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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 6:03am On Jun 25, 2020 |
MetaPhysical: I accentuate to this. You will not catch me on your (macof) thread whatever your claims are since it seems we don't get along very well from years of experience. Please create your own thread on Yoruba history. Take the lead instead of needing to bring down another person's. It's long overdue. Except you're still going through change |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 6:12am On Jun 25, 2020 |
MetaPhysical: I am so sorry for being very personal and vulgar and allowed my emotions to get the best of me. I've struggled to hold back, but the temptations kept coming. I've begged and spoke calmness to no avail. I will like to take your advice and step out after this decisive page. Thanks. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 7:45am On Jun 25, 2020 |
2prexios: Enikan la o fi ko... Here's Professor E.A. Afigbo referencing the same findings where professor Akintoye version of Yoruba origin stemmed from in "Igbo Language And Culture" My take is, how would things possibly turned out should he have loved to make a historical book independent of Akintoye version from the same linguistic findings? It's going to be a different embellishment. And that equally reminds us of the recent submission of the Attah of Igala on where to look to find connection for the lower guinea language family. Even the birth of Indo-European language hypothesis in the last few centuries was borne out of observation of correlations between the language of the Sanskrit as preserved in Veda, with Parsian/European languages. Now etching the Yoruba history on it's puppet hypothesis of "Niger Congo linguistic family" without reference to Ifa oracular dicta and what it has to say is like an excellent abandonment of the "Veda" in the core of the Indo-European language hypothesis. And who build an history on speculations from academics where notions don't have to last for centuries? Such is the world of the reactionary neo-elites the story was meant to serve.
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 12:52am On Jun 26, 2020 |
MetaPhysical:1. This is from your previous post and I interpret it to mean you want me to stop asking for evidence or making corrections why are you people so obsessed with something you can't defend and don't like being questioned like this MetaPhysical: 2. I always show what the facts are I am not spoiling any theory that isn't already spoilt or that was ever a theory to begin with.. .. my challenge is always open for anyone to point out where I go wrong. Whether I open a thread or not is of the most minimum significance because I can post anywhere. However when I am feeling it I would open a thread.. Don't worry about that The real interesting thing is this begging for me to leave you alone |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:33am On Jun 26, 2020 |
2prexios:I don't have problems with anyone on a thread I make or having a different opinion. Just come with facts, sources and/or evidence. Because if you don't you would just embarass yourself My question to you is.. Why are you now begging me to stop posting? I am giving you valuable facts and making very important corrections to where you blunder which you should be grateful for if you cared for Yoruba history it shouldn't hurt you or anger you if you want to boost your knowledge of yoruba history.. Certainly not for you to be so emotional and start issuing death wishes It's not about you is it? Could it be that you don't give a damn about the history, you just want to be allowed to say whatever without question and get paid by your sponsors? Because that is exactly what I suspect People would appreciate when you come with facts and sources or at least let your own theories be based on a methodology that can be replicated severally and give identical results rather than just imagination This is wrong and it is all I want you to understand, I am not here to fight you. two people who have the same intention but different opinions can always reach a consensus So I want you to search yourself and be honest with yourself.. take emotions, sponsorship and all that out for a moment.. What exactly is your intention? Why must the Yoruba have Hebrew heritage even though it seems there is no currently available evidence for it. What is the purpose of that? Even if you are being paid can't you say no? I have no personal problem with you. Never I discuss history all the time in my real life and doing same here is even more relaxing and fun with all kinds of characters that I don't meet everyday Concerning the death threats you are lucky I don't think you have the guts or means to harm me Good you don't know who I am and even if you did you cannot get me where I am even though you and olu317 have said you have tried to locate me.. Olu even thought he actually did and said I am one Mr. Makinde. because who knows what your unhealthy obsession could lead you to do. Just don't be stupid and end up in jail over a silly need to be what you are not. I can locate you easily thanks to all the information you give away about yourself in a bid to market yourself. I don't know the type of endorphins you get from thinking you are Hebrew that would lead you to react that way but I wasn't surprised 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by rhektor(m): 3:57pm On Jun 26, 2020 |
