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Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by Akin1212(m): 8:33pm On Jun 29, 2018
Did Jesus sacrifice himself or was he killed? If he was killed he didn't sacrifice himself..if he sacrificed himself he wasn't killed. Pick a team�
Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by frank317: 8:47pm On Jun 29, 2018
Akin1212:
Did Jesus sacrifice himself or was he killed? If he was killed he didn't sacrifice himself..if he sacrificed himself he wasn't killed. Pick a team�

I think he was killed for nothing... OK he probably made some comments that got some well respected leaders angry and with the way he was going, they would outlive their relevance.
So he already suspected he would die. He probably was a nice guy who stepped on wrong toes

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Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by Akin1212(m): 9:00pm On Jun 29, 2018
frank317:


I think he was killed for nothing... OK he probably made some comments that got some well respected leaders angry and with the way he was going, they would outlive their relevance.
So he already suspected he would die. He probably was a nice guy who stepped on wrong toes

So, he didn't give himself up? Even though he said he will be killed and rise up the third day, even though he rebuked Peter who tried to fight back when they came for him?
Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by frank317: 9:32pm On Jun 29, 2018
Akin1212:


So, he didn't give himself up? Even though he said he will be killed and rise up the third day, even though he rebuked Peter who tried to fight back when they came for him?

he probably believed he was a messenger if God, just like some pastors we have today. he also felt he was sacrificing himself for God
Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by Akin1212(m): 9:44pm On Jun 29, 2018
frank317:


he probably believed he was a messenger if God, just like some pastors we have today. he also felt he was sacrificing himself for God
If he sacrificed himself, then he wasn't killed. It's suicide. If he was killed, then he didn't sacrifice himself. That is the bone of contention, the reason for this thread.
Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by dprpikin: 9:52pm On Jun 29, 2018
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Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by Nobody: 10:35pm On Jun 29, 2018
Jesus never existed. The story of Jesus was concocted by the Roman empire in order to keep their subjects under leash & control.

If you want Nigeria to advance & prosper, then you must stop reading the bible & the quran, and embrace science & technology.

The famous white man posing as Jesus Christ was know as "Cesare Borgia" , the second son of Pope Alexander the 6th of Rome. Google that name!

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Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by Butterflyleo: 5:24am On Jun 30, 2018
Zoharariel:
Jesus never existed. The story of Jesus was concocted by the Roman empire in order to keep their subjects under leash & control.

If you want Nigeria to advance & prosper, then you must stop reading the bible & the quran, and embrace science & technology.

The famous white man posing as Jesus Christ was know as "Cesare Borgia" , the second son of Pope Alexander the 6th of Rome. Google that name!

So that supposed white man called Cesare Borgia existed before the days of Paul the apostle or existed along with the other apostles.

You must still be a child if you are referring to cesare borgia as Jesus despite the scriptures existing for over 2000 years with Jesus already contained therein. Maybe Cesare Borgia is over 2000 years old right?

You are actually the one inventing your own version of Jesus called Cesare Borgia and indeed he is fake which is why you being a child thought he was true.

People will just wake up to post nonsense.

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Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by Gggg102(m): 11:50am On Jun 30, 2018
Akin1212:
Did Jesus sacrifice himself or was he killed? If he was killed he didn't sacrifice himself..if he sacrificed himself he wasn't killed. Pick a team�


being killed and being sacrificed are not mutually exclusive.

when animals were sacrificed, they did not commit suicide, they were killed.

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Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by Akin1212(m): 12:09pm On Jun 30, 2018
Gggg102:



being killed and being sacrificed are not mutually exclusive.

when animals were sacrificed, they did not commit suicide, they were killed.

They are obviously and completely mutually exclusive. Thanks for your dishonesty.

When animals are killed, they don't sacrifice themselves, they are helpless and hence killed.

Sacrificing oneself is by oneself will which animals don't do. No animal wants to be killed, you'd know this if you have ever killed a fowl or cow or goat.

Read and think about the post again, Jesus wasn't helpless according to claims, he had angel Gabriel and the lots, yet he did nothing!

So he wasn't killed, he committed suicide.
Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by Akin1212(m): 12:11pm On Jun 30, 2018
Zoharariel:
Jesus never existed. The story of Jesus was concocted by the Roman empire in order to keep their subjects under leash & control.

