Amarabae:
Having gone through your post, I really don't see how the doctors you met offended you,
You came for treatment to be well and not for an interview class with the doc, there are crowd waiting also to be attended to.
If he diagnose you, you have a phone, when you get home, you browse about the issue.
Simple.
You should not be in hospital to count which health professional laughed with you, you should be there to get help and go

I don't agree with you. The Korean doctor treating my father calls him every morning and night to verify if he took his medication. This is someone that has close to 30 patients to see in a day.Nigerian medical personnel are not trained to take care of patients. They care about connected patients and money alone.

murphyibiam15:
crap...every sector is guilty from bankers to road side sellers

May you live long, my brother!

Let them continue the finger pointing

phase1:


Is the medical laboratory request/result which also carries vital patient information like the provisional diagnosis, sex, Age and other anthropometric data not part of the patient's records which you claim is 'forbidden or a taboo' for the Medical Laboratory Scientist to 'see'?

The Dr can simply put in post menopausal symptoms in the form as a provisional diagnosis. The vital details of the person in question is not the bone of contention here, as im sure all identifiable markers were put on the form. It's not the lab scientist's business the full details of the discussion with the Dr. Do your own clerking as a lab scientist or even phlebotomist if you feel any questions are necessary.

Baroba:


The funny thing is you don't see them displaying this kind of arrogance when they travel out, I know a Doctor who told me in Nigeria he can experiment, walk someone out of his clinic but his hands are tied in Europe..

It only takes one of these English no nonsense Nurses to get them stuck off it they try that nonsense here.. Na straight reporting one time, before you know it you are facing the GMC..

So you guys know all these, but when health personnel in Nigeria attempt to get the government to improve health infrastructure working conditions, everybody else folds their hands as if it's not their business.

MissJoy29:

Thank you too for not being rude in your replies.

But it's true. Out of the ones I have met (whether majority or minority) only 1 stuck in my memory. Cos he saw the confusion and turmoil in my heart as reflected in my eyes about my ailment & he was patient enough to explain in the shortest time possible. We didn't spend the whole day. With the little I got from him, I did the rest research on my own. That's so much better.

@asking questions unnicely, how can someone be rude to a doctor in Nigeria? At least I haven't seen nor heard. You can't even get away with it. Lol. The whole world will hear it. You know how it is na.

Thanks for bringing servicom to my notice.

Yes o...keep it up sir. For it's good to be good.

How can someone be rude to a doctor?

Really?

Don't even go there

MissJoy29:

Thank you sir.

Nobody knows about these points listed here & how the government is large lying at fault more than I do. You know why? I'm an educationist. The neglect there just like in the health sector affects everyone. But I will not excuse any teacher who feels he/she still wants to do her job irrespective of the decay in the sector to do a haphazard job.
In other words, the little ones you have to do within your capacity, do it well.

I know doctor-patient ratio is very high. But does that mean a patient shouldn't be adequately catered for? Most teachers in government schools work their asses off too. due to work load. But I won't excuse that teacher for trying to cut corners to make things easier for him or her but affects everyone on the long run.

The thing is, a lot of doctors are just in the profession because they think it's a fast & legal way to make money. They are not passionate. That's my take.

I frankly don't agree with your statement about MOST Nigerian public school teachers working their asses off, at least not in the part of Nigeria where I live

The truth is that everyone knows where the best services are. A parent that wants the best teaching for his/her ward knows where to get it (and you will agree it is not in public schools), so far he can pay for it. Similarly, a patient that wants "abroad-like" medical care knows where to get it, even in this Nigeria.

Most Nigerians would however rather go to chemists, cheap hospitals where they employ paramedics to pose as doctors, or hospitals with understaffed doctors, just to cut costs, then come and complain when things go south

You can't go to mama put when you want to eat Chinese fried rice biko!

