frbona:
Fact: mary is mother of God the son
Not God the father.
Enough with the word play

it is still the same thing, mother of God the son, mother of God incarnate, mother of God.


Nobody called her mother of God the father that is heresy, God the father wasn't incarnate.



The least you can do is check out the meaning of the term before you begin your criticism.

Is your mother the same as your God? Even though she gave birth to you ?

That Mary is the mother of Jesus does not make her greater than him?

John 1:1 Says "the Word was God"
John 1:14 Says "the Word was made flesh"
1 John 4:2 Mary is his Mother. She is the Mother of God simple.
If you say she is not the mother of God then, you are saying that Jesus is not God.

Just as I started, that mother gave birth to you does not make her your God.

blueAgent:


The funny thing is all through the Bible Jesus never called Mary Mother rather he used the expression Woman to address Mary .exaltation of Mary to celebrity & godlike status was invented by your Church it is not scriptural.

gbam

blueAgent:




Why not you and your Church stick to calling Mary mother of Jesus alone, if that is even relevant?

that is pretty simple, we call her mother of Jesus because that is who she is, we also call her mother of our savior because that is who she is, we call her mother of our Lord and God because that is who she is but we actually particularly use the later title because it is an implicit declaration that we believe in the divinity of Jesus, it means clearly that I believe Jesus is God.



Lastly you ask about the relevance, I suggest you Read up on the nestorian heresy AKA Nestorianism, that particular phrase means the church believes in the hypostatic union, the true identity of Jesus.... Those who deny is are the nestorians who divide the nature of Christ.

doyinbaby:
gbam

Now if really want to know the why He used "Woman".
Woman represents her role. if you have a mother who is a warrior! You may chose to call her by more exalted title "Warrior"

Genesis 2:23 Adam called Eve Woman. (The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man). Jesus even has same reason to call Mary so, because His biological make up (flesh&bones) was from her alone (unlike those who have a biological father and mother. Jesus only had a biological mother ).

Genesis 3:15 prophesied about another Woman

Rev 12: 1 talks about the Woman clothed in the Sun.

When Jesus calls her Woman, He is referring to her office.

If my brother is a soldier, I may chose to call him Soldier. It is his mission, it would spur him, that is who he is .

Woman is an exalted title.

Let it be far from you to think Jesus was disrespectful. You know it was God who gave the fourth commandment. Trust me no one fulfilled that law more than Jesus. "Honour your Father and Mother".

MuttleyLaff:
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None of them on the issue are kids

Are you minding blueAgent splitting hairs
He just wanted to take a jab at Catholics

PS: Ubenedictus, its MuttleyLaff by the way and not Mutteylaff, there are two ls and not one l, in the moniker

taking a jab at Catholics can be a good past time but at least one shouldn't do it until after fully considering the issue.

Your username is pretty confusing, I'll try and correct myself

MosesAlex:


Now if really want to know the why He used "Woman".
Woman represents her role. if you have a mother who is a warrior! You may chose to call her by more exalted title "Warrior"

Genesis 2:23 Adam called Eve Woman. (The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man). Jesus even has same reason to call Mary so, because atleast His biological make up was from her alone (unlike those who have a biological father and mother. Jesus only had a biological mother ).

Genesis 3:15 prophesied about another Woman

Rev 12: 1 talks about the Woman clothed in the Sun.

When Jesus calls her Woman, He is referring to her office.

If my brother is a soldier, I may chose to call him Soldier. It is his mission, it would spur him, that is who he is .

Woman is an exalted title.

Let it be far from you to think Jesus was disrespectful. You know it was God who gave the fourth commandment. Trust me no one fulfilled that law more than Jesus. "Honour your Father and Mother".

when in the Bible is making graven image of Mary recommend,justified or commanded.......... catholic church keep leading millions to bow to graven image of Mary..... it is wrong and will always be wrong

blueAgent:


I rather go to hell for my personal wrong idea than going to Hell becos i leased out my brain to some fake popes and fathers to do the thinking for me.

You Catholic members are sheepie.

yet thus far you are the person who seems to have leased your mind to anti Catholic bias

doyinbaby:
when in the Bible is making graven image of Mary recommend,justified or commanded.......... catholic church keep leading millions to bow to graven image of Mary..... it is wrong and will always be wrong

here comes the usual Protestant unable to hold a simple discussion so has to jump from topic to topic.


You just can't stick to the topic of your thread

Ubenedictus:
here comes the usual Protestant unable to hold a simple discussion so has to jump from topic to topic.


