bornolowu:
the fault with this is that a laboratory scientist cannot make a diagnosis (trust me there are serious conditions that require the expertise of a doctor to diagnose ) a lab scientist is not trained enough to make diagnosis ...same for a radiographer etc.. for example optometrist own stores everywhere where they claim to treat eye conditions, but unfortunately, they can only cut you glass for refractive errors . They direct the patient tto go meet the ophthalmologist . There is no need duplicating profession. As it is everwhere in the world, if you want to make diagnosis, lead a department o hospital, go to the university, study medicine and surgery as same goes everywhere in the world, nigeria will not be different.

optm:
you are ignorant as to who an optometrist is and what an optometrist does. the problem with most nigerian med drs is ignorance. i am an optometrist and i don't work in stores but in a clinic. i attend to a pt seeking eye care services from start to finish. as in the tradition of d med drs, u guys hv fought so hard to suppress optometrist in govt hospitals and hv most relegated to just refraction, refuse to hv optometry interns in govt hospitals wit the hlp of ur colleagues dt re CMD's, therez no career growth for those in govt practice cos dey ve been forced to b under ophthalmology department whereas optometry is an independent profession. guy use google and educate urself on who an optometrist is and wht dey are trained to do. there are also specialist areas in optometry and we hv consultant optometrist as well as u hv consultant meds

kowalsky:



Chill. And get this straight.

Doctors can perform in every ramification all the functions of a NIGERIAN nurse or MLS

Doctors are alphas in the hospital. Globally.

JOHESU strike is not just centered on pay increase. It's actually geared towards levelling the disparity in authority and power between doctors and JOHESU members.

It's not possible for doctors to tolerate this fuckery. They're not mates. Understand that fact. They're not mates. Doctors, Nurses and med lab technicians. Only pharmacists can ascend that position of power fighting with doctors.

eleojo23:


Oh my God!
Consultant is an English word for Christ's sake!

jaychubi:
Doctors are d bosses in health care and can never earn same with other yey.e health care workers.
Ranking in health care

Doctors
Doctors
Doctors
MLS
Nurses
Pharmacist
Others


Pharmacist are Soo useless in Nigeria dt most of they are patent medicine dealers, who needs them when an elementary 6 graduate in my street can dispense drugs lol

MLS is so so important infact most time after seeing them u may not need to see a doctor esp here in Nigeria, infact most ppl call them doctor.

bornolowu:
na yoruba word before? abi doctor na hausa word!

emmanuelex1:
Doctors are the most educated illiterates who does not know almost every profession has consultant. eg business consultant.

bornolowu:
there are many consultants my dear even politics, music, environment. Just like the word doctor is used freely, if you go to the university, you will hear lecturers bearing the name doctor in all fields.they are borrowed words.

hydeka:


Such bold display of ignorance!
It's obvious that you live in a rural area where there are only patent medicine shops and no standard community pharmacies.
You have no idea what happens in a community pharmacy. Go and educate yourself please

jaychubi:


I live in a big Nigerian city d highest a pharmacist does is to own a pharmacy shop n wait for doctor s prescription to dispense drugs to you which same with what a patent medicine dealer does

In Nigeria pharmacist are almost useless, we import most of our drugs so forget d part where u claim u manufacture drugs bc less than 10% does dt.

MLS n nurses are far ahead of useless pharmacists in Nigeria

bornolowu:
are you telling me you do surgery for retinal detachment, do u do glaucoma surgery, enviseration, or vitrorenal surgeries?? Please educate me.

adorable29:
Why are you DOCTORS LYING through your teeth. THIS IS JUST EVIL. Haba!


NO ONE asked for EQUAL PAY between doctors and Johesu. How is that even possible? You people are really evil to promote this propaganda that the reason for the strike is equal pay with doctors. THERE IS NOTHING OF THAT SORT.


Johesu is asking for a rise in pay and not equal pay. They say that the newly recruited doctors who earn over 300% higher than a graduate have been given a rise 3 times out of 4 years so they don't understand why the NMA is crying foul because they asks for just a small increase to their own salaries. That is the only time they even mention the NMA since NMA will not stop sabotaging their progress.


Why can't the NMA just LEAVE JOHESU ALONE.


Why should they rise up against Johesu anytime they demand for ANYTHING. Johesu doesn't bother them when they go on strike every other few months but when JOHESU just coughs, the doctors start running down with so much venom in thier hearts, pounding their chest asking why JOHESU dared to cough afterall they are all dumb people who could not pass jamb and read Medicine.
So because they didn't read Medicine, they must be punished for the rest of their lives? How does JOHESU's demand remove an hair from your skin. Why do you lots keep bullying them?


I have never seen such egocentric, proud, wicked and outright evil lots as this present NMA leadership. So you want the others to perpetually be in poverty cos you want them to be at your feet. Why is the Blackman like this?