I don't agree any less with the Op, a lot of doctors have very crappy behaviours, not only doctors but other health practitioners as well. In short those who work in the hospital, even a record officer. They all have crappy behaviours.
I visit the hospital from time to time for one thing or the other and I see this inhumane behaviour all the time, but something I have Always done that works for me In every sector I find myself is to greet. It's gives one a level of respect
As a patient greet first and behave approachable. That way you will establish a good rapport with your doctor.
I have tried this a lot of times and it works.
Not excusing their inapproachable behaviour though but I must say Respect begat respect.

eyinjuege:


The Dr can simply put in post menopausal symptoms in the form as a provisional diagnosis. The vital details of the person in question is not the bone of contention here, as im sure all identifiable markers were put on the form. It's not the lab scientist's business the full details of the discussion with the Dr. Do your own clerking as a lab scientist or even phlebotomist if you feel any questions are necessary.

You were lamenting as if it is even a taboo for the Scientist to have an idea of the provisional diagnosis or complaint before running his investigations. You think you are dealing with gothic century lab professionals today? No properly trained Medical Scientist will touch a patient's sample without the request form properly filled, it will be sent back for proper documentation before investigation.

FYI, Consultant Medical Scientists in the UK can request for a patient's file for proper review of all laboratory tests history of the patient, same is applicable in the US, Australia etc. Medical laboratory Scientists are also medical confidants. Confidentiality is an integral part of their jobs that's why they are taught medical ethics in school.

[q
The last lpart touch me uote author=MissJoy29 post=70781806]I just hope this writing will be able to adequately capture my frustration, disappointment & dissatisfaction with the Nigeria Medical Doctors in particular & the Health sector in general.
I also apologise in advance for the long post.

For as long as I can remember, I have always been sceptical about going to hospitals. The attitude of the health workers there are nothing to write home about. Both the private and the public hospitals. Even though I still believe that public hospitals are far better than the private hospitals(especially the average ones) in terms of quality service(although you run the risk of dying before you are attended to due to how slow they are).

There are so many anomalies in our hospitals. I have seen & heard really bizzare stuffs going on. From the nonchalant, impatient and highly unprofessional attitude of the attendants, the unhealthy environment, the cranky and harsh attitude of the nurses, the fact that there's also "who you know mentality" when lives are at stake, the subtle way they bill you unnecessarily by paying for almost everything you do in the hospital(consultation fee, file retrieval fee, unit fee, buying of this & that for your treatment that you will end up leaving for them), the lack of medical equipment, the walking up & down paying for one thing or another at different times(even when you are not fit)instead of paying at once,the number of unqualified & seasoned doctors, the location of a hospital's laboratory on the last floor of a three-storey building(like, who does that!!!!), the high cost of drugs and other medical supplies in the hospital's pharmacy as opposed to their cost outside etc.

But I have a particular area I want to focus on.

THE ATTITUDE OF THE NIGERIAN DOCTOR
This thread was born out of my experiences this week at a teaching hospital. These experiences brought back all the others I have had to push to the back of my mind a long time ago for lack of an appropriate channel to express them. For the purpose of this thread, I'm going to use my experiences at ABSUTH (Abia State Teaching Hospital), LASUTH (Lagos State Teaching Hospital), LUTH (Lagos University Teaching Hospital), National Orthopaedic Hospital Igbobi & few private hospitals as yardsticks to buttress my grievances. I'm also going to put into consideration, the attitude of my close friends who are medical personnels.

Note: I'm not here to compare hospitals. I'm only using them to show that the attitudes of the doctors I met there may actually be same(or at least, almost same) with all of them in the country.

Firstly, if I have met 15 medical doctors, only 1 turned out to be sympathetic and humane. Apart from my family doctors and this sympathetic doctor, I don't think I will ever recognise any of the doctors I have seen again. But after 5 years or so, I still recognised him when I saw him again recently at same hospital(and I have memory problems) Why? He was probably the first doctor I ever saw who actually listened cos they WANT TO not cos they HAVE TO. There's a big difference. Most of them just hear you. They don't listen & they don't allow you talk. That's why they ask you questions based on what THEY THINK you feel & not on what you KNOW you feel.

