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Clinging To Collusion: Why Evidence Will Probably Never Be Produced by NairaMinted: 11:44pm On Jul 16, 2018
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/14/clinging-to-collusion-why-evidence-will-probably-never-be-produced-in-the-indictments-of-russian-agents/

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Until Friday however, the investigation into the allegations had produced no formal indictment of Russian government interference in the election. Like previous U.S. government accusations against Russia for alleged election meddling, the indictment makes assertions without providing evidence. Under U.S. law, indictments are not considered evidence. And it is highly unlikely that the government will ever have to produce any evidence in court.

The indictment makes clear [b]any evidence of an alleged hack of the DNC and DCCC computers did not come from the FBI, which was never given access to the computers by the DNC, but instead from the private firm CrowdStrike, which was hired by the DNC. It is referred to as Company 1 in the indictment.[/b]

One of CrowdStrike’s founders has ties to the anti-Russian Atlantic Council raising questions of political bias. And the software it used to determine Russia’s alleged involvement in the DNC hack, was later proved to be faulty in a high-profile case in Ukraine, reported by the Voice of America.

The indictment then is based at least partially on evidence produced by an interested private company, rather than the FBI.

....it is almost inconceivable that the U.S. government will have to present any evidence in court to back up its charges. This is simply because of the extreme unlikelihood that arrests of Russians living in Russia will ever be made.

In this way it is similar to the indictment earlier this year of the Internet Research Agency of St. Petersburg, Russia, a private click bait company that was alleged to have interfered in the 2016 election by buying social media ads and staging political rallies for both Clinton and Trump. It seemed that no evidence would ever have to back up the indictment because there would never be arrests in the case.

But Special Counsel Robert Mueller was stunned when lawyers for the internet company showed up in Washington demanding discovery in the case. That caused Mueller to scramble and demand a delay in the first hearing, which was rejected by a federal judge. Mueller is now battling to keep so-called sensitive material out of court.

The timing of the announcement was clearly intended to embarrass Trump as he was meeting the Queen and to undermine his upcoming meeting with Putin on July 16. The indictments may also have been meant to embarrass Russia two days before the World Cup final to be held in Moscow.
Re: Clinging To Collusion: Why Evidence Will Probably Never Be Produced by NairaMinted: 11:48pm On Jul 16, 2018
My commentary:

While I strongly suggest you read the entire article, these are 3 take-homes that are hard to ignore:

1. The FBI has never independently investigated the DNC server themselves. The DNC never gave the FBI access! Imagine the cops (or the FBI in this case) conducting an investigation and indciting individuals without ever carrying out any forensic investigation of the crime scene themselves!

But don't take my word for it; look it up yourself:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-director-comey-agency-requested-access-to-dnc-servers/
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/388507-trump-why-didnt-dnc-hand-over-hacked-server-to-fbi

2. The private company,CrowdStrike, that claims to have investigated the server is affiliated with the Atlantic Council, a pro-NATO, pro-war, pro- Military Industrial Complex think-tank.

But don't take my word for it; visit their Twitter page to be convinced on whose interests they represent for yourself.
https://twitter.com/AtlanticCouncil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Alperovitch


3. Mueller pulled this stunt earlier in the year where he indicted the Internet Research Agency of St. Petersburg, Russia, only to be stunned when the lawyers for the company showed up in court demanding discovery evidence. Mueller is stalling till today.

But don't take my word for it; look it up yourself:
https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/05/04/mueller-russia-interference-election-case-delay-570627
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/robert-mueller-tough-week-court-manafort/ (Read from this section: Judge Friedrich and the Russian-Troll-Farm Case in Washington)

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Re: Clinging To Collusion: Why Evidence Will Probably Never Be Produced by Abbeybailey(m): 11:50pm On Jul 16, 2018
NairaMinted:
My commentary:

While I strongly suggest you read the entire article, these are 3 take-homes that are hard to ignore:

1. The FBI has never independently investigated the DNC server themselves. The DNC never gave the FBI access! Imagine the cops (or the FBI in this case) conducting an investigation and indciting individuals without ever carrying out any forensic investigation of the crime scene themselves!

But don't take my word for it; look it up yourself:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-director-comey-agency-requested-access-to-dnc-servers/
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/388507-trump-why-didnt-dnc-hand-over-hacked-server-to-fbi

2. The private company,CrowdStrike, that claims to have investigated the server is affiliated with the Atlantic Council, a pro-NATO, pro-war, pro- Military Industrial Complex think-tank.

But don't take my word for it; visit their Twitter page to be convinced on whose interests they represent for yourself.
https://twitter.com/AtlanticCouncil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Alperovitch


3. Mueller pulled this stunt earlier in the year where he indicted the Internet Research Agency of St. Petersburg, Russia, only to be stunned when the lawyers for the company showed up in court demanding discovery evidence. Mueller is stalling till today.

