On Dec 25, 2019|
Obalufon:oh, another slowpoke. i even thought you were a healthy human being before entertaining your personal questions. Obviously it is you and your jobless band of hebrew wannabes you are reffering
afterall it takes people who have a problem in the head to even imagine the yorubas as hebrews
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 7:21pm On Dec 25, 2019|
Wait! Did I read right?
You are now claiming to be an Awo
Wonders shall never end
You people sha want to scatter this Yorùbáland
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 11:28pm On Dec 25, 2019|
macof:you lack C'mon sense your brain is caged you can't think out of the box, i don't blame you, you are only reflecting on the history you were taught anything contrary to that you will take offense ..You are pig head.
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 12:17am On Dec 26, 2019|
Obalufon:Sums up everything that is wrong with you
You guys use your wild imagination steeped in inferiority complex and Hebrew worship calling it "thinking outside the box" so all common sense is thrown out the window without any need for consistency with historical facts
History as a discipline doesn't function that way, history is the study of the record of past events and relies heavily on methodologies and sources... History is not the creation of stories
It might appear like mere story telling but history is not so.
Therefore historians do not invent stories, they are not creative story tellers
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 1:37am On Dec 26, 2019|
macof:History Of Roman or yoruba history Oral history or written history .. tell me your source of history on yoruba , Yoruba history is not written ...we had Hebrew influence long time ago okay ..Yoruba race or Odua people is marriage of different people from different migration background , that is why i asked of your state .Oyo people will see reason with Eastern connection more than Ekiti people .. Do you want to tell me about my own history ?..even in ife i'm from obalufon lineage our features ,trait differs from one compound to the other , long head with narrow nose and jawline like our ancient artifact ,that's my family trait and features. i'm not claiming Hebrew or what ever ,what i know is we are different , yoruba see there neighbors as animals or less human. , my maternal ancestry from ondo have oral history of people from the east i thought it was a myth before...
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 1:51am On Dec 26, 2019|
Sheikh Adam Abdullahi Al-ilory had his own history ...itan Yourba by Sheikh Adam Abdullahi Al-ilory.. i think you need to listen to it on youtube though i don't accept his history of yoruba but i can't totally discard his claim
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 3:25am On Dec 26, 2019|
Obalufon:This is your supplier of yoruba history? A man who has no exposure, no training in the matter of history nor of yoruba studies
A very devoted totally swallowed in Islam Sheikh is who you take seriously?
Not Prof. Falola, not Prof. Akintoye, not Prof. Eluyemi
And Youtube is how you spend your time learning Yoruba history? Not peer reviewed journals or books published and supported by research institutions of any history or humanities faculty? Not by travelling Yorùbáland and observing and participating in the traditions?
Do you now see where your problems come from? And why you can't tell fact from fiction?
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:08am On Dec 26, 2019|
macof:How old are you?
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:22am On Dec 26, 2019|
Obalufon:I want to know the distance between the Opa Ogun and Opa Oranmiyan,to establish a fact. It is a study. and don't post it here. Just send it to my e-mail. email@example.com
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:41am On Dec 26, 2019|
Obalufon:I can see the self acclaimed know it all is trolling at you. Perhaps you shouldn't quote him any more you to engage you but I want to know that the man was seen as a prophet by all at Morikas and Yoruba land as whole,even amongst his critic. So,I think it is right time not to engage a fellow who is absolutely ignorant of so many things but claims to be historian. A field that muddled up Yoruba History incoherently without considering Oral, Archeology and linguistic approach which ought to be leeway to the unverified history of fusing Yoruba with Ibos or other ethnic group in West Africa as if Yoruba don't have different identity and mode of traditional worship and ciltural practises. to research work.So dont take him serious.
