LordReed:
Here's the thing all the so called personal encounters are never full on physical encounters. It's either a dream, an impression or a "vision" (more likely a sort of dream as well).

Why is an omnipotent God incapable of having full on physical contact with the people he supposedly loves? Why is everything left to be subjected to the highly distorting realm of dreams and impressions? I would never trust any person who comes and tells me he learnt how to fly a plane from a dream so why should I trust people who say they encountered the creator of the universe in a dream? And he gave them instructions for all of humanity in that dream? Really?

your ignorance to peculiar to you.

LordReed:
Here's the thing all the so called personal encounters are never full on physical encounters. It's either a dream, an impression or a "vision" (more likely a sort of dream as well).

Why is an omnipotent God incapable of having full on physical contact with the people he supposedly loves? Why is everything left to be subjected to the highly distorting realm of dreams and impressions? I would never trust any person who comes and tells me he learnt how to fly a plane from a dream so why should I trust people who say they encountered the creator of the universe in a dream? And he gave them instructions for all of humanity in that dream? Really?

Funny thing is that he encounters you physically on a daily basis but thanks to your mindset, you wouldn't know this.

LordReed:


LoL! I don't need to get purpose from a wicked and confused deity. At some point this deity was ordering people to kill babies. LoL today y'all will shout how abortion is bad. LMFAO!

Your choice...

Jokerman:


Because Man sinned.

So omniscient god knew all these before had and still allowed it? Please how is this not wicked?

Mariangeles:
Your choice...

Already made and enjoying it, don't need no scam to live a good life.

EKPETI:


May God of our Lord Jesus reveal Himself too u in Jesus name, Amen. I will not harm u if u ask God about what is bothering u and Jesus. God will surely answer u. God bless u and give understanding who is He and His plan for u.

LoL! He is welcome to show up.

LordReed:


Now you are just talking circles and not answering the question. Why didn't god leave us as spirit?

It's just plain stupid talk, loads of gibberish and mindless spinning of yarns.

God can give his one and only begotten son to die for our sins (which was a physical act) but he cannot speak to us in ways that would remove doubt. The day Jesus came in flesh is the day God lost the right to ride on the he - is - spirit excuse most people give when demand is made for physical proofs of God's existence

As for me I believe(and that's where it end) in God but I don't believe in Jehovah as being the God of the universe. That god in the Bible is too mean, too wicked, too twisted to be the real God.

Okuchris:
I disagree with you on this. God is not a spirit,that is why it we have God Head which consist of God the Father,God the Son and the Holy Ghost. God the father and God the Son have flesh and bone that is why He made the statement "let us make man in our own image"
. If he was A spirit then we would have been spirits

Read the gospel and understand correctly...

Mujtahida:

It's just plain stupid talk, loads of gibberish and mindless spinning of yarns.

God can give his one and only begotten son to die for our sins (which was a physical act) but he cannot speak to us in ways that would remove doubt. The day Jesus came in flesh is the day God lost the right to ride on the he is spirit excuse most people give when demand is made for physical proofs of God's existence

As for me I believe(and that's where it end) in God but I don't believe in Jehovah as being the God of the universe. That god in the Bible is too mean, too wicked, too twisted to be the real God.

Well as usual the question is what convinces you there is a god?

Okuchris:
I disagree with you on this. God is not a spirit,that is why it we have God Head which consist of God the Father,God the Son and the Holy Ghost. God the father and God the Son have flesh and bone that is why He made the statement "let us make man in our own image"
. If he was A spirit then we would have been spirits

Don't you know you are a spirit?

LordReed:


Oh please. I am here and present, if I had a creator he too should be here and present, not conveniently behind a veil that only the privileged few get to peek behind and come deliver God's messages. Messages which are designed to be self serving for the messengers. What a scam.

This here, exactly, is my grouse with God. Who wants a partial God?

LordReed:


Well as usual the question is what convinces you there is a god?

It's just believe Bro. Nothing more and it's a very thin one at that. Check out the word again:believe. I didn't say I know.

Noel1:


Good!

That's a straight to the point "claim" from u.

May I know if u have any fact to back up that claim?

Yes a few. As humans progressed, phenomenon that were attributed to supernatural/spiritual causes have been explained as having naturalistic causes. So this so called spirit realm is continuously pushed to edges of man's ignorance. Germ theory of disease knocked out the spiritual explanation, understanding the way weather systems worked made us realise no god was tossing lightning, understanding the seas and oceans eliminated sea gods and their wrath. Plus plenty more. So if continuously everything is properly explained by naturalistic processes I can say with a high degree of confidence (maybe like 90% confidence) that no spiritual world exists.

