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WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 10:37am On Jul 27, 2018
WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM
It is the understanding of a person or thing that should make for appreciation or otherwise of that thing. Majority of Christians know little or nothing about Islam. This series is to elicit this better knowledge and understanding of Islam.

In most instances the source materials to be used will be the ones generated and expressed by the most important Moslem scholars. Incidentally Islamic literature give us very detailed information about Islam and Mohamed.

To truly understand Islam, the objective evaluator needs to rely on what Islamic books and ‘prophet’ prescribed rather than the propaganda spread by Moslems and their allies. Therefore, the true position of Islam on any issue is based not on what any supporter of Islam says but on what the driving documents of Islam’s philosophy state. At the end of the day this is what pitches Islam against every other faith and equally pitches Moslem against Moslem when one side perceives the other as not “fully” following the precepts set down by Islam’s sacred literature and figures.

Introductory Words
Islam originated in the 7th century AD in Arabia; geographically today’s Middle East. The founder of the religion was Mohamed (lived about 570-632 AD). The basic guiding documents for Islam are (1) the Quran/Koran and (2) the Hadiths. The quran is viewed by Moslems to be the verbatim word of Allah, the god of Islam. The hadiths are recordings of the teachings and lifestyle of Mohamed.

There are also the biographies written of Mohamed. These came long after the death of Mohamed. The first one appeared 150 years after he died – imagine if the life history of a man who died in 1868 is written, from oral traditions, for the first time today. Muhammad Ibn Ishaq ibn Yasar (704-773) wrote it. The original has more or less vanished, and today we have a version EDITED by a man who died 60 years after Ibn Ishaq and who eliminated “things which it is disgraceful to discuss; matters which would distress certain people”. So, some “matters” were edited out of what we have today. Were these “matters” things that would clearly NOT portray Mohamed as a “model for all mankind”?

I shall be using these two basic documents and the biography of Mohamed to present what Islam and its prophet say about the religion.

Did Mohamed Write the Quran/Koran?
Mohamed NEVER wrote down the quran directly or personally. Even though Mohamed had a SECRETARY he never dictated the quran to his Secretary to write down.

Here’s how the quran came:
- Mohamed would receive revelation.
- He would RECITE it to his followers.
- His followers would memorise or write them down – not Mohamed himself.
- The followers wrote them down in: pieces of bones, parchments, leaf-stalks of date palms and in the memories of men who knew it by heart.
The quran at the time of Mohamed was not in a book form.
Only bits and pieces were written here and there by Mohamed’s followers.
It was actually meant to be memorised.
This was how the quran was for several years.
Again, for emphasis sake: Mohamed NEVER wrote down the quran directly or personally.

Implication: With many different hands involved in getting the quran compilation, the question of authenticity becomes very critical. We have no idea which of the Prophet’s scattered revelations the compilers found or missed out. There is strong evidence that things got omitted.

The Companions of Mohamed, at least a significant number of them, are said to have memorized many of his recitations. Could their memories never have failed? Oral stories have a tendency to change over time, and they cannot be relied upon to construct a reliable, systematic history. In addition, we would have to assume that the Companions of Mohamed heard and understood him perfectly.

With so many different hands involved in the initial recording and eventual compilation of the quran the questions Moslems have not been able to answer are: Were all of these people INSPIRED by Allah to do this work? Or was it only Mohamed who received the inspiration for the quran? If ALL the hands involved were inspired then Islam CANNOT claim that Mohamed was the last messenger of Allah – Allah had to COMMISSION other messengers to complete what Mohamed started. If only Mohamed was inspired and he did not put together any single compilation of the quran then we cannot trust that the work of men who were NOT SENT by Allah to do what they did is genuine. Either way a big shadow is cast on the quran and Islam.

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 10:38am On Jul 27, 2018
How Did the Koran Come About?
The traditional account is that the Koran (Quran) was revealed to Mohamed, usually by an angel, bit by bit over a period of years until his death in 632 A.D. It is not clear how much of the koran had been written down by the time of Mohamed’s death, but there was no single manuscript in which Mohamed himself had collected all the revelations.

There are different accounts as to how exactly the koran was eventually put together into one volume.

According to one tradition, during Abu Bakr’s brief caliphate (632-634), ‘Umar, who himself was to succeed to the caliphate in 634, became worried at the fact that so many Moslems who had known the koran by heart were killed during the Battle of Yamama, in Central Arabia. There was a real danger that parts of the Koran would be permanently lost unless a collection of the koran was made before more of those who knew this or that part of the koran by heart were killed. Abu Bakr eventually gave approval to such a project, and asked Zayd ibn Thabit, the former secretary of the Prophet, to undertake this daunting task. So Zayd proceeded to collect the koran "from pieces of papyrus, flat stones, palm leaves, shoulder blades and ribs of animals, pieces of leather and wooden boards, as well as from the hearts of men." Zayd then copied out what he had collected on sheets or leaves.

There are different versions of this tradition with some claiming that Abu Bakr was not even involved at all. Incidentally, unlike modern Moslems who tenaciously hold on to the impossible position that not a single letter of the present day koran has been altered, Moslem scholars of the early years of Islam were far more flexible, realizing that parts of the Koran were lost, perverted, and that there were many thousand variants which made it impossible to talk of a “perfect” koran.

Nevertheless, for focus sake let’s take the story as follows:

Compilation Initiated
Abu Bakr, after a war, several years after Mohamed, in which many of those who memorised the quran died, decided to put everything into writing so that the REMAINING portions of the memorised RECITATIONS (koran) will not be lost.
“Many (of the passages) of the Quran that were sent down were known by those who died on the day of Yamama … but they were not known (by those who) survived them, nor were they written down, nor had Abu Bakr, Umar or Uthman (by that time) collected the Quran, nor were they found with even one (person) after them.”
- Ibn Abi Dawud, Kitab al-Masahif

Note that:
- Many who died in the battle died with the koranic passages they had memorised.
- The passages were not written down.
- No collection was made up till the time of the people mentioned.
- No single person had every portion of the RECITATIONS (koran).

So, Abu Bakr wanted to collect all that was left into a single volume. Incidentally other Moslems in other parts of the Islamic Empire at that time also compiled the koran (the recitations) and had their own variant compilations.

The Collection Under Uthman
Years later, Uthman, who became the Kalif (Caliph), after complaints about these variant compilations then decided to make a fresh compilation.

This is what Uthman did after making his compilation:
“Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur’anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt”
- Sahih Bukhari 4987

So, Uthman:
- Compiled his own koran.
- Sent a copy of his version to every Moslem province of his time.
- Ordered all other recitations to be burnt.

Interestingly the top koranic reciters of Mohamed did not agree with parts of Uthman’s compilations!

The top man of these reciters – Abdula ibn Masud for instance did not believe Sura 1 (Chapter 1) – the Al-Fatiha – and some other chapters should be in the koran. He said it was the prayers they (Moslems) used to say and was not a revelation that Mohamed RECITED to them as koran.

