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Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by mhisbliss(f): 8:53pm On May 27, 2018
hopefulLandlord:


I don't want to get too explicit but its the same way a man can simulate the clit of a woman without penetrating her.
I see, maybe I'll research to know more
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by Martin0(m): 8:53pm On May 27, 2018
mhisbliss:
I just tire for your matter

you don't need to madamgrin
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by Nobody: 8:54pm On May 27, 2018
Henkor:


Sorry for the delay.

Based on your response, if by homosexuality being unnatural you mean it not being in accordance with nature, it then begs the question of your notion of what it means for something to be in accordance with nature. You seem to forget that nature is incredibly diverse and it manifests in a plethora of ways. Not only do complex organisms like ourselves and other life forms that comprise nature manifest an array of traits, there is also variation within the manifestation of a particular trait. How then can you separate natural traits from unnatural traits, especially bearing in mind all the factors that influence the flourishing of particular traits in a given environment, most of which are externally mediated?

I think the problem is that you seem to be construing the predominance of a behavior as an indication of it being natural, while you construe other variations of that behavior that aren't as prevalent, as unnatural. This couldn't be further from the truth in my estimation. Is heterosexuality the only natural expression of human sexuality? How about asexuality? Are people who aren't naturally attracted to either sex abnormal? What you fail to realize is that variations within behaviors ALWAYS exist, and of course some variations aid the proliferation of a species, but this doesn't make them the only natural form of expression. This notion erroneously assumes that nature tilts towards the sustenance of life, which also isn't true, as nature is inherently self contradictory and most of the time moves to destroy itself, as is evidenced by natural disasters and deadly viruses. I mean, would you say cancer is unnatural since it doesn't aid the perpetuation of the human race? Or are sexually transmitted diseases unnatural since they are by their very nature against sexual reproduction?

If heterosexuality is natural, then are all various forms of it also natural? By your definition, all variations of heterosexual behavior are in fact natural. So an attraction to the opposite sex that's fueled by a desire to rape and abuse during copulation is also natural right? The desire of a man to have sex with a 12 year old girl is also natural right, since it falls within heterosexuality?

This thread was dead on arrival because using the word 'natural' is as stupid as using the word 'normal' in a sentence. Nature is all things inclusive, mothers eat their young in nature and they're here debate 'sex' grin

I don't wanna vex... you comment was refreshing smiley
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by mhisbliss(f): 8:54pm On May 27, 2018
Martin0:


you don't need to madamgrin
But i am
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by iamJ(m): 8:54pm On May 27, 2018
hopefulLandlord:


I don't want to get too explicit but its the same way a man can simulate the clit of a woman without penetrating her.
a mans presence or looks can also stimulate a woman

She sees him, uses her lap to rub her lap and closes her legs tight and become wet grin
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by Martin0(m): 8:57pm On May 27, 2018
mhisbliss:
Yes i find them disgusting, imagine them doing it on the street? No straight person would find that comfortable so yes they're disgusting, you're the naive one here, trying to adopt something unusual because white people are adopting it

it their life, nobody owns it for them, they have right to leave it just as they wish togrin

well I have been naive always, I wanna learn from yougrin

wait oo,hmmm well it your opinion
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by IamPlato(m): 8:59pm On May 27, 2018
UDUJ:

True talk bro. Time to put it to practice tonight smiley
...

Awon Baba fro The Girls.

Active Energetic Servicing Tonight
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by Martin0(m): 9:00pm On May 27, 2018
mhisbliss:
But i am

OK oya come here jorgrin

we just need to be realistic, this is Nigeria people can do anything for something.
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by UDUJ(m): 9:00pm On May 27, 2018
IamPlato:
...


Awon Baba fro The Girls.


Active Energetic Servicing Tonight

grin grin grin
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by Nobody: 9:04pm On May 27, 2018
UDUJ:
I say this as someone whose view may be lacking some understanding on the subject, so I mean no offense for my assumptions.

You see the world is changing and there’s a reason to why everything is happening. I do think being gay is a mental issue, here's how I got to the conclusion:

Now, while you read this try to understand what I meant because I’m not trying to offend/insult anyone -

A lot of our human norms and needs evolve as we grow and one of the things that do is our sexuality. In this process of the evolving of our sexuality, things can be altered and different results will show up. In terms of sexuality, many things play a role in altering someone's sexuality. A great example would be an early access to pornographic material and the subsequent mind play it brings.

