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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 9:11pm On Sep 10, 2018
Olu317:
Precisely , the Yorubas are the only people on the face of Earth called, Èdà'. This is more thicker than èníyán because èdà as a word existed before ènìyán in Yoruba ancient lexicon( èdà+èníyán). We are the children of Èlè'dà,who made us know and understand the concept of ‘Ori'. This is the beginning and the end of Yoruba concept of one's creation and well being.

Despite many people in Yoruba enclave through intetmarriages, Yoruba still stand out as a great ethnicity . Although, we must show humility when need be and must be ready when need be because, Èlèdùmàrè is our God.



I am 100% YORUBA
Eda literally means creature, something created, living being...in that regard
And it goes beyond 'eniyan' as you have rightly said because it invokes the concept of Ori..so everything that has Ori(consciousness) is an Eda, it has nothing to do with being Yoruba or not

How does Yoruba greatness mean Hebrew origin
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 10:35pm On Sep 10, 2018
Olu317:
They are never your readers because to comprehend well researched work is a problem. In as much as nothing good can be seen inside omí àdàgun, why bother yourself? Hmmmm, dont bother yourself at someone who can't understand himself ,to even think of understanding others ,so let him continue to study so that his mindset will be driven away from falsified ‘KWA' Conglomorate.

On a last note, you are an Omo-olu-Iwa-bi,so please, ignore élégán and share what Yorub people don't know about Yoruba history so that you become a ‘god' in the sands of time. Don't forget, a mortal Orunmila, Olofin Odua, Ajaokuta,Oranmiyan Obalufon alaymore are acknowledged as ‘gods' today as even written in the Hebrew Book.....You are ‘gods'. I want you to know Purity beget purity,while Evil beget evil.


Peaceful time out to you and your family cool

hmm my prince, cool cool cool

Great and versatile intellectual, how are you doing there? I've not been able to comment for a while, busy weekend. You can see that speculators have taken over the thread and as always is their article in trade, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I am familiar with macof bro. He is always about to tell a grand story but at the end, no ability to forge ahead. But for grammar, twists and bends, he is at home. Any Yoruba enthusiast that follow this circus band will end up confused than he started because with them, the more you look, the less you see. That is the mystery of the day. Welcome to the harvest of grammar.

Don't be carried away by their 'esusu-likes' that they often donate to encourage one another to urge each other on against their common enemy, it is their reward for the grammar and each clown's competitive ability to speculate. It is what they do best.

When will their speculation lead to a tangible and astonishing discovery in history? Never, it is a vicious cycle, effort in futility. It is the recycling of baseless ideas that never have bearing on Yoruba traditions that they claim is in their possession as one initiate or the other, but the application of such tradition in historical discourse will forever elude them. Meaning, they were not chosen.

My great prince, let it be clear to you that you are making intellectual progress, because speculations will never become a subject in history, it will always cast intellectual blindness on its adherents. But what shall eventually become celebrated is evidence-based findings buried in the ebbs of time, speculators will never find it. Please don't speculate, just do your best and leave the rest.

And, does evidence-based findings exist for Yoruba-hebrew connection? 100% yes in affirmation.

And the good news to you tonight is this: you have been chosen. And how do I mean? Well a precept of Odu Ologbon has come to pass on this thread. I needed to call your awareness to it.

"Ogbon nii segun."
Eeribi Orunmila gbe s'oro bee si?

Ni'bi t'ologbon meji bati gbe ns'oro,
okolo ti nbe nibe a d'ofo.

Adia fun atori rojorojo,
tii s'eru akora Ebora.

Let me have your mail, so I can furnish you with some treasures to keep, we can't always tell bro. It is our common heritage anyway. Please once you have it, leave the speculators to their business and build upon it. You need rest to do that.

Stay blessed tonight and always.

Ladi Akinleye.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 10:45pm On Sep 10, 2018
Obalufon:


what do you think about the akoko i need your expertise akoko people ..They claim ife as their source yet they speak distinct language from yoruba
Oh k ..I will give you a lee way..Mo sè ókó àkoko mo sè ókó èkìtì,...whose oriki is it? Ooni olofin descendants and the Yoruba clans that migrated from IFE ,so also other people of Igala as well Edoid group .In a nutshell Akoko is a conglomerate of different group that intermarriages helped shaped their identity. Ooni oranmiyan descendants and his cousins ruled that part with evidence from their oral account and crowns in their possession.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 11:45pm On Sep 10, 2018
absoluteSuccess:


hmm my prince, cool cool cool

Great and versatile intellectual, how are you doing there? I've not been able to comment for a while, busy weekend. You can see that speculators have taken over the thread and as always is their article in trade, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

grin truth? ok truth should be able to come with answers ne? just declaring something truth doesnt make it true. I knew you would run away and hide from me. If you have the truth you should be bold enough to defend it with facts

your points are still waiting for you above to address





I am familiar with macof bro. He is always about to tell a grand story but at the end, no ability to forge ahead. But for grammar, twists and bends, he is at home. Any Yoruba enthusiast that follow this circus band will end up confused than he started because with them, the more you look, the less you see. That is the mystery of the day. Welcome to the harvest of grammar.
historians are a circus band? grin grin grin your total disrespect for people you ought to be looking up to as a history enthusiast is baffling
still havent gotten help with your partial psychosis?

At least i tell stories that are actual history, because i am an actual historian not some cooked up claims that cannot be defended




Don't be carried away by their 'esusu-likes' that they often donate to encourage one another to urge each other on against their common enemy, it is their reward for the grammar and each clown's competitive ability to speculate. It is what they do best.

1. When will their speculation lead to a tangible and astonishing discovery in history? Never, it is a vicious cycle, effort in futility. It is the recycling of 2. baseless ideas that never have bearing on Yoruba traditions that they claim is in their possession as one initiate or the other, but the application of such tradition in historical discourse will forever elude them. Meaning, 3. they were not chosen.

1. the only people making speculations here are you and the olu guy. that is why i have taken my time to ask you questions, giving you a chance to defend your claims, maybe you have obtained some evidence after all these years...so go back and address my points

2. earlier you said yoruba traditions are not your source, that the hebrew part of yoruba origin has faded out of yoruba traditions, so tell me now, after saying that what part of your ideas have bearing on yoruba traditions, and what do you know about yoruba traditions exactly? where have you been and what are your contacts in the traditional circle?

3. i sure wasnt chosen for madness



My great prince, let it be clear to you that you are making intellectual progress, because speculations will never become a subject in history, it will always cast intellectual blindness on its adherents. But what shall eventually become celebrated is evidence-based findings buried in the ebbs of time, speculators will never find it. Please don't speculate, just do your best and leave the rest.
exactly! sometimes you see good things but you dont seem to follow your own advice...try to follow this very advice coming from you
stop making speculations in historical matters and passing it off as truth, because i will be there to scrutinize, you cannot come messing up my field


And, does evidence-based findings exist for Yoruba-hebrew connection? 100% yes in affirmation.

what are these evidence-based findings? there should be traditional, linguistic or even genetic... so far we have studied all 3 branches and no hebrew connection proven but maybe those outside the discipline see something historians dont.. in that case you need to answer many questions

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:18am On Sep 11, 2018
absoluteSuccess:


hmm my prince, cool cool cool

Great and versatile intellectual, how are you doing there? I've not been able to comment for a while, busy weekend. You can see that speculators have taken over the thread and as always is their article in trade, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I am familiar with macof bro. He is always about to tell a grand story but at the end, no ability to forge ahead. But for grammar, twists and bends, he is at home. Any Yoruba enthusiast that follow this circus band will end up confused than he started because with them, the more you look, the less you see. That is the mystery of the day. Welcome to the harvest of grammar.

Don't be carried away by their 'esusu-likes' that they often donate to encourage one another to urge each other on against their common enemy, it is their reward for the grammar and each clown's competitive ability to speculate. It is what they do best.

When will their speculation lead to a tangible and astonishing discovery in history? Never, it is a vicious cycle, effort in futility. It is the recycling of baseless ideas that never have bearing on Yoruba traditions that they claim is in their possession as one initiate or the other, but the application of such tradition in historical discourse will forever elude them. Meaning, they were not chosen.

My great prince, let it be clear to you that you are making intellectual progress, because speculations will never become a subject in history, it will always cast intellectual blindness on its adherents. But what shall eventually become celebrated is evidence-based findings buried in the ebbs of time, speculators will never find it. Please don't speculate, just do your best and leave the rest.

And, does evidence-based findings exist for Yoruba-hebrew connection? 100% yes in affirmation.