Another quotation throws up this argument:
“Umar said, “Ubayy was the best of us in the recitation (of the quran), yet we leave some of what he recites.” Ubayy says, “I have taken it from the mouth of Allah’s Messenger and will not leave it for anything whatever”
- Sahih al-Bukhari 5005

Here we see:
- That what one of the best reciters of the koran had was left out in the compilation.
- There were already problems among early Moslem communities about the content and composition of the koran.
Lost Portions

Moslem sources actually show us that entire chapters, passages, verses and phrases were lost.

“Abu Musa al-Ashari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Quran and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you”
- Sahih Muslim 2286
He then continued:
“… we used to recite a Surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Baraat. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it: “If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust.” And we used to recite a Surah which resembled one of the Surahs of Musabbihat [i.e. chapter 9], and I have forgotten it … “

Note this:
- This portion quoted above by the companion of Mohamed is NOT in today’s koran.
- The companions of Mohamed did not see anything wrong in forgetting a portion of the koran.
- That forgotten portion (equivalent to over 120 verses which he compared with chapter 9 of the koran) is lost today!
- This means an entire chapter that they used to recite is no longer in existence today.

Another instance of lost portion:
Aisha … said, “Surat al-Ahzab (xxxiii) used to be recited in the time of the Prophet with two hundred verses but when Uthman wrote out the codices he was unable to procure more of it than there is in it today [i.e. 73 verses].”
- Abu Ubaid, Kitab Fada’il-al-Quran
Again, we see:
- A chapter that used to have 200 verses now has 73 because the rest could not be got.
- This is about 60% of the chapter missing.

Individual Verses Missing
Still Moslem sources:
“It was narrated that Aisha said: “The verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it”
- Sunan Ibn Maja 1944

So here:
- A sheep ate a verse on stoning.
- There is also a verse on breastfeeding an adult!
- Both are not in the koran any longer.

And this next one from the koran:
“The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers”
- Q. 33:6 [Yusuf Ali translation]
Yusuf Ali comments in his footnotes: “In some Qiraahs, like that of Ubayy ibn Kaab, occurs also the words ‘and he is a father of them’ which implies his spiritual relationship and connection with the words ‘and his wives are their mothers’.”

So, we see here:
- Yusuf Ali telling us that a variant koran has a portion that is not in the one he used in translating his own.

A Testimony to Lost Portions by a Companion of Mohamed:
[Ibn Umar said]: “Let none of you say, ‘I have learned the whole of the Koran’, for how does he know what the whole of it is, when much of it has disappeared? Let him rather say, ‘I have learned what remains thereof’ ”
- Abu Ubaid, Kitab Fada’il-al-Quran
Note:
- Ibn Umar claimed when he lived that there was no complete koran.
- Portions have disappeared.

In Closing
These are all sources from early Moslem believers.
The evidence come from Mohamed’s companions themselves.
They all state that portions of the koran were already missing as at when they lived.

Implication: If the claim that the koran is un-altered is used to argue that the koran is from God, the evidence we have looked at prove that the OPPOSITE is the case: the ONLY reasonable conclusion anyone can come to after all these is that the koran has NOT BEEN PERFECTLY PRESERVED therefore that claim cannot be used to say that it is a book from God.

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 10:38am On Jul 27, 2018
The Hadith
The hadiths are collections of statements and traditions - actions, decrees and sayings – of Mohamed. How and why the practice of reducing the traditions of Mohamed's life to writing began. What is clear that their presence means that majority of Moslems believe not just one book, the koran, for their lifestyle and ultimate place in Paradise but also in the hadiths.

The hadiths stories and narratives attributed to Mohamed are traced back to him through a series of allegedly trustworthy witnesses. There are said to be six correct or authentic hadiths. These authentic collections, accepted by those who are not “QURAN ONLY” Moslems, include compilations of Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Maja, Abu Dawud, al-Tirmidhi and al-Nisai.

It should be noted that ALL these sources were written HUNDREDS of years after the death of Mohamed. So, we see that these information were written far away from Mohamed’s time.

Today, Moslems classify hadiths as either “authentic” or spurious. An Islamic sect would accept a group of hadiths while another will claim a different set. Historically, even early in Islamic development the struggle between the “Alids”, Ali’s followers [Ali was Mohamed’s cousin and son-in-law] and the “Umayyads” [Uthman’s relations of the Meccan clan of Umayya] led to the creation of different hadiths to suit the leaning of either of the sides.

Some scholars have even shown that the Koran and Hadith grew out of factional disagreements over a long period, perhaps as long as two centuries. One can posit then that Mohamed may never have thought the koran would evolve to what it is today and the hadiths may be a result of sectarian claims to legitimacy.

The hadiths regulate the life of Moslems. The koran contains very little details of many of the duties of the Moslem, and the hadiths fill in the gap by providing the details. For example, the ‘salat’ is described in detail in the hadith but not in the koran.

What were the sources of MOST if not all of these hadith writings? Not on written material! It’s simply based on “This person told me this which he heard from that person who heard it from such and such one and that one heard it from so and so," And list can go on and on.

And not to be faulted some of the hadith writers take this position:
“I am writing this book as I hear from the narrators. If anything sounds absurd, I should not be blamed or held accountable. The responsibility of all blunders rests squarely on the shoulders of those who have narrated these stories to me.” In other words, if there is found to be some mistake or untruth in what they have narrated others should be blamed and not them - the writers. Whao!

Implication: Since Islam depends on other sources apart from the ‘revealed’ book – the koran – and the writings are so unreliable, how can even the koran itself be trusted? How can Moslems claim on the one hand that Allah has given them in the koran a book that has a permanent copy in heaven YET still run to the hadiths to either understand the koran or know how to live?

Again, were the chains of Narrators and eventual writers of the koran inspired by Allah? If so, then Allah had other messengers after Mohamed: Therefore, he cannot be said to be the ‘final’ messenger of Allah. If not, then Moslems are following writings they shouldn’t be following and so are committing blasphemy. Either way, a big question mark still hangs over Islam.

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by enilove(m): 9:24pm On Jul 27, 2018
Op , God bless you.
Kindly continue whenever you are chanced.
Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 9:10am On Jul 28, 2018
WHERE MOHAMED'S STORIES CAME FROM
Reputable Moslem scholars know for sure that Mohamed had knowledgeable people in Jewish and Persian religion and Christianity around him who influenced him and his composition of the koran. A number of Islamic books confirm this. Mohamed’s contemporaries knew this and must have challenged him on this. This is why he tried to argue against them in Sura 9: 127; 16:103; 25;4-6.


Mohamed did not just get these people to help him write down his ‘revelations’, he was actually helped by them in getting some of the stories he then had written down. This was a common knowledge in Arabia and particularly Mecca.

Mohamed's messages were transmitted orally for a very long time before being reduced to writing. Chances are that even those who eventually put his messages down in writing had to refer to other sources to fill in gaps that they needed to make their writings more credible.