Tufiakwa!

hydeka:


So you've never heard of OTC medications?
You've not seen people walk into a pharmacy to make a complaint to the pharmacist? A good number of people who visit hospitals went to the Pharmacy first.

jaychubi:


Pls not common in Nigeria, I am talking about Nigerian not Google or text book information. Yes pharmacist are great on paper but sorry they are practically useless in Nigeria

hydeka:


Not common in Nigeria?
That is why I am saying you need more exposure.

mykelly:
Eyah! And is someone that gave birth to you, you are a waste product.

Elueme:

I wish u could digest the NMA position before posting this crap..
NMA is not against pay rise for anybody but ask that relativity be sacrosanct according to international best practice.. A doctor with several academic battering and fellowship struggle cannot be on same salary scale with a nurse or pharmacist.. forget the age and all, the quality of service isn't same irrespective of how old one has been in service. We must learn to respect professionalism in this country.
Johesu was formed to hang up against the doctors in the health sector because they feel with their strength they can arm twist the government.. Some of it's demands ate briddled with ego, jealousy and desire to reap where one didn't sow. The door is wide open for any who wishes to study medicine. No following short cut, go back to school and be accorded same status.

The way I see it NMA is jealous and they are the ones with problems

As long as NMA is paid their agreed salary then there shouldn't be any problem!

Afterall they are not the ones paying the salaries

They should face their work jare! And if they don't like it, they can resign and do private practise!

I never never heard where employee dictates to the employer

Is NMA saying JOHESU and others cannot negotiate their salary

jaychubi:



Actually u need better exposure on d Nigerian situation, I kw u are a student reading pharmacy n building castles in the air based on Google info pls stop wasting ur time n go n pick up another JAMB n go for more decent medical courses.

Amarabae:
Hahahahahahaha.
Am I surprised?NO.
My time in Nigeria is rounding up, time to move out,
Just let my baby clock 1.
Any co graduate nurse should save up money and leave this pit toilet of a country.
You will know your real value outside.
Let the malaria and typhoid specialists continue to deceive themselves in the name of NMA.
The real doctors are outside the country,
Local champions
.

TINO26:
Johesu has never asked to be paid same thing with the doctors, all they are asking is an increase to their pay!, I still can't understand why NMA is threatened with these demands,...allow others to grow there profession, and stop punishing the indigent patients!,...Are you guys the only professionals in this country?

transformed:
If Doctors, Nurses, and Med lab scientists are paid the same and with same prestige can someone sincerely tell me what will happen to the number of doctors Nigeria will produce yearly? Well in my opinion... My answers (1) The way people are now choosing to study nursing over physics, 80% of potential doctors will rather study nursing or medical lab tech (2) People will only study medicine for easy migration to greener pastures (3) 80% of present doctors below the age of 55 will migrate to other countries where pay is the ultimate, and most consultant will rather work for multinationals instead of teaching hospitals... Before you transfer your aggression or pour your venom on doctors think of possible eventualities

hydeka:


No be small local champions o

These guys don't know that we cover their Bleep ups in front of patients when they write all those nonsense prescriptions...and most of them just copy the consultant. If you leave them alone to work, na wahala be that.

I really respect the few who are honest enough to ask for assistance from other professionals. Those are the real doctors.

optm:
u do u do those surgical procedures u listed? do u do heart surgeries aswell? but u a med dr? why cant u ? this is a pointer that health care requires inputs frm different specialist/ specialty nd nt a one man show. not every pt dt comes fr eye care services require surgery or wld be needing the services of an ophthalmologist. i carry out an eye exam on pts, mk a diagnosis, treat or refer those dt wld b needing the services of an opthalmologist to dem just as u mk referrals to ur colleagues specialized in an area ur aint specialized in. so u c dt health care isnt a one man show but requires alot

Elueme:

I wish u could digest the NMA position before posting this crap..
NMA is not against pay rise for anybody but ask that relativity be sacrosanct according to international best practice.. A doctor with several academic battering and fellowship struggle cannot be on same salary scale with a nurse or pharmacist.. forget the age and all, the quality of service isn't same irrespective of how old one has been in service. We must learn to respect professionalism in this country.
Johesu was formed to hang up against the doctors in the health sector because they feel with their strength they can arm twist the government.. Some of it's demands ate briddled with ego, jealousy and desire to reap where one didn't sow. The door is wide open for any who wishes to study medicine. No following short cut, go back to school and be accorded same status.

optm:
u do u do those surgical procedures u listed? do u do heart surgeries aswell? but u a med dr? why cant u ? this is a pointer that health care requires inputs frm different specialist/ specialty nd nt a one man show. not every pt dt comes fr eye care services require surgery or wld be needing the services of an ophthalmologist. i carry out an eye exam on pts, mk a diagnosis, treat or refer those dt wld b needing the services of an opthalmologist to dem just as u mk referrals to ur colleagues specialized in an area ur aint specialized in. so u c dt health care isnt a one man show but requires alot

hydeka:


Smh..

dechriscool:
The gang up against doctors is not only by allied health workers but also by some Nigerians. I did a post about how JOHESU members beat up Doctors at NAUTH just to registered their graviances against doctors in course o f this their strike .That post didn't see the day light.