And the good news to you tonight is this: you have been chosen. And how do I mean? Well a precept of Odu Ologbon has come to pass on this thread. I needed to call your awareness to it.

"Ogbon nii segun."
Eeribi Orunmila gbe s'oro bee si?

Ni'bi t'ologbon meji bati gbe ns'oro,
okolo ti nbe nibe a d'ofo.

Adia fun atori rojorojo,
tii s'eru akora Ebora.

Let me have your mail, so I can furnish you with some treasures to keep, we can't always tell bro. It is our common heritage anyway. Please once you have it, leave the speculators to their business and build upon it. You need rest to do that.

Stay blessed tonight and always.

Ladi Akinleye.
Tough call trough, as I can see. ‘We can't always tell', is for the faithless in Èlèdumarè. There is a purpose in life for everything and everyone. As a chosen, as you see me, even if , I do intend to be seen as extraordinary. Despite being born as àkàndà , it doesn't give me a privilege as a special one because everything is in the hand of our Èlè'dà.

Èlèdumare will perfect his word on our life.

xylovoice@gmail.com
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:05am On Sep 11, 2018
Obalufon:
if the ibos are not bantu..what are they then .. Africans are not the same we are more than our skin color ..we are so diverse ..you may not believe i can tell the group people fall into mere looking at their skin tone and hue the texture of the skin and type hair texture anthropological features cranial shape limb and body proportion also eyes

Ibos are Ibos, of a common ancestry with Edo, Yoruba, Igala, Idoma, Nupe, Egbira, Gwari, Fon, Ewe and Akan
There is no collective term for these people due to the long period of separation and little contact afterwards

Efik-Ibibio and Ogoni are semi-bantu, while the Ekoi and Tiv are bantu

lets take imagination and ideas of super powers out and deal with practicality

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:55am On Sep 11, 2018
macof:
Eda literally means creature, something created, living being...in that regard
And it goes beyond 'eniyan' as you have rightly said because it invokes the concept of Ori..so everything that has Ori(consciousness) is an Eda, it has nothing to do with being Yoruba or not

How does Yoruba greatness mean Hebrew origin
Ori consciousness is deeper than the way you make ‘ori', concept seems because it is about one's spiritual connection to one's creator,who one appease so that one's path in life is filled positive fulfilment. If you know the strength of language, you wouldn't underestimate the meaning of Édà in ancient Yoruba lexicon because, it is a word that has extreme life and death spiritual intonation in it. For example, ‘Orí mí másè fí'mì sílè, Elédáà mi másè gbàgbé'. The aftermetioned statement says it all in Yoruba's concept of ‘Orí',who is seeking the divine mercy, favour and blessing from God. Do you really know the depth of ,Orí là bà máa bo, à bá f'òrìshà sílè?


Secondly, ‘ Édà'', is a word for ‘Humanity'and not just creature,because, creature is what has life in it but the metaphysical aspect of ‘édà', blong only to Yorubas.And only Yoruba people use this word for themselves.

Contrary to your view,the ancient Yoruba see themselves as superior to their neighbors because their civilzation and spiritualism was above all,which gave rise to their secrecy on some aspects of their lives that connected them to God.

Sir, before you were born, or I,there were account of people whose lifestyle was patterned after their connectivity to God,that the world did not know except the ancient Hebrew. In human history, ‘almighty god', were human beings turned, ‘god', in nearly in all the world culture except Yoruba and Ancient Hebrew. Thos is the reason, Yoruba is being studied deeply so as to confirm their lost identity. After all Dierk Lange, categorically said,Yoruba were‘THE LOST TRIBE OF ISRAEL'. So know this, History is about the, Past, Present and Future', so stop personalising Yoruba's as if they were alien on earth.

Furthermore,the people being addressed today as Yorubas were not known as this in the Past but with a different names. So,stop being regressive with your perspective if you are an historian as being claimed but expose yourself to current research work in the field of history ,because the Yoruba history isn't in isolation.

On a last note,Yoruba visual Art and IFA' religious tradition is a stand alone in West Africa,which such cognate was also found in Iboland, North Africa , Middle East etc. But today Ibo's AFA is silenced and does not have the geomancy or scientific aspect as well as spiritual inclination in the same way as Yorubas,because Yoruba IFA is in the united Nation as a symbol of Yoruba's greatness in religious circle.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:52am On Sep 11, 2018
macof:
Ibos are Ibos, of a common ancestry with Edo, Yoruba, Igala, Idoma, Nupe, Egbira, Gwari, Fon, Ewe and Akan
There is no collective term for these people due to the long period of separation and little contact afterwards

Efik-Ibibio and Ogoni are semi-bantu, while the Ekoi and Tiv are bantu

lets take imagination and ideas of super powers out and deal with practicality
What is this? Oga Ibo is Ibo ,the same way Oyinbo is Oyinbo. ln likewise manner that Nubian is Nubian and are all related to Ethiopian in the same world is related. until you realise that religion and civilzation changed the phase of the world. The people you mentioned as having same ancestry with Yoruba dont share same school of thought . Furthermore but I am not nor am I related religiously to people whose strongest diety is ‘bulu', a female deity that became conscripted into Yoruba's religious doctined in South America's Cuba etc.

Please find just 150 ancient Yoruba's word list that that is coded in IFA corpus to proof your cognates to proof the strong connection between Yoruba and the people you so called Yoruba family. Please don't say divergence of language because this divergence isn't true.In fact, part of aspects of Yoruba circumcision dont exist in Iboland. À jé'kùtá má mú'mí are not related to Yoruba beyond advent of intermarriages. The Fon people that you think donot have same historical migration connection with Yoruba's nor linguistic connection. Despite this people's are the largest ethnic group in Bénin Republic and speak fon language their language didnt infiltrate Yoruba's. What do you mean?I know this ‘wicked people', very well because I had once lived in the heart of their creme de la creme's city called Atlantique. A place where is one of the strong hold of Dahomey. This is the place their best university is situated. And I once lived exactly in Kèrèkou Pàvé, which is after Calavi, before you get to a Jehovah witness's assembly known in french as, ‘Te moi Jéhovah' and before Akkassato. If you doubt,Kindly ask any one who is familiar with Bénin Republic.The point here is that modern research does not support your theory,with scientific discovery of 8% DNA,solely found in Yoruba people and non existence of Pygmies found in Yoruba blood but pygmies traces were found in Bantu. Ponder over the following questions:

How do you explain the above's scientific revelation?

Have you clearly seen that gradually Yoruba is being differentiated from West Africa and Bantu groups?

Have you no knowledge of Ibos being known as Bantu group whose ancestors were said to had started from the present day Adamawa region ?

Have no knowledge that Ibo language has once being linguistically claimed to be the oldest in the world yea? undecided undecided

On a final submission, show or proof if there was anytime when Yoruba language is known as the being the oldest in the world.So help yourself to Kindly do the needful to travel to explore west Africa and see the region so that your theory will be discarded by yourself and some of your likemind that haven't had such experience grin grin.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 9:14am On Sep 11, 2018
Olu317:
Oh k ..I will give you a lee way..Mo sè ókó àkoko mo sè ókó èkìtì,...whose oriki is it? Ooni olofin descendants and the Yoruba clans that migrated from IFE ,so also other people of Igala as well Edoid group .In a nutshell Akoko is a conglomerate of different group that intermarriages helped shaped their identity. Ooni oranmiyan descendants and his cousins ruled that part with evidence from their oral account and crowns in their possession.

know the Oriki thanks bro ..who are the olusi in ekiti and akoko?
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 9:58am On Sep 11, 2018
macof:
Ibos are Ibos, of a common ancestry with Edo, Yoruba, Igala, Idoma, Nupe, Egbira, Gwari, Fon, Ewe and Akan
There is no collective term for these people due to the long period of separation and little contact afterwards

Efik-Ibibio and Ogoni are semi-bantu, while the Ekoi and Tiv are bantu

lets take imagination and ideas of super powers out and deal with practicality

Yoruba is yoruba ..Africa is conglomerate of diverse race of people ..we are diverse people ,...Yoruba possible link with ibo could be 2million years ago .laugh..
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 10:03am On Sep 11, 2018
Olu317:
What is this? Oga Ibo is Ibo ,the same way Oyinbo is Oyinbo. ln likewise manner that Nubian is Nubian and are all related to Ethiopian in the same world is related. until you realise that religion and civilzation changed the phase of the world. The people you mentioned as having same ancestry with Yoruba dont share same school of thought . Furthermore but I am not nor am I related religiously to people whose strongest diety is ‘bulu', a female deity that became conscripted into Yoruba's religious doctined in South America's Cuba etc.