Cook and Patricia Crone in their extremely interesting and intellectually stimulating work Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World (1977) point out how both the literature of Islam - the koran - and it's traditions and rituals were not only borrowed from other books but also other religions and their practices.

In Slaves on Horses: The Evolution of the Islamic Polity (1980), Meccan Trade and the Rise of Islam (1987), and later works Patricia Crone showed how Muslim traditions drew on a common pool of material fabricated by the storytellers.

At the end of the day the books of Islam came out of an attempt to reconcile distortions arising from various allegiances within Islam such as those to a particular area, tribe, sect or school of thought, etc.

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 9:43pm On Jul 29, 2018
Is the Koran Really the Words of Allah or Mohamed's?
Moslems claim that the Koran is the words of Allah. Koran is to be seen as if Allah himself had spoken these words stated in it. It is significant to highlight this point because if koran is the word of Allah then we should find no errors whatsoever in it. Unfortunately, such is not the case.

We find that when we read some of the verses in koran, we clearly see that they were Mohamed's own words and not Allah's.

Let’s see some of the verses in the koran which clearly show that these words were obviously spoken by Mohamed and not Allah.
In the opening chapter of the koran – Sura Fatihah – we have:

(Quran 1:1-7)
In the name of the Merciful and Compassionate God.
Praise belongs to God,
The Lord of the worlds, the merciful, the
compassionate, the ruler of the day of
the day of judgment! Thee we serve and Thee
we ask for aid. Guide us in the right path,
the path of those Thou art gracious to;
not to those Thou art wroth with, nor of
those who err.

These words are clearly addressed to Allah, in the form of a prayer.

They are either Mohamed's or later compilers of the koran’s words of praise to Allah God ("Guide us in the right path..."wink, asking for Allah's help and guidance.

Some Moslem compilers conveniently add the imperative "say" in the English translation of the koran at the beginning of the chapter apparently to remove this glaring discrepancy. This imperative form of the word "say" occurs at least 350 times in the koran, and it’s obvious that this word has, in fact, been inserted by later compilers of the koran to remove countless similarly embarrassing difficulties. Thus, we have direct proof that the Koran starts out with the words of Mohamed or later compilers of the Koran.

Some other examples in Koran:
(Quran 113:1)
I take refuge with the Lord of the Dawn.

One can clearly see, its Mohamed and NOT ALLAH HIMSELF who is seeking refuge in Allah. It would make no sense for Allah to seek to take refuge in another person. So, that statement can only be by a subordinate seeking refuge in a superior.

(Quran 27:91)
For me, I have been commanded to serve the
Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it
and to whom (Belong) all things; and I am
commanded to be of those who bow in Islam to
Allah's Will

Again, the speaker here is clearly Mohamed or later compilers. Only a subordinate will talk about serving a Lord or bow to another. Again, the word "say" put at the beginning of the sentence in many English translations is absent in the original Arabic version of this portion of the koran.

(Quran 84:16-19)
I swear by the afterglow of sunset, and by the night, and by the moon when she is at the full.

Once again this must be Mohamed or later compilers and NOT Allah. Certainly Omnipotent Allah should not swear, should he? Some translator again cleverly remove the word "swear" while making the translation of this portion of the koran.

(Quran 6:114)
Should I seek other judge than God, when
it is He who has sent down to you, the
distinguishing book (Quran)?

This again clearly shows man speaking.
There are several others portions of the koran stated in the same manner.
It is obvious then that the Koran contains words of men and perhaps Angel Gabriel?

Implication: If as Islam claims the Koran is only the words of Allah but we can clearly see that many portions contain words that are not those of Allah, the again the legitimacy of the book is called into question. The fact that words have to be inserted or deleted to make passages in the koran read in a particular way further diminishes the claim of the book by Moslems.

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by true2god: 7:23am On Jul 30, 2018
Let me add some points; some quranics verses were cancelled according to the hadith narration below. The are no in the current Koran:

sahih bukari Volume 3, Book 31, Number 169 :
Narrated by Tawus
Ibn 'Abbas said, "Allah's Apostle set out from Medina to Mecca and he fasted till he reached 'Usfan, where he asked for water and raised his hand to let the people see him, and then broke the fast, and did not fast after that till he reached Mecca, and that happened in Ramadan." Ibn 'Abbas used to say, "Allah's Apostle (sometimes) fasted and (sometimes) did not fast during the journeys so whoever wished to fast could fast, and whoever wished not to fast, could do so."
sahih bukahri Volume 3, Book 31, Number 170 :
Narrated by Nafi
Ibn 'Umar recited the verse: "They had a choice either to fast or to feed a poor person for every day, and said that the order of this Verse was cancelled.

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by true2god: 7:54am On Jul 30, 2018
Allah changed his mind when a blind man complained about a specific 'revelation' that did not put his concern and inadequacies into consideration:

sahih bukhari: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 84 :

Narrated by Al-Bara
When the Divine Inspiration: "Those of the believers who sit (at home), was revealed the Prophet sent for Zaid (bin Thabit) who came with a shoulder-blade and wrote on it. Ibn Um-Maktum complained about his blindness and on that the following revelation came: "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) except those who are disabled (by injury, or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive hard and fight in the Way of Allah with their wealth and lives)." (4.95)

sahih bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 85 :

Narrated by Sahl bin Sad As-Sa'idi
I saw Marwan bin Al-Hakam sitting in the Mosque. So I came forward and sat by his side. He told us that Zaid bin Thabit had told him that Allah's Apostle had dictated to him the Divine Verse: "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives.' (4.95) Zaid said, "Ibn-Maktum came to the Prophet while he was dictating to me that very Verse. On that Ibn Um Maktum said, "O Allah's Apostle! If I had power, I would surely take part in Jihad." He was a blind man. So Allah sent down revelation to His Apostle while his thigh was on mine and it became so heavy for me that I feared that my thigh would be broken. Then that state of the Prophet was over after Allah revealed "...except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) (4.95)

The following questions can be asked, given the way and manner the above scenario played out:

1) Was allahh not aware that a blind man was in the meeting room (where Jihad was being planned) before giving Mohammed his initial revelation.

2) What would have the Qur'anic ayah read (Quran 4:95) if the blind man had not complained about the ayah?

3) Is man capable of determining how an ayah should read as the above ayah portrayed?

4) Is quran 4:95 the word of allahh or the opinion of Mohammed?

