By

Ibn Abdillah As-sudaisiy Al-Iloori

Soothsaying and fortunetelling in whatever form is shirk and every Muslim must move away from it. The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said in one hadith that the soothsayers are liars, even if what they say turns to be true. Soothsayers and their magics should not be believed by a Muslim. The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم describe their ways in many hadiths. They use the Jins to steal information being communicated in the heavens between Allah سبحانه وتعالى and His Angels. Once they get one truth, they mix it with 100 falsehood just to deceive their ignorant followers. [See the explanation of Q34:23 and the hadiths of Abu Hurayrah and An-Nawwas ibn Sam'aan رضي الله عنهما in Saheeh Bukhari].

Aisha رضي الله عنها reported that some people asked the Messenger of Allaah صلى الله عليه وسلم about soothsayers. The Messenger of Allaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said, “They are upon nothing.” They said, “O Messenger of Allaah, sometimes they speak about something that comes true.” The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said,

تِلْكَ الْكَلِمَةُ مِنْ الْجِنِّ يَخْطَفُهَا الْجِنِّيُّ فَيَقُرُّهَا فِي أُذُنِ وَلِيِّهِ قَرَّ الدَّجَاجَةِ فَيَخْلِطُونَ فِيهَا أَكْثَرَ مِنْ مِائَةِ كَذْبَةٍ

“Those are the words snatched by the jinn who whisper it into the ears of their friends and it is mixed with more than one hundred lies.” [Sahih Muslim 2228]

So, it could be that what they say sometimes come to pass by Allah's Will, yet the real truth resides in Allah alone. But don't be deceived. They are not to be believed. How many times have they said something, which later turned to be lies. They only play on the intelligence of their ignorant followers. And once a Muslim falls into their hands, he may never return to Islaam again. Allaah's aid is sought.

For instance, many of those who use these demonic powers in checking marriage compatibilty end up in divorce, didn't they check it properly before they got married? If checking through these kufru means is the good way, why do they still get it wrong in most cases? This is an indication that only the guidance of Allaah is reliable. Muslims should also shun all those applications on social media that promotes horoscope. Horoscope is not to be joked with in whatever form.

And don't be deceived, those Alfas or Mallams using sand or any other thing to foretell the future fall under this ruling. There is no proof from the Qur'an and Sunnah that exempts them. They ascribe hidden knowledge to themselves. Whereas, the knowledge of the unseen is exclusive to Allaah alone. Even the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم didn't know more than what Allaah made to know and he did not claim to know the ghaib or baatin (the hidden) like the sufis claim in our world today.

There are proofs from the Qur'an and Sunnah that the practice of soothsaying or fortune telling in whatever form is kufr. In a hadith, Safiyyah رضي الله عنها reported from some of the wives of Allah's Apostle صلى الله عليه وسلم that he said:

"‏ مَنْ أَتَى عَرَّافًا فَسَأَلَهُ عَنْ شَىْءٍ لَمْ تُقْبَلْ لَهُ صَلاَةٌ أَرْبَعِينَ لَيْلَةً"‏

"He who visits a soothsayer ('Arraf) and asks him about anything, his prayers extending to forty nights will not be accepted". [Sahih Muslim, 2230]

In another hadith, Abu Hurayrah رضي الله عنه reported that the Messenger of Allaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

مَنْ أَتَى كَاهِنًا، أَوْ عَرَّافًا، فَصَدَّقَهُ بِمَا يَقُولُ، فَقَدْ كَفَرَ بِمَا أُنْزِلَ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ».

“Whoever visits a soothsayer and believes in what he says has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad.” [Ahmad, Graded Sahih by Al-Albaani]

May Allah guide us aright

Source: http://www.assudaisiy.com/2018/09/evil-of-soothsaying-foretelling-and.html

assudaisiy:
By

Ibn Abdillah As-sudaisiy Al-Iloori

Soothsaying and fortunetelling in whatever form is shirk and every Muslim must move away from it. The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said in one hadith that the soothsayers are liars, even if what they say turns to be true. Soothsayers and their magics should not be believed by a Muslim. The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم describe their ways in many hadiths. They use the Jins to steal information being communicated in the heavens between Allah سبحانه وتعالى and His Angels. Once they get one truth, they mix it with 100 falsehood just to deceive their ignorant followers. [See the explanation of Q34:23 and the hadiths of Abu Hurayrah and An-Nawwas ibn Sam'aan رضي الله عنهما in Saheeh Bukhari].