If you want Nigeria to advance & prosper, then you must stop reading the bible & the quran, and embrace science & technology.

The famous white man posing as Jesus Christ was know as "Cesare Borgia" , the second son of Pope Alexander the 6th of Rome. Google that name!

Let's just assume he existed.
Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by Akin1212(m): 12:13pm On Jun 30, 2018
dprpikin:


He said that He could have called legion of angels, if He so wished. If you believe His report ( which I do) then they killed Him, because He let them. And that is sacrifice, because He did it voluntarily.

On the otherhand, if you don't believe His report that He had the capacity to finish off those who came to arrest Him, then you'll probably believe He was killed.
So, he sacrificed himself which means he committed voluntary suicide. Isn't suicide a big sin, or was Jesus exempted from that sin?
Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by dprpikin: 12:58pm On Jun 30, 2018
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Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by Gggg102(m): 1:29pm On Jun 30, 2018
Akin1212:


They are obviously and completely mutually exclusive. Thanks for your dishonesty.

When animals are killed, they don't sacrifice themselves, they are helpless and hence killed.

Sacrificing oneself is by oneself will which animals don't do. No animal wants to be killed, you'd know this if you have ever killed a fowl or cow or goat.

Read and think about the post again, Jesus wasn't helpless according to claims, he had angel Gabriel and the lots, yet he did nothing!

So he wasn't killed, he committed suicide.

when you hear of people who saved others at the expense of their lives, do those people commit suicide?

when people choose to die in place of others are they committing suicide?

for example: Maximilian Kolbe offered to replace a man sentenced by the Nazis to die by starvation when the man cried about his family.
did Maximilian Kolbe commit suicide?

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Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by Akin1212(m): 2:21pm On Jun 30, 2018
dprpikin:


If going to die on the cross is God's will for Him, then how can it be counted as sin? Sin is anything outside God's will. He did righteousness because He fulfilled the will of God, irrespective of what name you choose to tag His action.

��� lmao. You don't mean this. So god's method of saving the world is necessarily to kill someone? A god that can do everything would have chosen a more simple method so no one would have to suffer.

And how does someone dying save billions of people?
God's will is an overused excuse, try another point. So Jesus took himself to the slaughter because it was the will of God. If Jesus ever lived, then he was deluded and he committed the sin of suicide.
Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by Akin1212(m): 2:27pm On Jun 30, 2018
Gggg102:


when you hear of people who saved others at the expense of their lives, do those people commit suicide?

Yes, if they have the power not to die but decided to die.
No, if they couldn't stop their death and had no option.

Gggg102:

when people choose to die in place of others are they committing suicide?
Yes, because they are Making the decision to die.

Gggg102:

for example: Maximilian Kolbe offered to replace a man sentenced by the Nazis to die by starvation when the man cried about his family.
did Maximilian Kolbe commit suicide?

Yes, he made the decision to die. You need to know the difference between suicide and murder.

The suicide here is the decision that you want to die.
Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by Gggg102(m): 2:37pm On Jun 30, 2018
Akin1212:


Yes, if they have the power not to die but decided to die.
No, if they couldn't stop their death and had no option.


Yes, because they are Making the decision to die.


Yes, he made the decision to die. You need to know the difference between suicide and murder.

The suicide here is the decision that you want to die.

if choosing to die for others is suicide, then Jesus committed suicide.
Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by Akin1212(m): 3:37pm On Jun 30, 2018
Gggg102:


if choosing to die for others is suicide, then Jesus committed suicide.

Good. Thanks for admitting that.

And since he chose to die for people who never asked him to do so, according to the laws of religion he has committed a big sin.

So Jesus who was claimed to have never committed a sin, actually did. That's a wonderful revelation
Re: Pick A Team... Killed Or Suicide. by RuthlessLeader(m): 4:02pm On Jun 30, 2018
Gggg102:


if choosing to die for others is suicide, then Jesus committed suicide.
Why did God use such a barbaric way to save us?

Couldn't he have just said I remove all sin and there, no more sin.

And don't talk about freewill, if we had freewill we would be able to choose our parents so that we would all follow the one true religion

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