If I'm not mistaking, this horsetail thing people are going on about here is generally called a fly-whisk, and it is widespread throughout West Africa, even in Igbo. Ibibio also have them. Ijaw also have them. It is either made from horse or cow tail, or any other kind of furry animal hide, or fibre.

tpia@:

Odumchi you are quite wrong here.

Those wrappers are typically associated with yoruba because its part and parcel of yoruba culture.

The dressing is usually worn by oba's wives and in olden times they werent allowed to wear anything else.

I've seen a photo of my grandma(yoruba) when she was young-maybe in her twenties or so- and that was the kind of wrapper she tied.

Yoruba cultural dances also feature that exact dressing combined with horsetail. Horsetails are very prominent in the traditional culture.

I really dont know what you're trying to accomplish with these lies of yours. Its getting too much.
I could assume an edoid link for the photo because of the hair beads, but some yorubas also use those and the horsetails are more conclusive.

How are you goin to come here and tell us what our women do and don't weear? lol. Ok, since you know so much, what do Igbo women wear? Pictures too pls.


http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://migrationstoriesofnigerianigbo.files./2009/11/igbo.jpg%3Fw%3D264%26h%3D310&imgrefurl=http://migrationstoriesofnigerianigbo./category/ndi-igbo/&usg=__g44Kw8UtpzfQFGuEnSdsRH9Bjx0=&h=351&w=264&sz=25&hl=en&start=461&zoom=1&tbnid=ncEhx0vmbgKY4M:&tbnh=120&tbnw=90&ei=IJxOTp-tI8GtgQfZsMGPBw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Digbo%2Bwomen%26start%3D441%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1

LOL

This thread eeeee,Can't even believe what Im seeing here.Say what

Odumchi

what i'm telling you is that combination of beads, wrapper and horsetail all point to yoruba.

I'm not looking at beads alone and i repeat- that dressing is commonly associated with yoruba culture.

Edoid also in some instances- mainly benin.

The smaller wrapper is called oja or gbaja in some parts of the southwest. It can be used to back a baby, as an accessory as we see in that picture, or sometimes as the headtie. It is different from iro and also has a satirical reference in yoruba to describe someone who is ready to fight ie tie wrapper which is the equivalent of removing your earrings when you're getting ready to beat someone up.

The wrapper in such saying is referring to this smaller one shown in the photo. It can also refer to someone who is determined about a matter.

All this is to show you the dressing in question is entrenched in yoruba culure.

@ chyz

not sure i get your point.

Chyz*:

How are you goin to come here and tell us what our women do and don't weear? lol. Ok, since you know so much, what do Igbo women wear? Pictures too pls.


http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://migrationstoriesofnigerianigbo.files./2009/11/igbo.jpg%3Fw%3D264%26h%3D310&imgrefurl=http://migrationstoriesofnigerianigbo./category/ndi-igbo/&usg=__g44Kw8UtpzfQFGuEnSdsRH9Bjx0=&h=351&w=264&sz=25&hl=en&start=461&zoom=1&tbnid=ncEhx0vmbgKY4M:&tbnh=120&tbnw=90&ei=IJxOTp-tI8GtgQfZsMGPBw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Digbo%2Bwomen%26start%3D441%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1

thanks for the link, it comfimed my theory that such items could only be gotten from trades

ifyalways:

LOL

This thread eeeee,Can't even believe what Im seeing here.Say what

LOL what can't you believe here?

alj_harem:

thanks for the link, it comfimed my theory that such items could only be gotten from trades

Yea, that's how your yoruba women got beads. Never forget that.

The woman third from left's top is not Igbo style. It is a Yoruba top or style. But then, most groups that tye two wrappers are Igbo and other southern groups minus Yoruba.
Nowadays, you see Igbo women and others in Yoruba style of wrappers.
The identity of the women is Igbo but then, I will speak to Uche Nworah about this.

Igbo women.

The photo i've been referring to is the one where the women are holding horsetails.

ie this one:






I hope nobody thought i meant the other pictures where the women were tying george or up and down which everybody knows is an igbo form of dressing.

@ chinenye


yoruba women use the horsetail aka flywhisk in traditional dances.

not sure if women elsewhere do the same.

@Tpia@, I think that attire is a Southern Nigerian thing during the colonial era.

Andre Uweh:

@Tpia@, I think that attire is a Southern Nigerian thing during the colonial era.

Nope it is not a southern nigerian thing but a Yoruba/bini thing. No other group could have gotten it as hair tail animals don't live in the south.

^^^
Ignorance is bliss.

Here's a link of where the pic is from. It was a picture taken in 1929 of the Igbo women of the Aba women's riot. Abi it's still Yoruba/Bini huh? Aniova

http://igbokwenu.wikispaces.com/Aba+Women+Rebellion

Alh Harem, look at this photograph closely, you will see that it is similar to the one recently posted by Tpia@. Most southern women dress in that fashion during the colonial era.

Igbo woman during the colonial era.

21st century Igbo woman.