2prexios: Just one for myself |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 6:36am On Jun 27, 2020 |
rhektor: Alright bro, that should come as complementary copies then. I'll forward the booklets money control and Yoruba legend to you. Some of the other titles are out of print now. Sometimes later I will produce the Amazon copies. Still working on the others. My contact is on my absolutesuccess profile, I will forward the booklets to your address and you will pay the rider. Will that be okay? Thanks. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by rhektor(m): 7:08am On Jun 27, 2020 |
2prexios: Yes thank you very much |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 7:24am On Jun 29, 2020 |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 7:58am On Jun 29, 2020 |
Like I've said concerning compound interest on teaching what you learn, it's just the way nature repays every positive contributions to better inform others about facts lost to time. When you are right about a point, what you get is more leads to continue. I've the clue clearer now that more neutral and equally valid statement in Oduduwa ateworo is "Oduduwa, the reformer of the law". Ateworo a tun ewo ro. Has such notion tenable in Yoruba psyche? Of course. The Yoruba speaks of God as "Oba ataye ro bi agogo", thus, remolding is part and parcel of Yoruba worldview. Validation If we look critically at Ifa, it should be Ifa Olokun by name, pure and simple. But the contribution of Oduduwa made it to be called odu ifa. Oju Odu were events of her time. Oduduwa favoured 16 entries as main entries to be the perpetual headlines. These were àwôn omo oloja merindinlogun. Osetura: one who broke the Torah up. Oduduwa was osetura, she broke the Torah into pieces for easy assimilation. It's a later event after her career and service to her people. The Yoruba tradition is built on scientific inputs from great scholars and lawyer and courtiers like we have in Oduduwa |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 3:59pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
kayfra:Kindly Read A.B Ellis : Oduduwan Revolution. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 4:05pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
macof:Read Oduduwan Revolution by A.B Ellis for a start. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 4:48pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
macof: 1. Stop being ignorant If your understanding of English language does not conform with Semitic inscription. This doesn't mean the comparative analysis is not false. 2. I didn't take Muhammad Bello's account as the bais because Ahmed Baba wrote it first in 17th century and not just Muhammad Bello's account of 19th century. Lol 4. Ifaodu is the accurate word from the Semitic inscription which I have read and not Odu ifa. This doesn't mean Oduifa is not also used as a West Africa entry. In near East account, Ifa is prefix in this regard. But what does Ifa mean, since you have knowledge of it? b. Ifaodu is beyond history, herbology. So try to understudy through Ifaodu priest: Olifa or Alufa or Onifa . Ephod is not a garment but to cast lot. Raml : Arabic Urim: Hebrew Ramiela; orunmiela From the above the three have related root. c. What about the left dancing ? What about the bowing of one's two knees while the two hands are raised up in worship of Ela; as an initiate when you pray before your Ifaodu calabash ? d. Hebrews and Arab are related ,so don't doubt the link between the two. Interestingly, even the biblical written research work proved that some words were borrowed from Arabic words. Are you even aware that nearly all Yoruba daily words were drawn from Arabic roots ? It is true, that in West Africa we have Iha, Ifa, Afa, fa amongst the Igbo, Fon, Ewe, Edo in the same way fa is found in North Africa. So it is not new whence you teach people part of religion despite the fact that they are not Yoruba ethnically linked group. Unfortunately for you, non of these non of the people have boldly came up to showcase this religion jn western world as Yoruba's Ifaodu that's respected . Are you even aware that Western scholars claimed Ifaodu is learned or taught by Arabs to yoruba people ? |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:41pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