Aisha رضي الله عنها reported that some people asked the Messenger of Allaah صلى الله عليه وسلم about soothsayers. The Messenger of Allaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said, “They are upon nothing.” They said, “O Messenger of Allaah, sometimes they speak about something that comes true.” The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said,

تِلْكَ الْكَلِمَةُ مِنْ الْجِنِّ يَخْطَفُهَا الْجِنِّيُّ فَيَقُرُّهَا فِي أُذُنِ وَلِيِّهِ قَرَّ الدَّجَاجَةِ فَيَخْلِطُونَ فِيهَا أَكْثَرَ مِنْ مِائَةِ كَذْبَةٍ

“Those are the words snatched by the jinn who whisper it into the ears of their friends and it is mixed with more than one hundred lies.” [Sahih Muslim 2228]

So, it could be that what they say sometimes come to pass by Allah's Will, yet the real truth resides in Allah alone. But don't be deceived. They are not to be believed. How many times have they said something, which later turned to be lies. They only play on the intelligence of their ignorant followers. And once a Muslim falls into their hands, he may never return to Islaam again. Allaah's aid is sought.

For instance, many of those who use these demonic powers in checking marriage compatibilty end up in divorce, didn't they check it properly before they got married? If checking through these kufru means is the good way, why do they still get it wrong in most cases? This is an indication that only the guidance of Allaah is reliable. Muslims should also shun all those applications on social media that promotes horoscope. Horoscope is not to be joked with in whatever form.

And don't be deceived, those Alfas or Mallams using sand or any other thing to foretell the future fall under this ruling. There is no proof from the Qur'an and Sunnah that exempts them. They ascribe hidden knowledge to themselves. Whereas, the knowledge of the unseen is exclusive to Allaah alone. Even the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم didn't know more than what Allaah made to know and he did not claim to know the ghaib or baatin (the hidden) like the sufis claim in our world today.

There are proofs from the Qur'an and Sunnah that the practice of soothsaying or fortune telling in whatever form is kufr. In a hadith, Safiyyah رضي الله عنها reported from some of the wives of Allah's Apostle صلى الله عليه وسلم that he said:

"‏ مَنْ أَتَى عَرَّافًا فَسَأَلَهُ عَنْ شَىْءٍ لَمْ تُقْبَلْ لَهُ صَلاَةٌ أَرْبَعِينَ لَيْلَةً"‏

"He who visits a soothsayer ('Arraf) and asks him about anything, his prayers extending to forty nights will not be accepted". [Sahih Muslim, 2230]

In another hadith, Abu Hurayrah رضي الله عنه reported that the Messenger of Allaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

مَنْ أَتَى كَاهِنًا، أَوْ عَرَّافًا، فَصَدَّقَهُ بِمَا يَقُولُ، فَقَدْ كَفَرَ بِمَا أُنْزِلَ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ».

“Whoever visits a soothsayer and believes in what he says has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad.” [Ahmad, Graded Sahih by Al-Albaani]

May Allah guide us aright

Source: http://www.assudaisiy.com/2018/09/evil-of-soothsaying-foretelling-and.html

Can we run away from praying behind them Alfas if there's sure evidence they do the act?

Rashduct4luv:


Can we run away from praying behind them Alfas if there's sure evidence they do the act?

Na'am, you have to stop praying behind them once you know the alfas are into it, there is no solat for a kafir. soothsayers/fortune tellers are kufar.