You just can't stick to the topic of your thread

all I know is the scales are fall of some Catholics.....you will see that some not bow to those images again..... people are getting enlightened as we keep hammering that it is a sin before God to bow to graven image

Ubenedictus, pls consider this. The apostle in all their letters inspired by the Holy Ghost never made mentioned of any devotion to Mary.

Mary was just a vessel through which God used to accomplish his will. Mary role ended after she gave birth to Jesus.

Friend think about it.

bloodofthelamb:
Ubenedictus, pls consider this. The apostle in all their letters inspired by the Holy Ghost never made mentioned of any devotion to Mary.

Mary was just a vessel through which God used to accomplish his will. Mary role ended after she gave birth to Jesus.

Friend think about it.

my dear I am willing to consider these issues with you, to address your misconceptions and clarify ambiguities but sadly that is not the topic of THIS thread... I am most happy to discuss the role of Mary


but the issue before me today is about the use of the phrase mother of God which I have consistently held to be right and doctrinally correct.

It is this topic that we are discussing today and it is offensive to me whenever people attempt to divert the discussion we are having instead of creating a new thread.

Bloodofthelamb I ask you this, did Mary give birth to her God, her Lord, her creator, or not?

Mary was never called mother of God in the bible it was all concocted by the Roman Catholic cult.
Jesus never called Mary mother, he only called those who listen to listens to him his mother and brethren.
Mark 3:31
There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.

Mark 3:32
And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.

Mark 3:33
And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?

Mark 3:34
And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

Mark 3:35
For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.


with this verses Jesus shewed that he does not place special importance on his mother or brothers .

the term mother of God is wrong.

Ubenedictus:
yet thus far you are the person who seems to have leased your mind to anti Catholic bias

On what is your Church doctrine based on?

Ubenedictus:
that is pretty simple, we call her mother of Jesus because that is who she is, we also call her mother of our savior because that is who she is, we call her mother of our Lord and God because that is who she is but we actually particularly use the later title because it is an implicit declaration that we believe in the divinity of Jesus, it means clearly that I believe Jesus is God.



Lastly you ask about the relevance, I suggest you Read up on the nestorian heresy AKA Nestorianism, that particular phrase means the church believes in the hypostatic union, the true identity of Jesus.... Those who deny is are the nestorians who divide the nature of Christ.

Same false reference, show me Bible verses not worthless books written by men without evil motives.

Ubenedictus:
yet thus far you are the person who seems to have leased your mind to anti Catholic bias

I was born into a Catholic family on my paternal side but i broke off from there brainwashing becos i saw the errors and i have the capacity to think for myself not you.

blueAgent:



I was born into a Catholic family on my paternal side but i broke off from there brainwashing becos i saw the errors and i have the capacity to think for myself not you.

I told a friend about some wrong doctrines around Mary.....he got angry......... please how can one get his catholic friends to accept the truth of God's word.....
Why is convincing catholics so difficult ....... this my friend Na charismatic o him sabi bible

frbona:
what does Luke27:28 say in your bible cause I can't find it in mine

Missing in mine too! And I do hate my Bible being incomplete !

Gracelilian:
You're sick

AND YOU DISCOVERED THIS BY READING HIS ANALYSIS STILL WITH THE BLINDFOLD OVER YOUR FACE?

doyinbaby:
I told a friend about some wrong doctrines around Mary.....he got angry......... please how can one get his catholic friends to accept the truth of God's word.....
Why is convincing catholics so difficult ....

SAME REASON CONVINCING YOU YOUR GODS ARE IMAGINARY IS DIFFICULT.

Ubenedictus:
that is pretty simple, we call her mother of Jesus because that is who she is, we also call her mother of our savior because that is who she is, we call her mother of our Lord and God because that is who she is but we actually particularly use the later title because it is an implicit declaration that we believe in the divinity of Jesus, it means clearly that I believe Jesus is God..

If Jesus is the God, as some claim, born of the Virgin Mary, "full of Grace", then by implication, Mary is God's mother!

The error however, is in defying Jesus, a fault that is general to Christianity. They have created a god in their own image while not acknowledging the commandment not to and have spent the past 2000 years trying to justify their error and make it fit the texts.

Ubenedictus:
Bloodofthelamb I ask you this, did Mary give birth to her God, her Lord, her creator, or not?

He probably has to say yes, being that he is a Christian, but the answer is no!