This is just a simple example, another example would be the many prisoners that turn gay during their time in jail with no access to a different sex, their sexuality had to go somewhere.

This is a tough one but there’s a reason why the percentage of gay people in the world is increasing everyday compared to say 20 years ago. It's not because the world population is increasing. There isn’t really a specific reason other than sexual redirection that I am aware of.

But in the animal world you have aphenomenon where 1 in 10 rams are gay or 3 in 10 penguins etc. That’s a very interesting fact (I suppose). This starts the argument that being gay is a natural thing and not a misdirection of sexuality.

Some animals have shown homosexual behaviours even when the different sex is around. And that's even more interesting.

Is this the case?

I would argue the contrary. Animals do stuff extrictly for their physical and emotional survival. How? A bear mom would leave her kids if she’s sure there's no way of running away. A chicken eats her egg if it couldn’t find any food. Female spider kills and eats male spider after mating. Etc.

But why would an animal have a same-sex partner if the opposite-sex is around?

I think it's more of an animal's simple instincts to do things, some animals like wolves have only one partner through their lives even if the other died. And they can be over-programmed too. A dog that used to enter a door after the owner opens the glass door. One day the glass door was open, the dog waited outside until the owner actually closed it and re-opened it in view of the dog

This means that some animals are wired to do stuff in a way that don’t change. And if this programming got altered this results in weird behaviours.

For example, when female spiders eat their mates, they do it because during the process of their evolution something changed in a way that forced their brains to break the rules because they couldn’t find an alternative. Therefore when the natural process of evolving gets altered weird results show up.

But the above example can’t apply to humans because the evolving disruption of the natural process of sexual evolution happens in someone’s life not during the early evolution. Why? Because the number of gay people is increasing each year.

This does not necessarily prove that being gay is a mental illness, although I prefer calling it sexual misdirection. From my little understanding this proves that the increase of gay people isn’t linked to a biological fact but to altering of a man/woman’s sexual nurturing process. However the existence of gay people isn’t all linked to that but part of evolution.

Conclusion: There are gay people because of evolution, but being gay doesn’t mean you’re born with it, it just means your sexuality was being altered in the background. smiley


There's 7b of us and growing... nature is just working with 'us' grin
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by UDUJ(m): 9:18pm On May 27, 2018
LivingFree:


There's 7b of us and growing... nature is just working with 'us' grin

Yeah. Is that you on your profile page? shocked

You are dashing wink
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by Nobody: 9:20pm On May 27, 2018
UDUJ:


Yeah. Is that you on your profile page? shocked

You are dashing wink

I see the thread went to the dogs... I guess I came late tongue
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by hopefulLandlord: 9:22pm On May 27, 2018
UDUJ:


Yeah. Is that you on your profile page? shocked

You are dashing wink

don't mean to rain on your parade though but you don't call a woman "Dashing" or did I misunderstand the word?
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by Nobody: 9:23pm On May 27, 2018
UDUJ:


The bold faced, that's just what I've been waiting to read. Good one smiley
thanks chief
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by UDUJ(m): 9:23pm On May 27, 2018
LivingFree:


I see the thread went to the dogs... I guess I came late tongue

Yeah you missed out on the good stuff
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by UDUJ(m): 9:28pm On May 27, 2018
hopefulLandlord:


don't mean to rain on your parade though but you don't call a woman "Dashing"

Dashing is less commonly used to refer to women but it's not entirely wrong.

Dashing: Synonyms - make a striking appearance, attractive

May be I should have just said pretty or beautiful but those words feel too common to me.

Thanks for pointing that out. smiley

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Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by Premiumwriter: 9:31pm On May 27, 2018
SoapQueen:
I'd be the Referee!
*blows whistle*
we can do the job together kiss
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by Nobody: 9:32pm On May 27, 2018
UDUJ:


Yeah you missed out on the good stuff

undecided
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by igetjoyfromthis: 9:32pm On May 27, 2018
UDUJ:
I say this as someone whose view may be lacking some understanding on the subject, so I mean no offense for my assumptions.