Secondly, these doctors (except my humane doctor) make it look as if they are doing you a favour when they tell you about your ailment. It's as if they want you to pay consultation fees before they explain in details what you are passing through. What am I saying? One actually told me that! Inasmuch as I think majority of them don't actually know their profession that well, I still wonder why they choose to withhold & hoard information. It's bad enough they don't tell on their own without being asked. But it's even worse they withhold when asked. I have recurring ear ache that comes like every 2 years. This time around I asked the doctor (on the advice of a friend) what the cause of the problem is so I can avoid it. And he opened his mouth & said to me, "get solution first. What do you need the cause for? I was stunned to say the least!
Thirdly, they are always very harsh & impatient. You come in to a doctor's office, 30 seconds later, you are out with a piece of paper filled with their illegible writing just cos they are more concerned with what they are scribbling based on what they THINK you are going through than on what you are actually saying. They are hurrying to see as many patients as possible to collect as much money from them as possible and also to go to their private clinics. So no adequate time allocated to a patient.

Again, because of the attitude of some of these doctors, I'm really not surprised why I detest private hospitals because majorly, they are still the ones that establish it. The main reason why I hardly go to private hospitals is because I don't understand why someone will be, say an E.N.T doctor in a public hospital, but will end up being a GENERAL practitioner in his/her private hospital. They are now automatic Ob/gyn, optometrist, dentists, surgeons, paediatricians etc. I can't count the number of times they have mistreated cases they are supposed to refer to specialists like professionals do.

After venting like this, I'd like to hear from the house. Knowing that people in the medical profession are supposed to be warm, humane, sympathetic, kind, friendly, patient, a listener, polite, knowledgeable, seasoned, capable etc, why then do you think most Nigerian medical doctors are cold, nonchalant, impatient, unkind, harsh, rude, condescending? Is it because that's who they are normally or are there some things in the sector and/or in the training process that turn & change them into the aforementioned? Doctors in the house & non-doctors like me, over to you.

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Hmmmmn!!!
Dunno what to say.
Just know something, Nigeria is a deep shithole.
Good doctors are plenty though, I can assure you.

Because when you go out, one doctor don't attend to 120patients like you see in our general hospital. It's simple

Baroba:



The funny thing is you don't see them displaying this kind of arrogance when they travel out, I know a Doctor who told me in Nigeria he can experiment, walk someone out of his clinic but his hands are tied in Europe..

It only takes one of these English no nonsense Nurses to get them stuck off it they try that nonsense here.. Na straight reporting one time, before you know it you are facing the GMC..

pocohantas:
Hmmm...

You nor go get any contribution na. Since they’re not talking about relationships.
Na your department be that

MissJoy29:

Thank you too for not being rude in your replies.

But it's true. Out of the ones I have met (whether majority or minority) only 1 stuck in my memory. Cos he saw the confusion and turmoil in my heart as reflected in my eyes about my ailment & he was patient enough to explain in the shortest time possible. We didn't spend the whole day. With the little I got from him, I did the rest research on my own. That's so much better.
@asking questions unnicely, how can someone be rude to a doctor in Nigeria? At least I haven't seen nor heard. You can't even get away with it. Lol. The whole world will hear it. You know how it is na.

Thanks for bringing servicom to my notice.

Yes o...keep it up sir. For it's good to be good.

Concerning your question "How can someone be rude to a doctor? ". Believe you me, I have seen a lot personally and even with my colleagues. I'm sure you understand that some people are naturally arrogant and very ill-mannered. Some of these people talk to doctors as if they are talking to their subordinates, especially when the doctor is a female. I have witnessed 2 outstanding situations in which patients' relatives assaulted doctors. The first doctor was a male and the patient's (a child) mother because he didn't attend to her on time threatened to call the police despite the fact that her child's case wasn't an emergency and she met other parents waiting with their wards. She slapped the doctor and got sent out of the hospital while her child's case file was marked with red marker. That was the end of the clinic for that day.
The second was a similar scenario but happened to a female doctor whose clothes were torn by a patient's mother. People had to run around and get something to cover her up. They did the same thing they did in the first case to her (the mother).
These stories are hardly aired because the doctors don't hit back as it will be against them. Even when they are aired, the stories are skewed against the doctors.
I have had to walk away from aggressive and arrogant patients and relatives sometimes to avoid being assaulted.
Most of those people don't tell the full stories and the doctors are not usually there to defend themselves.
As there are bad doctors, there are equally bad and sometimes even worse patients and relatives.

higgs:
It is really a sqad situation. I still remember the first and only time I visited UNTH, Enugu with my late brother. To do an x ray there was a herculean task. A colleague of mine once had an accident and was in the teaching hospital at Nnewi. I was shocked to see how dirty the toilet there was when I visited. The truth is that the quality of service in most of our hospitals is very poor. That is one of the reasons for the relatively low life expectancy in Nigeria today.