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by true2god: 8:29am On Jul 30, 2018
Another incident involved one of the sahabas who assisted Mohammed in writing down some parts of the Quran whose name is abdullah ibn saad ibn abi sarh. This sahabas usually added his own word into the Quran until the secret leaked to Mohammed. See sunnah Abu dawood below and also sirah rasool Allah by ibn ishaq:

Narrated Sa’d: On the day when Mecca was conquered, the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) gave protection to the people except four men and two women and he named them. Ibn AbuSarh was one of them. He then narrated the tradition. He said: Ibn Abi Sarh hid himself with Uthman ibn Affan. When the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) called the people to take the oath of allegiance, he brought him and made him stand before the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him). He said: Apostle of Allah, receive the oath of allegiance from him. He raised his head and looked at him thrice, denying him every time. After the third time he received his oath. He then turned to his companions and said: Is not there any intelligent man among you who would stand to this (man) when he saw me desisting from receiving the oath of allegiance, and kill him? They replied: We do not know, Apostle of Allah, what lies in your heart; did you not give us an hint with your eye? He said: It is not proper for a prophet to have a treacherous eye. (Abu Dawud 14:2677)

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Abdullah ibn AbuSarh used to write (the revelation) for the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him). Satan made him slip, and he joined the infidels. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) commanded to kill him on the day of Conquest (of Mecca). Uthman ibn Affan sought protection for him. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) gave him protection. (Abu Dawud 38:4345)

Narrated Sa’d ibn AbuWaqqas:
On the day of the conquest of Mecca, Abdullah ibn Sa’d ibn AbuSarh hid himself with Uthman ibn Affan. He brought him and made him stand before the Prophet (peace be upon him), and said: Accept the allegiance of Abdullah, Apostle of Allah! He raised his head and looked at him three times, refusing him each time, but accepted his allegiance after the third time. Then turning to his companions, he said: Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him? They said: We did not know what you had in your heart, Apostle of Allah! Why did you not give us a signal with your eye? He said: It is not advisable for a Prophet to play deceptive tricks with the eyes.” (Abu Dawud 38:4346)


Ibn Ishaq (704-768 AD), the earliest seerah writer states:

“The apostle had instructed his commanders when they entered Mecca only to fight those who resisted them except a small number who were to be killed even if they were found beneath the curtains of the Kaaba. Among them was `Abdullah b. Sa`d, brother of the B. `Amir b. Lu’ayy. The reason he ordered him to be killed was that he had been a Muslim and used to write down revelation; then he apostatized and returned to Qurahysh [Mecca] and fled to `Uthman b. `Affan whose foster brother he was. The latter hid him until he brought him to the apostle after the situation in Mecca was tranquil, and asked that he might be granted immunity. They allege that the apostle remained silent for a long time till finally he said yes. When `Uthman had left he [Muhammad] said to his companions who were sitting around him, “I kept silent so that one of you might get up and strike off his head!” One of the Ansar [Muhammad’s helpers from Medina] said, “Then why didn’t you give me a sign, O apostle of God?” He [Muhammad] answered that a prophet does not kill by pointing.” (Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq, p. 550)

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 7:48pm On Jul 30, 2018
true2god:
Allah changed his mind when a blind man complained about a specific 'revelation' that did not put his concern and inadequacies into consideration:

sahih bukhari: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 84 :

Narrated by Al-Bara
When the Divine Inspiration: "Those of the believers who sit (at home), was revealed the Prophet sent for Zaid (bin Thabit) who came with a shoulder-blade and wrote on it. Ibn Um-Maktum complained about his blindness and on that the following revelation came: "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) except those who are disabled (by injury, or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive hard and fight in the Way of Allah with their wealth and lives)." (4.95)

sahih bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 85 :

Narrated by Sahl bin Sad As-Sa'idi
I saw Marwan bin Al-Hakam sitting in the Mosque. So I came forward and sat by his side. He told us that Zaid bin Thabit had told him that Allah's Apostle had dictated to him the Divine Verse: "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives.' (4.95) Zaid said, "Ibn-Maktum came to the Prophet while he was dictating to me that very Verse. On that Ibn Um Maktum said, "O Allah's Apostle! If I had power, I would surely take part in Jihad." He was a blind man. So Allah sent down revelation to His Apostle while his thigh was on mine and it became so heavy for me that I feared that my thigh would be broken. Then that state of the Prophet was over after Allah revealed "...except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) (4.95)

The following questions can be asked, given the way and manner the above scenario played out:

1) Was allahh not aware that a blind man was in the meeting room (where Jihad was being planned) before giving Mohammed his initial revelation.

2) What would have the Qur'anic ayah read (Quran 4:95) if the blind man had not complained about the ayah?

3) Is man capable of determining how an ayah should read as the above ayah portrayed?

4) Is quran 4:95 the word of allahh or the opinion of Mohammed?

All these inconsistencies and contradictions in the koran really makes it a questionable book.
Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by true2god: 6:46am On Jul 31, 2018
plainbibletruth:

All these inconsistencies and contradictions in the koran really makes it a questionable book.
Bro so much of inconsistencies in allahh's Quran. My favorite quranic verse is Quran 33:53:

O Ye who believe! Enter not the dwellings of the Prophet for a meal without waiting for the proper time, unless permission be granted you. But if ye are invited, enter, and, when your meal is ended, then disperse. Linger not for conversation. Lo! that would cause annoyance to the Prophet, and he would be shy of (asking) you (to go); but Allah is not shy of the truth. And when ye ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a curtain. That is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not for you to cause annoyance to the messenger of Allah, nor that ye should ever marry his wives after him. Lo! that in Allah's sight would be an enormity.

How can a God reveal such a childish instruction? If Mohammed was not comfortable with his sahabas hanging around his wives and concubines, why didn't he just tell them straightforward without dragging his imaginary allahh into it.

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 4:46pm On Jul 31, 2018
true2god:
Bro so much of inconsistencies in allahh's Quran. My favorite quranic verse is Quran 33:53:

O Ye who believe! Enter not the dwellings of the Prophet for a meal without waiting for the proper time, unless permission be granted you. But if ye are invited, enter, and, when your meal is ended, then disperse. Linger not for conversation. Lo! that would cause annoyance to the Prophet, and he would be shy of (asking) you (to go); but Allah is not shy of the truth. And when ye ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a curtain. That is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not for you to cause annoyance to the messenger of Allah, nor that ye should ever marry his wives after him. Lo! that in Allah's sight would be an enormity.

How can a God reveal such a childish instruction? If Mohammed was not comfortable with his sahabas hanging around his wives and concubines, why didn't he just tell them straightforward without dragging his imaginary allahh into it.

1) Even if we assume that naratives about Mohamed's life are for moslems to follow, what in this instance is the example Allah wants them to see that he had to write such a thing and feel the need to put it in his most holy book ?
2) If the koran is eternal, like moslems claim, what sense does it make that this existed before the universe was created, and why would it need to be there for eternity?

This and other ridiculous "revelations" make it seem obvious that the koran was written by Mohamed for his own interests, as Aisha commented.

Narrated 'Aishah:

It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "I used to feel jealous of those (women) who offered themselves (in marriage) to the Prophet and I said: 'Would a free woman offer herself?' Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed: 'You can postpone whom you will of them, and you may receive whom you will.' I said: 'By Allah, I see that your Lord is quick to respond to your wishes.'"

Indeed over 90% of the Koran is not revealing the nature of Allah so that mankind will know him better: that majority of the Koran is about Mohamed and the satisfaction of his desires. That alone should raise a RED FLAG about the book.

