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Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by felele(m): 11:04pm On Jun 13, 2010 |
Fashola has been touting the amount of money his government has been raising monthly from taxes since he assumed office. He recently boasted that they now raise about N14b IGR per month. This is commendable. However, for the last three years his government has also announced budgets in excess of N400b per annum. If one adds the Federal Allocation accruable to the state at around N4b per month, that adds up to about N48b federal allocation plus around N168b IGR to give us a figure of about N216b per annum approximately. This means we've had a budget deficit of over N180b per annum, year on year, over the last 3 years. My question is, how is that deficit being financed. I think we'll find the answer in a number of syndicated loans, offshore and onshore, as well as dubious bond issues on the money markets. In my estimation, Lagos State is probably indebted right now to the tune of about N1 trillion, due largely to the massive debt carried over from the Tinubu regime, yet, Eko O ni Baje! |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by Kobojunkie: 11:08pm On Jun 13, 2010 |
@Poster, even before I choose to do my research, I will say this. To get to where we need to be, there is NO AVOIDING debt of some kind. That being said, I will also say that I wish all that debt were spent FIRST on ensuring majority of the basics are available, not just for the rich but also for the poor in the state. Now, I will go back and do my research and then come back to post some more . . . |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by seanet02: 11:19pm On Jun 13, 2010 |
Stop talking jargons here, this forum is not meant for rogues like you, if you cant reason with your sense, go somewhere else, Fashola is the best performing governor, even if he takes loans to financed the state, he is using the money judiciously, he is not like your forefathers that wasted billions without doing anything |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by Beaf: 11:26pm On Jun 13, 2010 |
Firstly, I don't believe the debt figures given for Lagos. Secondly, money makes money. There is no successful business without some degree of risk and debt. Fashola has a lot of foresight and should be left to modernise Lagos. Why can't people be satisfied? Who would you prefer as governor, Akala or Yerima? Be ecstatic with what you've got. Fashola's only mistake has been employing that toad called babapupa. |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by Osama10(m): 11:33pm On Jun 13, 2010 |
Fashola has done well, I think he is the most performing govenor, am from delta state and see the big gap. |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by felele(m): 11:51pm On Jun 13, 2010 |
It would not be a problem if there were not such a massive amount of over-invoicing going on. In fact, the Fashola regime is defined by it. The LASAA issue is the tip of the iceberg. The grossly inflated flower planting contracts, the Deux Projects contracts at the LASUTH complex, which landed Tunji Olowolafe in EFCC's clutches for about a week, are just on the surface. Scratch a little deeper, and you will unearth a can of worms. |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by 4Play(m): 12:09am On Jun 14, 2010 |
It's something to worry about. However, the debt is owed to mainly domestic creditors and I would presume the Federal Govt would step in when, inevitably, Lagos starts struggling to service its debt. Financial debt, which increased by about NGN70bn in 2008-09, amounted to NGN124bn at end 2009, if netted from about NGN12bn of provisions into the debt reserve fund, and remains likely to rise to NGN350bn by 2012, eventually surging close to 100% of the state's annual operating revenue. The debt coverage ratio could therefore worsen to about three years of the current balance over the medium term, from an average one year in 2005-2009, while the debt service coverage ratio should remain around 2x the operating surplus. Read more: http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=201003311130dowjonesdjonline000538&title=press-releasefitch-affirms-nigerias-lagos-state-at-bb-/aa-nga#ixzz0qmEpzXih A more incisive analysis here: The Elephant in the Room – Lagos State’s Exploding Debt http://www.nigerianinquirer.com/2010/05/30/lagos-states-fiscal-crisis-and-fasholas-big-bonds-gamble/ At the end of the day, it's Fashola's successor who will inherit the problem. Nigerians today still blame IBB and Abacha for a debt overhang, and the attendant economic crises, that actually accrued during the MM/OBJ and Shagari eras. |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by Kobojunkie: 12:11am On Jun 14, 2010 |
seanet02: Could you please shut up already if you have nothing meaningful to contribute? Stop posting like some out of control BLOCKHEAD . . . it is also ok to not post anything at all if you have nothing SERIOUS to offer! |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by Kobojunkie: 12:18am On Jun 14, 2010 |
seanet02: That actually applies to you and yours, has nothing to do with me at all . . . NEXT! |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by PapaBrowne(m): 1:08am On Jun 14, 2010 |
There is a strong correlation between indebtedness and development. The more developed a country, the greater its debt. That should tell us that debt is good as long as it is used judiciously. From the look of things, Fashola is making maximum use of whatever debt he is obtaining. Below is a list of the top ten most indebted countries in the world. If you notice, the greater the economy, the larger the debt. So the fact that Lagos is incurring debt and utilizing such for infrastructural development is definitely a good thang!! Look at Luxembourg- With a Population 500,000 residents, they have a debt hangover of almost 2 Trillion dollars. And guess what: They are the richest country in the world. Abeg, I will rather accumulate as much debt as possible and have the best in infrastructure, than be debt free and remain a pauper with decrepit slums like Oshodi. Figures are in Trillions USD.