You see the world is changing and there’s a reason to why everything is happening. I do think being gay is a mental issue, here's how I got to the conclusion:

Now, while you read this try to understand what I meant because I’m not trying to offend/insult anyone -

A lot of our human norms and needs evolve as we grow and one of the things that do is our sexuality. In this process of the evolving of our sexuality, things can be altered and different results will show up. In terms of sexuality, many things play a role in altering someone's sexuality. A great example would be an early access to pornographic material and the subsequent mind play it brings.

This is just a simple example, another example would be the many prisoners that turn gay during their time in jail with no access to a different sex, their sexuality had to go somewhere.

This is a tough one but there’s a reason why the percentage of gay people in the world is increasing everyday compared to say 20 years ago. It's not because the world population is increasing. There isn’t really a specific reason other than sexual redirection that I am aware of.

But in the animal world you have aphenomenon where 1 in 10 rams are gay or 3 in 10 penguins etc. That’s a very interesting fact (I suppose). This starts the argument that being gay is a natural thing and not a misdirection of sexuality.

Some animals have shown homosexual behaviours even when the different sex is around. And that's even more interesting.

Is this the case?

I would argue the contrary. Animals do stuff extrictly for their physical and emotional survival. How? A bear mom would leave her kids if she’s sure there's no way of running away. A chicken eats her egg if it couldn’t find any food. Female spider kills and eats male spider after mating. Etc.

But why would an animal have a same-sex partner if the opposite-sex is around?

I think it's more of an animal's simple instincts to do things, some animals like wolves have only one partner through their lives even if the other died. And they can be over-programmed too. A dog that used to enter a door after the owner opens the glass door. One day the glass door was open, the dog waited outside until the owner actually closed it and re-opened it in view of the dog

This means that some animals are wired to do stuff in a way that don’t change. And if this programming got altered this results in weird behaviours.

For example, when female spiders eat their mates, they do it because during the process of their evolution something changed in a way that forced their brains to break the rules because they couldn’t find an alternative. Therefore when the natural process of evolving gets altered weird results show up.

But the above example can’t apply to humans because the evolving disruption of the natural process of sexual evolution happens in someone’s life not during the early evolution. Why? Because the number of gay people is increasing each year.

This does not necessarily prove that being gay is a mental illness, although I prefer calling it sexual misdirection. From my little understanding this proves that the increase of gay people isn’t linked to a biological fact but to altering of a man/woman’s sexual nurturing process. However the existence of gay people isn’t all linked to that but part of evolution.

Conclusion: There are gay people because of evolution, but being gay doesn’t mean you’re born with it, it just means your sexuality was being altered in the background. smiley


I admire the way your head works
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by iamJ(m): 9:34pm On May 27, 2018
LivingFree:


@Bold: You're pissing in the wind...
Maybe the next generation because this generation is still ran by their mums and Dads rules to life. It's really sad that such a thread even exists. Then again, people were arguing over pedophile on this forum so I don't even know what to expect. undecided
can people argue abt that? That one is a closed issue, its wrong
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by makydebbie(f): 9:42pm On May 27, 2018
N0favors:
lol. Make I no talk again before Una set me up
You're going to be a really strict dad lol. cheesy
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by daveP(m): 10:01pm On May 27, 2018
makydebbie:
We all need to understand that nobody can be 'sane' as you're. Variety cuts it. How can we all be 'normal?' We're all products of how life shapes us.

I know it's not normal but let's allow other 'abnormal' live their lives.
We shouldn't tell people how to live their lives lol. How e take concern me in the first place.
I can't believe you're on the "let all live" stance ere.


absolutely no difference from the support of forsaking all moral codes there is.
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by daveP(m): 10:06pm On May 27, 2018
mhisbliss:
Thanks all for derailing the thread, I'm outta here
you tried with your stance. wish you were more prepared for this defence.... try En get others of the same mind when the proper thread would be created anytime soon.


dobt forget to tag me.... you were outnumbered tonight.
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by Tallesty1(m): 10:19pm On May 27, 2018
1stSonOfLucifer:
Mhisbliss

