usermane:
Few hadith may help to understand verses,

Empiree: As for loud or silence in prayers as you indicated above, that's dhikr Quran is talking about not salat. Salat was practicalized and companions was him (saw)

usermane:


Salat is to be said aloud. Read and digest these verses - Qur'an 17:101. The word used is salat, not dhikr.

Empiree:
Am afraid you cited wrong ayah

usermane:


Salat is to be said aloud. Read and digest these verses - Qur'an 17:110. The word used is salat, not dhikr.

Yea, if you wanna recite loud voice fine. But when you join muslims in congregation you have no choice but to follow Imam. If you offer your zuhr and Asr in your privacy, recite loud if you want. That's btw you and Allah. But when you are with muslims in congregation you must conform with majority.

I dont wanna waste time by citing historical background bcus it makes no meaning to you.

Sunan Abi Dawud » Book of Knowledge (Kitab Al-Ilm) »
Narrated Jundub:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: If anyone interprets the Book of Allah in the light of his opinion even if he is right, he has erred.

usermane:
Groupthink - Is the condition the writer suffers from. "Let's just do things as we met others doing". A honest response would've been admitting even mosque Imams MUST recite audibly at noon and afternoon, not silently. This is the response of those devoted to Qur'an.



Of course, for a traditionalist, history would be more authoritative than Qur'an. And community conformity must be protected even at the expense of truth.

Empiree:
You dont get it?. This is not about history is most authoritative over Quran. It is about companions saw how the prophet prayed. How does that multiplied to authority of history over Quran?. I have seen a sunni boy who asked online sheikh question that he is finding it difficult to recite silently the salat zuhr and Asr. Sheikh told him exactly what i said. That's, if you are with congregation behind imam, you have to follow imam. You do not raise your voice or pray differently. Otherwise, you will be causing fitna in the mosque. Now, i have not said you're not muslim if you recite zuhr and asr aloud but i said you should do so when you offer salat in isolation.

And no, you can not tell imam to recite out loud zuhr and asr. Imam is authority in the masjid even if he is 6 years old you must obey him.

usermane:


Your inconsistency is unbelievable. You've repeated previously that you'll reject any Hadith that contradict Qur'an. Why betray such principle now?

Please clarify your stand;

- Do you believe some Hadith contradict Qur'an? If yes, what should be done?

Next what's your general view on Hadith?
- Do you believe Muhammad received divine revelations outside the Qur'an?
- Do you believe Muhammad had authority forbid or prescribe what Qur'an is silent on?

Empiree:
He(saw) understood perfectly what the Quran is saying. He practicalized it and his sahaba saw him. If you wanna do contrary, pls do so in your privacy. No one holds you sinful for that but don't disrupt the congregation. And how does loud or silence in salat contradicts that ayah of Quran?. It doesn't.

Empiree:
He(saw) understood perfectly what the Quran is saying. He practicalized it and his sahaba saw him.

If you wanna do contrary, pls do so in your privacy. No one holds you sinful for that but don't disrupt the congregation.

And how does loud or silence in salat contradicts that ayah of Quran?. It doesn't.

usermane:


Fella, please answer these questions;

- Do you believe some Hadith contradict
Qur'an? If yes, what should be done?

Next what's your general view on Hadith?

- Do you believe Muhammad received divine
revelations outside the Qur'an?

- Do you believe Muhammad had authority
forbid or prescribe what Qur'an is silent on?

usermane:


I know, right? He understood perfectly what Qur'an is saying. That's why he permitted Muslim imperialism, slavery or killing apostates, and forbade combing the hair daily.
And his sahabas learnt it from him. So we have to trust them.

Of course, I won't bother the congregation. But the imam is violating Qur'an.

Empiree: Doesn't necessarily discarded but place on hold

Empiree:
If you wanna comb your hair, comb it. If you wanna unkempt, pls do so. Na by force? Have told you there is also possibility of mistakes with matn.