But don't take my word for it; look it up yourself:
https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/05/04/mueller-russia-interference-election-case-delay-570627
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/robert-mueller-tough-week-court-manafort/ (Read from this section: Judge Friedrich and the Russian-Troll-Farm Case in Washington)
Garbage in garbage out. Mr copy and paste.

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Re: Clinging To Collusion: Why Evidence Will Probably Never Be Produced by NairaMinted: 12:22am On Jul 17, 2018
Abbeybailey:
Garbage in garbage out. Mr paste and copy.

1. You have to tell me where I've copied those comments from.

2. You have to debunk what you have so eruditely labeled garbage.

3. Since I'm certain you can't fulfill 1 and 2, I'd say you're the garbage.

Remain in the trashcan from whence you emerged.

PS: It's COPY AND PASTE by the way not paste and copy but I guess that gives me some insight into your level of education and exposure.

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Re: Clinging To Collusion: Why Evidence Will Probably Never Be Produced by Abbeybailey(m): 12:24am On Jul 17, 2018
NairaMinted:


1. You have to tell me where I've copied those comments from.

2. You have too debunk what you have so eruditely labeled garbage.

3. Since I'm certain you cant fulfill 1 and 2, I'd say you're the garbage.

Remain in the trashcan from whence you emerged.
Povertyminted, like I said , what you posted is garbage. Stay in your cave and hush your mouth because you don't have a clue about what's happening in US.

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Re: Clinging To Collusion: Why Evidence Will Probably Never Be Produced by NairaMinted: 12:50am On Jul 17, 2018
Abbeybailey:
Povertyminted, like I said , what you posted is garbage. Stay in your cave and hush your mouth because you don't have a clue about what's happening in US.

Lucas! smiley Is that you?! Lucas, Lucas! What happened to your original handle? Got banned for spewing rubbish eh? smiley

Are you still letting everybody that doesn't care to know that you live in heaven on earth(Amerika) eh? You must have really had it rough back in life that now that you've managed to cross over to Amerika (as you claim), it has become a daily habit for you to remind everyone where you live and where you're having breakfast. Omase! That would be the classic example of someone with an inferiority complex and poverty mentality.

Anyway, still waiting for you to answer my two simple questions. Failure to do so can only mean you are a troll with absolutely nothing to say or do. How can you just come here and say "garbage in, garbage ou"t and accuse me of "paste and copy" (LOL!) without basis? Don't you have something better to do? Olodo ni e!!

As a matter of fact, since you practically spend your entire life on Nairaland, it's very possible that you're in reality just some lazy, jobless Nigerian youth for all we know.

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Re: Clinging To Collusion: Why Evidence Will Probably Never Be Produced by Abbeybailey(m): 1:36am On Jul 17, 2018
NairaMinted:


Lucas! smiley Is that you?! Lucas, Lucas! What happened to your original handle? Got banned for spewing rubbish eh? smiley

Are you still letting everybody that doesn't care to know that you live in heaven on earth(Amerika) eh? You must have really had it rough back in life that now that you've managed to cross over to Amerika (as you claim), it has become a daily habit for you to remind everyone where you live and where you're having breakfast. Omase! That would be the classic example of someone with an inferiority complex and poverty mentality.

Anyway, still waiting for you to answer my two simple questions. Failure to do so can only mean you are a troll with absolutely nothing to say or do. How can you just come here and say "garbage in, garbage ou"t and accuse me of "paste and copy" (LOL!) without basis? Don't you have something better to do? Olodo ni e!!

As a matter of fact, since you practically spend your entire life on Nairaland, it's very possible that you're in reality just some lazy, jobless Nigerian youth for all we know.
Coming from an hungry cretin like you, will wear your scorn as a badge of honor. How come your country is in a funk with your worthless knowledge. It's after 1am in nigeria and i know the reason you couldn't go to sleep. It's inherited. I will be in Nigeria for about 8 days in August and i wouldn't mind to meet you but i know you will decline because some of you guys are not delightful to the eyes. I will feed you and your whole brood without missing a beat. Back to the garbage you posted, we have 16 Intelligence Agencies in America and all the big honchos were appointed by Trampy and they all come to the conclusion that Russia interfered with 2016 election and overwhelming majority of Americans agree with them but the vile pig and brainstems like you disagree. Paul Manafort, trump campaign chairman is in jail right now. Gen Mike Flynn, his first National Security Adviser pleaded guilty already and so are four others. More than 30 people have been indicted already. What else do a know nothing clown like you need . You live in a titanic but a failure in life like you barely ekking out a living is mouthing off because you can hustle for N200 to buy your worthless data. Go fvck yourself Povertyminted.

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Re: Clinging To Collusion: Why Evidence Will Probably Never Be Produced by Appleyard(m): 10:46am On Jul 18, 2018
There is no evidence of collusion. But since time does not run against the state, this charade will continue.

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Re: Clinging To Collusion: Why Evidence Will Probably Never Be Produced by Abbeybailey(m): 11:55am On Jul 18, 2018
Appleyard:
There is no evidence of collusion. But since time does not run against the state, this charade will continue.