Is anal sex with the opposite sex also unnatural? I ask because I notice people that play the unnatural card aren't as vocal about anal sex between 2 different sexes as anal sex between 2 same sexes
Companionship is not sex related
This is a different ball game if you ask me because the same guy that penetrates a lady's anus will be disgusted when a guy offers his own, and to answer your question directly I would say it is unnatural because the anus is designed to pass out not to recieve.
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by mhisbliss(f): 10:19pm On May 27, 2018
daveP:
you tried with your stance. wish you were more prepared for this defence.... try En get others of the same mind when the proper thread would be created anytime soon.


dobt forget to tag me.... you were outnumbered tonight.
Lol thanks

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Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by Henkor: 10:33pm On May 27, 2018
LivingFree:


This thread was dead on arrival because using the word 'natural' is as stupid as using the word 'normal' in a sentence. Nature is all things inclusive, mothers eat their young in nature and they're here debate 'sex' grin

I don't wanna vex... you comment was refreshing smiley

It's equally refreshing to know that someone else shares my point of view and approves of the validity of my arguments.

I actually created this thread to have a one on one discussion with the said user because her post on the home page was strewn with very weak arguments and she seemed to have the support of lots of people, which was something I found baffling. Surprisingly enough, the post you quoted wasn't responded to by her or anyone else and my thread was highjacked by people who seemed to be having a humdrum Sunday afternoon.
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by Tallesty1(m): 10:42pm On May 27, 2018
Safiaa:
To be sincere how could society influence homosexuality, especially in Nigeria where everything is totally against it?
Please don't say this because I was very young when I first encountered a gay man. He was a yoruba malam and only god knows how it would have ended if I didn't tell my parents. Perhaps he would have taught me to be gay because I was too young then to know what it truly is and I think that was why I told my mom about it.

My point is this, many people were abused by these gay folks when they were young. Nigeria have a lot of rich and poor men who are busy catching them young. It is everywhere so forget the talk about everything being against them.

For now, there's no concluded scientific evidence to prove that it natural so it remains unnatural until there's one.

I do not wanna talk about lesbians because in Nigeria, especially Abuja, a straight person can be recruited and she will start sleeping with a fellow woman.
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by Nobody: 10:43pm On May 27, 2018
Henkor:


It's equally refreshing to know that someone else shares my point of view and approves of the validity of my arguments.

I actually created this thread to have a one on one discussion with the said user because her post on the home page was strewn with very weak arguments and she seemed to have the support of lots of people, which was something I found baffling. Surprisingly enough, the post you quoted wasn't responded to by her or anyone else and my thread was highjacked by people who seemed to be having a humdrum Sunday afternoon.

What can we say to that... thank you for being the hope behind humanity because that comment I quoted fed the soul grin

Nature ain't smiling and it ain't sentimental.
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by DaddyKross: 10:50pm On May 27, 2018
When people defend "Yahoo boys", they are automatically termed as a fraudster but welcome to Nairaland where you can defend faggôts and still claim to be straight.

To y'all bloody faggôts, i hope y'all get burnt in Sodom again. Mtcheew

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Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by Henkor: 10:54pm On May 27, 2018
LivingFree:


What can we say to that... thank you for being the hope behind humanity because that comment I quoted fed the soul grin

Nature ain't smiling and it ain't sentimental.

On a lighter note, if I was to personify nature, I'd refer to nature as a sadistic, suicidal, self harming, artistic, unsympathetic beauty, with a serious case of bipolar disorder and an extremely unhealthy interest in morbidity.
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by Tallesty1(m): 11:03pm On May 27, 2018
hopefulLandlord:
I support homosexuality IF they do it at the privacy of their own home with consensual partner(s) and they derive pleasure from it. You'd notice these reasons apply to heterosexuality as well
My stand too. My friend's father once said to him "you see that thing you're doing with that girl outside? I'm not saying that you should not do it but it is meant to be done inside" That's just it. Wanna be gay? Then be gay but don't rub it on my face.
Re: A Conversation With Mhisbliss On The Subject Of Homosexuality. by hopefulLandlord: 11:26pm On May 27, 2018
DaddyKross:
When people defend "Yahoo boys", they are automatically termed as a fraudster but welcome to Nairaland where you can defend faggôts and still claim to be straight.

To y'all bloody faggôts, i hope y'all get burnt in Sodom again. Mtcheew

I agree bro, anyone fighting for equal rights for the poor must be poor, innit?

Anyone fighting against borderline slavery in Qatar must be a slave too

When will some people start receiving sense?

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