However,the disparity in salary structure between doctors and JOHESU members can't be overemphasized.Read the statement of facts below to guard on the activities in the hospital

THE PATIENT COMES TO THE HOSPITAL TO SEE THE DOCTOR.

There are three group of people in the Hospital worldwide;

1. Doctor
2. Patients
3. Hospital support staff.

-A patient comes to a medical emergency unit rushed by his relatives.
-The DOCTOR sends for his file/folder to be retrieved by the MEDICAL RECORDS STAFF.
-The DOCTOR takes history from PATIENT and examines the PATIENT.
-The DOCTOR makes a diagnosis (or set of diagnosis-differential diagnosis).
-The DOCTOR asks the PHARMACIST to supply the drugs for the particular disease.
-The DOCTOR asks the NURSE to administer the drugs.
-The DOCTOR asks the PATIENT to go to Radiology department to do an X-RAY/CT-SCAN.
-The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) asks the RADIOGRAPHER to do the X-ray. The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) interprets the X-ray and writes a report to be taken to the DOCTOR in the Emergency.
-The DOCTOR in the Emergency unit uses the X-ray report to further treat the patient.
-The DOCTOR sends the PATIENT to the laboratory to do some tests.
-The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) asks the LABORATORY SCIENTIST or LABORATORY TECHNICIAN to do the test or do the test himself if necessary.
The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) interprets the report and sends the patient back to the doctor in the emergency.
-The DOCTOR evaluates the patient and asks for more drugs from the PHARMACY for the NURSE to administer.
-The DOCTOR admits the patient to the ward if patient is not good to go or discharges the patient if he is good.
-THE DOCTOR in the ward keeps on seeing the patient and evaluating his needs. THE DOCTOR calls for the assistance of the NURSE, PHARMACIST, LABORATORY SCIENTIST/TECHNICIAN, RADIOGRAPHER when the need arises.
But there is always a need for the DOCTOR to be in CONTACT with the progress of the patient.
-THE DOCTOR DISCHARGES the PATIENT home or CERTIFIES him dead as the case may be.

IT BEGINS WITH THE DOCTOR and PATIENT from admission and ends with DOCTOR and PATIENT on discharge from the hospital.

1. DOCTORS WORLDWIDE are LEADERS of the health sector in the best of centers.
-Google LIST OF BEST HOSPITALS IN THE WORLD.
A list of many hospital according to ranking would come up.
-Take the first 5, or 10, or 20 hospitals ONE BY ONE.
-For each hospital Google it's leadership.
-All would show you that the doctor is the head.
The CEO/CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER of all the hospitals have MD or MBBS as their basic qualification. (Most of these doctors have no any other non-medical qualification).

PLEASE GOOGLE FOR YOURSELF
-THE BEST HOSPITALS in the world.
-Then LEADERSHIP OF EACH HOSPITAL.

2.)DOCTORS ARE PAID FAR BETTER THAN OTHER SUPPORT STAFF WORLDWIDE.
This pay gets far different when the DOCTOR is a SPECIALIST: CONSULTANT (UK/INDIA) or an ATTENDING PHYSICIAN (USA).

Google the best hospitals in the world and the salary of the workers.

Google for yourself.
Do not be fed with lies.

3.) CAREER PROGRESSION for DOCTORS.
Doctors have two pathways for progression in Nigeria:
i. NORMAL CIVIL SERVICE where you are promoted to the next grade after every 3years.
ii. POSTGRADUATE MEDICAL EDUCATION, where you enroll into residency and is only promoted after rigorous academic and practical training and passing of professional examinations.
After NYSC the doctor pays heavily to write an exam called primaries. After the primaries he/she undergo extensive training as a REGISTRAR and after 3-5years write the PART 1 exams to become a SENIOR REGISTRAR. After another 3-5years he writes another exam to become a FELLOW/CONSULTANT. Each of PART 1 and 2 exams advance the doctor only one grade level (e.g Part 1 exam after 3-5 years moves a DOCTOR from grade 12 to 13. Part 2 after another 3-5moves a doctor from grade 13-14).
The pass rate of these exams generally is between 10-30%.
Its difficult to progress through the postgraduate pathway. You may spend more than 6years without promotion.

GOOGLE THE TRUTH.
We know your type, you are the first person to study medicine in your lineage....thats why it's shaking you this much.so much display of arrogance and pride in your write up.smh

shullamite:
At least its clear where the problem in the health sector is coming from now. The doctors don't want other staff to enjoy a little increament of salary even after government has increased their slararies more than Three times in in four years. This is just a case of wickedness and man's inhumanity to man. The doctors are not the employer of labour but they are telling government what to do. It's a case of eating alone and wanting other people to die of hunger even though there is excess food to serve everybody. Let the world see how wicked the doctors are in Nigeria.

Let me tell you the truth early this year the government of Canada increased doctors salary but the doctors refused the increament and told the government to use the money to pay other health workers and improve the facilities in the hospitals for patients to enjoy. But in Nigeria the case is opposite.