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Israel Claims Russian Version Of Il-20 Incident Is Fake by jnhmaxxwell: 11:10pm On Sep 23, 2018
On September 23, the Israeli military rejected the Russian accusation that it was behind the downing of the Il-20 intelligence plane on September 17 and insisted that the coordinate mechanism with Russia was used properly prior to the incident.

“The deconfliction mechanism operated in the relevant timeframe (as it has been operating over the last two and a half years,” the Israeli military said in an official statement.

Furthermore, the Israeli military repeated its claims that Israeli Air Force (IAF) warplanes were in Israeli airspace at the time of the downing of the Russian plane. The Israeli military went on to blame Syria for the incident once again and vowed to continue its operations against Iranian forces in the war torn country.

“The IDF [Israeli Defense Forces] will continue to operate in accordance with the directives of the Israeli Government against Iran’s incessant attempts to establish itself in Syria and to arm the terrorist organization Hezbollah with lethal and accurate weapons,” the Israeli military statement reads.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of Russia released a radar map that proves IAF warplanes hide behind the Il-20 before it was hit by Syrian air defense fire. The ministry also confirmed that Israel informed it only one minute ahead of the airstrike and provided false info about the location of the target.

Independent observers said that the radar map released by the Russian MoD was plausible, which indicates that Israel lied about the location of its warplanes during the incident.
https://twitter.com/obretix/status/1043879321310572547


Israel’s refusal to recognize its mistake and its insistence on conducting new attacks will likely lead to more tension with Russia. The situation may escalate further if Israel launched new attacks without improving the coordinate mechanisms with Russia.

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Re: Israel Claims Russian Version Of Il-20 Incident Is Fake by Zoharariel(m): 8:28am On Sep 24, 2018
Dear Putin, Shiogu & Konashenkov,

You are sincere but naive. The rulers of Israel do not keep their word because they do not consider you to be their equal.

They do not value the lives of others who are not of their own race.

Why do you allow Israel to bomb Syria while you are fighting to preserve Syria?

Why do you sell S400 systems to Saudi, to Turkey, to India & Qatar but not to Syria, North Korea and Iran?

You allow your enemies to dictate who & where to supply with your military gears?

Are you being stupid or you're just being brain-dead?

Do you need a scrying mirror to see the bastard Israelis in private - dancing & congratulating each other after each deadly military operation?

Should the IDF precipitates the much-talked about larger conflict, NATO will find a purpose for their existence and will be grateful to the Israelis for it.

Trump will enjoy bipartisan support & he will look "presidential" again!

Not to forget, under Bush and Obama, Israel was given a guarantee of military superiority in any military conflict - And like their Amerikan protector, they thrive on seeding chaos.

Why won't they be dancing and singing since they never have to pay for this guarantee?

As long as Israel is allowed to continue running the show in Syria without any consequences, for the sake of an imaginary "partnership" that exists only in heads of Kremlin leaders - your servicemen will keep dying like cockroaches.

We have all just seen Israel’s gratitude of that "partnership" - and the whole world is laughing at you for your stupidity.

One more casualty from the Russian servicemen in Syria and I will endorse hardliners like Rogozin & Zhirinovski to replace your incompetent asses - nonsense!

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Re: Israel Claims Russian Version Of Il-20 Incident Is Fake by scully95: 5:14pm On Sep 24, 2018
Zoharariel:
Dear Putin, Shiogu & Konashenkov,

You are sincere but naive. The rulers of Israel do not keep their word because they do not consider you to be their equal.

They do not value the lives of others who are not of their own race.

Why do you allow Israel to bomb Syria while you are fighting to preserve Syria?

Why do you sell S400 systems to Saudi, to Turkey, to India & Qatar but not to Syria, North Korea and Iran?

You allow your enemies to dictate who & where to supply with your military gears?

Are you being stupid or you're just being brain-dead?

Do you need a scrying mirror to see the bastard Israelis in private - dancing & congratulating each other after each deadly military operation?

Should the IDF precipitates the much-talked about larger conflict, NATO will find a purpose for their existence and will be grateful to the Israelis for it.

Trump will enjoy bipartisan support & he will look "presidential" again!