Please find just 150 ancient Yoruba's word list that that is coded in IFA corpus to proof your cognates to proof the strong connection between Yoruba and the people you so called Yoruba family. Please don't say divergence of language because this divergence isn't true.In fact, part of aspects of Yoruba circumcision dont exist in Iboland. À jé'kùtá má mú'mí are not related to Yoruba beyond advent of intermarriages. The Fon people that you think donot have same historical migration connection with Yoruba's nor linguistic connection. Despite this people's are the largest ethnic group in Bénin Republic and speak fon language their language didnt infiltrate Yoruba's. What do you mean?I know this ‘wicked people', very well because I had once lived in the heart of their creme de la creme's city called Atlantique. A place where is one of the strong hold of Dahomey. This is the place their best university is situated. And I once lived exactly in Kèrèkou Pàvé, which is after Calavi, before you get to a Jehovah witness's assembly known in french as, ‘Te moi Jéhovah' and before Akkassato. If you doubt,Kindly ask any one who is familiar with Bénin Republic.The point here is that modern research does not support your theory,with scientific discovery of 8% DNA,solely found in Yoruba people and non existence of Pygmies found in Yoruba blood but pygmies traces were found in Bantu. Ponder over the following questions:

How do you explain the above's scientific revelation?

Have you clearly seen that gradually Yoruba is being differentiated from West Africa and Bantu groups?

Have you no knowledge of Ibos being known as Bantu group whose ancestors were said to had started from the present day Adamawa region ?

Have no knowledge that Ibo language has once being linguistically claimed to be the oldest in the world yea? undecided undecided

On a final submission, show or proof if there was anytime when Yoruba language is known as the being the oldest in the world.So help yourself to Kindly do the needful to travel to explore west Africa and see the region so that your theory will be discarded by yourself and some of your likemind that haven't had such experience grin grin.



Ibos migrated from aborigine koma people of Adamawa mountain region between Cameroon and Nigeria

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 12:41pm On Sep 11, 2018
macof:
Yoruba call every human being 'eniyan' even the europeans are eniyan because 'eniyan' means 'human'
So trying to twist this to the hebrew 'chosen people' fails here
yoruba of old would never call other people outside their group eniyan.. what you would hear is derogatory remark people think is out of pride but yoruba know who they are, just the way it is ..Even Awolowo did the same his famous quote to the Hausas..kaka ka dobale fun gambari, ka kuku" its better to die than bowing for gambari the northern people hausa. .Eniyan is an attribute or race of people ..Adari wu irun."" Is human ....Se bi eniyan "" behave like the chosen ....wu iwa be eniyan rin bi eniyan"" behave like the chosen .rin bi eniyan"" walk like the chosen. oyinbo is oyinbo ,gambari is gambari ..ibo is ibo. laugh
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 1:34pm On Sep 11, 2018
Obalufon:


know the Oriki thanks bro ..who are the olusi in ekiti and akoko?
Some of the Olusi -Luusi, in Kwara, Ekiti, Akoko etc are his descendants. As it is an oral account that Luusi left Ileife during the reign of Lafogido. He sojourned through the land of his cousins, OwaObokun and thereafter, left after a while to settled down somewhere close to Ado . And when Ado was in need of help ,he was called to fight for them and he fought and won for them. He moved back to his domain and reigned for many years before he died at an advanced age and was buried.

A descendant of Luusi , Ori mo è ni mà laadè,that became contracted ‘Laade', was chosen who was already an established warrior who became the leader,and took the panegyric sè ókó àkoko sè oko Èkiti because he was a tough and powerful warrior with potency on osanyi spiritual powers.


After due consultation of IFA, they were told to move out of Ekiti, and thereby made them exhumed Luusi's body after the dictate of IFA. In between this period, some of his descendants move back and forth between IFE and other places to settle down. Some of the people who were under the banner of Luusi's name used his name to form a new settlement.


Thereafter, some of his descendants went back to ILEIFE while others took his body and reburied Luusi in Akoko. And when they arrived, at the new Akoko settlement,where they were welcomed by their maternally linked family from ILE IFE. Thereafter, IFA was consulted and they were told to go back to ILEIFE to fetch Esinmirin water,which they did and the fetched Esinmirin water from ILEIFE, was poured into a flowing river, in the new Akoko settlement that the river was renamed Esinmirin water.

Thus,everytime there is an invasion or problem in ILEIFE, they always go back to fight for their father's scared throne.This is the reason I smiled at the ignorance of some people who don't know much about some aspects of ILEIFE history but say trash about my ancestors that have sacrificed their blood and time to make the stability of ILEIFE real.....



Cheers.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 2:28pm On Sep 11, 2018
Olu317:
Ori consciousness is deeper than the way you make ‘ori', concept seems because it is about one's spiritual connection to one's creator,who one appease so that one's path in life is filled positive fulfilment. If you know the strength of language, you wouldn't underestimate the meaning of Édà in ancient Yoruba lexicon because, it is a word that has extreme life and death spiritual intonation in it. For example, ‘Orí mí másè fí'mì sílè, Elédáà mi másè gbàgbé'. The aftermetioned statement says it all in Yoruba's concept of ‘Orí',who is seeking the divine mercy, favour and blessing from God. Do you really know the depth of ,Orí là bà máa bo, à bá f'òrìshà sílè?
I am jut confused right here, how did i underestimate the concept of ori and the meaning of eda?

here is what you posted

Olu317: the Yorubas are the only people on the face of Earth called, Èdà'


this is far from the truth and everybody who speaks yoruba language knows this. so you are the one underestimating the meaning of Eda not me.

That is why yoruba have Eda eniyan, Abami eda, eda elemi, eda adariwurun... Eda means creature, as Eleda means creator



Secondly, ‘ 1. Édà'', is a word for ‘Humanity'and not just creature,because, creature is what has life in it but the metaphysical aspect of 2. ‘édà', blong only to Yorubas.And only Yoruba people use this word for themselves.

'Eda eniyan' is the word for Humanity. I dont expect any yoruba speaker not to know this
but anyway thats not important to the topic at hand..lets not derail


1 & 2. so Yoruba are the only humans on earth? did you think before you posted this?




Contrary to your view,the ancient Yoruba see themselves as superior to their neighbors because their civilzation and spiritualism was above all,which gave rise to their secrecy on some aspects of their lives that connected them to God.
How does yoruba feeling of cultural superiority oppose the common origin of yoruba with her neighbors? the Edo also have a feeling of cultural superiority, even higher than the Yorubas...feeling of cultural superiority is relative to how well organized and prosperous a people perceive themselves above their neighbors. Egyptians had a feeling of cultural superiority , Greeks had a feeling of cultural superiority, the british had a feeling of cultural superiority, the mongols had a feelings of cultural superiority, the Persians had a feeling of that same cultural superiority...all of them have a common origin with their neighbors, same neighbors they felt superior to
I'm pretty sure the Ibos had a feeling of cultural superiority too




Sir, before you were born, or I,there were account of people whose lifestyle was patterned after their connectivity to God,that the world did not know except the ancient Hebrew. In human history, ‘almighty god', were human beings turned, ‘god', in nearly in all the world culture except Yoruba and Ancient Hebrew. Thos is the reason, Yoruba is being studied deeply so as to confirm their lost identity. After all Dierk Lange, categorically said,Yoruba were‘THE LOST TRIBE OF ISRAEL'. So know this, History is about the, Past, Present and Future', so stop personalising Yoruba's as if they were alien on earth.
all ancient civilizations are patterned after their connection to their God. taking world history through one perspective(in this case hebrew) will only lead you to misconceptions. So when you say things like only hebrews worshipped God, that is not history, that is just you exposing your religious beliefs

all this hebrew claims are just a scheme to spread more jewish/christian sentiments among yoruba folk, that is why only theologians and their christian followers claim this. Are you a pastor?

sure Dierk lange did claim a middle eastern origin for yoruba but then comes the scrutiny, just like you say the same thing and i ask you questions(which you have not answered...scroll up and address them please).
Herr Lange did not deny that Yoruba is gentically related to her neighbors, he also had nothing to challenge the status of yoruba language as a Niger-kongo language because basically his entire conception of africa is that africans have middle-eastern origin, he did not separate yoruba from her neighbors, he only claimed these africans came from the middle east
hausa are cannanites, malians/songhai are akkadians, kanuri are assyrians, yoruba are a mix of arabs and cannaanite, borgu are persians, nubians are arabs etc

He based all this on things he heard and read, without verifying anything to be factual.