Mary gave birth to her son, Jesus! A mother cannot give birth to her creator, and mothers don't normally worship their sons!

budaatum:

Missing in mine too! And I do hate my Bible being incomplete !

doyinbaby:
all I know is the scales are fall of some Catholics.....you will see that some not bow to those images again..... people are getting enlightened as we keep hammering that it is a sin before God to bow to graven image

at the same time many Protestants are seeing that Protestantism isn't interpreting the Bible rightly and are becoming Catholics.

solite3:
Mary was never called mother of God in the bible it was all concocted by the Roman Catholic cult.
Jesus never called Mary mother, he only called those who listen to listens to him his mother and brethren.
Mark 3:31
There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.

Mark 3:32
And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.

Mark 3:33
And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?

Mark 3:34
And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

Mark 3:35
For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.


with this verses Jesus shewed that he does not place special importance on his mother or brothers .

the term mother of God is wrong.

I can't still find the passage that says the term mother of God is wrong

blueAgent:

On what is your Church doctrine based on?

1. scriptures
2 Timothy 3:16-17 New International Version (NIV) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

2. apostolic traditions.

2 thess 2:15

New International Version So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

doyinbaby:
I told a friend about some wrong doctrines around Mary.....he got angry......... please how can one get his catholic friends to accept the truth of God's word.....
Why is convincing catholics so difficult ....... this my friend Na charismatic o him sabi bible

or maybe you assumed that his doctrines are wrong and confronted him....


instead of asking him to explain them and there source.

blueAgent:



Same false reference, show me Bible verses not worthless books written by men without evil motives.

I didn't show you any books written by men, please don't accuse me of what I haven't done.


Jesus is God John 1:1
some one gave birth to him Luke 2

that person gave birth to God.



the fact that you disagree doesn't make is untrue.

blueAgent:



I was born into a Catholic family on my paternal side but i broke off from there brainwashing becos i saw the errors and i have the capacity to think for myself not you.

your maternal side nkor?

doyinbaby:
when in the Bible is making graven image of Mary recommend,justified or commanded.......... catholic church keep leading millions to bow to graven image of Mary..... it is wrong and will always be wrong

My dear, you left what was addressed. Which is why Jesus called Mary "Woman" and jumped to another topic. Well I would touch the new topic you brought up images. (I hope you would stick to it).

On images
To understand the our use of images try and consider the Ark of the Covenant vs the Golden Calf, the Ark of the Covenant Vs Dagon (1 Samuel 5:2 )

Joshua 7:6
Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the LORD, remaining there till evening. The elders of Israel did the same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.

Question: Was Joshua worshiping the Ark?

1King 7:36

He engraved cherubim, lions and palm trees on the surfaces of the supports and on the panels, in every available space, with wreaths all around.
Question: Where these not in God's Temple as put in place by Solomon?

On Bowing 1 Samuel 20:41
After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with his face to the ground.

Question: Was David worshiping Jonathan?

MosesAlex:


My dear, you left what was addressed. Which is why Jesus called Mary "Woman" and jumped to another topic. Well I would touch the new topic you brought up images. (I hope you would stick to it).

On images
To understand the our use of images try and consider the Ark of the Covenant vs the Golden Calf, the Ark of the Covenant Vs Dagon (1 Samuel 5:2 )

Joshua 7:6
Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the LORD, remaining there till evening. The elders of Israel did the same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.

Question: Was Joshua worshiping the Ark?

1King 7:36

He engraved cherubim, lions and palm trees on the surfaces of the supports and on the panels, in every available space, with wreaths all around.
Question: Where these not in God's Temple as put in place by Solomon?

On Bowing 1 Samuel 20:41
After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with his face to the ground.

Question: Was David worshiping Jonathan?

you've made no point

Ubenedictus:



1. scriptures

2 Timothy 3:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for
teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in
righteousness, so that the servant of God may be
thoroughly equipped for every good work.


2. apostolic traditions.


2 thess 2:15


New International Version
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold
fast to the teachings we passed on to you,
whether by word of mouth or by letter.

Be true to yourself. What Catholics are observing now are they the teachings of the apostles? Because they did no devotion to Mary.

Their devotion was to God the Father and Jesus Christ through the Holy Ghost. If you find any of their teaching on Mary, please show me. I will like to read.

Ubenedictus:
I can't still find the passage that says the term mother of God is wrong

you can't see it cause the god of this world has blinded you.
2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

frbona:
you've made no point

I am simply saying that the ark of the convenant had the image of cherubims on it but the ark was an instrument of God's power.

The Israelites were not worshiping the Ark when they prostrated towards it.

The temple of old had images in them.

My response is towards the lady's comment