Not to forget, under Bush and Obama, Israel was given a guarantee of military superiority in any military conflict - And like their Amerikan protector, they thrive on seeding chaos.

Why won't they be dancing and singing since they never have to pay for this guarantee?

As long as Israel is allowed to continue running the show in Syria without any consequences, for the sake of an imaginary "partnership" that exists only in heads of Kremlin leaders - your servicemen will keep dying like cockroaches.

We have all just seen Israel’s gratitude of that "partnership" - and the whole world is laughing at you for your stupidity.

One more casualty from the Russian servicemen in Syria and I will endorse hardliners like Rogozin & Zhirinovski to replace your incompetent asses - nonsense!

I swear down Russia has listened to your plee oh.. S-300 has finally been awarded to Syrian Army not only that oh but Jammers of onboard systems to be included. Wow !


Russia will establish an unofficial no-fly zone over Syria

Today Defense Minster Shoigu announced measures which went far beyond what I had hoped for. Specifically, Shoigu has announced that Russia will

Supply S-300 air defense systems (with a 250km range) to the Syrians in the next two weeks.
Russia will deliver advanced automated air defense management systems which will *dramatically* increase the Syrian air defense capabilities and prevent future “friendly fire” incidents.
Russia will use her electronic warfare capabilities to suppress satellite navigation, onboard radar systems and communications of warplanes attacking targets on Syrian territory in the regions over the waters of the Mediterranean Sea bordering with Syria.
This is a very flexible and elegant solution for the following reasons:

It establishes a de facto air exclusion zone over Syria, but not a de jure one. Thus, the Russians will have the flexibility to decide on a nation by nation and aircraft by aircraft basis which aircraft should be suppressed/engaged and which ones to only track and monitor. This will give Russia a very powerful negotiating position with all the actors of this war.
It goes without saying that while these new capabilities will be deployed in Syria in response to the Israeli actions, they will also dramatically boost the Syrian capabilities against any potential aggressors including the USA and US client states. The S-300s will make it possible for the Syrian to detect and even track the Israeli aircraft right after their take-off and while still in Israeli air space.
While the Russians have not indicated which automated air defense management system they plan to deliver to Syria, it is likely that this is one which is typically used to control the engagement of S-300 and Buk air defense systems, the Poliana D-4. The delivery of this system will dramatically increase the air defense capabilities of the Russian task force in Syria making it much harder for Neocon à la Bolton to target Russian forces.
I have to admit that I am surprised by the magnitude and quality of this response. Clearly, the arrogance of the Israelis did not pay off and this time their usual chutzpah was met with a great deal of Russian anger (albeit carefully controlled anger). For Bibi Netanyahu, the Russian reaction is an absolute disaster because it undermines his entire policy towards Syria (and Lebanon and Iran). The Israeli strikes (over 200, of which they bothered to notify Russia in only about 10% of the cases) did not yield any tangible benefit for Israel, but has now fundamentally undermined Israel’s relationship with Russia. As I have said it many times, for all their self-serving propaganda about being so smart, the Israelis are actually pretty incompetent being blinded, as they are, by their quasi infinite arrogance.

However, please keep in mind that in warfare there is no such thing as a magical silver bullet. For one thing, the Israelis will still have the option of attacking targets in Syria (be it by using aircraft, or missiles, including sea based), but the difficulty of successfully executing such an attack will increase by an order of magnitude. The same also goes for the US/NATO/CENTOM/etc. One option would be to go for a saturation attack by using very large number of missiles since the Syrian and Russian capabilities are still limited by numbers: even in an ideal situation (excluding EW capabilities), that is even if the kill ratio of Russian missiles is 1:1, the Russians will only be able to shoot down as many enemy missiles as their supplies allow. The US+Israeli missiles supplies in the region are far bigger.

Second, both the US and Israelis have very sophisticated EW warfare capabilities and rest assured that they will use them if needed. Yes, the Russians are qualitatively ahead of other countries in this field, but one should never under-estimate the capabilities of the bad guys.

Third, the AngloZionists will now do one of three things: either pretend that they don’t care and basically accept the situation on the ground like they did in South Ossetia and Crimea, or try to negotiate some kind of deal with the Russians, or react with hysterical threats and provocation in the hope that the Russians will blink. While we can hope for option #1, we also have to realize that options #2 and #3 are far more likely. In other words, this is far from over.