On Al- Ilory's morikas is in Agege ,Lagos state. It road access, can be through all route within the vicinity it is located at Agege. From Total ,where the bus conveying or from A.p to Iyana Ipaja etc. The place of worship, school etc was very important in the olden days because, this is a place that's not far from Danjuma Cinema.Morikas is very popular in Agege because it was a well established Qur'anic schools that spans over four decades. The man has prove something that the real Yoruba( those that came with scientific knowledge, medicine knowledge-herbology,Earlier Visual Art, Ifaodu-Ela religion are migrants). Though, his knowledge is based on Arabic language that's based on shared word with Yoruba's,which show that Yoruba language travelled over 3000+ miles to be resident in West Africa. Some example are :
1.Aiysh/Asha-: is Hebrew and Yoruba: a word that is tradition in both language
2. Alfa/Aluph/Olifa(Onifa)/Alufa: Arabic,Hebrew and Yoruba : priest
3.Aryan/Eyan-: peole in ancient Persia(Aramaic) and Yoruba: a race, people, humans
4.Ba/Abba/-: is Yoruba and Hebrew word only: father,masculine head of family etc
4.Baba-: is Arabic;Islamic oriented people,Hindu, Hinduism, Sikhism and Yoruba: A holy man, a spiritual leader
6.Baka/Ba ka-: is Hebrew and Yoruba: searching for, wandering looking for.
7. Eda/Eda-: is Hebrew and Yoruba only: identity to identify self as a creature of God. In fact only the Hebrew called themselves this name in ‘Near East'.
8.Ella/Ela/Alla-: is Hebrew/ Yoruba/Arabic: God etc
9.El/ẹ́lẹ́ : Hebrew and Yoruba: mighty, strong8. Hajj/ju(ajo)/ guwr:- Arabic,Yoruba and Hebrew: sojourn, sojourner
10.Insha/a'she : Arabic and Yoruba: grace power,authority
11.Imra/imura:- Arabic and Yoruba: preparation to go to a place
12.Obe/ọ̀bọ̀: Hebrew and Yoruba: familiar spirit
13. Og/Ogun: Hebrew and Yoruba: lord of war
14. San'ra/Sanara: thunderstorm
15. Ruqu/bã rak / ba orokun: bow your knee,bend your knee
There are so many cognates I have studied in Classic Hebrew, which I can share but it will distort my research work. So, I minimize what I share with you, my friends and ignorant critic who use foul languages discriminately.
Infact, there is no iota of doubt that Al Ilory was vast in Arabic language and Yoruba, which made him posited the research work he showcase. In the Circle of some limited Yoruba historians, ‘anyone who didn't study History isn't worth to be taken serious'! Yet, Western world history begun with oral and before documented. And they spend more fund on Archeology and Classic language such as Cuneiform, Pictographs, hieroglyphs etc
Therefore Al Ilory exposed the flaws of Yoruba historians because their historical conception is based on archaic form of knowledge acquisition of European methodology that even the Europeans had moved away from because Archeology and Linguistic hold sway to establishing their views more , which are more tenable than something based on assumption .
Have you ever seen Europeans or Western world accepting the claim that Yoruba are the oldest people on earth without fossil link ? Funnily, Yoruba oral account made mention of it, but there is no evidence to support it. Do you know why ? Yoruba Oral account are in two ways :
1. The levant; Hebrews, Arabs that claim to be the ones who will populate the world through prophesy .
2. The consecrated Ham /darker Africans.
So, don't throw away Al Ilory concept because even the Arabic language is a drift away from Hebrew cum present day Yoruba language. The Hebrew and Yoruba language shared more semblance and meaning in words than any lexicons in the world . Interestingly, the only difference is the English form adopted to translate and transliterate Hebrew language through latin-,Greek around 1600AD in England. While French form of lettering was adopted by Samuel Ajayi Crowther with some English input which heavily influenced through diacritics.
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 9:45am On Dec 26, 2019|
macof:journal on what macof we have no written history you can only learn our history from costodian of our Oral history Mr macof your professors with white man view will distort your mind from knowing the truth .i have known ilory before era of youtube..if i told you about my own maternal oral history regarding this issue ,you would never believe me that is why i use ilory for you to know different people view on yoruba history which i never believe in myself
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 10:01am On Dec 26, 2019|
I read lot of Akintoye journals he might not support east connection but will never doubt influence of sudan ,meditenarean , mauritanian ,Arabic because yoruba are well known long.distance traveller and trader in Ancient time...You need to search your source of history not from yoruba located in Nigeria or ekiti alone go to benin republic Togo even closer shaki ,jebba and upper benin republic closer to Nikki kingdom you will learn more...Even igala and Nupe claim Migrating from Egypt ..