First all, it may be difficult to tell if someone indulges in it. We are not to police people's private life. This is suspicion and suspicion is haram. Fortune telling usually done in private. Therefore, if you don't know for sure but you only base your judgement on suspicions, you may be sining. We generally pray behind whoever leads prayer. We are not to question his privacy. What is required of imam is to know basics of fiqh of salat.

We can not base our judgement on hearsays and then excommunicate imam on that. Also, even if we eventually know, this case is like trying to persecute adulterers. Adulterers are not easy to catch. Therefore, if you want to know someone indulges, you need to know the details of it. For instance, iyepe tite. You visit his house and you see "opon iyepe" on his table and then you conclude in your mind that he must be indulging in fortune telling. And then you see him in the masjid leading salat and you start causing trouble without knowing details, you have just created fitna in the House of Allah. This is what the guy in London, a self proclaimed "alfa" who criticizes ilorin alfas did. He said he saw opon iyepe in a masjid when he went to nigeria and he started accusing them of shirk. This is very senseless. Obviously this iyepe is used for Wudhu.


This opon iyepe is used for dry ablution (tayammum). Those babas and mamas used to have it in their living rooms and it was used for nothing beyond that. Also, it is used for hisab (accounting). This is where some modern alfa especially young ones got it wrong. There is no jinn inside iyepe telling them the future unless individual specifically use it for that. Hisab aspect is similar to doctor analysing lab tests like ultrasound, MRI etc. Let's say you have not been eating much. Maybe you only eat once a day. Six months later you visit your doctor for general check up. He will take your blood and urine and ask you to come a week or two later. Doctor's report will show in their experiment that you are "fasting". How did doctor know this?. He used hisab. His hisab tells him that you are not eating much. It is not Jinn telling him that. Those baba used this back in the days. They also have tira written by medieval scholars on how to check status of someone on a trip etc. This is equivalent to tracking aircraft from nigeria to London. Islam permits this simple arithmetic.


So modern technology tapped everything from islam while we the "owners" were asleep. At the same time, there are people who use it for haram activities where they tell the future by consulting Jinn. So you can see appearance of iyepe tite, hisab and wudhu are similar. But their realities are different. So before you accuse someone, make sure you know the details. So the last aspect i just described is what Nabi Muhammad (saw) condemned. It is this one referred to as "ati eni to teyepe, ati eni to lo yewo, awon mejeji ma wo ina ni straight" bcus they disbelieve in what was revealed to nabi Muhammad(saw). That been said, if you wanna refute Imam for doing "soothsaying", you better be very careful so that you dont commit sin in the process. It is deeper than what some of us might think.

Appearance and reality can be very different. The same is true of "kanako". Kanako ti olohun is different from shayateen but they may have similar appearances just like mujiza/karama compared to magic. A muslim should be able to tell the difference. But today, we have extremists on both sides. One side has taken "hisab" to another level but in fact it is not hisab but fortune telling while other side doesn't care to get facts before condemnation because he only perceives from afar. This one only reads hadith literally and concludes that whoever is using iyepe must be fortuneteller. This is wrong.

And Allah knows best

G

"They use the Jins to steal information being communicated in the heavens between Allah and His Angels"

Empiree:
First all, it may be difficult to tell if someone indulges in it. We are not to police people's private life. This is suspicion and suspicion is haram. Fortune telling usually done in private. Therefore, if you don't know for sure but you only base your judgement on suspicions, you may be sining. We generally pray behind whoever leads prayer. We are not to question his privacy. What is required of imam is to know basics of fiqh of salat.

We can not base our judgement on hearsays and then excommunicate imam on that. Also, even if we eventually know, this case is like trying to persecute adulterers. Adulterers are not easy to catch. Therefore, if you want to know someone indulges, your need to know the details of it. For instance, iyepe tite. You visit his house and you see "opon iyepe" on his table and then you conclude in your mind that he must be indulging in fortune telling. And then you see him in the masjid leading salat and you start causing trouble without knowing details, you have just created fitna in the House of Allah. This is what the guy in London, a self proclaimed "alfa" who criticizes ilorin alfas. He said he saw opon iyepe in a masjid when he went to nigeria and he started accusing them of shirk. This is very senseless. Obviously this iyepe is used for Wudhu.


