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My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by NobleEngineer(m): 6:38pm On Jun 05, 2018
Hello Car Gurus...

Since I bought my corrolla 9ja used, I've noticed my temp guage doesnt reach the middle (Picture attached). I have conducted a Cold engine test on my thermostat.

Cold engine test: I opened the hood and removed radiator cap, I started the engine and observed coolant action. Coolant didnt move until after like 2mins then coolant started swirling. I was told on google this means my Thermostat is fine.
But I noticed the previous owner have bypassed the fan. The fan starts running on ignition & neva stops until I put off the engine. Could this be reason why my temp guage neva reach the mid point, despite having a working thermostat Pls reply. Thanks as always.

Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by hisgrace090: 7:16pm On Jun 05, 2018
Connect your fan back to factory fitting, I have done mine. And my car bought second handed tempriture is now reaching middle.

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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by Shalomc(f): 7:32pm On Jun 05, 2018
hisgrace090:
Connect your fan back to factory fitting, I have done mine. And my car bought second handed tempriture is now reaching middle.
Solution.

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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by mayor2013: 7:41pm On Jun 05, 2018
hisgrace090:
Connect your fan back to factory fitting, I have done mine. And my car bought second handed tempriture is now reaching middle.

Simple as ABC

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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by Nobody: 7:55pm On Jun 05, 2018
mayor2013:


Simple as ABC
Boss, can you give an estimate of how much it would cost to connect the fan back, my car's fan (a Naija used 2003 Camry) also runs directly. Thanks.
Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by AutoElectNG: 8:12pm On Jun 05, 2018
tolusan:

Boss, can you give an estimate of how much it would cost to connect the fan back, my car's fan (a Naija used 2003 Camry) also runs directly. Thanks.

Can do it for you if you are in Abuja.

Will post pictures and narrative of how I did it for a 2000 model Mazda on my Mazda thread

Should be doing so for a 2000 model Honda CR-V this week or next will equally post pictures to my Honda thread

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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by mayor2013: 9:51pm On Jun 05, 2018
tolusan:

Boss, can you give an estimate of how much it would cost to connect the fan back, my car's fan (a Naija used 2003 Camry) also runs directly. Thanks.

If you are in Lagos I would do it free for you. On the condition all systems that prevents overheating are still inorder
Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by Nobody: 12:20am On Jun 06, 2018
mayor2013:


If you are in Lagos I would do it free for you. On the condition all systems that prevents overheating are still inorder
Wow. Thanks. The thermostat is no longer there though. Where's your workshop Sire?
Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by mayor2013: 6:06am On Jun 06, 2018
tolusan:

Wow. Thanks. The thermostat is no longer there though. Where's your workshop Sire?

Would give you an appointment for Thursday by 10am. Kindly purchase a good working thermostat your self before coming. 12b Alhaji yekini olarewaju street Akesan bustop Igando lagos
Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by NobleEngineer(m): 6:42pm On Jun 22, 2018
So guys, I have fixed the fan connection, now the fan no longer operate directly but comes on as default setting.
So today while in a heavy traffic I noticed the outdoor temperature guage shows just "E".
pls who sabi why it is so kindly find attached.

Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by rainmaker12(m): 9:18pm On Jul 07, 2018
Remove your radiator.

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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by NobleEngineer(m): 6:50am On Jul 08, 2018
so after removing radiator, what's the next thing to do
rainmaker12:
Remove your radiator.
Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by GAZZUZZ(m): 7:17am On Jul 08, 2018
NobleEngineer:
So guys, I have fixed the fan connection, now the fan no longer operate directly but comes on as default setting.
So today while in a heavy traffic I noticed the outdoor temperature guage shows just "E".
pls who sabi why it is so kindly find attached.


In the Nigerian setting there is no smoke without a fire.

Older cars tend to have overheating issues because of a wide range of environmental and maintenance factors.

The cooling system is originally supposed to run on coolant, and not water.

When water is used in a cooling system for a long time, the system gets contaminated and starts to corrode.

Parts in the cooling system made from aluminum begin to wear off and the radiator gets blocked, rust is introduced and in a space of 1-2 years a perfectly functional foreign used car starts to overheat in nigeria.


Now this same scenario would also occur if coolant is not replaced at the right intervals. For the record coolant should be drained every 100,000km or 66,000 miles. (Ignore the Americans they just working with warranty) failure to do so, same results would occur to the cooling system.

Our Nigerian technicians response to overheating is suppression of the symptoms, which is to bypass the functioning of the fan, making it run steady and removing the Thermostat which ensures fluid flow from the radiator to the engine without a buildup of heat.

some times car owners take their functional cars that did not have any overheating issues to the technician and the cooling system is modified. The belief system is that that is what is best for the engine in nigeria.