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 7:35am On Aug 01, 2018
It's All About Mohamed
“O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Allah has already ordained for you [Muslims] the dissolution of your oaths. And Allah is your protector, and He is the Knowing, the Wise.” Sura 66:1-2

This is one of those places where Allah, rather than give his last prophet divine guidance, acts only after his prophet has taken a wrong step. Allah then steps in to satisfy his prophet even when it means that the prophet's satisfaction goes against morality or legality.

In this chapter Mohamed violates a deal that he made with his wives, makes and breaks an oath, and receives a "revelation" from Allah just in time to get him out of trouble and justify him.

The story

Mohamed had allocated days to be with each of his wives. Mohamed was caught in the bed of his wife Hafsa with Mary a Coptic Christian slave given to Mohammed 7 A.H. (628 A.D.) by the Governor of Egypt. When Hafsa queried him he, Mohamed, in order to possibly pacify her and prevent her from telling his other wives, made an oath not have relations with Mary again. When the other wives still eventually got to know about it Mohamed went back on his word and in addition boycotted the other wives and met only with Mary.

Shortly after, this "revelation" came from Allah justifying Mohamed. Allah not only justifies Mohamed for going back on his pledge and the oath he took after being found out, he (Allah) then threatened the wives with he'll fire!

First, Allah rushes in to help Mohamed with his family affairs. In doing so Mohamed is not blamed for going back on his word and failing to keep his promise. Instead it's his wives, who were clearly wronged, that are now intimidated with divine punishment.

If the example of Mohamed is to be followed, what exactly is the example to be followed here? Is it to see having sex with slave girls as normal? Is it for Moslem men not to promise their wives anything? Is it to see the breaking one's promise as a normal thing and not out of the ordinary?

It's interesting that when Mohamed had only one wife - Khadija - no "revelation" on family life came to him. In fact, in the early days of his Islam things appeared relatively normal. The koranic verses of those days were peaceful. He exhibited the restraint that would be expected of a prophet. He appeared to be more accommodating. Then, almost suddenly, a change took place that took things in the opposite direction.

From there on, the FOCUS became Mohamed. Morality was thrown overboard. Legality was given a back seat. Allah's attention turned to pleasing Mohamed and him alone. Every other person became secondary in the reckoning of Allah.

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 3:57pm On Aug 02, 2018
STRUCTURE OF THE KORAN
Most Moslems say that the Koran is the eternal, uncreated, infallible and unaltered Word of Allah, a copy of which is preserved on a Tablet in heaven and given by inspiration through the angel Gabriel to Mohamed, though the angel Gabriel is never identified in the koran as the messenger.

The koran is not in a historical sequence. It is not arranged in a particular literary order. Some subjects are repeated at different times and in different places having no continuous story. Apart from the first chapter, the chapters are arranged from the longest in the beginning to the shortest at the end. There are 114 chapters. The longest chapter contains 286 verses. The shortest is 5 verses.
Unlike the Bible, the koran is not designed to reveal God per se but rather to set forth His instructions for His creatures. Mohamed is in fact the highlight of the koran! Allah only backs him up.

Understanding the book
The koran was not designed for the average person to understand but has to be interpreted by a group of “scholars” even though the book itself claims to the “clear”. Moslems teach that the koran can only be understood in its original Arabic language and a translation into any other language is inadequate to portray the true meaning. This is either to further confuse matters about the book or foster an Arabian agenda: making adherents in other cultures to become culturally linked to the Arabs through the language.

Verses are changed when deemed fit
There is a justifying verse in Surah 1:106. “If we abrogate any verse or cause it to be forgotten, We replace it by a better or a similar one. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?” There are quite a number of contradictory verses in the koran but apparently Mohamed felt no misgivings about Allah changing his mind from time to time, even though it is claimed the koran always existed in heaven before God sent it down to Mohamed! Apparently Allah did not edit his writing! Because of this verse, Moslems can use whatever verse from the koran they want to in order to try to prove their point.

Implication: For a book that already existed in heaven and was only “revealed” to Mohamed how the cancelling of one thing and substituting it with another can be regarded as right can only be accepted by a mind that has thrown reason into the wind. Surely, if it has already existed in a copy in heaven the Angel should have no problem dictating the exact words to Mohamed; should he?
If the book cannot be communicated clearly in any other language, is that to suggest that the Arabic is SUPERIOR to other languages or perhaps a more “heavenly” language than other languages?
These are questions our Moslem friends need to resolve.

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 11:13pm On Aug 02, 2018
Was Mohamed Sure of the Source of his “Revelations”
Mohamed evidently felt that his first encounter with “Gabriel” was demonic and the question that need to be addressed whether the koran is from God, Mohammed or Satan? Islamic literature about Mohamed’s life helps us answer this question.

"Ibn Ishaq says that, before the Revelation first began to descend upon him, Mohamed’s friends feared that he was suffering from the evil eye: and that, when it came upon him, almost the same illness attacked him again. In tradition it is stated that he (Mohamed) said: 'I fear lest I should become a magician, lest one should proclaim me a follower of the Jinn (spirit)', and again: 'I fear lest there should be madness' (or demonic possession) 'in me.' After an accession of shivering and shutting his eyes, there used to come over him what resembled a swoon, his face would foam and he would roar like a young camel." (mizanul MizanuŸl Haqq, page 345).

"The Apostle of Allah said (to Aisha Ayshah) 'Sometimes it comes to me like the ringing of a bell and that is the most troublesome to me.... sometimes the angel assumes the form of a man for me and talks with me and I retain in memory what he says! Aisha Ayshah reported 'And indeed I saw him while the revelation descended upon him on an intensely cold day; then it left him while his brow steamed with sweat.' "(Mishkat IV, page 360).
Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 5:53pm On Aug 03, 2018
Was Mohamed a Prophet to The Christians?

Was Mohamed a prophet to the Christians? Initially, according to Islamic tradition, the Christians carried favour with Mohamed. We can see this attitude in Koran 5:82-86.

In this passage Mohamed remarks that the Jews and pagans were the furthest from the believers(Moslems), while the Christians were “the nearest among them in love…” This, according to Chapter 5, was because they were men of learning who had renounced the world and were not arrogant (possibly referring to the Monks whom Mohamed had contact with earlier in his life). He added that when the Christians heard his message they accepted it with tears, and immediately counted themselves amongst the Moslems.

These individuals may be those who have either conceded to him out of fear for their lives, or have converted out of Christianity and become Moslems.

The supposed affinity with Christians was, nonetheless, fleeting. This is because according to the Koran they were soon regarded as rebellious transgressors. There was now a hatred towards those who followed Jesus the son of Mary.

A number of other chapters which pertained to Jews and Christians came to regard both the Jews and Christians as little more than enemies of the unbelievers. They were only acceptable to Mohamed once they had acknowledged him as a prophet (Chapter 5:86). In fact, there are then specific chapters which warn the Moslems not to acquaint themselves with the Christians and Jews, warning that the Christians are only interested in converting the Moslems to their own beliefs. Consider these:

Q 2:120: “Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: ‘The Guidance of Allah, that is the (only) Guidance.’ Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor Helper against Allah.”
Q 3:28: “Let not the Believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers; if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (to remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.”
Q 5:54: “O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.”