So what are you saying is it the doctors that will wash the �

Tellemall:
Because doctors are too important. But without engineers they would not even have syringes. Without microbiologists sterile instruments/solns. Without electricians lighting. Without public health officers no clean well ventilated rooms. Without cleaners dusty tables. Without carpenters no chairs or desk.But we can always replace a doctor with Google as earlier mentioned. It's finished.

I must say that I've read many dull comments today on this thread.
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Congrats�

Tellemall:
I am not an engineer. It was just a valid example, Dr. I hope you haven't given anyone diabetic ketoacidosis with t hose huge soft gels you normally have filled with dextrose? Prostitution has dibs on age, so doctors should take a chill pill.

Okay
You just outdid yourself
Good job

Vickygarl:

Concerning your question "How can someone be rude to a doctor? ". Believe you me, I have seen a lot personally and even with my colleagues. I'm sure you understand that some people are naturally arrogant and very ill-mannered. Some of these people talk to doctors as if they are talking to their subordinates, especially when the doctor is a female. I have witnessed 2 outstanding situations in which patients' relatives assaulted doctors. The first doctor was a male and the patient's (a child) mother because he didn't attend to her on time threatened to call the police despite the fact that her child's case wasn't an emergency and she met other parents waiting with their wards. She slapped the doctor and got sent out of the hospital while her child's case file was marked with red marker. That was the end of the clinic for that day.
The second was a similar scenario but happened to a female doctor whose clothes were torn by a patient's mother. People had to run around and get something to cover her up. They did the same thing they did in the first case to her (the mother).
These stories are hardly aired because the doctors don't hit back as it will be against them. Even when they are aired, the stories are skewed against the doctors.
I have had to walk away from aggressive and arrogant patients and relatives sometimes to avoid being assaulted.
Most of those people don't tell the full stories and the doctors are not usually there to defend themselves.
As there are bad doctors, there are equally bad and sometimes even worse patients and relatives.

Thanks for sharing. I personally haven't seen nor heard such stories till now. But of course that doesn't mean there are no such cases.

Stay safe please.

Hahjascho:
[q The last lpart touch me uote author=MissJoy29 post=70781806]

It did?

yemmy75:


I frankly don't agree with your statement about MOST Nigerian public school teachers working their asses off, at least not in the part of Nigeria where I live

The truth is that everyone knows where the best services are. A parent that wants the best teaching for his/her ward knows where to get it (and you will agree it is not in public schools), so far he can pay for it. Similarly, a patient that wants "abroad-like" medical care knows where to get it, even in this Nigeria.

Most Nigerians would however rather go to chemists, cheap hospitals where they employ paramedics to pose as doctors, or hospitals with understaffed doctors, just to cut costs, then come and complain when things go south

You can't go to mama put when you want to eat Chinese fried rice biko!

So what are you saying in essence?

yemmy75:

How can someone be rude to a doctor?

Really?

Don't even go there

Yeah I asked cos I haven't witnessed a case. But that doesn't mean it's not possible like I answered @Vickygarl.

omooba969:

Leave pretty amarabae alone o.

I ain't holding anyone mbok.

Caseless:

Looking at what you stated below, I want to ask. Have you visited the national ear centre before?

No I haven't. Where is it please?

Cmanforall:

I feel the pains of our teachers and the deplorable state of our education sector. If given the opportunity, I will make the teaching profession (primary and secondary ) the highest paid in the country.
According to your last paragraph, I don't think it is wrong to choose a profession and get trained in line with the profession for a legally financial stability. However, it is totally wrong not to work in line with the ethics and practice of the chosen profession.

Gbam @bolded. You should be a national debater. Lol. You just floored me not with abuses and rants but with valid & sound arguments. You are right. Every profession has ethics and code of conduct. The professionals therein should abide by them or quit. Let's not try to cut corners where something as important as lives are concerned.

As for the education sector, the kind of burden I have for that sector is unbearable.
I just need an opportunity or chance to make an input.

May God help us all.

MissJoy29:

No I haven't. Where is it please?

