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When You Pay Tithes, Is It Unto God Or To Pastors? by bunbit23: 9:36pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Daniel Ibrahim: GM Sir, I wish to know and learn, what's Ur take on Tithing (Tithe)? Also, when we pray, how are we to end it. Is it by saying "In Jesus name" or just saying "Amen"? Odogwu Akataaka: First of all, none asked you to pay tithes. If you are looking for what to do with your money and property, listen to the voice of truth and hear them saying "give". Give and it shall be given unto you! You are not an Israelite when you are born an Igbo, urhobo, ijaw, or Isekri man/woman. It wants a mistake you were born an Hausa, Fulani, Yoruba or Ashanti man/woman. The gods are wise! Therefore you were not by anyway asked to pay tithes to anyone today and tomorrow Problem with people is that 'some are good in bringing heavy loads upon themselves ignoring their little task". That which you were asked to do, you don't deem it right. It's that which you were not asked to do. You were asked to give to the poor, less privileged, the needy: this you find impossible. You became afraid but are happy giving to fools and deceivers in the name of religion and belief. How much do you know that the spirits you believed to be given do not care for your financial gift? Have you been told? Do you know that millions and billions you gave yesterday to any man is not a gift to holy spirits when you gave in orderliness? You don't give money to spirits because spirits do not eat money How does this information sound to you? Stupid or awkward? Does it sound like voice of wisdom? This is why you must think right like a human being with your god given brain. Brain is one thing that makes a clear difference between human and animals in the bush hence some animals look like human but can't think like us. While the most high gave instructions to the people of Israel to pay tithes. It was for the Levites. Do you know who they are? They are one tribe among the twelve tribes of Israel. They are the priest. They don't have a plot of land from the inheritance of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (like their brothers) The most high appointed them to be priest among the people.. He made a provision for them as priest, who have no portions and inheritance from their ancestors (like other tribes). It was for this reason he asked other tribes to pay tithes to them (the Levites) Because it was his command. This is what attract a blessing when you do it, he bless you for honoring his commands Hence the priest works for him to the services of the people (the Israelites) Therefore, whatever you give unto them for the love of the most high, you are given to him (the most high) as well This is why he said from the mouth of Malachi. Test and see if I will not open the floodgates of heaven and pour my blessings upon you |
Re: When You Pay Tithes, Is It Unto God Or To Pastors? by Nackzy: 9:39pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Melchizedek paid tithe, so it's being paid into God's representatives on earth, God has already told them what to do with the money Amos 3v7 But some pastor's are using it for their personal affairs |
Re: When You Pay Tithes, Is It Unto God Or To Pastors? by bunbit23: 9:46pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
A Nigerian that is paying tithe to a Nigerian, who asked you to do so? An Igbo man or woman that is paying tithe to a pastor (an igbo or Yoruba), who asked you to do so? None Jewish paying tithe, for what reason must you pay tithes to none levites? Do you pay tithes simply because you are a Christian or you are a Hebrew? Does your Christianity makes you a Jew (an Israelite)? What is your basic for tithing? You as a pastor who is collecting tithes from people, do you do so as a Levite or a priest? Are pastors priest? Do we know difference between pastors and priest? Do we know functions of priesthood? If you know, then tell me. Are pastors priest? Why is it that they have to receive tithes? And someone will ask me to talk about tithes as if it matters Look let me tell us. It was end of discussion when I said "Onye aghogburu ka agbara (the deceived becomes the looser) " If you like sow your wife and children in seed of faith and seed of love to pastors If you like pay your fathers inheritance to tithe pastors, the truth remains. Onye aghogburu ka agbara! I tell you, if not because of deception in Christianity which enriches their pockets: none of them would be their to answer a pastor Because it is paying like ATM machine, everyone wish to become a pastor This is why Tom and Jerry are there shouting and screaming like Mad Men in the name of prayers and preaching Promise Chizurumoke: Na so 1 Like |
Re: When You Pay Tithes, Is It Unto God Or To Pastors? by bunbit23: 9:58pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Odogwu Akataaka: You second question talks about prayers and how to end prayers Am surprised to read this question from a grown up. Nevertheless, it's not a surprise though. But then if I may asked. Before the coming of Christ (whom they call Jesus), have people not been praying? Promise Chizurumoke: Odogwuakataka nnam igadi, keep on with the truth, the gods and goddess will keep you, long life and more wisdom to you. Odogwu Akataaka: Was Christ the person who introduced prayers? Am sure you know he wasn't! Therefore, people have been praying before his birth We read about Hanah who prayed and his prayer was answered. He gave birth to Samuel We read about Elijah who prayed and rain failed (and so many other people if we must go through the Bible history) How did they prayed and in whose name did they prayed? Questions that begs for an answer To have the answers! Let's first and foremost understand what prayer is all about If you are asked to define prayers what do you say? What is a prayer and to whom do we pray? This is what wisdom has to say. A prayer is act of talking to the gods. You don't pray human. Because you don't pray human, you must understand that prayer are important For your prayers to have answer, you must know whom you pray for When you know whom you are praying to, that simply ask you to ask direct using knowledge of the truth. As you mote, so shall it be You don't need to pray with any name for your prayers to get answers Just say your prayers with wisdom, mote it: so shall it be Why? Because you were made in their image You don't need a second party to say his name for your prayers to be answered It's an offender that seek for a solicitor. If you are in good terms with the infinite possibilities, no point praying with name of Hezekiah and Nimrod, Jehoshaphat and Zephaniah Ask and it shall be given unto you (it is a natural mandate). Read accounts of creation to grow in wisdom. Wisdom is profitable to direct. If you like, forget about this and ask by my name, it's your piece of cake It doesn't make truth lies Our purpose of been here is to learn and understand how this world functions. The truth that governs planet earth and powers as seen in land beyond and heaven above If not these, we have no reason to be here And when this is been done, we are careful to avoid deception Here, we don't preach neither do we talk about believe and faith We talk about knowledge. The world doesn't and activities going on here do not function per believe and faith instead knowledge Knowledge is power Know what you suppose know |