So Dierk Lange is not someone you should mention, because even his work doesnt agree with you exactly, you claim only yoruba have hebrew connection, he claims just about all africans do



Furthermore,the people being addressed today as Yorubas were not known as this in the Past but with a different names. So,stop being regressive with your perspective if you are an historian as being claimed but 1. expose yourself to current research work in the field of history ,because the Yoruba history isn't in isolation.

On a last note,Yoruba visual Art and 2. IFA' religious tradition is a stand alone in West Africa,which such cognate was also found in Iboland, North Africa , Middle East etc. But today Ibo's AFA is silenced and does not have the geomancy or scientific aspect as well as spiritual inclination in the same way as Yorubas,because Yoruba IFA is in the united Nation as a symbol of Yoruba's greatness in religious circle.

1. if Dierk Lange is your current research work, let me tell you there is no new information in his work...they are all pre-colonial and colonial materials, back when african history was considered to not even exist, as in Historians believed africa had no history...this is why all those theologians who pioneered writting yoruba history did so with no subsaharan-african background, there was nothing like history in subsaharan africa, so history had to begin with the nearest place outside subsaharan africa ie. western asia and egypt

2. can we have a list of these cognates?

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 3:41pm On Sep 11, 2018
Obalufon:
yoruba of old would never call other people outside their group eniyan.. 1. what you would hear is derogatory remark people think is out of pride but yoruba know who they are, just the way it is ..Even Awolowo did the same his famous quote to the Hausas..kaka ka dobale fun gambari, ka kuku" its better to die than bowing for gambari the northern people hausa. .Eniyan is an attribute or race of people ..2. Adari wu irun."" Is human ....Se bi eniyan "" behave like the chosen ....wu iwa be eniyan rin bi eniyan"" behave like the chosen .rin bi eniyan"" walk like the chosen. 3. oyinbo is oyinbo ,gambari is gambari ..ibo is ibo. laugh
i'm guessing you dont speak yoruba language fluently?

1. gambari is not even derogatory, that is the actual yoruba name for Hausa or Aboki (which is less used). How is gambari derogatory in that statement of Awo? I cant even think of any derogatory name Yoruba have for any nation

2. Eda Adariwurun is an oriki of eniyan, just as ajanaku is oriki for Erin(elephant)... rin bi eniyan? and how do yorubas walk since 'eniyan' according to you means Yoruba?

let me give two more
riro ni t'eniyan, sise ni t'olorun...thinking is for man, God makes it happen
gbogbo eniyan ni oo ku... every man must die...not all of yoruba must die


now i dont expect you to be arguing blindly, you can first acquaint yourself with a yoruba dictionary at least if you dont speak fluent yoruba instead embarrassing yourself

3. Oyinbo is Oyinbo, yet there are subdivisions, Geesi is English, Faranse is French, Potoki is Portuguess etc

I can see you are new to this hebrew thing, let me just advice you to always ask questions and most times, common sense is enough... so this your attempt to twist 'eniyan' to hebrews is laughable, jokes on you. i dont know why you wrote 'laughs' at the end of your post like you just posted something sensible

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:37pm On Sep 11, 2018
macof:
i'm guessing you dont speak yoruba language fluently?

1. gambari is not even derogatory, that is the actual yoruba name for Hausa or Aboki (which is less used). How is gambari derogatory in that statement of Awo? I cant even think of any derogatory name Yoruba have for any nation

2. Eda Adariwurun is an oriki of eniyan, just as ajanaku is oriki for Erin(elephant)... rin bi eniyan? and how do yorubas walk since 'eniyan' according to you means Yoruba?

let me give two more
riro ni t'eniyan, sise ni t'olorun...thinking is for man, God makes it happen
gbogbo eniyan ni oo ku... every man must die...not all of yoruba must die


now i dont expect you to be arguing blindly, you can first acquaint yourself with a yoruba dictionary at least if you dont speak fluent yoruba instead embarrassing yourself

3. Oyinbo is Oyinbo, yet there are subdivisions, Geesi is English, Faranse is French, Potoki is Portuguess etc

I can see you are new to this hebrew thing, let me just advice you to always ask questions and most times, common sense is enough... so this your attempt to twist 'eniyan' to hebrews is laughable, jokes on you. i dont know why you wrote 'laughs' at the end of your post like you just posted something sensible
macof that I know will always be macof grin grin grin. Let me quickly answer you through the following:

1. When I referred to oyinbo is Oyinbo, I was, simply referring to the general term for light skin from Yoruba concept of being. Despite this, many of my ancestral fathers were light skin people. Infact,I know one among one of the Ooni's known as Agbedegbede Oyinbo grin grin. So you can see, light skin people have always being part of my fathers. My own late father was a very light skin and one of my son is a light skin. Even Oranmiyan was termed to be light skin. Mr,, nationalities were what you mentioned ,so forget your different mentioned nationalities. And you blundered because Geesi means spoken language of a group among the Oyinbos. Subdivision of group isnt a general term.

2. Again you made a mistake on Gambari and Hausa because Gambari is different from Hausa, from ancient Yoruba ,even during invasion of Ilorin. There is nowhere in Yoruba's history did yoruba ever reffered to Hausa as Gambari.The Gambari term was used interchangeably with some variant people of Fulani ancestry. Let me refresh your memory with one old yoruba proverb to this effect; Gambari pàa Fúláni ..........sè bí okàn ní wón. So when you engage someone like me ,be well prepared grin.

3. Contrary to your imagination, I didn't claimed éníyàn as Hebrew's word for human being. If you see anything related to it,kindly post it.

4. Dierk Lange's research is not a newly founded knowledge and not linked to linguistic connection of cognate word I have shared in anyway. Far from it. And once am done,you will view through payment for knowledge if you like or ready to criticise it.

5. Èdà àdàríwùrún isn't as old as ‘Èdà', itself.This word was a coinage by the Islamic Yoruba scholars and not Yoruba ancient elders. In ancient Yoruba concept of Ori, it clearly identify with it as Èdà,which is derived from the relationship between human and God. Èdà is a stand alone word. The same way óorún became óhún in the Islamic concept of the heaven-sky,and which the prefix olo-run and Olo-hun was added to it. Honestly I will like to learn,if you can quote it from IFA's corpus, where àdàriwùrún was mentioned.

6. I have answered your question Sir, on the believed of migration of Yoruba from different places and the superiority complex of Yoruba's. The Yoruba group were dreaded by nearly all ethnicity, wherever they were met because they were warrior like, industrious and a very WEALTHY GROUP, which is contrary to your modern knowledge, as other groups see themselves as superior to Yorubas. Even the white explorers confirmed this when they came to West Africa. Let me quickly give you another instance, for example , if Yoruba and some people die in an accident in ancient Yoruba land,the yoruba says; èeyan kàn kù àtí..........(the name of the group or tribe ).This is how Yoruba usually say in the past. Well, if you are from such lineage that history is passed orally, you will understand and if not I don't expect you to understand it.

Even if modernity has changed everything, I don't shy away from the truth as told in the past.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 8:05pm On Sep 11, 2018
Olu317:
Some of the Olusi -Luusi, in Kwara, Ekiti, Akoko etc are his descendants. As it is an oral account that Luusi left Ileife during the reign of Lafogido. He sojourned through the land of his cousins, OwaObokun and thereafter, left after a while to settled down somewhere close to Ado . And when Ado was in need of help ,he was called to fight for them and he fought and won for them. He moved back to his domain and reigned for many years before he died at an advanced age and was buried.

A descendant of Luusi , Ori mo è ni mà laadè,that became contracted ‘Laade', was chosen who was already an established warrior who became the leader,and took the panegyric sè ókó àkoko sè oko Èkiti because he was a tough and powerful warrior with potency on osanyi spiritual powers.


After due consultation of IFA, they were told to move out of Ekiti, and thereby made them exhumed Luusi's body after the dictate of IFA. In between this period, some of his descendants move back and forth between IFE and other places to settle down. Some of the people who were under the banner of Luusi's name used his name to form a new settlement.


Thereafter, some of his descendants went back to ILEIFE while others took his body and reburied Luusi in Akoko. And when they arrived, at the new Akoko settlement,where they were welcomed by their maternally linked family from ILE IFE. Thereafter, IFA was consulted and they were told to go back to ILEIFE to fetch Esinmirin water,which they did and the fetched Esinmirin water from ILEIFE, was poured into a flowing river, in the new Akoko settlement that the river was renamed Esinmirin water.