Kaduna state. Have you been to Kaduna before? You'd meet specialists there as it's the only one in Nigeria.

Caseless:
Kaduna state. Have you been to Kaduna before? You'd meet specialists there as it's the only one in Nigeria.

Wow. Would have loved to go there. I have never been to Kaduna before & I'm very far from it now.

It's well!

MissJoy29:

Wow. Would have loved to go there. I have never been to Kaduna before & I'm very far from it now.

It's well!

where are you? Nowhere can be far if it's about your health.

NobodyKnows:
You nor go get any contribution na. Since they’re not talking about relationships.
Na your department be that

The topic struck close to home. You know nothing about my department.

MissJoy29:

So what are you saying in essence?

Go to where you can get the type of medical services you want... And be ready to pay for it

IZIBLAZE4JESUS:
Being a health practitioner myself, i can say most of what you said up there are true having also passed through some nonchalant attitude of some Nurses (in particular ). However u must also try to view thibgs from The Doctors point of view. Most hospitals are understaffed, un equipped and unfit for top services as compared to those outside the country. This doesn't give room for any lackadaisical attitude bt it sure foes have an effect on the Health workers too

We understand the health sector is utterly messed up but its wrong to transfer your frustrations on innocent people bearing the same brunt as you are. My Ma is a retired nurse and I know the way she took her job with utmost importance and care for the patients she met daily. A lot of rewards came from her hospital and patients when she retired. Its a pity those breed of doctors and nurses of those days are almost non existent now as the ones of today are only interested in money and more money and virtually have no passion for the job.
This disease is everywhere in the health sector and is a reflection of the malaise in our society.

lilkid2435:

Okay
You just outdid yourself
Good job

You must be a Stoopid little kid, from planet senseless.

bornolowu:
you are still getting it wrong.write your symptoms put it on Google doctor and get a diagnosis will never take the place of a doctor. It only aids the ease of services. IF you read me very well you will see I admitted the doctor should have told her the cause of the ailment, that's what so many doctors do here in Nigeria (well except some doctors in Lagos state teaching hospitals. I have experienced it too) but she must help herself. Your "doctor appear to be the cause of their problem" shows your level of ignorance and I regret taking time to reply an ignoramus( I didnt see that part on time). Peace with you!!

You must be one of those doctors we all hate, your last words prove it.

Once people don't read medicine they are ignoramuses to you, the elite, who cries about its low pay as a doctor. Idiocy must be the criteria for becoming a doctor if items like you are anything to go by. Or auxillary nursing or whatever it is that is pushing you over the cliff of pride. Won't be surprised there's nothing to you and your ignorant talk.

If doctors were as enlightened as you think yourself to be (from public school to public university) they would've instead read accounting or something else and stop crying as if they are the only people who work. Nobody gives two cares if you work all day. A doctor knows what it means to be a doctor. Other professionals know, why can't doctors in Nigeria?

I am not an ignoramus.

You, on the other hand, lack the ability to reason. No peace for trouble makers.

Kabaka100:
I'll just give u radical explanation on why we have this epidemic of attitude problems in our medical sector and other professional sectors too.
Focussing on the medical sector, once u see a doctor with stupid attitude and another with good attitude, I urge u to first to make a quick guess of the doctor's background and environmental influences b4 he/she became s doctor. In most cases if u do further research into that doctor's background, u will understand that in most cases doctors from well to do families will treat u better than doctors from poor families and backgrounds. This is not so 100% all the time but it is so about 98% of the time.
The logical reason for this is because rich people to to make this easy for their kids while poor people can even they try but their struggle like them till the become doctor. So when these doctors from different background go out in the real world, they will treat kike they see the world. Most doctors from the rich family will make tgeir patients feel good because thats how they see their workd while the doctors from tge poor familiees will make things rough for the patients because psychologically they are on a rebellion against a systm which made them suffer. This rebellious attitude applies to all sectors of our system, from politcs to medicine. The people in that system are just responding, reacting and and in most cases rebelling againt the foundation which has moulded them to what they've become. It's just human nature and if not kept in check with system designed punishments, it can destroy a nation like its affecting all our sectirs right now

I agree 100 % with you on this one.
A!lot of Nigerians are psychologically transducer due to the sufferings and all.

Even tho they don't admit it, it's true