It seems that Mohamed, and those who follow him can only accept Jews and Christians if they first renounce their beliefs and follow Mohamed as the final prophet. This is not a case of living together in harmony at all but rather a threat, and finally a disapproving of all that the Jews and Christians cherish dearly.

With verses like the above, is it possible for us to claim that Mohamed was a prophet to the Christians? It is highly doubtful.
Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 7:36am On Aug 05, 2018
Does the Koran have different versions?

Most Moslems claim that the text of today's koran is the same as that received by Mohamed . This is a convenient thing to believe, but it is NOT the truth. The evidence that it is not:

1. Evidence of Change Before Uthman

Uthman destroyed other copies of the koran after making his compilation. Why? Because there were other variants that he did not want to compete with his own. Even Ibn Ma'sud refused to hand over his copy for destruction? So, how do we know that Uthman's copy was better than any of the others?

2. Hadiths say the Koran is incomplete

Both the hadiths and the Sunna give evidence that some of the koran was lost, forgotten, or abrogated.

3. Variants exist in present-day manuscripts

When existing manuscripts are compared, it can be shown that not all of them are the same. Therefore, the koran has not been perfectly preserved.

Implications:
Any claim by any Moslem that the Koran has been perfectly preserved is simply not true.

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 7:18am On Aug 06, 2018
The Koran has Different Versions of the Same Stories
The koran in a number of different chapters ( Suras) reports the same events with variant wording.

For example, The story of Moses and the burning bush is reported in three (3) different passages of the koran but one sees varying rendition of the story in these passages. In other words, one finds these parallel accounts containing conflicting wording and details.
This story is found in Q. 20:9-24; Q.27:7-14 and Q. 28:29-33.

Again, for book that is claimed to have a copy in heaven why would Allah not be better organised in giving the stories in the book?
Why write the same story thrice?
Why write the same story and have them differ from each order?
Does Allah not know the EXACT order things happened in the story?

Implications: The Koran is not as clear and perfect as Moslems would want us to believe. The glaring shortcomings in a book that is claimed to have an exact replica in heaven leaves much to be desired.
Who is confused about the details here: Allah or the human writers?
In other words, who actually wrote the koran: Allah or man?

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 9:42am On Aug 09, 2018
ARE THERE DISCREPANCIES OR CONTRADICTIONS IN THE KORAN?

Quran 4:82
" Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction."

" Do they not ponder on the Qur'an?
Had it been from other than Allah,
they would surely have found therein much discrepancy.
"

The above are two translations of the koran 4:82. That verse is used by moslems to claim that because the koran is free from discrepancies it is proof that the koran is from God.

But is that really the case?

Who was the first Moslem?
A number of passages in the koran said Mohamed was the first Moslem:

Say: Shall I choose for a protecting friend other than Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, Who feedeth and is never fed? Say: I am ordered to be the first to surrender [aslama] (unto Him). And be not thou (O Muhammad) of the idolaters. S. 6:14 Pickthall

Say (O Muhammad): Lo! I am commanded to worship Allah, making religion pure for Him (only). And I am commanded to be the first of those who are muslims (surrender unto Him). S. 39:11-12 Pickthall

Directly contradicting these in both the koran itself and various Islamic sources are statements which refer to the presence of true believers both before and during Mohamed’s alleged "call" to prophethood. The koran mentions that Adam, Noah, the Patriarchs, the twelve tribes of Israel, Moses, Jesus etc., were all believers and many of them even messengers who lived a long time before Mohamed:

Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."… And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith. We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."… When learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. S. 2:30, 34-35, 37

We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms. S. 4:163

We gave him Isaac and Jacob: all (three) guided: and before him, We guided Noah, and among his progeny, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron: thus do We reward those who do good: S. 6:84

And when Ibrahim and Ismail raised the foundations of the House: Our Lord! accept from us; surely Thou art the Hearing, the Knowing: Our Lord! and make us both submissive (muslimayni) to Thee and (raise) from our offspring a nation submitting (ommatan muslimatan) to Thee, and show us our ways of devotion and turn to us (mercifully), surely Thou art the Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful. Our Lord! and raise up in them an Apostle from among them who shall recite to them Thy communications and teach them the Book and the wisdom, and purify them; surely Thou art the Mighty, the Wise. And who forsakes the religion of Ibrahimbut he who makes himself a fool, and most certainly We chose him in this world, and in the hereafter he is most surely among the righteous. When his Lord said to him, Be a Muslim (aslim), he said: I submit myself (aslamtu) to the Lord of the worlds. And the same did enjoin on his sons and (so did) . O my sons! surely Allah has chosen for you (this) faith, therefore (illa waantum muslimoona).

Implications:
If others existed before Mohamed who were Moslems then this CLEARLY contradicts the koranic verses that Mohamed as the first moslem.
Can the koran then be trusted as an accurate book?
Remember, it is suppose to be a book with an exact copy in heaven.

If there were people who were first Moslems before Mohamed then I meant that they had a knowledge of ISLAM. If they did then Mohamed WAS NOT the first to preach Islam. The Koran must have been communicated to those ones. The whole idea then of the koran been a SPECIAL REVELATION to Mohamed is thrown into the dust.

If ALL these people before Mohamed were Moslems and by implication had KNOWLEDGE of their religion Islam then where is the evidence of how they had this knowledge? Did they have a "Koran" before Mohamed? If so, where is it? Particularly since many ancient manuscripts dating back to thousands of years still exist today.

So, to the claim that if the Koran were not from Allah we would find contradictions in it we see that there are indeed contradictions. To what conclusions then can we come: The Koran has failed its own test.

Moslems therefore have a lot of problems they have to deal with. Unfortunately the average moslem is not told all the truth about his religion.

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by enilove(m): 5:00pm On Aug 09, 2018
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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by enilove(m): 5:02pm On Aug 09, 2018
This is a very good exposition .

God bless you .
Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 10:58am On Aug 10, 2018
enilove:
This is a very good exposition .

God bless you .
Thank you for your encouraging words.
Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by enilove(m): 1:19pm On Aug 10, 2018
plainbibletruth:

Thank you for your encouraging words.

This is the kind of information we need to avoid the deceit of the devil , but it is unfortunate that many wouldn't value it and thereby caught in the trap.

About 80% of Christians don't know what Christianity is all about and wouldn't mind their son or daughter marrying the Muslims. They don't really know what it means by the below Scriptures :


John 3:16-18 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 14:6 KJV
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

BUT THIS ISLAM IS THE ANTI CHRIST :
1 John 2:22-23 KJV
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
[23] Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also .


What take majority of people to hell is :

TRUTH KNOWN TOO LATE .