Thus,everytime there is an invasion or problem in ILEIFE, they always go back to fight for their father's scared throne.This is the reason I smiled at the ignorance of some people who don't know much about some aspects of ILEIFE history but say trash about my ancestors that have sacrificed their blood and time to make the stability of ILEIFE real.....



Cheers.

Are you from akoko"? i also have lineage in Akoko Olusi royal family but the lineage is lost ..i embrace my ile- ife lineage more ? ..I respect you Olu . my mind is flexible ready to learn. i want to learn from you even though i don't share your pacifist attitude towards the white devils laugh

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 8:31pm On Sep 11, 2018
macof:
i'm guessing you dont speak yoruba language fluently?

1. gambari is not even derogatory, that is the actual yoruba name for Hausa or Aboki (which is less used). How is gambari derogatory in that statement of Awo? I cant even think of any derogatory name Yoruba have for any nation

2. Eda Adariwurun is an oriki of eniyan, just as ajanaku is oriki for Erin(elephant)... rin bi eniyan? and how do yorubas walk since 'eniyan' according to you means Yoruba?

let me give two more
riro ni t'eniyan, sise ni t'olorun...thinking is for man, God makes it happen
gbogbo eniyan ni oo ku... every man must die...not all of yoruba must die


now i dont expect you to be arguing blindly, you can first acquaint yourself with a yoruba dictionary at least if you dont speak fluent yoruba instead embarrassing yourself

3. Oyinbo is Oyinbo, yet there are subdivisions, Geesi is English, Faranse is French, Potoki is Portuguess etc

I can see you are new to this hebrew thing, let me just advice you to always ask questions and most times, common sense is enough... so this your attempt to twist 'eniyan' to hebrews is laughable, jokes on you. i dont know why you wrote 'laughs' at the end of your post like you just posted something sensible

I'm laughing Macof i'm not twisting history just having my fun . ile-ife remain the cradle of humanity to me Ile-ife is just too old to unravel its history so i won't disprove Hebrew claim and Egyptian claim because we have too much in common . Even great flood is part of ife history if you don't know .. I'm ready to learn from you macof but i won't accept you tying us up with people that are 1000s of years behind us ...i know nothing i just want to learn.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 9:56pm On Sep 11, 2018
Obalufon:


I'm laughing Macof i'm not twisting history just having my fun . ile-ife remain the cradle of humanity to me Ile-ife is just too old to unravel its history so 1. i won't disprove Hebrew claim and Egyptian claim because we have too much in common . Even great flood is part of ife history if you don't know .. I'm ready to learn from you macof but i won't accept you tying us up with people that are 1000s of years behind us ...i know nothing i just want to learn.
Its cool to have fun grin but not to the extent of partaking in ridiculing the yoruba nation. You know the ironic thing is that your moniker is Obalufon - a legendary Ife king... it is possible you are from Ife and yet so ignorant about the traditions within.

1. what are those things we have in common...what evidence has studies shown to the existence of this 'common things'
2. you do realize almost every culture has a story of a flood... and while nothing has been proven yet, there are theories as to what the Ife flood was all about

I did not tie yoruba to her neighbors, God did before yoruba ever existed...and it is our job to find the facts out
I perceive you hate the people around the yoruba, especially ibo grin grin ... just dont let emotion come in the way of common sense...you see facts, you say wont accept but its claims without any basis that are acceptable? well like i said, if there are really hebrew origins in yoruba, evidence must be found eventually...but as at now o, there is none
so no matter how you run away from it, your cousin is still your cousin whether you hate him or love him

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 10:19pm On Sep 11, 2018
Funny thread. People enjoy ascribing too much to a word and create a problem where there is none. And in the bid to appear smart, then end up having their intelligence called into question.

Gambari is Yoruba term for Hausa.
Yoruba had local names for groups, the same way some other groups have their local names for Yoruba.

See for instance:

Kanike = certain folks from Borno.

Tapa = Nupe/Tiv.

Egun = Ajah

Bariba = Borgu

And so on.

Hausa folks referred to old Oyo as Katunga, it has no meaning in Yoruba but that was Hausa’s term for Oyo.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:43am On Sep 12, 2018
Obalufon:


Are you from akoko"? i also have lineage in Akoko Olusi royal family but the lineage is lost ..i embrace my ile- ife lineage more ? ..I respect you Olu . my mind is flexible ready to learn. i want to learn from you even though i don't share your pacifist attitude towards the white devils laugh
I have answered that question way back. Even to the extent of mentionig one of my ancestor who was known as Ajamaiye ,whose name is imprinted in the sands of time along Derin Ologbenla, Ojaja 1, Fabunmi Oke - Imesi and others in the 18th century war, when ILEIFE was invaded by Modakeke through Ibadan . Please explain the following:

1. Which of the Lusi royal home ?

2. Are you related through Maternal or Paternal?

3. If you are related to Olusi-Luusi descendants,why the usage of Obalufon's moniker?

4. How are you related to Obalufon's descendants ?


On a last note, my wife is from ILEIFE and some of chldren were born in ILEIFE.



Cheers.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:51am On Sep 12, 2018
Obalufon:


Are you from akoko"? i also have lineage in Akoko Olusi royal family but the lineage is lost ..i embrace my ile- ife lineage more ? ..I respect you Olu . my mind is flexible ready to learn. i want to learn from you even though i don't share your pacifist attitude towards the white devils laugh
I appreciate your gesture toward me. Then ,I have answered this question so many months ago, even to the extent of mentionig one of my ancestors who was known as Ajamaiye ,whose name is imprinted in the sands of time alongside Derin Ologbenla, Ojaja 1, so also Fabunmi Oke - Imesi and others in the 18th century war, when ILEIFE was sacked by Modakeke through Ibadan . Ajamaiye , Derin Ologbenla and Ojaja 1 specifically fought in the war front in ILEIFE to wade off the Ibadan warriors.

Please explain the following:

1. Which of the Lusi royal home ?

2. Are you related through Maternal or Paternal?

3. If you are related to Olusi-Luusi descendants,why the usage of Obalufon's moniker?

4. How are you related to Obalufon's descendants ?


*modified'*



Cheers.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:51am On Sep 12, 2018
smh.. undecided the post you are quoting was not for you oga.
i will repost all my previous posts to you ..but first let me address the so many errors here

Olu317:
macof that I know will always be macof grin grin grin. Let me quickly answer you through the following:

1. When I referred to oyinbo is Oyinbo, I was, simply referring to the general term for light skin from Yoruba concept of being. Despite this, many of my ancestral fathers was light skin. Infact,I know one among one of the Ooni's known as Agbedegbede Oyinbo grin grin. So you can see, light skin people have always being part of my fathers. My own late father was a very light skin and my son is a light skin. 2. Even Oranmiyan was termed to be light skin. Mr,, nationalities were what you mentioned ,so forget your different mentioned nationalities. 1. And you blundered because Geesi means spoken language of a group among the Oyinbos. Subdivision of group isnt a general term.

1. and English is a spoken language among a group of oyinbos...do you ever read what you post 'geesi' is 'english' ..simple


2. while this has no relevance to the topic, i just thought i should point this out, since my whole intention of responding to this post was to set misconceptions straight....oranmiyan had one side light, the other dark, at least according to ife traditions..i believe 0balufonlll will correct me if i am wrong. This is why the lokoloko paint themselves like this





2. Again you made a mistake on Gambari and Hausa because Gambari is different from Hausa, 1. from ancient Yoruba ,even during invasion of Ilorin. There is nowhere in Yoruba's history did yoruba ever reffered to Hausa as Gambari.The Gambari term was used interchangeably with some variant people of Fulani ancestry. Let me refresh your memory with one old yoruba proverb to this effect; 2. Gambari pàa Fúláni ..........sè bí okàn ní wón. So when you engage someone like me ,be well prepared grin.
what exactly is ancient yoruba? you keep saying ancient yoruba and historians haven't even defined what ancient yoruba is, but you say it so well...so explain this please.

you do realize Hausa-fulani is a thing? During this time Fulani had already created the Sokoto caliphate and spread it over Hausaland, so Fulani and Hausa formed one country... that is exactly what is expressed in the saying at no. 2.
if fulani is gambari then no. 2 makes no sense as that would mean...fulani kill fulani, are they not one? if yoruba already call fulani by 'fulani' why use 'gambari' in the same sentence to refer to the same fulani