As a rule, when clients come with fans running directly, I try and retrieve a history of when and how long ago the procedure was done.

I Inspect pipe joints to see how far corroded the aluminum parts of the engine have gone, then based on the information I have, I write a long list of parts to be replaced, before corrective wiring and Thermostat installation can be done.

please note: a rubber hose with high pressure water or coolant on a corroded aluminum fitting will leak at the joint especially when the temp of the car hits 96-100deg Celsius this in turn will cause overheating.

If a client is not ready to replace radiator and corroded parts (if any) and return to factory coolant (not Abro or total or any green winch) I will not take the job! And will advice he leaves his system the way it is.


Now back to your last quetion.

There is a part called the ambient temp sensor mounted in front of the condenser , right behind the front Grill, it is either disconnected or missing. Replace it and you will get the proper readings.

play safe every one, better to have a running engine, than a dissatisfied client with a blown gasket.


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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by AutoElectNG: 7:44am On Jul 08, 2018
GAZZUZZ:



In the Nigerian setting there is no smoke without a fire.

Older cars tend to have overheating issues because of a wide range of environmental and maintenance factors.

The cooling system is originally supposed to run on coolant, and not water.

When water is used in a cooling system for a long time, the system gets contaminated and starts to corrode.

Parts in the cooling system made from aluminum begin to wear off and the radiator gets blocked, rust is introduced and in a space of 1-2 years a perfectly functional foreign used car starts to overheat in nigeria.


Now this same scenario would also occur if coolant is not replaced at the right intervals. For the record coolant should be drained every 100,000km or 66,000 miles. (Ignore the Americans they just working with warranty) failure to do so, same results would occur to the cooling system.

Our Nigerian technicians response to overheating is suppression of the symptoms, which is to bypass the functioning of the fan, making it run steady and removing the Thermostat which ensures fluid flow from the radiator to the engine without a buildup of heat.

some times car owners take their functional cars that did not have any overheating issues to the technician and the cooling system is modified. The belief system is that that is what is best for the engine in nigeria.


As a rule, when clients come with fans running directly, I try and retrieve a history of when and how long ago the procedure was done.

I Inspect pipe joints to see how far corroded the aluminum parts of the engine have gone, then based on the information I have, I write a long list of parts to be replaced, before corrective wiring and Thermostat installation can be done.

please note: a rubber hose with high pressure water or coolant on a corroded aluminum fitting will leak at the joint especially when the temp of the car hits 96-100deg Celsius this in turn will cause overheating.

If a client is not ready to replace radiator and corroded parts (if any) and return to factory coolant (not Abro or total or any green winch) I will not take the job! And will advice he leaves his system the way it is.


Now back to your last quetion.

There is a part called the ambient temp sensor mounted in front of the condenser , right behind the front Grill, it is either disconnected or missing. Replace it and you will get the proper readings.

play safe every one, better to have a running engine, than a dissatisfied client with a burnt gasket.



Total Nigeria PLC give us a specification sheet for your coolant
Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by weyreypey: 7:59am On Jul 08, 2018
AutoElectNG:


Total Nigeria PLC give us a specification sheet for your coolant
Did he just condemn total's coolant?
Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by AutoElectNG: 8:18am On Jul 08, 2018
weyreypey:

Did he just condemn total's coolant?

Well...I have seen a lot of bad press about Total coolant especially the green one.

All I said is that it would be good to see the specification sheet so we can justify the bad press or ignore the bad press.

I haven't seen any as at the time of this post.

That said...I found an article suggesting that the lifespan of the green coolant is 2 years and the lifespan of the other Total coolant (the pink one) is 5 years, which is equivalent to the OEM fluid in at least Honda and maybe Toyota (saying maybe because I have not cross-checked)

Picture credits: http://thelioncommunity..com/2016/04/new-total-coolant-pink-colour-now.html

The article also provides the information above comparing both types.

All I found at the Total Eshop was the text below:

Total Radiator coolant has been engineered in a way that this coolant's thermal conductivity and boiling point is very suitable for hot countries. It provides high temperature resistance for all types of petrol and diesel engines and long term protection for radiators and water pumps. The radiator coolant removes scales and offsets corrosion which is suitable for all light and heavy vehicles.