macof, David is not the accurate meaning of the man's name in the same way Hebrew is not accurate instead, Abari is (Eber, Aboram or Eboram ) what you people and western world misunderstood; English interpreters of Septuagint works,which is not accurate as well unless one consider the account of Arab who are closest to Hebrew. The newer study shows that Abari is accurate. This doesn't mean that the interpreters didn't do their best at it ,in the same manner Oral Yoruba account have some truth and some overstated or false information, on Obatala and Oduduwa or dawaodu. Mind you considering Ora mi yah as a name of a descendant of Oshimole ; one who came with the knowledge of ‘Iwa'. Do you know the story of Ebora in Yoruba's history ? Funnily the Arabic inscription attested to Dawud. David. The 'W' which is Waw didn't have any diacritics nor does any word found in the early era had diacritics. So,I stand by the two names that exist in Yoruba and Arab's account as cognate. Dawud or Dawudu or Dawaodu mean, unlce or head or leader in both Language. Either you believe it or not, the kingly lineage was destroyed in 509 BC when Yudah had no king due to captivity To prove further point, there is no word like Jehovah in the Bible, which is contrary to the wbat you have heard from people ,as a name of God. The word is: Yud+ Hey + Waw + Hey ,which is called ‘YHWH' Even at this, you can can't pronounce this word without considering the sacred identity of Ela, in both Yoruba and the Classic Hebrew. The amazing thing is that the meaning is unknown among the interpreters of classic Hebrew interpreters. In Yoruba's worldview Iwa is seen as the name character of Ela. Meanwhile.considering the alphabets that made up of the YHWH Yud; ee,I or y; Y is used in the beginning while I or ee are used in between or at the end Hey: H or ah; H ,used in the beginning and Ah as the last when added to word to make a meaning Waw: o,w,u ; Despite the above analysis by western interpreters, there are ‘minute' errors in the interpenetration of the alphabets, considering the word and some others. Clearly, if you understand the reverence to ‘Iwa', then you will appreciate the fact that Odu Iwa(Igba Iwa) is amazingly seen and venerated as Ela's personification, which is different from Arabic world view. This doesn't mean there is no connection or link between Arabic with Yoruba's, if you realised that knowledge of Islam simultaneously is in parallel with some form of Yoruba's sacrifice. Ram,sheep,as a sacrificial animal,even if some other culture in West Africa learned it through Ifaodu's knowledge as found in today's world in South and North America. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:54pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
absoluteSuccess:No such name as Ehana is linked to Dawud or David because I am not aware of it.. Meanwhile, in Near East culture, hunting, expedition,remain part of their culture in the same manner that animal husbandry is a major work being done. So, he wasn't the only one that was good at hunting. Although he was extra ordinary a brilliant, warrior, compassionate, humble, good judge, self willed, and a believer of supreme God. Root word : Dal+ Waw+ Dal (d,w,d) Dal: d Waw: w,o,u Dal: d Note: Sorry for the late reply because I had bot problem severally and becane pissed off. Cheers |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:58pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
gowonmaharajah:Thanks for the follow up. I doff my hat . |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 11:04pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Olu317: What?! Like how do you even come up with bullshit like this First of all there's no book titled "oduduwan revolution" by A. B. Ellis Secondly, Ellis has no knowledge of ancient or Coptic Egyptian language so it is very unlikely that he would be the source for that your Egyptian-Yoruba words list That list has been posted on different online platforms for years without any valid source or verification through a valid Egyptian dictionary Stop mentioning random authors that you don't even know. If you have no source admit it and save yourself further embarrassment That list remains nothing but a piece of shiit until you provide a dictionary or valid lexica with those words meaning what you claim they mean 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 11:10pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Olu317: macof: This was the point you were supposed to respond to with this your point 1?? Really? Does your response really make sense to you? If you can't address something, why not leave it unanswered instead of going off topic? Please make sure you are ok before trying to respond to my posts 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 6:51am On Jun 30, 2020 |
Olu317: Alright bro, Pardon my error, it should be elhanan. I missed the last letter. The information is a rare insight. I wish you read more on Jair (Yare) the Bethlehemite for clear picture of where I'm driving at. It's been a while sir. Irukere This paraphernalia is important to the Yoruba kings, let's say iye omo nii gbomo, irukere nii gbomo orunmila for instance. The horsetail is used as adornment in Turkish military. Could it be a coincidence with that of the Yoruba? What's the connection? The link however is, how does the horsetail got to the Yoruba in the first instance? We can consider this by comparing the closest words to Yoruba for the horse as the route through which the horse came to Yoruba. Yoruba ...Esin English ...horse Hebrew ...Esu Latin. ...Equus Greek ....Hippos French ....Cavali Arabic ...Hisanu In the above, the three words sharing similarities are the Yoruba, English and Hebrew. There had been a lost connection in the ancient history between the three languages. Esin-horse, Yoruba English Esin-horse: back in the days of the slave trade, a Yoruba man is exchanged for a stallion, which is a prize at the time. A horse from English language can settle down in Yoruba language as eshin if we got it first from England in trade exchange. The same is tenable with sile for shilling, karamasiki, charismatic, mundia, just to mention but few. Esin-Esu, Yoruba Hebrew Eshin-Esu this is to assume that the Yoruba had earlier knowledge of the horse. Note, the horse is not a fauna of Yoruba land. Then when they saw it again, they recognize it as what they used to know as eshin. But then Esu and eshin did not sound similar. Both words derived from the same source and since languages continue to change when they separates each word equally changes. Esin and Esu therefore derived from the same sound, much more closely related than horse. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 9:01pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
we need time machine .. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 9:04pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
please i don't want to be merge with no igbo or niger benue congo...Yoruba are different breed of people migrated to our present location |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 10:52pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
macof:You seem to be intellectually dehydrated because, I responded to your ignorance because, you claimed Dawaodu is not tenable but David. Unfortunately for your type,there is no ‘ v' in ‘WaW', except the one which was later created through interpretation of Septuagints that spread to Europe. I didn't go topic. So stop lying. Obviously you have no clue to the questions I asked you in my reply. Thus, I won't give you anymore audience unless you answer my questions as well. Afterwards, you seek knowledge that seem strange to you. Note: note my fault but yours |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:03pm On Jun 30, 2020 |
macof:Lol. I know you wont understand a simple leeway. Therefore, read Ancient Egyptians and Modern Yoruba : Phonetic Regualrby Théophile Obenga. 2. Ellis, A.B., The Yoruba speaking people of slave coast of West Africa, their religion customs, manners, laws ,language etc anthropological publishers Note: Unless you respond to my questions in the previous posts, I won't entertain your views anymore. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 12:53am On Jul 01, 2020 |
Olu317: Lmao this guy is a real clown When did I talk about David with you. Are you on drugs or something? I spoke of the "descent from heaven" being a part of yoruba tradition and you started talking about English and Semitic inscription, now David Come on get outta here if you don't have anything to say again as usual. It's not by force to pitch a reply, when you have no actual response. Bloody clowns embarrassing themselves |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:14am On Jul 01, 2020 |
Olu317: another poor attempt I am aware of Obenga 's ancient Egyptian - sub saharan Africa common origin hypothesis using certain words. He never restricted his words list to Yoruba alone. He mentions Egyptian connection to all of Africa not just Yoruba Rendering your claims of yoruba being of non-African origin essentially invalid if he is your source. you should tell me the real source of your claims Also you have posted his list before and I already pointed out problems with it : the yoruba part of his list gives wrong translations into english eg. bà is not germinate Bùsi is not bless Bọ́sé is not secretly Bùsà is not honor or respect And its Ọtí not Bọ́ti this is the word list from Obenga and it is clearly not the Egyptian-Yoruba wordslist i asked a source for. This is a different list www.nairaland.com/attachments/7782794_img20180915115237_jpeg3a3eefc25dab5ae83ebefeb30bbdad3f I asked you for the source of this Olu317: Neither Obenga nor Ellis are your source. Try again, the third time 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:14pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
macof:Lol So it suddenly slipped off your mind that the Dawaodu Ie mentioned which you claimed isnt David doesn't exist anymore in your head ? No wonder you seek knowledge yet you remain cunny. As far as I am concerned, you don't beyond this stage with unless you answer the questions I asked you when i replied to your gibberish. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:27pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
macof:‘ Ba' is not germinate? This only show how many lies you had posted in the past and this particular one. No wonder, people who are well studied or studying agree to the testament of linguistic connection between Yoruba and Egypt, in which you boldly claimed as False!Thoroughly, ‘Ba' is homonymous in nature in which I know more than eight ( meaning of it . Below is a screenshot of ‘Ba' which means ,‘to germinate'.