Finally, this latest news conclusively debunks the notion that Putin is a doormat or sellout and that the Russians are either unable or unwilling to oppose the AngloZionists. All those who have accused Putin of being Israel’s shabboy goy are going to be busy removing eggs from their collective face. The fact that the Russians took their time to analyze what happened and prepare a response was not a symptom of their weakness, but of their responsible behavior in a most dangerous situation. Furthermore, the Russian response also shows that once national security issues are at stake, the Atlantic Integrationist 5th column still has to yield to the Eurasian Sovereignists. This, by itself, is a very good and reassuring development.

The Saker

Full video of the announcement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da7fgKw5ERk

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Re: Israel Claims Russian Version Of Il-20 Incident Is Fake by MONITZ: 10:16pm On Sep 24, 2018
Zoharariel:
Dear Putin, Shiogu & Konashenkov,

You are sincere but naive. The rulers of Israel do not keep their word because they do not consider you to be their equal.

They do not value the lives of others who are not of their own race.

Why do you allow Israel to bomb Syria while you are fighting to preserve Syria?

Why do you sell S400 systems to Saudi, to Turkey, to India & Qatar but not to Syria, North Korea and Iran?

You allow your enemies to dictate who & where to supply with your military gears?

Are you being stupid or you're just being brain-dead?

Do you need a scrying mirror to see the bastard Israelis in private - dancing & congratulating each other after each deadly military operation?

Should the IDF precipitates the much-talked about larger conflict, NATO will find a purpose for their existence and will be grateful to the Israelis for it.

Trump will enjoy bipartisan support & he will look "presidential" again!

Not to forget, under Bush and Obama, Israel was given a guarantee of military superiority in any military conflict - And like their Amerikan protector, they thrive on seeding chaos.

Why won't they be dancing and singing since they never have to pay for this guarantee?

As long as Israel is allowed to continue running the show in Syria without any consequences, for the sake of an imaginary "partnership" that exists only in heads of Kremlin leaders - your servicemen will keep dying like cockroaches.

We have all just seen Israel’s gratitude of that "partnership" - and the whole world is laughing at you for your stupidity.

One more casualty from the Russian servicemen in Syria and I will endorse hardliners like Rogozin & Zhirinovski to replace your incompetent asses - nonsense!


U couldn't have said it better than u have already done,the thing just taya person sef,which kain yeye partnership is Vladimir Putin even talking about sef?,i know Putin is a lot of things Bt definitely cowardice is not one of them ,is he trying to avoid an all out war situation? ,he should know that for every unanswered strike carried out by Israel and her ilks Russia would continue to push herself into a very dangerous and precipitous position which finally would still result in war abufow should Russia decide to strike back or do tit for tat ,so y not call a spade and back up his words with action?,I know the Russian military is ready to bark Bt Putin has them on a leash ..We are waiting anyhow to see which way the tide of events go and how things pan out this succeeding weeks..

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Re: Israel Claims Russian Version Of Il-20 Incident Is Fake by TheShopKeeper(m): 10:38pm On Sep 24, 2018
...countdown to WW3...
Re: Israel Claims Russian Version Of Il-20 Incident Is Fake by MONITZ: 10:39pm On Sep 24, 2018
scully95:


I swear down Russia has listened to your plee oh.. S-300 has finally been awarded to Syrian Army not only that oh but Jammers of onboard systems to be included. Wow !


Russia will establish an unofficial no-fly zone over Syria

Today Defense Minster Shoigu announced measures which went far beyond what I had hoped for. Specifically, Shoigu has announced that Russia will

Supply S-300 air defense systems (with a 250km range) to the Syrians in the next two weeks.
Russia will deliver advanced automated air defense management systems which will *dramatically* increase the Syrian air defense capabilities and prevent future “friendly fire” incidents.
Russia will use her electronic warfare capabilities to suppress satellite navigation, onboard radar systems and communications of warplanes attacking targets on Syrian territory in the regions over the waters of the Mediterranean Sea bordering with Syria.
This is a very flexible and elegant solution for the following reasons:

It establishes a de facto air exclusion zone over Syria, but not a de jure one. Thus, the Russians will have the flexibility to decide on a nation by nation and aircraft by aircraft basis which aircraft should be suppressed/engaged and which ones to only track and monitor. This will give Russia a very powerful negotiating position with all the actors of this war.
It goes without saying that while these new capabilities will be deployed in Syria in response to the Israeli actions, they will also dramatically boost the Syrian capabilities against any potential aggressors including the USA and US client states. The S-300s will make it possible for the Syrian to detect and even track the Israeli aircraft right after their take-off and while still in Israeli air space.
While the Russians have not indicated which automated air defense management system they plan to deliver to Syria, it is likely that this is one which is typically used to control the engagement of S-300 and Buk air defense systems, the Poliana D-4. The delivery of this system will dramatically increase the air defense capabilities of the Russian task force in Syria making it much harder for Neocon à la Bolton to target Russian forces.
I have to admit that I am surprised by the magnitude and quality of this response. Clearly, the arrogance of the Israelis did not pay off and this time their usual chutzpah was met with a great deal of Russian anger (albeit carefully controlled anger). For Bibi Netanyahu, the Russian reaction is an absolute disaster because it undermines his entire policy towards Syria (and Lebanon and Iran). The Israeli strikes (over 200, of which they bothered to notify Russia in only about 10% of the cases) did not yield any tangible benefit for Israel, but has now fundamentally undermined Israel’s relationship with Russia. As I have said it many times, for all their self-serving propaganda about being so smart, the Israelis are actually pretty incompetent being blinded, as they are, by their quasi infinite arrogance.

However, please keep in mind that in warfare there is no such thing as a magical silver bullet. For one thing, the Israelis will still have the option of attacking targets in Syria (be it by using aircraft, or missiles, including sea based), but the difficulty of successfully executing such an attack will increase by an order of magnitude. The same also goes for the US/NATO/CENTOM/etc. One option would be to go for a saturation attack by using very large number of missiles since the Syrian and Russian capabilities are still limited by numbers: even in an ideal situation (excluding EW capabilities), that is even if the kill ratio of Russian missiles is 1:1, the Russians will only be able to shoot down as many enemy missiles as their supplies allow. The US+Israeli missiles supplies in the region are far bigger.

Second, both the US and Israelis have very sophisticated EW warfare capabilities and rest assured that they will use them if needed. Yes, the Russians are qualitatively ahead of other countries in this field, but one should never under-estimate the capabilities of the bad guys.

Third, the AngloZionists will now do one of three things: either pretend that they don’t care and basically accept the situation on the ground like they did in South Ossetia and Crimea, or try to negotiate some kind of deal with the Russians, or react with hysterical threats and provocation in the hope that the Russians will blink. While we can hope for option #1, we also have to realize that options #2 and #3 are far more likely. In other words, this is far from over.

Finally, this latest news conclusively debunks the notion that Putin is a doormat or sellout and that the Russians are either unable or unwilling to oppose the AngloZionists. All those who have accused Putin of being Israel’s shabboy goy are going to be busy removing eggs from their collective face. The fact that the Russians took their time to analyze what happened and prepare a response was not a symptom of their weakness, but of their responsible behavior in a most dangerous situation. Furthermore, the Russian response also shows that once national security issues are at stake, the Atlantic Integrationist 5th column still has to yield to the Eurasian Sovereignists. This, by itself, is a very good and reassuring development.

The Saker

Full video of the announcement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da7fgKw5ERk



Very good response,and I hope they will be given a blanket permission as well to use it whenever the troops or servicemen especially as regards their military operations in Syria are endangered and under any form of attack by the quartet of IFUKUSA,this will send a strong signal that it won't be business as usual anymore ,cross into Syria's airspace without authorization and get ur ass fried or kicked big time.Vladimir Putin makes sure he gives the enemies enough rope for the enemy to tie himself up and complicate things so that by the time he responds people would say that he is justified in whatever action that he takes,but he is forgetting the fact that this approach only works with rational minds and not irrational ones who don't understand diplomacy except force,so when dealing with these ilks u shout first then ask questions later,this latter patten works real good and it would definitely put those blood thirsty criminals in check,my two cents though...

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