CSTR1003:
lol

The guy above is yapping about the relativity theory.

What does a doctor know about relativity? More like bad -belle tivity.

I am not in the health sector o, before they pounce on me.

And ur talking.
And ur talking!
It's not funny o.
U spend 7 to 13 years in medical school learning about the human body ....later one person who can't even manage a diabetic wants to be ur boss!

maestroferddi:
You guys are sick!

You have the impudence/effrontery to boast with your twisted escapades?

So nurses and other health professionals should wallow in underpayment because you were feeding on nursing students?

Where is Buhari when he is needed?...

oga, I am on your side na.

I only gave a side remark.

shullamite:
At least its clear where the problem in the health sector is coming from now. The doctors don't want other staff to enjoy a little increament of salary even after government has increased their slararies more than Three times in in four years. This is just a case of wickedness and man's inhumanity to man. The doctors are not the employer of labour but they are telling government what to do. It's a case of eating alone and wanting other people to die of hunger even though there is excess food to serve everybody. Let the world see how wicked the doctors are in Nigeria.

Let me tell you the truth early this year the government of Canada increased doctors salary but the doctors refused the increament and told the government to use the money to pay other health workers and improve the facilities in the hospitals for patients to enjoy. But in Nigeria the case is opposite.

how much are Nigerian Doctors being paid to start with

CSTR1003:

A whole pharmacist is a mere support staff?

Pharmacy used to be a prestigious course. Has that changed?

Pharmacist Na mere jare. No matter wetin u study in the health world, if it's not medicine, others are just wannabe. Imagine someone running shift and fighting for call duty. The government acceding to such ridiculous demand triggered this vicious circle. The positive feed back would be a disaster looming.

MrBigiman:


Nothing like equity. Doctors lay down their youth and all to practice for humanity. A thoroughly bleeped lab gal who cohabited through out her nondemanding 5years wants to be on the same scale as him. Mention a single sane country where doctors are one the same scale as pharmacist, nurses and lab Scientist. You have ur internet, use it. If u show me any advanced country with that model, then I will immediately switch sides. If not, shame on u and all Johesu members.

Check salaries of nurses, pharmacist, physiotherapist, lab scientist in US and Canada. Yes an attending (consultant) and medical officer earns more but NEVER an intern or resident doctor. They all earn more than interns and regs. Use your internet and stop spreading falsehood.

positivethought:
pls don't say the door is wide open for anyone who wishes to study medicine,you know that if not for financial constraints n the Nigerian factor many would have been doctors today n some of you feeling cocky as doctors today wouldn't be, agreed doctors should be paid higher but let doctors stop the idea of wanting to head every single branch of the health sector now that there are qualified personnel in those fields simple.

Lol u saying a pharmacist(even with a doctorate degree) should be allowed to head a hospital?

This is why the Nigerian health sector is bad. Johesu never asked to be placed on the same salary scale as the doctors they are only asking for increment and allowances they are overdue for.

I have a family member in the UK who is a nurse. There Nurse to Doctors salary ration is just like ratio 7 - 10 Here it is 40 - 10. Most nurses don't even collect up to 40% of what doctors collect. No allowances, nothing. At least 70% is OK. When you are on the same level and year of service.

so much hate and insults on this thread.
could it be due to no April salary from the "No work No pay" that was implemented recently.

Strange soup with rice, cashew, beans, egusi, tomatoes, crayfish, usu, ukpo, ede, ogbono, okro, tapioka, nchuanwu n other gwogwotigwo in one pot = johesu

TINO26:
Johesu has never asked to be paid same thing with the doctors, all they are asking is an increase to their pay!, I still can't understand why NMA is threatened with these demands,...allow others to grow there profession, and stop punishing the indigent patients!,...Are you guys the only professionals in this country?

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U should understand what NMA is saying , it is so simple too . They got no time asking government for increments again having increased other health workers salary
Relativity is the answer : when their salary is increased, doctors salary will automatically increased by a fixed proportion. Is that not simple enough even for a down syndromic person to comprehend?

chieyine:

Thank U


The door is open for anyone who wishes to be a doctor

So every health worker must be a doctor to benefit & enjoy wat is or should be due to them? More like saying every human should be a man or woman. Me think you think God was foolish or nt in His right mind to create male & female. Your dad should hav married anoda man to giv birth to you or ur mom marry anoda woman to giv birth to you.

See! Gerara here men!

norahs:


Check salaries of nurses, pharmacist, physiotherapist, lab scientist in US and Canada. Yes an attending (consultant) and medical officer earns more but NEVER an intern or resident doctor. They all earn more than interns and regs. Use your internet and stop spreading falsehood.

Don't mention me again, and get behind me u Johesu!

Jman06:
Some of you just display your stupidity online and are so shameless about it. Do you know what it takes to graduate from pharmacy school or nursing school?? You think you are the only one that studies or writes exams?? Some of you would not survive the stress of studying all those courses!

And for your information, most people did not choose other healthcare courses because they couldn't gain admission into medicine but because those courses are what they love.