You expose yourself to have only very basic knowledge of yoruba studies but like to gloat like you are some professor, unfortunately gloat on your misconceptions...so I just smh all through, there is nothing special to prepare oga, if this is where your knowledge begins and ends


3. Contrary to your imagination, I didn't claimed éníyàn as Hebrew's word for human being. If you see anything related to it,kindly post it.
i never said you did, the post you quoted was not directed to you..and nobody even said 'eniyan' is hebrew word for human being.. try to comprehend before you post



4. Dierk Lange's research is not a newly founded knowledge and not linked to linguistic connection of cognate word I have shared in anyway. Far from it. And once am done,you will view through payment for knowledge if you like or ready to criticise it.
then why mention Dierk Lange at all when you have your personal arsenal of knowledge greater than his?

please let us in on some of these words...
you will also have to show us the complete semantics even in form of etymologies to demonstrate how you arrived at the conclusion that two words from two different languages are actually cognates

Let me give you one tip, try making use of dialects...because if you only have standard yoruba at your disposal and you want to link yoruba language to any other language, you have failed before you even begin



5. Èdà àdàríwùrún isn't as old as ‘Èdà', itself.This word was a coinage by the Islamic Yoruba scholars and not Yoruba ancient elders. In ancient Yoruba concept of Ori, it clearly identify with it as Èdà,which is derived from the relationship between human and God. Èdà is a stand alone word. The same way óorún became óhún in the Islamic concept of the heaven-sky,and which the prefix olo-run and Olo-hun was added to it. Honestly I will like to learn,if you can quote it from IFA's corpus, where àdàriwùrún was mentioned.
Eda Adariwurun was coined by Islamic scholars? ok, do you have a reference for this?

obviously you talk without ever putting yoruba dialects in mind... like i said your knowledge of yoruba is at its most basic level, surprising how you are feeling like one professor
ohun is SWY, that is the pattern of some of the changes in the dialects...'r' becomes 'h'
in some SEY there is no 'r' at all...like in Ondo it is "Oun"




6. I have answered your question Sir, on the believed of migration of Yoruba from different places and the superiority complex of Yoruba's. The Yoruba group were dreaded by nearly all ethnicity, wherever they were met because they were warrior like, industrious and a very WEALTHY GROUP, which is contrary to your modern knowledge, as other groups see themselves as superior to Yorubas. Even the white explorers confirmed this when they came to West Africa. Let me quickly give you another instance, for example , if Yoruba and some people die in an accident in ancient Yoruba land,the yoruba says; èeyan kàn kù àtí..........(the name of the group or tribe ).This is how Yoruba usually say in the past. Well, if you are from such lineage that history is passed orally, you will understand and if not I don't expect you to understand it.

Even if modernity has changed everything, I don't shy away from the truth as told in the past.

eeyan kan ku ati igara meji? abi? grin grin grin grin so you mean to say only yoruba are human beings in this world?

is there any family that doesnt have its oral history
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 6:32am On Sep 12, 2018
macof:


smh.. undecided the post you are quoting was not for you oga.
i will repost all my previous posts to you ..but first let me address the so many errors here



1. and English is a spoken language among a group of oyinbos...do you ever read what you post 'geesi' is 'english' ..simple


2. while this has no relevance to the topic, i just thought i should point this out, since my whole intention of responding to this post was to set misconceptions straight....oranmiyan had one side light, the other dark, at least according to ife traditions..i believe 0balufonlll will correct me if i am wrong. This is why the lokoloko paint themselves like this





what exactly is ancient yoruba? you keep saying ancient yoruba and historians haven't even defined what ancient yoruba is, but you say it so well...so explain this please.

you do realize Hausa-fulani is a thing? During this time Fulani had already created the Sokoto caliphate and spread it over Hausaland, so Fulani and Hausa formed one country... that is exactly what is expressed in the saying at no. 2.
if fulani is gambari then no. 2 makes no sense as that would mean...fulani kill fulani, are they not one? if yoruba already call fulani by 'fulani' why use 'gambari' in the same sentence to refer to the same fulani


You expose yourself to have only very basic knowledge of yoruba studies but like to gloat like you are some professor, unfortunately gloat on your misconceptions...so I just smh all through, there is nothing special to prepare oga, if this is where your knowledge begins and ends

i never said you did, the post you quoted was not directed to you..and nobody even said 'eniyan' is hebrew word for human being.. try to comprehend before you post


then why mention Dierk Lange at all when you have your personal arsenal of knowledge greater than his?

please let us in on some of these words...
you will also have to show us the complete semantics even in form of etymologies to demonstrate how you arrived at the conclusion that two words from two different languages are actually cognates

Let me give you one tip, try making use of dialects...because if you only have standard yoruba at your disposal and you want to link yoruba language to any other language, you have failed before you even begin



Eda Adariwurun was coined by Islamic scholars? ok, do you have a reference for this?

obviously you talk without ever putting yoruba dialects in mind... like i said your knowledge of yoruba is at its most basic level, surprising how you are feeling like one professor
ohun is SWY, that is the pattern of some of the changes in the dialects...'r' becomes 'h'
in some SEY there is no 'r' at all...like in Ondo it is "Oun"





eeyan kan ku ati igara meji? abi? grin grin grin grin so you mean to say only yoruba are human beings in this world?

is there any family that doesnt have its oral history

Mr macof .. you have to prove you are eeyan/eniyan to be accepted by the yorubas.. Ose eeyan ose omo lu wa bi...
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 6:46am On Sep 12, 2018
Mr macof are you from congo brazzaville ? i like your name

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 7:05am On Sep 12, 2018
macof:
Its cool to have fun grin but not to the extent of partaking in ridiculing the yoruba nation. You know the ironic thing is that your moniker is Obalufon - a legendary Ife king... it is possible you are from Ife and yet so ignorant about the traditions within.

1. what are those things we have in common...what evidence has studies shown to the existence of this 'common things'
2. you do realize almost every culture has a story of a flood... and while nothing has been proven yet, there are theories as to what the Ife flood was all about

I did not tie yoruba to her neighbors, God did before yoruba ever existed...and it is our job to find the facts out
I perceive you hate the people around the yoruba, especially ibo grin grin ... just dont let emotion come in the way of common sense...you see facts, you say wont accept but its claims without any basis that are acceptable? well like i said, if there are really hebrew origins in yoruba, evidence must be found eventually...but as at now o, there is none
so no matter how you run away from it, your cousin is still your cousin whether you hate him or love him

Okay bunch of monkeys are my cousin. Ooo mr macof why now !! trying to attach us with bunch of cannibals.. .. are you anthropologist or geneticist ..sometime you act dumb to learn ... give me time frame when we split from our so call neighbors
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:44am On Sep 12, 2018
macof:


smh.. undecided the post you are quoting was not for you oga.
i will repost all my previous posts to you ..but first let me address the so many errors here



1. and English is a spoken language among a group of oyinbos...do you ever read what you post 'geesi' is 'english' ..simple


2. while this has no relevance to the topic, i just thought i should point this out, since my whole intention of responding to this post was to set misconceptions straight....oranmiyan had one side light, the other dark, at least according to ife traditions..i believe 0balufonlll will correct me if i am wrong. This is why the lokoloko paint themselves like this





what exactly is ancient yoruba? you keep saying ancient yoruba and historians haven't even defined what ancient yoruba is, but you say it so well...so explain this please.

you do realize Hausa-fulani is a thing? During this time Fulani had already created the Sokoto caliphate and spread it over Hausaland, so Fulani and Hausa formed one country... that is exactly what is expressed in the saying at no. 2.
if fulani is gambari then no. 2 makes no sense as that would mean...fulani kill fulani, are they not one? if yoruba already call fulani by 'fulani' why use 'gambari' in the same sentence to refer to the same fulani


You expose yourself to have only very basic knowledge of yoruba studies but like to gloat like you are some professor, unfortunately gloat on your misconceptions...so I just smh all through, there is nothing special to prepare oga, if this is where your knowledge begins and ends

i never said you did, the post you quoted was not directed to you..and nobody even said 'eniyan' is hebrew word for human being.. try to comprehend before you post


then why mention Dierk Lange at all when you have your personal arsenal of knowledge greater than his?

please let us in on some of these words...
you will also have to show us the complete semantics even in form of etymologies to demonstrate how you arrived at the conclusion that two words from two different languages are actually cognates

Let me give you one tip, try making use of dialects...because if you only have standard yoruba at your disposal and you want to link yoruba language to any other language, you have failed before you even begin



Eda Adariwurun was coined by Islamic scholars? ok, do you have a reference for this?

obviously you talk without ever putting yoruba dialects in mind... like i said your knowledge of yoruba is at its most basic level, surprising how you are feeling like one professor
ohun is SWY, that is the pattern of some of the changes in the dialects...'r' becomes 'h'
in some SEY there is no 'r' at all...like in Ondo it is "Oun"





eeyan kan ku ati igara meji? abi? grin grin grin grin so you mean to say only yoruba are human beings in this world?

is there any family that doesnt have its oral history
Well, I did not in anyway discarded Dierk Lange assertion, despite his inability to seal the connection between Yoruba's traces of Ancient Hebrewism,in the like manner,Bowen,Parrinder,Leo Fronebius,Burns,Mr Mollison, Miss, Kingsley, Dr.Westerman, Dr.Farrow,etc saw strange characteristics of a civilization that dated back to the ancient Meditterean - Hebrew lifestyle and Egypt's and can't fully seal it. Despite the heavy influence from their neighbouring communities, Yoruba still maintained IFA's knowledge with, ‘a do or die' approach that sustained this tradition to a large extent.