No evidence of collusion and Five people very close to Trump pleaded guilty already and 30 people are under indictment. Even the top Republican honchos in America are accepting the fact that there's a good evidence of collusion. The young ( Ms Butina ) lady fronting for Russia was just indicted the other day for being unregistered foreign agent. I don't know what's wrong with guys like you displaying your ignorance about a country you know nothing about. The more you guys try to show that you are smart, the more you exhibit your ignorance. With all the woes you guys are facing in Nigeria, that doesn't draw your umbrage but spouting garbage about America is what makes you happy. There is a reason 70% of Americans support Director Mueller to continue his work and no amount of noise from clowns outside of America can stop the investigation.

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Re: Clinging To Collusion: Why Evidence Will Probably Never Be Produced by Jodhar: 9:35pm On Jul 18, 2018
Mueller and his team are just wasting time and resources, they will never find evidence of any collusion between trump and Russia
Re: Clinging To Collusion: Why Evidence Will Probably Never Be Produced by NairaMinted: 9:42pm On Jul 18, 2018
Abbeybailey:
No evidence of collusion and Five people very close to Trump pleaded guilty already and 30 people are under indictment. Even the top Republican honchos in America are accepting the fact that there's a good evidence of collusion.

Michael Cohen:

Being investigated for possible bank and tax fraud
Being investigated for possible campaign law violation in connection with a payment to a porn actress and perhaps other matters having to do with foreign support to Trump’s 2016 campaign


Michael Flynn:

Pleaded guilty in to lying to Federal Bureau of Investigation agents about his contacts with Russia


Paul Manafort:

Facing two indictments in different federal courts brought by Mueller. Charges against him include conspiring to launder money, failing to register as a foreign agent in connection with his lobbying for the previously pro-Russia Ukrainian government, bank fraud and filing false tax returns


Rick Gates:

Pleaded guilty in February to conspiracy against the United States and lying to investigators


George Papadopoulos:

Pleaded guilty to lying to FBI agents about his contacts with Russia


Again, I ask you, olodo, where is the collusion eh, Mr. "good evidence of collusion" ?? Or is English a difficult language for you?


Abbeybailey:
The young ( Ms Butina ) lady fronting for Russia was just indicted the other day for being unregistered foreign agent.

Frenzied media propaganda has affected your ability for independent thought and common sense. Every Russian lobbyist is now fair game for the authorities . They all have nefarious intent and they are all connected to Putin. Lol! This rule however doesn't apply to lobbyists from Saudi Arabia, Israel, Ukraine, Nigeria,. The Russians are everywhere and the red scare is real! They are under the beds of every Amerikan...


#McCarthyism

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Re: Clinging To Collusion: Why Evidence Will Probably Never Be Produced by NairaMinted: 9:46pm On Jul 18, 2018
Meanwhile, how is this for trolling? smiley

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Re: Clinging To Collusion: Why Evidence Will Probably Never Be Produced by Abbeybailey(m): 9:47pm On Jul 18, 2018
NairaMinted:


Michael Cohen:

Being investigated for possible bank and tax fraud
Being investigated for possible campaign law violation in connection with a payment to a porn actress and perhaps other matters having to do with foreign support to Trump’s 2016 campaign


Michael Flynn:

Pleaded guilty in to lying to Federal Bureau of Investigation agents about his contacts with Russia


Paul Manafort:

Facing two indictments in different federal courts brought by Mueller. Charges against him include conspiring to launder money, failing to register as a foreign agent in connection with his lobbying for the previously pro-Russia Ukrainian government, bank fraud and filing false tax returns


Rick Gates:

Pleaded guilty in February to conspiracy against the United States and lying to investigators


George Papadopoulos:

Pleaded guilty to lying to FBI agents about his contacts with Russia


Again, I ask you, olodo, where is the collusion eh, Mr. "good evidence of collusion" ?? Or is English a difficult language for you?




Frenzied media propaganda has affected your ability for independent thought and common sense. Every Russian lobbyist is now fair game for the authorities . They all have nefarious intent and they are all connected to Putin. Lol! This rule however doesn't apply to lobbyists from Saudi Arabia, Israel, Ukraine, Nigeria,. The Russians are everywhere and the red scare is real! They are under the beds of every Amerikan...


#McCarthyism
You have to go hustle for your usual N200 to buy data before you can reply me with your basura. You have no say in the happenings here anyway. You are just a loudmouth from africa trying to be recognized. We that are truly involved here are just patiently waiting for November 6 to take our pound of flesh from the Republikkan Party. You can foam in the mouth from your unlit cave all you want but the bottom line is you are of no consequence when it comes to America.
Re: Clinging To Collusion: Why Evidence Will Probably Never Be Produced by Naza25: 11:50pm On Jul 19, 2018
There was no collusion, it's just a figment of the imagination of deluded individuals

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