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 2:27pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Olu317: Mr. Man just stop embarrassing yourself. Its OK if you can't address something.. Leave it and move on |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 2:59pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Olu317: any Yoruba speaker knows something is off there it's unlikely that a single word of a single syllable with the same tone would have so many different translations. Meanings are based on tones in tonal languages of the Niger-Congo group of languages. Homonyms are for example Ògún, Ogún etc not Ògún and Ògún But let me move past this, after all I was the one who asked you to always use dictionary since I caught that you often say words and meanings that don't match let's then agree that ok probably bà means to germinate What about Busa, Boti, Bose, busi? Why did you not show us dictionary translation for these? Also my question to you was actually to provide your source for the 53 Egyptian-Yoruba words you put there. I already embarrassed you on using Obenga to justify your claim that yoruba are not of African origin, which is the opposite of what Obenga was saying Obenga was trying to illustrate that Egypt is a true African civilization by connecting it to other true African groups |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 3:16pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
2prexios:No problem my oga. But kindly make the questions easy for me in such a way that I can answer you without leaving any one unknowingly. Thus, Jair in my research work has cognate with jire in one of the generated cognates Although, there are over twenty(20) generated words. 2. I have not done much on Irukere for now. So, my concentration is on linguistic,ideograms,pictographs etc in the connection. 3. Eshin has about two or more different names from my research work.I have not come to the knowledge of ‘Esu as Hebrew word for horse.' This is a pointer to the fact,that the Classic Hebrew interpreters are not perfect in the accurate name and transliteration and interpretation, which I mentioned that ‘Jehovah' didn't exist in Hebrew lexicon which English language interpreted around 17th century,until further studies begun to reconstruct the near the accurate . Meanwhile, name chosen are, sus, susa(h) and horesh. Note. Send me your e-mail so that I can give you a weblink to read through and do research on if need be. Cheers |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 2prexios: 3:24pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Olu317: You either le or ba vegetables. It's a way to grow tomatoes. First, you ba, that is you put it on a bed like ridge and put atibaba on it. This phase allow the plant to germinate. Later, you transfer the tomatoes cotyledons to their permanent position to grow. You do this while it rains most of the time. This is le. Ba is as you have it in Oba. As a farmer, the atibaba is to shield the fragile cotyledons from the harsh rays of the ultraviolet. Vegetables need humidity to grow. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 3:39pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
macof:lol. I have answered you,so bury your head in humility! Your pride has taking away your ability to maneuver through understudy beyond written works which all authors believe that once a better version of information exist through hieroglyphs, pictographs, ideograms,philology, which you take with levity, in which one need to consider critical analysis of Yoruba's ethnography. How can you embarrass me when those cognates exist ? In ‘Kings and Crown' there is word as an Egyptian's Pharaoh's word known as liad,which means ‘chamber', place where Pharaoh discuss with his council. Guess what ? Iledi comes to mind! Honestly, my take on your personality is that your pride is grandeur and pride comes before fall. Well on provision of the cognates comparison,will only make you feel bitter. But you can read the description between Yoruba and Egyptians Coptic connection in Olumide Lucas and Cannon 's work.So, also Olomu and eyebira on Egyptian connection. Perhaps, once you humble yourself, I shall consider it. Cheers |
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