This opon iyepe is used for dry ablution (tayammum). Those babas and mamas used to have it in their living rooms and it was used for nothing beyond that. Also, it is used for hisab (accounting). This is where some modern alfa especially young ones got it wrong. There is no jinn inside iyepe telling them the future unless individual specifically use it for that. Hisab aspect is similar to doctor analysing lab tests like ultrasound, MRI etc. Let's say you have not been eating much. Maybe you only eat once a day. Six months later you visit your doctor for general check up. He will take your blood and urine and ask you to come a week or two later. Doctor's report will show in their experiment that you are "fasting". How did doctor know this?. He used hisab. His hisab tells him that you are not eating much. It is not Jinn telling him that. Those baba used this back in the days. They also have tira written by medieval scholars on how to check status of someone on a trip etc. This is equivalent to tracking aircraft from nigeria to London. Islam permits this simple arithmetic.


So modern technology tapped everything from islam while we the owner were asleep. At the same time, there are people who use it for haram activities where they tell the future by consulting Jinn. So you can see appearance of iyepe tite, hisab and wudhu are similar. But their realities are different. So before you accuse someone, make sure you know the details. So the last aspect i just described is what Nabi Muhammad (saw) condemned. It is this one referred to as "ati eni to teyepe, ati eni to lo yewo, awon mejeji ma wo ina ni straight" bcus they disbelieve in what was revealed to nabi Muhammad(saw). That been said, if you wanna refute Imam for doing "soothsaying", you better be very careful so that you dont commit sin in the process. It is deeper than what some of us might think.

Appearance and reality can be very different. The same is true of "kanako". Kanako ti olohun is different from shayateen but they may have similar appearances just like mujiza/karama compared to magic. A muslim should be able to tell the difference. But today, we have extremists on both sides. One side has taken "hisab" to another level but in fact it is not hisab but fortune telling while other side doesn't care to get facts before condemnation because he only perceives from afar. This one only reads hadith literally and concludes that whoever is using iyepe must be fortuneteller. This is wrong.

And Allah knows best

This is deep. and the lines/boundaries are so thin else u cross into shrik. However, the safest is to stay away from these things to avoid transgression.

Kata Kata

drealaz24:


This is deep. and the lines/boundaries are so thin else u cross into shrik. However, the safest is to stay away from these things to avoid transgression.

yes. This is where iklas comes in. A Muslim should not just do this without knowledge. A Muslim must be grounded in figh first

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If you are not 100% sure the Imam is doing it but you are hearing something like it in his lectures (showing that he believes in it), can you still pray behind him?

Empiree:
[s]First all, it may be difficult to tell if someone indulges in it. We are not to police people's private life. This is suspicion and suspicion is haram. Fortune telling usually done in private. Therefore, if you don't know for sure but you only base your judgement on suspicions, you may be sining. We generally pray behind whoever leads prayer. We are not to question his privacy. What is required of imam is to know basics of fiqh of salat.

We can not base our judgement on hearsays and then excommunicate imam on that. Also, even if we eventually know, this case is like trying to persecute adulterers. Adulterers are not easy to catch. Therefore, if you want to know someone indulges, you need to know the details of it. For instance, iyepe tite. You visit his house and you see "opon iyepe" on his table and then you conclude in your mind that he must be indulging in fortune telling. And then you see him in the masjid leading salat and you start causing trouble without knowing details, you have just created fitna in the House of Allah. This is what the guy in London, a self proclaimed "alfa" who criticizes ilorin alfas did. He said he saw opon iyepe in a masjid when he went to nigeria and he started accusing them of shirk. This is very senseless. Obviously this iyepe is used for Wudhu.