What sort of 3rd world reasoning is this

That is what their older colleagues (lecturers) tell them na...and they believe it ignorantly..

I expect them as people who are knowledgeable to at least do a Google search of the Jamb statistics to see how many people are applying for these courses directly.
Take UI for instance, in 2017 the following number applied for these courses.
Pharmacy 2,898
Nursing/Nursing Sceince 4,326
Medical Laboratory Science 1,537

And UNIBEN
Nursing/Nursing Sceince 5,200
Pharmacy 3,472

And these schools may only take about 100-150 students or less

So the number of people directly applying for nursing, Pharmacy or med lab is much and they have to take a few of them so this even leaves fewer chances for anyone who applied for medicine in the first place and wants to cross over because he did not make the cut-off.

blowjohn:



And ur talking.
And ur talking!
It's not funny o.
U spend 7 to 13 years in medical school learning about the human body ....later one person who can't even manage a diabetic wants to be ur boss!

Then what is the solution. ?

Because it seems all the stakeholders are prepared to never let go .

Like someone asked, surely there has to be a middle ground.

If Nigeria was very rich, the govt could just increase the salaries of both aggrieved parties to a level where the huge inevitable difference would no longer matter since both parties would be well paid.

CSTR1003:

A whole pharmacist is a mere support staff?

Pharmacy used to be a prestigious course. Has that changed?

They dispense drugs prescribed by a doctor. Is this a big deal?

MrBigiman:


A second year doctors in UK earns an average of 45,pounds per hour, a second year pharmacist earns 24 pounds per hour on the average. Stop being dumb and face reality. The pharmacist, Lab attendant, called scientist and the nurse are not in the same league with Doctors.

It's obvious that you are just being mischievous and I won't like to join issues with some one who either outrightly is a liar or like public deception. What does a resident doctor earn in UK? We are not talking of consultants, medical officers or GP. My previous post has clarified it.

AlphaT1:

As a seasoned public servant, my heart bleeds whenever I read what you young ones with no experience come to social media to post. I am not a member of JOHESU but look at this objectively, a fresh medical officer enters the public service at grade level (GL)12 while pharmacist and lab sci enter on GL 10, nurse on GL 8....how can these salaries be the same? doctor's call duty allowance is 4% of his basic salary while pharmacist's call duty is 2% of his basic salary...now how can 4% of GL 12 be same with 2% of GL 10? Nurses collect shift duty allowance, how can a meagre shift duty allowance of GL 8 be the same with 4% of GL 12?
A medical officer who enters on GL 12 as resident and becomes a fellow after 4 or 6yrs is upgraded to GL 15 ..it takes a pharmacist minimum of 12 yrs to get to GL 15 and nurse minimum of 18 yrs to get to GL 15. NMA is really not helping the Nigerian health sector.

Thank you sir. However, some lazy Nigerian youths will never understand this and it is painful. The ethos of a multidisciplinary healthcare system around the world revolves around a professional identity, inter-disciplinary collaborations, establishing clarity of professional roles and boundaries, equity in distribution of resources and the list go on. What JOHESU is fighting for is NOT an equality but an equity, that is giving every health workers what they need to become successful. I doubt if Nigerian physicians understood the difference between equality and equity?

frankpro27:


That's the problem. U guys always think dat j knw it all Nd others ar dumb. Aside surgery, a hospital will run perfectly well without a doctor. Take that to the bank.

Lol. A hospital can never run without a doctor. I think you don't even know why the hospital is built in the first place.

When you don't know jack about healthcare keep quiet.
You said pharm D is the same thing as a medical doctor who doesnt perform surgeries. I said you don't know jack. You are still ignorant in this present day and age.

Knowing a drug doesn't make you a medical doctor.
And yes the doctor knows it all.
A pharm D doesn't know how to make diagnosis and treatment plan
A lab scientist doesn't know how to make a diagnosis and treatment plan
A nurse doesn't know how to make diagnosis and treatment plan.

Do you know you don't have any business with a pharm D if you have no prescription by a doctor?
Or you think because they put doctor behind pharmacist it means they are now medical doctors.

This letter is so full of EGO and void of objective argument. The doctors are just blatantly proud for nothing. Most of them know nothing when put side by side with the Nurses. What the hell is their problem, is the increment coming from their pay? Is the placement of best personnel in certain office not room for them to show their qualities....what's wrong with this country sef?

Majority of Nigerian doctors are remarkably insecure. They think being a doctor reflects who they are as against what they do.

And they make up for every personal shortcomings in their lives with the perks doctors get. So seeing others in the health sector enjoy nearly same benefits as they do, leaves them with nothing to be proud of or show off with.

It was never the love for medicine in treating people or solving health issues that pushed majority of these misfits into the profession. It was just to be seen and called doctor.

From the post above me, I could see clearly from the break down of the entire hospital procedures that the doctor only gives instruction,but the real work is done by other proffesionals in their respective specialty. I see no other way to interpret the sacrosanct relativity in salary request by doctors if not for a clear motive of ego and greed. I still maintain that everyone is a professional in his/her field. Let's learn to appreciate each other.