Quran mandate obligatory Friday prayer, do you pray this every friday?. This is fard congregational salah. You can't prayer yours separate. So do you offer Jummah in congregation or not?. If not then you have disbelieve.

usermane:


I'm vindicated for not joining the congregation on Friday because they violate Qur'an 72:18. By invoking Muhammad in the site for God Alone, they violate the monotheistic value of Islam.

usermane:


You're kidding, right? You personally have no consistent response. Sometimes you ignore the hadith like stoning adulterers, other times you ignore the verse like reciting salat audibly. The so called sahabas who reportedly saw Muhammad recite silently also reportedly heard Muhammad order stoning of adulterers.

Look, I'm not a Christian or Atheist. You can't hornswoggle me that easily. I've entertain your dishonesty for so long and it's made me appreciate salafists like New.naz, Fundam.entalizt, lexiconkabeer who fiercely oppose me but have a consistent and honest approach to hadith. If an hadith contradict the Qur'an, Muslims' defer to the scholars for clarification, that is the official policy in your religion.

Sunan Abi Dawud » Book of Types of Blood-Wit (Kitab Al-Diyat)
Narrated 'Amr b. Shu'aib:
On his father's authority said that his grandfather reported the Prophet (ﷺ) said: A believer will not be killed for an infidel. If anyone kills a man deliberately, he is to be handed over to the relatives of the one who has been killed. If they wish, they may kill, but if they wish, they may accept blood-wit

Sunan an-Nasa'i » The Book of Oaths
"The Messenger of Allah said: 'The blood money for Ahl Adh-Dhimmah is half that of the blood money for the Muslims, and they are the Jews and Christians."

usermane:
Hadith Fostering Muslim Supremacy and Bias

Hadith #1; "Never say salaam to Jews & Christians, Push them to the narrowest path of the road". Some poster attempted distorting the straight forward meaning of this hostile directive to Muslims. But only those who lie to themselves undermine the harm in this hadith.

Now enter, Hadith #8. Another proof at the depth of anti-non Muslim bigotry in traditional Islam.

Hadith #8:


Because in traditional Islam, non-Muslims are lower in status than Muslims, a Muslim can't be executed even for deliberate murder of a non-Muslim. Such is the degree of respect for non-Muslim life in Hadith grounded Islam.

Instead of receiving a death sentence, the killer in an homicide may be fined to compensate the victim's family. In this fine, more proof of Muslim supremacy is evident.

usermane:
A Muslim's Guide To Study Qur'an

In pure Islam, you need to understand Qur'an by yourself. You read it, ponder it. Keep the literary context in mind, it provide any necessary historical context. Relate the verses with other verses even in other chapters.

Ask other Muslims their take on the verses and analyze them, critically analyze writings of alternate scholars, compare numerous translations, double check the Arabic wording of the verses.

Think, think, think. You're not bound by any 'official' interpretation, you decide the most fitting interpretation from your findings. Whatever you resolve, be objective and sincere.

usermane:
In pure Islam, Hadith are not considered divine or ideal basis for Qur'anic studies. Few hadith may help to understand verses, but the idea that Hadith is indispensable text for studying Qur'an is unfounded.

As Qur'an remain our frame of reference;
1 - Any Hadith contradicting Qur'an is rejected. E.g Qur'an order to say salat aloud V Hadith order to sometimes say salat silently.
2 - Any Hadith prescribing or prohibiting what Qur'an is silent on is negligible at best. E.g Qur'an silence on music and circumcision V Hadith respective prohibition and prescription of them.

This is the only near objective method of grading hadith. The traditionalists' method remain a subjective sham.

true2god:
Your opinion is subjective here and do not represent the opinion of mainstream Islam.

true2god:
Most ayah in the Qur'an do not make sense without the hadith to shed light on the context.

Sahih al-Bukhari » Book of Sales and Trade
Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:
A man decided that a slave of his would be manumitted after his death and later on he was in need of money, so the Prophet (ﷺ) took the slave and said, "Who will buy this slave from me?" Nu'aim bin `Abdullah bought him for such and such price and the Prophet (ﷺ) gave him the slave.