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Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by puskin: 2:02am On Jun 14, 2010 |
Since debt is a good thing. . . .Fashola pls borrow more money and use it wisely and judiciously as uv always done. |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by Nobody: 2:23am On Jun 14, 2010 |
poster, I like your ID tho. Back to topic. . . . na 2 day? |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by nigerfine: 2:27am On Jun 14, 2010 |
Thank you papabrowne, I am IBO but FASHOLA CARRY GO TO PRESIDENCY, Borrow and make us happy, The last time i was at Oshodi i did not know it was the place i left about 4years ago. |
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Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by mbulela: 2:31am On Jun 14, 2010 |
papabrowne, i am with you. As long as the debt are not squandered or used for white elephant projects like Tinapa, the projects will service the debt. It is unintelligent politicizing the use of debt for developmental projects. I wonder how exchanging e-insults make any look stronger or intelligent? If you can't make your point without insulting others, you are a weakling of the highest order. |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by Nobody: 2:33am On Jun 14, 2010 |
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Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by paddylo1(m): 2:37am On Jun 14, 2010 |
@Poster, even before I choose to do my research, I will say this. To get to where we need to be, there is NO AVOIDING debt of some kind. That being said, I will also say that I wish all that debt were spent FIRST on ensuring majority of the basics are available, not just for the rich but also for the poor in the state.@Kobojunkie. . u do not borrow money or raise bonds to spend on recurrent,non capital expenditure u raise bonds to invest in infrastructure that will payback the loan 10/15yrs from now,like roads,bridges,ports,power stations and so on. . . To keep it simple. .its like borrowing money to spend on food. .if u do that u eat the food and remain poor when it comes time to pay back But if u borrow to spend on building a factory or real estate to rent out then u have an appreciating asset to make u money over the lifetime of the loan and after |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by paddylo1(m): 2:46am On Jun 14, 2010 |
This means we've had a budget deficit of over N180b per annum, year on year, over the last 3 years. well your estimation is wrong. . .Total outstanding debt today is in the region of N120bln. . . There was a N275billion bond authorized,but only N100bln or thearabouts has been tapped Pls go and investigate the debt profile of cities like Johannesburg,Los Angeles,Jakarta,New York and so on. .see it is likely to be much higher They dont build good roads,bridges and have services like trash removal for free u know. . . Lagos state Debt to GDP is actually very low. . GDP is estimated at $30bln. .while outstanding debts is about $1billion Debt burden only becomes unsustainable when Debt to GDP exceeds 50% Also dont forget the tenure. . If its longer tenure like 5yrs - 10yrs. . then its no big deal as opposed to short term funds in 1 - 2yrs maturity Like some others have mentioned here u borrow money to get rich by investing in yourself. . .If not u wallow in poverty,and mediocrity The choice is yours |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by OAM4J: 3:52am On Jun 14, 2010 |
paddy_lo: Thank you. Needless to say more. I think we can afford to close this thread now. . . Next? Eko o ni baje |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by Nobody: 3:53am On Jun 14, 2010 |
Eko to ti baje tan |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by seanet02: 4:07am On Jun 14, 2010 |
@henry46 I know Nigerias problem is not only the elite and the ruling class, but also dead thinking faculties like you and your co-antagonists who can not just use their reasoning arsenal (no matter how small it is)for the betterment of the people and the nation. You are just one of the people who will sell their hometown for a thousand bucks even when their father is still alive. You are a complete disgrace to your family, that is if your family is not like the ubas of anambra, your thinking well has gone empty. You just cant use your small senses. |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by OAM4J: 4:13am On Jun 14, 2010 |
FL Gators: Ti Eko ba ti baje tan, ki lo fe so nipa Ekiti, pelu gbogbo iranu ti Oni nse nbe? Make you no let me talk o. |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by seanet02: 4:17am On Jun 14, 2010 |
@henry46 if proper investigation is done on people like you, may be you are of the popular touts that FASHOLA disgrace from oshodi, if not why could you be venting your anger on me, you dont have any senses because you have sold your reasoning portion to the poverty development party. There is nothing idiots like you can do stop FASHOLA, he is better than silly sights like you who wait for the fall of great men. A very big question, did you ever reason in your frustrated and unbeneficial life? |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by rikkyjen(m): 4:22am On Jun 14, 2010 |
13% on Lagos Bonds. . . Why didn't my people on the ground tell me this While the US treasury bonds i got myself into is paying 3- 4 %, Las Gidi dey pay triple. . .Yes, i know dollars strong and weigh pass naira, but still i need to investigate this LASG bond and give Fashola more money |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by seanet02: 4:30am On Jun 14, 2010 |
@flgators,@henry46 and @poster. You all are morons, hired nairalanders hired by conservatives to destroy LAGOS, your mothers made a very big mistake, you should all have been washed away cos you are all moral and problematic burdens for us in Nigeria. You will all go to hell for being antiFASHOLA. |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by OAM4J: 4:37am On Jun 14, 2010 |
seanet02: free flgators, she was only kidding. (note her use of smiley) |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by Nobody: 4:37am On Jun 14, 2010 |
OAM4J:ah ahn. o ni wa dake, sugbon o tun n soro ni? La oju re daada. Emi ni mo aso awosodo obirin ninu aworan yen. |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by Nobody: 4:42am On Jun 14, 2010 |
OAM4J:Thanks, but you really shouldnt have entertain him. I prefer to ignore dimwits that deems it fit to insult my mother that has nothing to do with my posts. Were ni won n pe alakori yen. |
Re: Lagos State Is Sinking In A Sea Of Debt by OAM4J: 4:47am On Jun 14, 2010 |
FL Gators: Mo ti la oju mi. . . hen hen, mo ri aworan eni kan ti aya e kun die, sugbon mi o ri oju e. Ti o ko ba mind, se o le je ki nri aworan e to current, mo ti gbo iroyin pupo ni pa Oshodi oke e |
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