Op, thanks for your time and effort , may God continue to guide and protect us .
Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 8:20am On Aug 12, 2018
WHAT IS ISLAM'SVIEW OF WOMEN?
Statements such as:
"Islam gave women basic rights centuries before the west did"
and
"Islam has empowered women with the most progressive rights since the 7th century. In Islam, women are not inferior or unequal to men"
are propagated to give the impression that Islam gives high regard and great liberties and rights to women. Any opposite claim is viewed as lies and propaganda by haters of Islam.

Koranic verses are even be quoted to support Islam's "elevated" treatment of women.

But what do the koran and hadith ACTUALLY say?

According to Mohamed, women lack common sense because their minds are deficient.
His statements are illuminating:

[Mohamed said]: O womenfolk, you should give charity and ask much forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell. A wise lady among them said: Why is it, Messenger of Allah, that our folk is in bulk in Hell? Upon this the Holy Prophet observed: You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. I have seen none lacking in common sense and failing in religion but (at the same time) robbing the wisdom of the wise, besides you. Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense and with religion? He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Your lack of common sense (can be well judged from the fact) that the evidence of two women is equal to one man, that is a proof of the lack of common sense. (Sahih Muslim, Abdul Hamid Siddiqi, tr., Number 142)

The Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) said: "Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said: "Yes." He said: "This is because of the deficiency of her mind. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Number 2658)

Conclusion - It is not hard to find out what the Islamic books say. Therefore why do Moslems say the opposite. Moslems are in denial about what their books say.

Implications:
If there are contradictory statements in Islam's books on any issue can we really accept that those contradictory positions are from heaven?
If moslems know the truth but are trying to project a false position are they presenting the lifestyle and integrity of the Allah they claim to serve: Does Allah speak from both sides of the mouth?

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 9:29am On Aug 13, 2018
The Woman’s Value in Islam

The value of a woman as displayed in the koran is significantly inferior to men.

The koran states that man and woman have equal rights against each other, but that man is a degree above the woman.
In koran chapter 4:34 the koran states “men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God has gifted one above the other.” Chapter 2:228 also points in a similar direction.

A woman’s word is not valued as highly as a man’s. In fact, in matters of testimony, it takes two women to testify to the same facts as one man. Chapter 2:282

If woman is not created with the same capability as man, then her ability to recall specific details of a contractual agreement could be hindered. Thus, two women will be able to provide a more trustworthy recollection of the agreement.

The implications of this view are clearly seen in the cases of rape. A woman who is accused of adultery or fornication must provide four witnesses to testify that she was not willfully committing adultery or fornication, but that she was raped. The koran states that in cases of rape, the woman can swear by Allah that she is truthfully speaking of the crime against her and the law shall acquit her of punishment.
Yet, that same verse states that a man has the same opportunity to swear by Allah of his veracity. In the context of rape, where rarely an audience is present, that leaves the court to determine the outcome between a man’s word and a woman’s word. Inevitably, by following the regulations placed within the koran, the man’s word must take authority over the woman’s. Thus, a woman who has been raped must find four witnesses to testify on her behalf or risk punishment, and possibly death for her immoral actions. Chapter 24:8,9.

A woman must be careful when she merely opens her mouth and speaks in a room where men could hear her. Her voice can be considered alluring to men and may cause one to stumble into sin. Thus the koran states that a woman, specifically the Prophets wives, should only answer a man, other than her husband, if there is a genuine need for the answer. Chapter 33:32-33

Conclusion: The value of a woman’s opinion is not seen within the pages of the koran. In fact, within the verses of the koran, it is almost presented as a gift to women that they do not have these responsibilities or obligations, rather they should be pleased to stay at home use their skills within the context of the home.

Implication: When moslem propaganda claim the opposite of what the koran states we can only see that LYING is nothing to them. When lying is preferred to the truth, a big question hangs on the religion that claims to be the final revelation from heaven.

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Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 9:39am On Aug 16, 2018
ISLAM'S VIEW OF WOMEN (Continued)
FACTS:
1.BEFORE Islam, women had a good position in Arabia: Mohamed’s first wife Khadija had her own business in which Mohamed was employed before they were married. If this position of women EXISTED BEFORE Islam the claim that it was Islam that elevated the position of women simply does not hold water.

2.Until recently women in Saudi Arabia were not permitted to drive vehicles. In Saudi Arabia, a woman’s testimony is usually not accepted in criminal cases and is worth half a man’s testimony in civil cases.

3.Up until now, many women in Islam are kept in harems.

4.Currently many women in Islam are FORCED to wear prescribed dress codes which in most cases are meant to cover up the woman’s body. Men on the other hand, have no restriction in terms of what they can wear. How does the veil encourage deep sense of purity and fidelity? How does it “save the woman’s soul from weakness, her mind from indulgence, her eyes from lustful looks, and her personality from demoralization” as some Islamic apologists claim? In other words, how does the external and physical change the internal and invisible aspects of the soul?

5.Mohamed, the "Perfect Example" himself, kept sex-slaves and that was authorised by Allah himself in the Koran. "those who you right hand possesses" is how Allah puts it in the Koran. If it was okay for Mohamed wouldn’t his followers feel it is okay for them?

Life is a living hell for women under Sharia law. The self-centred feminist movements turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed against women in Islam.
Islamic apologists have exaggerated on the privileges and right which Islam has conferred on women.
The Koran allows the man to use corporal punishment to discipline erring women. Wife battery is endorsed by the Koran: This is clearly stated in chapter 4:34 “...As for those, from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them

Conclusion
The move to paint Islam as a revolutionary force in women's rights is a recent one, pushed by Moslem apologists who want to whitewash Islam. In truth, Islam has never exhibited an interest in expanding opportunities for women beyond the family role. The fourth Caliph, who was Mohamed's son-in-law and cousin, said just a few years after the prophet's death that "The entire woman is an evil. And what is worse is that it is a necessary evil."
Allah despises women, both Moslem and non-moslem, with such a deep hatred and loathing that one would wonder why he even bothered to create women. Any claim to the contrary is simply an attempt to fool those who may never want to get into Islam’s books to discover the real truth.
Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 2:30pm On Aug 19, 2018
Things women still can't do in Saudi Arabia

Saudi women suffer under the Kingdom’s system in which a woman is under the control of her husband, son or father.

Important decisions a woman in Saudi Arabia still cannot make for herself include:

Marry

Permission to marry must be granted by the guardian. Women who want to marry foreigners must obtain approval to do by the ministry of interior, and marriage to non-Muslims is so difficult as to be impossible.

Open a bank account

Women in the Kingdom are not allowed to have their own bank account to control their finances without permission.

Get a fair trial


The testimony of a woman is only worth half a man’s in Saudi Arabia’s legal system. Women also only receive half the inheritance their brothers are entitled to.

Travel

Passports and identification cards must be obtained with the permission of a male guardian. Women are usually also not allowed to leave the home alone.