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:08pm On Dec 26, 2019|
Obalufon, At a point in Yoruba modern history, there are different Yoruba people either western world's English language's influenced scholars or Oral influence scholars who disagreed over the place of origin of ancient Yoruba ancestors. But one thing is certain, when so many theories fails, protolanguage solves the problem to balance it with the Art work to balance up the missing link.
Practically, Professor Akintoye in his glory doesn't understand what Cuneiform, pictographs, hieroglyphs, papyrus reading is all about. And I am sure he can't a read any of these works.So, why inconsistent bias man without notable knowledge on this platform remained regurgitating over written works that ought to be modified after loopholes in them. Thus limiting Yoruba ancestors( who wore headgears) history to a locality that Yoruba ancestors brought civilization to as the place of their origin.
In fact, there is a confusion about which is older between Yoruba's Ifaodu and Arabic's Ilm Al-raml, which constitutes an omnipresent divination system in the Arabic and Islamic culture. Thus, I will not blame Professor Akintoye because his calling is limted to wbat his understanding can adhere. In fact,some Western oriented Yoruba scholars can't do anything unless it is an English's language European influenced, which is the reason, I mock that lad on this platform whose knowledge is extremely limited to a robotic or programmed hypothesis.
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:19pm On Dec 26, 2019|
Ooni Ife Bronze Head. The headgear crown has rosette as found in Sumerian Pictographs and Near East Inscription BC . While the Covering of the face were with chain to shield the eyes and beautify the wearer of the crown as a wealthy king. Does the costume look African? Even at excavated Faros,non was seen to had worn this attire. Yet, we see pro Nigeria's aboriginal people, whose descendants were conscripted as Yoruba, forcing null and void history on the real founders of Near East civilization in Nigeria
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 1:26pm On Dec 26, 2019|
aboriginal people in west Africa coast don't have clothing culture they look different from us ...
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:46pm On Dec 26, 2019|
And your Sheikh Abdul ilory or whatever he is called is a custodian of oral traditions? Not Baba Abimbola, not Baba Elebuibon and other prominent traditionalists who have maintained the aboriginal status of yorubas
Obviously you still didn't learn anything from my explanation of a historians work. you think historians do not make use of oral traditions?? And records do not have to be written, oral traditions are classified as oral records.
Smh. You just have it in your head that history is a free for all, all hands on deck, opportunity out of unemployment venture
And it appears it would be extremely difficult for you to comprehend the fact that history has consistent methods
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:52pm On Dec 26, 2019|
Obalufon:Contact is not the same as origin
And it is more evident that influences of the sudanic and Arabic language and culture passed through our Muslim west African neighbours like the Mande, Hausa and fulani than a direct contact between Yoruba and the Arab world. And such influences exist only among the northern Yoruba especially the Oyo who are considered younger than more Eastern Yoruba subgroups
So I take it that you are saying you've been to all this places on a research trip?
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:48pm On Dec 26, 2019|
Obalufon:They don't look nor had Yoruba's nitty gritty knowledge to understanding the cosmology of Yoruba ancestors. Yoruba brought ifaodu religion,which was the connection Yoruba ancestors and west African dwellers.
Therefore, it is from this point of contact, Yoruba language became the teacher's language ( in linguistic), to the aboriginal people who became partly speakers or loaned into such ethnic group's language that some scholars claimed, that Yoruba parted with some ethnic group, about 2000 years ago. Yoruba language was a lingual franca in some places in Egypt and West Africa at arrival of Yoruba in west Africa.
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 9:36pm On Dec 26, 2019|
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 11:03pm On Dec 26, 2019|
macof:Oyo younger than eastern Yoruba subgroup ? your problem is you are equating yoruba with other tribes.. you are undermining yoruba accomplishment as a race , i'm verse in yoruba religion and science ..
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 5:06am On Dec 27, 2019|
Obalufon:Accomplishment is not "having semitic origin"
Yoruba don't need to deluded herself with semitic origin to feel accomplished
It is inferiority complex to do so
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