Provides high temperature resistance

Removes scale and offsets corrosion

Superior performance in a great number of internal combustion engines

Contains foam inhibiting and corrosion-inhibiting additives

Not compatible with silicate formulation

That said, from the packaging the new Total coolant appears to be a better product that the one colored green, and maybe that's why it is considered substandard

Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by Nobody: 8:22am On Jul 08, 2018
GAZZUZZ:



In the Nigerian setting there is no smoke without a fire.

Older cars tend to have overheating issues because of a wide range of environmental and maintenance factors.

The cooling system is originally supposed to run on coolant, and not water.

When water is used in a cooling system for a long time, the system gets contaminated and starts to corrode.

Parts in the cooling system made from aluminum begin to wear off and the radiator gets blocked, rust is introduced and in a space of 1-2 years a perfectly functional foreign used car starts to overheat in nigeria.


Now this same scenario would also occur if coolant is not replaced at the right intervals. For the record coolant should be drained every 100,000km or 66,000 miles. (Ignore the Americans they just working with warranty) failure to do so, same results would occur to the cooling system.

Our Nigerian technicians response to overheating is suppression of the symptoms, which is to bypass the functioning of the fan, making it run steady and removing the Thermostat which ensures fluid flow from the radiator to the engine without a buildup of heat.

some times car owners take their functional cars that did not have any overheating issues to the technician and the cooling system is modified. The belief system is that that is what is best for the engine in nigeria.


As a rule, when clients come with fans running directly, I try and retrieve a history of when and how long ago the procedure was done.

I Inspect pipe joints to see how far corroded the aluminum parts of the engine have gone, then based on the information I have, I write a long list of parts to be replaced, before corrective wiring and Thermostat installation can be done.

please note: a rubber hose with high pressure water or coolant on a corroded aluminum fitting will leak at the joint especially when the temp of the car hits 96-100deg Celsius this in turn will cause overheating.

If a client is not ready to replace radiator and corroded parts (if any) and return to factory coolant (not Abro or total or any green winch) I will not take the job! And will advice he leaves his system the way it is.


Now back to your last quetion.

There is a part called the ambient temp sensor mounted in front of the condenser , right behind the front Grill, it is either disconnected or missing. Replace it and you will get the proper readings.

play safe every one, better to have a running engine, than a dissatisfied client with a burnt gasket.


if you had responded like this the day I called you,I won't be wasting half a million naira on engine replacement.mightier than thou online warrior angry

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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by GAZZUZZ(m): 8:27am On Jul 08, 2018
nwanneni:
if you had responded like this the day I called you,I won't be wasting half a million naira on engine replacement.mightier than thou online warrior angry

sadly it is not my job to educate you on how to maintain your vehicle.

Open a thread on NL and wait for a response, my phone is my personal property and I choose whom to speak with when I choose to speak with.

When you become a paying client then you can accuse me of damaging your engine. by the way I do not support mercerdes in my workshop.

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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by AutoElectNG: 8:33am On Jul 08, 2018
One the issue of paying client versus prospective client

I will someday share a very interesting story....for now my lips have to be sealed so as not to prejudice contracts being negotiated...

Dealing with the public is very educating.. people as so different...Idiosyncrasy on display no be small

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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by Nobody: 8:40am On Jul 08, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


sadly it is not my job to educate you on how to maintain your vehicle.

Open a thread on NL and wait for a response, my phone is my personal property and I choose whom to speak with when I choose to speak with.

When you become a paying client then you can accuse me of damaging your engine. by the way I do not support mercerdes in my workshop.
did you charge me and I refused to pay?No!
U just snobbed,like the usual you would!anyways,now I know who you are.
When you put your phone number on a forum that has over 2 million members,what did you expect?i would say a selfless service.no p,egunmogaji is my best bet from now on,thanks anyways

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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by GAZZUZZ(m): 8:43am On Jul 08, 2018
nwanneni:
did you charge me and I refused to pay?No!
U just snobbed,like the usual you would!anyways,now I know who you are.
When you put your phone number on a forum that has over 2 million members,what did you expect?i would say a selfless service.no p,egunmogaji is my best bet from now on,thanks anyways

I do not owe you a service. Open a thread. You are not a paying customer.

Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by weyreypey: 9:23am On Jul 08, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


I do not owe you a service. Open a thread. You are not a paying customer.

You owe nwanneni or any other person the duty of being civil. The fact that you have been getting away with incivility and underhand activities doesn't mean you're right. If you don't support Mercedes Benz then direct the caller to people who do. Not come here to form one holier than thou attitude.

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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by GAZZUZZ(m): 9:32am On Jul 08, 2018
weyreypey:

You owe nwanneni or any other person the duty of being civil. The fact that you have been getting away with incivility and underhand activities doesn't mean you're right. If you don't support Mercedes Benz then direct the caller to people who do. Not come here to form one holier than thou attitude.