Secondly, your opinion that says, I am not vast in Yoruba language or history is just a way to cause a distraction from the point at hand because my knowledge on yoruba people is quite vast so,let go off the ,‘professor's tag out of it .

Thirdly, language semblance or having cognate is borne out two reason ,according to Einar Eugene, which are:

1. That the new speakers of a language or carrier of the language were as a products of migrants status of the speakers from their original abode to another location,in which the language could be stretched out of it original form.

2. That the new speakers were thought the language by the owner of language through being borrowed and therefore becomes a transferred language.

This is a powerful method to understudy, how language could be formed as a result of these two reason. And with this one of the two is as a result of Yoruba language variant dialect from their exact place of migration and not as a result of language divergence 4000 years ago. The 4000 years ago, was a period that Egypt's language was already being documented through hieroglyphs.

Do you know, the Egypt's hieroglyphs to call the name of snake is represented with the modern day, ‘J', letter?
I am sure you know that snake in Yoruba word is èjo'. The ,‘J', sound is tonal.

Do you also know snake in ancient Egypt's Pharaoh headwear was called ‘ U raeusGreek: Uraeus (/ jʊəˈriːəs/ plural Uraei or Uraeuses ; from the Greek: οὐραῖος, ouraîos , "on its tail"
Meaning: cobra
Egyptian : jʿr.t (iaret )
Meaning: which is stylized, upright form of an
Egyptian cobra snake was worshipped and I am sure you know Yoruba have a snake variant known as ‘Èrè' and being worshipped.

Furthermore, the ancient Hebrew fabric being woven and worn by the Hebrew had a particular name called Àdereth. I am sure you know Àdiré is also present in Yoruba clothing attire.

Are these also coincidence? If you doubt, verify.

On Oranmiyan as you had wanted to proof a point, is not even worth it because your opinion is everywhere as regard his complexion. Clearly for someone to have a patches of darkskin and light skin on his body, simply mean, he had a tanned skin....I expect you to know this as an historian-well a studied man. Have you for once heard of the complexion of Ooni -Olofin ? grin grin Kindly share.

3. Do I have to show reference until you believe adariwurun as being modern? Afterall, the Onifa-Adifa- will do justice to this,since you have knowledge of Yoruba cosmology . Eda is a stand alone word. The concept of Ori is enough to make you know this that Adariwurun is collapsed word,which was formed from ada-ri-wu-irun.So, knock this word off as it not ancient Furthermore, there are many Yoruba that has no English meaning, which proof there arent ancient Yoruba words.


4. Well, you got the drift, because not only Igarra was seen as such but ,so also all uncivilzed people from Yoruba perspecive that ancient Yorubas brought civilzation to them through interaction. Infact, many of these people were conscripted as slaves in Yoruba land and history is known.

On a last note,you have not answered any of my questions on the reason for the semblance of the screenshots.

Do you know Orunmila lived during one of the reign of one of the Pharaohs?





My humble regard to all seeker of truth.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:45am On Sep 12, 2018
macof:


smh.. undecided the post you are quoting was not for you oga.
i will repost all my previous posts to you ..but first let me address the so many errors here



1. and English is a spoken language among a group of oyinbos...do you ever read what you post 'geesi' is 'english' ..simple


2. while this has no relevance to the topic, i just thought i should point this out, since my whole intention of responding to this post was to set misconceptions straight....oranmiyan had one side light, the other dark, at least according to ife traditions..i believe 0balufonlll will correct me if i am wrong. This is why the lokoloko paint themselves like this





what exactly is ancient yoruba? you keep saying ancient yoruba and historians haven't even defined what ancient yoruba is, but you say it so well...so explain this please.

you do realize Hausa-fulani is a thing? During this time Fulani had already created the Sokoto caliphate and spread it over Hausaland, so Fulani and Hausa formed one country... that is exactly what is expressed in the saying at no. 2.
if fulani is gambari then no. 2 makes no sense as that would mean...fulani kill fulani, are they not one? if yoruba already call fulani by 'fulani' why use 'gambari' in the same sentence to refer to the same fulani


You expose yourself to have only very basic knowledge of yoruba studies but like to gloat like you are some professor, unfortunately gloat on your misconceptions...so I just smh all through, there is nothing special to prepare oga, if this is where your knowledge begins and ends

i never said you did, the post you quoted was not directed to you..and nobody even said 'eniyan' is hebrew word for human being.. try to comprehend before you post


then why mention Dierk Lange at all when you have your personal arsenal of knowledge greater than his?

please let us in on some of these words...
you will also have to show us the complete semantics even in form of etymologies to demonstrate how you arrived at the conclusion that two words from two different languages are actually cognates

Let me give you one tip, try making use of dialects...because if you only have standard yoruba at your disposal and you want to link yoruba language to any other language, you have failed before you even begin



Eda Adariwurun was coined by Islamic scholars? ok, do you have a reference for this?

obviously you talk without ever putting yoruba dialects in mind... like i said your knowledge of yoruba is at its most basic level, surprising how you are feeling like one professor
ohun is SWY, that is the pattern of some of the changes in the dialects...'r' becomes 'h'
in some SEY there is no 'r' at all...like in Ondo it is "Oun"





eeyan kan ku ati igara meji? abi? grin grin grin grin so you mean to say only yoruba are human beings in this world?

is there any family that doesnt have its oral history

Well, I did not in anyway discarded Dierk Lange assertion, despite his inability to seal the connection between Yoruba's traces of Ancient Hebrewism, in the like manner, Bowen, Parrinder, Leo Fronebius, Burns, Mr Mollison, Miss, Kingsley, Dr. Westerman, Dr. Farrow,etc saw strange characteristics of a civilization that dated back to the ancient Meditterean, Hebrew customs and Egypt's. Although there is heavy influence from
Yoruba's neighbouring communities, due conscription of other people's dieties but Yoruba still maintained IFA's knowledge with, ‘a do or die' approach that sustained this tradition to a large extent .

Even if your opinion that says, I am not vast in Yoruba language or history is just a way to cause a distraction from the point at hand because my knowledge on yoruba people is quite vast so,let go off the ,‘professor's tag out of it .

A linguist once affirmed, that language semblance or having cognate is borne out two reason, by Einar Eugene, which are:

1. That the new speakers of a language or carrier of the language were as a products of migrants status of the speakers from their original abode to another location,in which the language could be stretched out of it original form.

2. That the new speakers were thought the language by the owner of language through being borrowed and therefore becomes a transferred language.

From the above submission,it show that these method to understudy, how language could be formed are based as a result of these two reason. And one of the two reasons is as a result of Yoruba language and her variant dialects from their exact place of migration and not as a result of language divergence 4000 years ago from their neighborhood that can neither understand ,the saying of ,‘IFA' nor understand its historical foundation .The 4000 years ago, that our renowned professors claimed was a period that Egypt's language was already being documented through hieroglyphs.

Do you know, the Egypt's hieroglyphs inscribed to call the name of snake is represented with the modern day, ‘J', letter?
I am sure you know that snake in Yoruba word is èjo'. The ,‘J', sound is tonal.

Do you also know snake in ancient Egypt's Pharaoh headwear was called ‘EUraeus'? The snake was worshipped and I am sure you know Yoruba have a snake variant known as ‘Èrè' and being worshipped.

Furthermore, the ancient Hebrew fabric being woven and worn by the Hebrew had a particular name called Àdereth. I am sure you know Àdiré is also present in Yoruba clothing attire. Are these also coincidence? If you doubt, verify.