Nempi:
Good one from NMA. One day, a court clerk will demand to be made CJN.
If they're serious, let them disintegrate into their various professional bodies and go on strike individually and let's see if anyone will talk to them.
Let the pharmacists go on strike and see if they'll be remembered even after five years of striking.
They think that by recruiting gatemen, cleaners, receptionist and every Tom, Dick and Harry into their fold they'll automatically become doctors.
There are two categories of staff in a hospital... The doctors and the support staff. Simple.

Bunch of lazy inferiority complex stricken retards.

Anyone who quotes me to talk nonsense will die of Ebola.

Lol, �,u mean man

MrBigiman:


It sounds stupid. I can't also imagine the number of nurses that were slayed in my hostel back then. That is more stupid. Johesu my foot!

your arrogance knows no bound..just know that real doctors don't brag about status,they save lives without forgetting scissors and swab in a patient..you are obviously one of the bad ones since you have established how you were busy slaying or bleeping nursing students instead of studying to show your self approved...for the records l know quite a large chunk of doctors that bribed their way through school...rubbish...rubbish...rubbish...NMA my toe

AbuadStudent:


I just browsed this bro. A medical intern EARNS HIGHER than a nurse. You can confirm for yourself.

There is no confirmation. If you live in Canada you will understand. The internet is there too. So no need of arguing with you what is obtainable here. Check your facts!!!

But NMA in number 8 in the article pleads with the federal government to honour their agreement with johesu. Increase their salary and pay their arrears. So what are we still arguing here? I think Johesu and its members on nairaland should chill. I expect a press release from them soon quoting NMA so the FG and ministry of health sees no more reason but to bring this strike to an end. No victor, no vanquished. The patient wins at the end of the day.

ubergold:
This is very similar to what is going on in higher institutions. Non academic staffs feel they should have equal pay and benefits forgetting that both of them get their qualifications through different level of work. I find it funny that NMA had to release this memo for the employer (Govt) to be aware. Their request for relativity is common sense. A doctor goes through many rigors to be able to practice, just like a lecturer has to Keep upgrading himself and publish papers in order to keep his job so they can't be on the same level with other medical personnel

You're really spewing foolishness here. So other health workers; MedLab scientist, Nurses, Pharmacist, Physiotherapist & Radiologist, dnt do or go for upgrading in dia chosen career/profession? You're really reasoning with ur SMELLING UNWASHED ANUS.

See! Gerara here men! Foolish comment.

CSTR1003:

oga, I am on your side na.

I only gave a side remark.

Which kain yeye side remark?

You joined him to gloat over taking advantage of emotionally weak women.

How will you feel if someone chooses to objectify one of your female relatives?

You people should learn to respect women....

norahs:


Check salaries of nurses, pharmacist, physiotherapist, lab scientist in US and Canada. Yes an attending (consultant) and medical officer earns more but NEVER an intern or resident doctor. They all earn more than interns and regs. Use your internet and stop spreading falsehood.

Lies lies lies

MrBigiman:


It's already that way dude. Moreover a nurse cannot be specialist in Oncology, she makes no single decision the specialist does. Even if she has spent 20years, a Senior registrar who has spent 3 yrs in oncology should earn more. A Doctor trumps every other person in the hospital, the hospital was built for him and patients troop in to see him. All other thrashy workers should do his bidding or resign. If they want to be doctors they should have passed Jamb. 90% of Lab scientist filled in Medicine at one time or the other for God sake, so also 98% of male BSC Nurses, the non graduate nurses went to nursing school because they were too dumb to pass Jamb, today they want to be on the same salary scale as Doctor. Pure stupidity!

The same nurses will protest when you pay a BSc nurse d same amount with a school of nursing graduate.
But they want to be paid d same thing with doctors.
Cleaners and attendants who have spent 20yrs on d job earn far lass than a fresh nursing graduate,yet they want to earn d same thing with doctors.
I just pity d uninformed Nigerians who are victims of these ppl's inferiority complex.

Reading a lot of comments here about nurses not being able to work independently without the doctor makes me wonder if a nurse practitioner program exists in Nigeria.

MrBigiman:



And u can never be a medical doctor. Makes us word apart. And owing to my going thru medical school, I am sound, very sound academically. Peace!

Lol... U may be sound academically... U may have read nd re read nd memorized the entire pages of Guytons... But that doesn't mean you have sense. Yes u passed through medical school, yes you can read to pass... But do you have common sense? Ask yourself this question

maestroferddi:
Which kain yeye side remark?

You joined him to gloat over taking advantage of emotionally weak women.

How will you feel if someone chooses to objectify one of your female relatives?

You people should learn to respect women....

Emotionally weak ke?

Student nurses are anything but emotionally weak.

Dem tear eye pass us then o.

From the post above me, I could see clearly from the break down of the entire hospital procedures that the doctor only gives instruction,but the real work is done by other proffesionals in their respective specialty. I see no other way to interpret the sacrosanct relativity in salary request by doctors if not for a clear motive of ego and greed. I still maintain that everyone is a professional in his/her field. Let's learn to appreciate each other. I wonder what the motives of these health workers is this day