@ andre uweh

i think akwete cloth is the word you're looking for. Correct me if i'm wrong.

akwete is regarded as traditional igbo weaving specific to the ndoki area.

according to the following site, the industry was introduced from ijebu ode or bini [your guess is as good as mine- maybe via europeans, trade or ijaw/itsekiri] in the 19th century, became firmly established in ndoki and sold mostly to ijaws from there. Ijaws had their own cloth called tortoise cloth [for the pattern], but were still heavy purchasers of akwete.


http://books.google.com/books?id=QKD_VNQ0MF4C&pg=PA47&dq=akwete+cloth&hl=en&ei=F-BOTpzaGoTX0QG74t2KBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=akwete%20cloth&f=false

**i'm not familiar with ndoki so I have no idea where they are offhand- just saying**

more info on akwete [by an igbo lady]:

http://www.rovinginsight.org/library/index.php?content=arts-artsncrafts-article-akwete



[img]http://www2.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/but06/hillwood/african/object_images/ref/big/Figure-2.7.jpg[/img]

Andre Uweh:

Alh Harem, look at this photograph closely, you will see that it is similar to the one recently posted by Tpia@. Most southern women dress in that fashion during the colonial era.

Thanks but didn't see anything there

odumchi:

^^^
Ignorance is bliss.

Here's a link of where the pic is from. It was a picture taken in 1929 of the Igbo women of the Aba women's riot. Abi it's still Yoruba/Bini huh? Aniova

http://igbokwenu.wikispaces.com/Aba+Women+Rebellion

i think ignorance is bliss indeed

did u read chyz link at all

the link tells us of the trading like backe then before 1920's thus my suggestion was right. it could only have been gotten for trades and no other means

the land and topograpgy does not support it.

odumchi:

^^^
Ignorance is bliss.

Here's a link of where the pic is from. It was a picture taken in 1929 of the Igbo women of the Aba women's riot. Abi it's still Yoruba/Bini huh? Aniova

http://igbokwenu.wikispaces.com/Aba+Women+Rebellion

the picture was not taken during the aba women's riot, and indeed has nothing to do with it.


besides, the link it was taken from is right there under the photo.

the women are wearing rubber slippers- that wouldnt have been possible back then. The footwear isnt that old.

tpia@:


the picture was not taken during the aba women's riot, and indeed has nothing to do with it.


besides, the link it was taken from is right there under the photo.

the women are wearing rubber slippers- that wouldnt have been possible back then. The footwear isnt that old.

gbamm well said

tpia@:


the picture was not taken during the aba women's riot, and indeed has nothing to do with it.


besides, the link it was taken from is right there under the photo.

the women are wearing rubber slippers- that wouldnt have been possible back then. The footwear isnt that old.

although rubber slippers would have been possible through trade with the white men.

it is the horse tail i know did not come from aligbo likly from trade as chyz's link suggested

according to this site, akwete designs were originally traded to the ijaws by ijebu ode people. When trade was disrupted, kalabari ijaw took the cloth to the igbo weavers of akwete town and asked them to reproduce the patterns. They did so, and in addition, inculcated an indian madras design which they also obtained from the ijaw.


http://books.google.com/books?id=5_G3r3ANaZMC&pg=PA73&dq=akwete+cloth&hl=en&ei=GuVOTu-cIKTh0QHT2NWzDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=akwete%20cloth&f=false

alj_harem:

although rubber slippers would have been possible through trade with the white men.

it is the horse tail i know did not come from aligbo likly from trade as chyz's link suggested

plastic slippers werent invented until the 1940s or 50s.

i looked it up.

tpia@:

plastic slippers werent invented until the 1940s or 50s.

i looked it up.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/372914_Aba_Station_jpgb794cf2aeba0281086773d952972e2ea

trade with the white people, pretty industrialised then

tpia@:


the picture was not taken during the aba women's riot, and indeed has nothing to do with it.


besides, the link it was taken from is right there under the photo.

the women are wearing rubber slippers- that wouldnt have been possible back then. The footwear isnt that old.

I provided you with the link that states it was taken in that era. Do you have any evidence that disproves it? Besides Ogbos didn't trade with Binis and Yorubas. I told you they traded with other Easterners. Here's a link of Igbo trade routes prior to 1900.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Igbo_Trade_Routes_before_1900.svg

alj_harem:


www.nairaland.com/attachments/372914_Aba_Station_jpgb794cf2aeba0281086773d952972e2ea

trade with the white people, pretty industrialised then

the japanese had slippers long before then, but they werent made of rubber.

the modern one in the other photo is a relatively recent invention.

i cant see what shoes the people in this picture are wearing, but if it's slippers, then that casts doubt on the date attributed to the photo.

however, i dont think that's what they have on.

odumchi:

I provided you with the link that states it was taken in that era. Do you have any evidence that disproves it? Besides Ogbos didn't trade with Binis and Yorubas. I told you they traded with other Easterners. Here's a link of Igbo trade routes prior to 1900.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Igbo_Trade_Routes_before_1900.svg

this was the trading back then way before 1920's and pre-colonial era

odumchi if u notice, igbos did have trade with the binis then