Conclusion
The problem dates back to Mohamed. He had cast in concrete the inequality of women in koran, passed down as God's commandments and eventually recorded.
The treatment of women in the Islam follows what the koran says. Koran, chapter 4:34, has been interpreted to say that men have "pre-eminence" over women or that they are "overseers" of women.
Only when HUMAN RIGHTS is practiced in Saudi Arabia can women's rights be respected.
Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 8:42am On Aug 21, 2018
DID MOHAMED REFLECT ALLAH'S "MERCY & GRACIOUSNESS"?

A prophet should be expected to reflect the character of the God he claims to follow. He should exemplify in particular the good qualities of that God.

Did Mohamed reflect the mercy and graciousness of his Allah? This is what we shall examine now.

Allah is said to be the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. He is said to be always ready to help.

It would be expected then that in Allah's dealing with his creatures these qualities will be clearly shown.

Gracious means:
marked by kindness and courtesy.

Mercy is defined as:
kind or forgiving treatment of someone who could be treated harshly: kindness or help given to people who are in a very bad or desperate situation.

These qualities therefore mean treating people with unmerited benevolence. Not reacting to people based on their weaknesses and faults but rather overlooking those frailties and reaching out to them in compassion.

So, do we find these daily touted qualities of Allah and Mohamed in their lives as recorded in Islam's books?
Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 3:33pm On Aug 21, 2018
DID MOHAMED REFLECT ALLAH'S "MERCY & GRACIOUSNESS"?(2)
See the actions of the devout Mohamed and his followers did to those that rejected him….

1) Mohamed’s followers had attacked a neighboring Arab tribe and suffered a defeat. Later they returned and conquered that tribe. They took the survivors as captives. However one of the tribe’s leaders was an old woman whom they tied between two camels and ripped her apart! (From: "The Life of Mohamed", page 665).

2) One Moslem man had a female slave who he had sex with and impregnated. She bore him children. But she was not a Moslem, (Islam allows Muslims to take female slaves and use them for sex). She criticized Islam’s founder Mohamed. The man didn’t like her doing that so one day, he had enough and he stabbed her to death. Mohamed said that her killing was legal under Islam because she criticized him. (Sunan, Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4348).

3) Mohamed sent his men to assassinate a man who disparaged him. The men, who were once the man’s friends, went to his house at night and lied to him in order to get him to leave his house. They said they were leaving Islam and needed his help. He opened his door to them and went out to speak with them. They seized him and stabbed him to death. Then they cut off his head and brought it to Mohamed . They all shouted "Allah Akbar!" and rejoiced that they successfully murdered him. ( "Sahih Bukhari", Volume 5 #369).

Do these actions portray mercy or graciousness?

Is there a DIFFERENT DEFINITION of grace and mercy in Islam?

How come that Mohamed who is said to be "the mercy to all mankind" NEVER seem to exhibit mercy in all these instances?

Why is it that Allah, said to be the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, never prevailed on his prophet to exercise restraints and show mercy?
Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 7:32am On Aug 22, 2018
DID MOHAMED REFLECT ALLAH'S "MERCY & GRACIOUSNESS"?(3)

Mohamed ’s teachings from some of the earliest Islamic sources:

1. Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight
the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah." (Sahir Bukhari volume 1, No. 387).

2. So when the sacred months have passed away then slay the idolaters wherever you find them and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor rate, leave their way free to them, surely Allah is forgiving, Merciful. (Koran 9:5).

3. Fight those who do not believe in Allah nor in the latter days nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth out of those who have been given the Book until they pay the tax and acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. (Koran 9:29).

4. "To John ibn Rabah and the Chiefs of Aylah. Peace be on you! I praise God for you, beside whom there is no Lord. I will not fight against you until I have written thus unto you. Believe, or else pay tribute. And be obedient unto the Lord and his Prophet, and the messengers of his Prophet. Honor them and clothe them with excellent vestments, not with inferior raiment. Specially clothe Zeid with excellent garments. As long as my messengers are pleased, so likewise am I. Ye know the tribute. If ye desire to have security by sea and by land, obey the Lord and his Apostle, and he will defend you from every claim, whether by Arab or foreigner, saving the claim of the Lord and his Apostle. But if ye oppose and displease them, I will not accept from you a single thing, until I have fought against you and taken captive your little ones and slain the elder. ( Muir, "The Life of Muhammad"wink.

Again, do these actions portray mercy or graciousness?

How come that Mohamed who is said to be "the mercy to all mankind" NEVER seem to exhibit mercy in all these instances?

Why is it that Allah, said to be the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, never prevailed on his prophet to exercise restraints and show mercy?
Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by plainbibletruth: 11:56am On Aug 24, 2018
DID MOHAMED REFLECT ALLAH'S "MERCY AND GRACIOUSNESS"? (4)
Ignorance of Islamic sources and many fabricated stories that Moslems and the rest of the world are told lead to a completely false view of what Islam truly is.

One example is the completely fabricated story about some random woman who used to throw garbage at Mohamed, and how he forgave her.

In order to know the truth about Mohamed, for instance, one has to read his earliest biography, a text which was written by a man named Ibn Ishaq, a devout Muslim scholar who had no desire to paint Mohamed in any bad light or as an evil man.

In this text, which had been previously mentioned in this thread, anyone can see clearly into the life of Islam's prophet.

This text, "Sirat Rasul Allah", has been accepted by every major Islamic scholar for the last fourteen hundred years. There was never a dispute among mainstream Moslems about this Mohamed’s biography before the modern era.

So, from this biography, was Mohamed a peaceful and/or merciful man? Here are just a few of the stories documented by the writer Ibn Ishaq:

“A married man had committed adultery with a married woman and they (Jewish Rabbis) said: ‘Send them to Muhammad and ask him what the law about them is and leave the penalty to him…Muhammad b. Talha b. Yazid b. Rukana from Ismail b. Ibrahim from Ibn Abbas told me that the apostle ordered them to be stoned, and they were stoned at the door of his mosque. And when the Jew felt the first stone he crouched over the woman to protect her from the stones until both of them were killed.” (Pages 266-267)

Would a merciful man have two human beings STONED TO DEATH simply for having sexual intercourse? The more moderate Moslems today claim that stoning has no place in Islam. This claim is born in ignorance of Islam’s own teachings, and directly contradicts Mohamed’s own actions.

“Then they (Banu Qurayza) surrendered, and the apostle [/b]confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and [b]struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches… There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900… Then the apostle sent Sa’d b. Zayd al-Ansari brother of b. Abdu’l-Ahhal with some of the captive women of B. Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons.” (Page 464)

Would a “prophet of mercy” behead hundreds of men, many of whom were innocent, and then sell their wives for horses and weapons? What kind of definition of mercy is this? Can you imagine a trench full of hundreds of bloodied heads? Not even in my worse nightmare would I want to picture such a sight. Mohamed makes even Genghis Khan look like an amateur.


Again, do these actions portray mercy or graciousness?

How come that Mohamed who is said to be "the mercy to all mankind" NEVER seem to exhibit mercy in all these instances?

Why did that Allah, said to be the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, never prevail on his prophet to exercise restraints and show mercy?

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