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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by GAZZUZZ(m): 9:33am On Jul 08, 2018
AutoElectNG:
One the issue of paying client versus prospective client

I will someday share a very interesting story....for now my lips have to be sealed so as not to prejudice contracts being negotiated...

Dealing with the public is very educating.. people as so different...Idiosyncrasy on display no be small

with the tone of some people's conversations on the phone, you don't even want them as prospective clients. They will never get an appointment.

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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by Nobody: 9:48am On Jul 08, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


what are you saying?who is the troll here?
Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by weyreypey: 9:56am On Jul 08, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


Like I knew. ... You just couldn't resist the urge.

Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by weyreypey: 9:57am On Jul 08, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


with the tone of some people's conversations on the phone, you don't even want them as prospective clients. They will never get an appointment.
False.... But I don't wanna engage you this morning.

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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by Nobody: 9:59am On Jul 08, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


with the tone of some people's conversations on the phone, you don't even want them as prospective clients. They will never get an appointment.
proud and cocky as usual.please at least tell this forum how I was rude to you on the phone.
I have a competent mechanic who does well,but this issue proved to be beyond his expertise,after I left his office,thesame issue broke out on the way and I thought i should seek a second opinion,who else but gazzuzz.
Our conversation was thus;gazzuzz,how far(which is common btw Nigerian youths).I am experiencing......
What did you do after that?you hung up.
now tell me who the troll here is because I really think it is you,mightier than thou.

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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by 9icetoo(m): 10:02am On Jul 08, 2018
nwaneni, I have never met this guy gazzuz but he is not what you paint him to be. he pocks my calls and when he doesn't I understand he may be busy.
no one I know picks all his calls. I don't pick all of mine.
I send him texts when he doesn't and he calls back or replies the text. I have never paid him a dime but he helps out when he can.
we should all understand that people have a right to their privacy.
no offence meant by my post but the number of beefs and bashings brewing in the cartalk section is unbecoming.

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Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by mayor2013: 10:07am On Jul 08, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


with the tone of some people's conversations on the phone, you don't even want them as prospective clients. They will never get an appointment.

Open a thread for this grin
Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by Eking: 10:18am On Jul 08, 2018
GAZZUZZ:



In the Nigerian setting there is no smoke without a fire.

Older cars tend to have overheating issues because of a wide range of environmental and maintenance factors.

The cooling system is originally supposed to run on coolant, and not water.

When water is used in a cooling system for a long time, the system gets contaminated and starts to corrode.

Parts in the cooling system made from aluminum begin to wear off and the radiator gets blocked, rust is introduced and in a space of 1-2 years a perfectly functional foreign used car starts to overheat in nigeria.


Now this same scenario would also occur if coolant is not replaced at the right intervals. For the record coolant should be drained every 100,000km or 66,000 miles. (Ignore the Americans they just working with warranty) failure to do so, same results would occur to the cooling system.

Our Nigerian technicians response to overheating is suppression of the symptoms, which is to bypass the functioning of the fan, making it run steady and removing the Thermostat which ensures fluid flow from the radiator to the engine without a buildup of heat.

some times car owners take their functional cars that did not have any overheating issues to the technician and the cooling system is modified. The belief system is that that is what is best for the engine in nigeria.


As a rule, when clients come with fans running directly, I try and retrieve a history of when and how long ago the procedure was done.

I Inspect pipe joints to see how far corroded the aluminum parts of the engine have gone, then based on the information I have, I write a long list of parts to be replaced, before corrective wiring and Thermostat installation can be done.

please note: a rubber hose with high pressure water or coolant on a corroded aluminum fitting will leak at the joint especially when the temp of the car hits 96-100deg Celsius this in turn will cause overheating.

If a client is not ready to replace radiator and corroded parts (if any) and return to factory coolant (not Abro or total or any green winch) I will not take the job! And will advice he leaves his system the way it is.


Now back to your last quetion.

There is a part called the ambient temp sensor mounted in front of the condenser , right behind the front Grill, it is either disconnected or missing. Replace it and you will get the proper readings.

play safe every one, better to have a running engine, than a dissatisfied client with a burnt gasket.



Oga gazzuzz , please which green coolant is original and reliable.. And how can I get it
. I don't live in lagos
Re: My Temperature Guage Doesn't Get To The Middle !!! by GAZZUZZ(m): 10:20am On Jul 08, 2018
Eking:


Oga gazzuzz , please which green coolant is original and reliable.. And how can I get it
. I don't live in lagos

what vehicle?

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