Re: When You Pay Tithes, Is It Unto God Or To Pastors? by bunbit23: 10:14pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
james desmond: Please GM can you shed more light on John ch14;6 13 and 14 thanks Odogwu Akataaka: What does it say? james desmond: When Jesus says he is the way the light and the truth that no one goes to the father except through him And he says anything asked in his name he will do it Odogwu Akataaka: 6 Yeshua said, "I AM the Way- and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except through me. 7 Because you have known me, you will also know my Father; from now on, you do know him- in fact, you have seen him." 8 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it will be enough for us." 9 Yeshua replied to him, "Have I been with you so long without your knowing me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10 Don't you believe that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me? What I am telling you, I am not saying on my own initiative; the Father living in me is doing his own works. 11 Trust me, that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me. But if you can't, then trust because of the works themselves. 12 Yes, indeed! I tell you that whoever trusts in me will also do the works I do! Indeed, he will do greater ones, because I am going to the Father. 13 In fact, whatever you ask for in my name, I will do; so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. Read verse 13 james desmond: I have Odogwu Akataaka: Whatever you ask for in my name, I will do! No I ask you, before the birth of Yeshua, In whose name do people prayed? Or have people not been praying before his birth? james desmond: Yes they have Odogwu Akataaka: When they do pray, from your information, so they have answers to their prayers? If they do! Whose name have they been praying with? james desmond: In no one's name but to God directly Odogwu Akataaka: Then understand the words of Yeshua to his disciples using wisdom not sentiment Here, Yeshua first started telling the disciples about the father. When they wanted to find more about the father, because the father is a spirit (they can't see him). It was then he took the position, accepting he is the father Whereas earlier he was talking about the father. When Philip asked on behalf of the disciples to see the father, accepting it would be enough for them. It became a difficult task for Christ to make visible the invisible. It was at that point he took the position and person of the father saying "Have I been with you so long without your knowing me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Odogwu Akataaka: Are you following? Or do I lie? james desmond: Yes I am following Odogwu Akataaka: Now! He accepted to be the father so that the disciples faith in him could not be debated Did you see wisdom in his action? james desmond: Yes GM Odogwu Akataaka: It was at that point he forgot about the father (invibility) and started talking about himself (been visible) to help their faith grow stronger in him |
Re: When You Pay Tithes, Is It Unto God Or To Pastors? by bunbit23: 10:25pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
It was just like the serpent on the stake in the days of Moses The serpent was not a pain killer but a physical point of attraction to the people who needed a point of attraction to build up their trust in God This is a good example of what we do here. When we say we are doing Chi for you Some people would say (as a result of spiritual ignorant). It's a carved image. It has nothing in it. It's idolatry! And who said it has a thing in it when you lack powers, ability to see and understand things of the spirits? It was just like an ofeke would see the ark of covenant in the midst of Israelites and say its just a mere box To the eyes of an ofeke, when you open the ark, nothing truly but is found inside to say this is the spirit person (Ezumezu). Telling that "holy spirits" are right there. What am I saying? You can't understand spiritual saying if you are not in spirit. You can't have understanding of the things of the spirits if you don't have the connections. Not been in spirit is lacking spiritual knowledge When you see me, you have seen Ezumezu (holy spirits, the gods and goddesses). They are with me and I in them. So I can say, I am a god even when I know I am human james desmond: I'm following GM Odogwu Akataaka: If you say I am not a god, the gods in me would prove that beyond That was what Yeshua meant and this is just but the truth and definitions You may accept it to be true or not. The truth we know we make known to you. The truth you know shall set you free thus truth is life. We are more spiritual than physical. Embrace rituals to promote your spiritual life. If not this, no other way. This is spiritualism not physicalism. Ways of the gods are not ways of men. More light to our paths. Angels guide james desmond: I enjoy your teaching Now I see and understand the wisdom on that Bible verse thanks GM Uba Cynthia: More light on our paths Iseeeeeeeeee Anastecia Okpara: Iseeee this is knowledge Uju Aniebonam: Isimmili igbonile your words are knowledge! More light to your path GM Ajogwu: I'm learning Thanks GM Daniel Ibrahim: Good morning, GM, Odogwuakataaka of our generation and generations to come!!! I appreciate U for taking out time in love to explain deeply the question I asked. Now I know the truth. Now I understand better. Honestly, I'm grateful. May d Most High God, gods, goddesses bless U d more so we can continue to learn d more from U, Sir. |
Re: When You Pay Tithes, Is It Unto God Or To Pastors? by Nobody: 8:50am On Aug 25, 2018 |
bunbit23: does the Christian God have a GTBank account? |
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