This opon iyepe is used for dry ablution (tayammum). Those babas and mamas used to have it in their living rooms and it was used for nothing beyond that. Also, it is used for hisab (accounting). This is where some modern alfa especially young ones got it wrong. There is no jinn inside iyepe telling them the future unless individual specifically use it for that. Hisab aspect is similar to doctor analysing lab tests like ultrasound, MRI etc. Let's say you have not been eating much. Maybe you only eat once a day. Six months later you visit your doctor for general check up. He will take your blood and urine and ask you to come a week or two later. Doctor's report will show in their experiment that you are "fasting". How did doctor know this?. He used hisab. His hisab tells him that you are not eating much. It is not Jinn telling him that. Those baba used this back in the days. They also have tira written by medieval scholars on how to check status of someone on a trip etc. This is equivalent to tracking aircraft from nigeria to London. Islam permits this simple arithmetic.


So modern technology tapped everything from islam while we the owner were asleep. At the same time, there are people who use it for haram activities where they tell the future by consulting Jinn. So you can see appearance of iyepe tite, hisab and wudhu are similar. But their realities are different. So before you accuse someone, make sure you know the details. So the last aspect i just described is what Nabi Muhammad (saw) condemned. It is this one referred to as "ati eni to teyepe, ati eni to lo yewo, awon mejeji ma wo ina ni straight" bcus they disbelieve in what was revealed to nabi Muhammad(saw). That been said, if you wanna refute Imam for doing "soothsaying", you better be very careful so that you dont commit sin in the process. It is deeper than what some of us might think.

Appearance and reality can be very different. The same is true of "kanako". Kanako ti olohun is different from shayateen but they may have similar appearances just like mujiza/karama compared to magic. A muslim should be able to tell the difference. But today, we have extremists on both sides. One side has taken "hisab" to another level but in fact it is not hisab but fortune telling while other side doesn't care to get facts before condemnation because he only perceives from afar. This one only reads hadith literally and concludes that whoever is using iyepe must be fortuneteller. This is wrong.[/s]

And Allah knows best

Rubbish!

Mr man, don't deceive people into committing shirk! Don't deceive people into Kufr! I know you're probably into "Jalabi". You don't want people to spoil business for you!

Using "opon iyepe" for your so-called accounting is shirk! There's nothing like accounting here other than soothsaying/fortune-telling! It has been condemned by the Prophet (SAW).

Soothsaying is shirk!

Fortune-telling is shirk!

"Jalabi" is shirk!

Your so-called "kanako" is shirk!

Using "Tira" is shirk!

Don't deceive people into Kufr!

"Call upon Me; I will respond to you." (Qur'an 40:60). This is the statement of Allah (SWT) from the Qur'an.

The words of Allah (SWT) and the statements of the Prophet (SAW) are crystal clear on the issue of soothsaying/fortune-telling.

Stop deceiving people!

MrOlai:


Rubbish!

Mr man, don't deceive people into committing shirk! Don't deceive people into Kufr! I know you're probably into "Jalabi". You don't want people to spoil business for you!

Using "opon iyepe" for your so-called accounting is shirk! There's nothing like accounting here other than soothsaying/fortune-telling! It has been condemned by the Prophet (SAW).

Soothsaying is shirk!

Fortune-telling is shirk!

"Jalabi" is shirk!

Your so-called "kanako" is shirk!

Using "Tira" is shirk!

Don't deceive people into Kufr!

"Call upon Me; I will respond to you." (Qur'an 40:60). This is the statement of Allah (SWT) from the Qur'an.

The words of Allah (SWT) and the statements of the Prophet (SAW) are crystal clear on the issue of soothsaying/fortune-telling.

Stop deceiving people!

Who is this one?. But you believe weatherman telling you 5 days forecast, right?. What do you call that?. You believe doctor telling your wife what is in the womb, correct?. Doesn't Quran speaks against these too?. If you dont understand what I posted up there, kindly not quote me. Clear?.

Before modern technology, what was used?

Before modern hospital what was used?

Modern "life support" machine that allegedly "save" lives falls in this categories too. If you believe the machine keeps someone alive, you have committed shirk. God forbid, i am sure if your family member is in life and death situation and "life support" machine is suggested, you won't hesitate to use it which means you believe it saves.