On Oranmiyan as you had wanted to proof a point, is not even worth it because your opinion is everywhere as regard his complexion. Clearly for someone to have a patches of darkskin and light skin on his body, simply mean, he had a tanned skin....I expect you to know this as an historian-well a studied man. Have you for once heard of the complexion of Ooni -Olofin ? grin grin Kindly share.

Again, do I have to show reference until you believe adariwurun is modern? grin Afterall, the Onifa-Adifa- with vast knowledge will do justice to this,since you have knowledge of Yoruba cosmology. Plainly, Yoruba words are coded inside the corpus of IFA.This is reason I know ‘Eda' is a stand alone word and strictly used by ancient Yorubas through generation to generation. The concept of Ori is enough to make you know this that Èlè'dà is stricly for Yorubas. And Adariwurun is a collapsed word, from ada-ri-wu-irun. So, knock this word off as it is not ancient as you might think. Paradventure, you dont know, let me affirm again that, there are many Yoruba wordlist that has no English meaning, which proof there are ancient Yoruba words .

Thank God, you got the drift, good for you because not only Igarra was seen as such but ,so also all people that seem uncivilzed people from the perspecive of the wealthy ancient Yorubas, who see their knd of civilization as second to none. And this was possible hrough interaction via farm workers conscription and intermarriages. Infact, many of these people were conscripted as slaves in Yoruba land and history has it.

On a last note,you, do you know Orunmila lived during one of the reign of one Pharaohs in Egypt? If you and other say,it is in Nigeria's ,then ,who was the father of the wisest prophet that the ancient Yorubas remembered as Orunmila?





My humble regard to all seekers of truth.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 10:24am On Sep 12, 2018
Macof

Bro, have you looked up the name dropped & if the person actually wrote what was summarised here.

Directly speaking have you looked to see if any linguist or anthropologist Einar Eugene existed or if it was Einar Haugen?

Have you also looked if Einar Haugen dealt with cognates or better still would you consider requesting the source of Mr Olu’s text here:


A linguist once affirmed, that language semblance or having cognate is borne out two reason, by Einar Eugene, which are:

1. That the new speakers of a language or carrier of the language were as a products of migrants status of the speakers from their original abode to another location,in which the language could be stretched out of it original form.

2. That the new speakers were thought the language by the owner of language through being borrowed and therefore becomes a transferred language.

Also, Messrs Macof & Olaochi, from my short readings on languages it appears the rule for cognates is that words being compared must be within the same language classification. And not outside of it.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:13pm On Sep 12, 2018
For some that want information,but dont provide any,should also ponder on the cognate between:

Hebrew: Adéreth
Meaning: Fabric


Yoruba: Àdíré
Meaning: Fabric



For those,who dont understand the first alphbet of ancient Hebrew's pronunciation should note that ,‘ aleph', is pronounced as ‘À', and not, ‘A', as in ‘a-id'.


Learning has begun for, ‘Doubting Thomases',
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 9:27pm On Sep 12, 2018
macof:


grin truth? ok truth should be able to come with answers ne? just declaring something truth doesnt make it true. I knew you would run away and hide from me. If you have the truth you should be bold enough to defend it with facts

your points are still waiting for you above to address




historians are a circus band? grin grin grin your total disrespect for people you ought to be looking up to as a history enthusiast is baffling
still havent gotten help with your partial psychosis?

At least i tell stories that are actual history, because i am an actual historian not some cooked up claims that cannot be defended





1. the only people making speculations here are you and the olu guy. that is why i have taken my time to ask you questions, giving you a chance to defend your claims, maybe you have obtained some evidence after all these years...so go back and address my points

2. earlier you said yoruba traditions are not your source, that the hebrew part of yoruba origin has faded out of yoruba traditions, so tell me now, after saying that what part of your ideas have bearing on yoruba traditions, and what do you know about yoruba traditions exactly? where have you been and what are your contacts in the traditional circle?

3. i sure wasnt chosen for madness


exactly! sometimes you see good things but you dont seem to follow your own advice...try to follow this very advice coming from you
stop making speculations in historical matters and passing it off as truth, because i will be there to scrutinize, you cannot come messing up my field



what are these evidence-based findings? there should be traditional, linguistic or even genetic... so far we have studied all 3 branches and no hebrew connection proven but maybe those outside the discipline see something historians dont.. in that case you need to answer many questions



LOLZ lipsrsealed
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 10:30pm On Sep 12, 2018
Olu317 these are all the questions you ignored
These questions are not random questions, they are necessarily response to your post...I asked each based on something you said and only want you to go further

:You can click on the 'macof' links below to go back to the original posts

macof:



1. Can you narrate to me the yoruba oral account of migration and what towns speak of these migrations?
2. iye = eym. you need to explain how 'Iye' evolved from 'eym'. ( a tip; you will need to provide some other examples that follow the same pattern of Iye = eym. p.s according to Hebrew dictionaries everywhere 'mother' is 'em(a)' 'im(a)' https://www.pealim.com/dict/2664-em/
3. so please also provide a dictionary that shows 'eym' is mother in hebrew



macof:


So if Yoruba knew of the hebrews and knew we were hebrews before christianity was introduced

4. what is the yoruba name for Hebrews? and what part of Yoruba traditions, in what specific towns is it implied that Yoruba are Hebrews? You said yoruba have oral accounts of migration? migration from where?

surely for you to know these remnant traditions that i and many others do not know, you must have your sources?
5. Kindly direct me to a link or at least a name, lets identify where you got the information from





I know you still have questions i asked above, but because you wont let us deal with points one step at a time i have to ask more questions
6. Who are the other groups the Yoruba met as they were migrating down to Nigeria? and what part of Yoruba accounts confirm those foreign accounts, it is after all the yoruba that is being talked about, surely the yoruba accounts must give legitimacy to what ever foreign accounts

7. I have never heard of Ibn Battuta mentioning Yoruba in his Rihla account, unless you are referring to the baseless claim that he mentioned Ife as 'Yufi', in which case is completely off. So in what context and to what purpose did Battuta mention Yoruba?
Because even Ahmed Baba is regarded as the first to mention yoruba in a written work

8. so what part of Ahmed Baba's mention of Yoruba is evidence of a Hebrew origin for Yorubas?

9. What names, people and towns outside yorubaland are the Yoruba linked to? asides maybe places in Igalaland with Ife-prefixes

10. what are these traces of non aboriginal narration in Ifa and who are these researchers?

11. So are you saying Yoruba oral accounts are not authentic?

12. what do you know about the ways of Yoruba ancestors? you are not even involved in isese so what ways do you think you know and how did you come about knowing them?

macof:


13. How does Yoruba greatness mean Hebrew origin

macof:



14. Eda means 'Humanity' and yoruba use the word only to refer to themselves? so Yoruba are the only humans on earth? did you think before you posted this?


15. How does yoruba feeling of cultural superiority oppose the common origin of yoruba with her neighbors? the Edo also have a feeling of cultural superiority, even higher than the Yorubas...feeling of cultural superiority is relative to how well organized and prosperous a people perceive themselves above their neighbors. Egyptians had a feeling of cultural superiority , Greeks had a feeling of cultural superiority, the british had a feeling of cultural superiority, the mongols had a feelings of cultural superiority, the Persians had a feeling of that same cultural superiority...all of them have a common origin with their neighbors, same neighbors they felt superior to
I'm pretty sure the Ibos had a feeling of cultural superiority too



16. all ancient civilizations are patterned after their connection to their God. taking world history through one perspective(in this case hebrew) will only lead you to misconceptions. So when you say things like only hebrews worshipped God, that is not history, that is just you exposing your religious beliefs

all this hebrew claims are just a scheme to spread more jewish/christian sentiments among yoruba folk, that is why only theologians and their christian followers claim this. Are you a pastor?

17. can we have a list of these cognates? (actually to use the term 'cognates' is wrong, i was just using your words. reason why is because 'cognates' is the term used to describe two words that have a common origin, blood relation if i may say. So I think what you are on to is rather 'borrowed words'. Because Yoruba language is not a blood relative to Hebrew... even if Yorubas came from Hebrews, Yoruba people must have adopted a new language, and borrowed hebrew words into the language.
but even at borrowed words from hebrew, you still follow the same method as cognates...find a pattern using other examples
if you can prove that yoruba language has some hebrew words that already shows Hebrew connection, then we can go further to investigating how and when these words could have entered Yoruba lexicon.



So here we are. This is how scholars do it, so don't be afraid, I'm sure you can defend your theories

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