You can not say "this is technology and it is different". No. They are the same essence. Please stop sticking your nose in what you dont know. No one's telling you to visit soothsayers. Get over your ego. You fall in this category i described above.

Empi.ree:
other side doesn't care to get facts before condemnation because he only perceives from afar. This one only reads hadith literally and concludes that whoever is using iyepe must be fortuneteller. This is wrong.

What the prophet(saw) condemned are those who play God by claiming to know the future. Like Osanyin, Osun worshippers, "Alfa" who claims knowledge of ghaib for himself independent of Allah etc. If you give blanket declaration of shirk, how about those waliy that Allah bestowed firasa (spiritual acumen or ability to perceive the future), like Ibn Taymiyyah(ra) who foretold some events to occur in the future, especially regarding the Mongols?. Difference is, waliy refers back to Allah while the formers claim unseen for themself.

If you want, watch this 4mins clip. He explained exactly what i said. He explained the difference btw the two.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5zQ1bVrb9c

kazade:
If you are not 100% sure the Imam is doing it but you are hearing something like it in his lectures (showing that he believes in it), can you still pray behind him?

Report to the masjid committee. Let them do independent investigation. Your duty is only to report it. You are not to cause trouble by making takfir of the Imam. That's why you have committee. And if you feel committee is taking long or not responding, you may stop praying behind him on your own without making trouble.

Simply ignore the imam. That's all. Only authority (committee) is assigned to challenge Imam not every Tom and Harry

Empiree:
Report to the masjid committee. Let them do independent investigation. Your duty is only to report it. You are not to cause trouble by making takfir of the Imam. That's why you have committee. And if you feel committee is taking long or not responding, you may stop praying behind him on your own without making trouble.

Simply ignore the imam. That's all. Only authority (committee) is assigned to challenge Imam not every Tom and Harry

May Allah (Sw) guide you guy (empire), I don't know how person would be doing like this, He knows the truth and defending the fallacy.

Sarcasm01:


May Allah (Sw) guide you guy (empire), I don't know how person would be doing like this, He knows the truth and defending the fallacy.

so what do you suggest?. Everyone should be boss in the masjid and make up their own ruling and cause chaos in the House of Allah?. What's the point of having committee then?.

It is already happening if you don't know. Muslims chase out fellow Muslims from the masjid because the later are making dua after salat. So they said it is innovation therefore they chased them out of mosque. Is this Sunnah?.

If you know imam is doing something wrong simply report to the committee. What's wrong with my suggestion?. If don't want to pray behind an imam, then go elsewhere instead of causing trouble

.

MrOlai:


Rubbish!

Mr man, don't deceive people into committing shirk! Don't deceive people into Kufr! I know you're probably into "Jalabi". You don't want people to spoil business for you!

Using "opon iyepe" for your so-called accounting is shirk! There's nothing like accounting here other than soothsaying/fortune-telling! It has been condemned by the Prophet (SAW).

Soothsaying is shirk!

Fortune-telling is shirk!

"Jalabi" is shirk!

Your so-called "kanako" is shirk!

Using "Tira" is shirk!

Don't deceive people into Kufr!

"Call upon Me; I will respond to you." (Qur'an 40:60). This is the statement of Allah (SWT) from the Qur'an.

The words of Allah (SWT) and the statements of the Prophet (SAW) are crystal clear on the issue of soothsaying/fortune-telling.

Stop deceiving people!

The guy's post is hilarious, trying to make a case for the unjustifiable sounded even more stupid, may Allaah open his heart to pristine Islam and keep us all steadfast on his path, Aameen.

dragnet:

The guy's post is hilarious, trying to make a case for the unjustifiable sounded even more stupid, may Allaah open his heart to pristine Islam and keep us all steadfast on his path, Aameen.

Dragnet are you a muslim? i doubt sha. If you truly are ask for forgiveness alot cos you are a biased person, since Nairaland na your birth right. Hold unto it

dragnet be ready to hit me with multiple ban. i am ready for you