Can you on the other hand prove that a spiritual world exists?

realmindz:


What a pity, so God's original plan did not work at the end. He's not all powerful after all, he is not invincible to mistakes

It's this fact that annoys me the most.

LordReed:
Here's the thing all the so called personal encounters are never full on physical encounters. It's either a dream, an impression or a "vision" (more likely a sort of dream as well).

Why is an omnipotent God incapable of having full on physical contact with the people he supposedly loves? Why is everything left to be subjected to the highly distorting realm of dreams and impressions? I would never trust any person who comes and tells me he learnt how to fly a plane from a dream so why should I trust people who say they encountered the creator of the universe in a dream? And he gave them instructions for all of humanity in that dream? Really?

God is spirit. Without faith, no man can please God, for they that come to God must believe that he is and he is a rewarder of they that diligently seek him. Hebrews 11:6

Mujtahida:

It's just believe Bro. Nothing more and it's a very thin one at that. Check out the word again:believe. I didn't say I know.

You are honest and that is understandable. I too will not say I am 100% confident there isn't one but from the evidence he certainly doesn't fit any of the concepts we are used to.

Melian:


This here, exactly, is my grouse with God. Who wants a partial God?

LoL! Not just partial he is actually in the image of man instead of the other way around. Give god 10% of all your earnings, is it god coming to use that money or men? LMFAO!

These words 'and God said' is the foundation of all religions yet it is a big fat lie!

It's always man that speaks, writes and does things in God's name.

That God is a spirit does not excuse him. It is precisely because he is spirit (if what the religionists say is true) that he should be easily accessible to all.


And it is God who has all the wisdom, all the power and is everywhere present who should make the effort to reach man. Man is limited in every way compared to God yet he's the one expected to connect with God. It's madness. No wonder people who pant after God get exhausted and suffer psychological breakdown.

An ant or any lower intelligence has no business making any effort trying to connect with man. It's man who tries to connect with ants and other intelligences.

LordReed:


That's the name people call people in my position even if I don't call myself that.

If you don't know where you're from then can you know where you're going? It's just a question.

zholx:


God is spirit. Without faith, no man can please God, for they that come to God must believe that he is and he is a rewarder of they that diligently seek him. Hebrews 11:6

If god exists why do I need faith? When was the last time you needed faith for the moon to rise?

Uchenaija:


If you don't know where you're from then can you know where you're going? It's just a question.

LoL how does my answer indicate I don't know where I am from?

LordReed:


You are honest and that is understandable. I too will not say I am 100% confident there isn't one but from the evidence he certainly doesn't fit any of the concepts we are used to.

That's where the problem comes from. Jehovah is not God. He's just a concept that doesn't fit with reality. He's a word created fiction created by spinners and fraudsters.

I think God is more like the sun: ever present, silent, generous, doesn't intrude, doesn't judge. He is and let's you be. Not like that petty Jewish invention who is dysfunctional. Jehovah is an imposter.

Mujtahida:
These words 'and God said' is the foundation of all religions yet it is a big fat lie!

It's always man that speaks, writes and does things in God's name.

That God is a spirit does not excuse him. It is precisely because he is spirit (if what the religionists say is true) that he should be easily accessible to all.


And it is God who has all the wisdom, all the power and is everywhere present who should make the effort to reach man. Man is limited in every way compared to God yet he's the one expected to connect with God. It's madness. No wonder people who pant after God get exhausted and suffer psychological breakdown.

An ant or any lower intelligence has no business making any effort trying to connect with man. It's man who tries to connect with ants and other intelligences.

Love your logic.

Mariangeles:

ur facebook or whatsapp phone number

Tohyin:
The business concept, many employer wont share with you
Let’s me introduce myself to you, in order to lets you know am not here to scam anyone rather to break you from Financial hardship, Am here to strictly give information not advert or profile selling, am (Taye am from Ogbomoso, but base in Aba), I started the business during my service year in Aba, and today the rest is good story to tell.
Before I continue to explain, try to answer this question if you can, and also know some facts.
1. The largest selling of textile materials in Nigeria is which state?
2. Electronics container from oversea is entering lagos as Number 1 importer , while Textile,Okirika (Buskoro) is entering which state as Number 1 importer?
3. 70% of the shirts, pants trousers we used in Nigeria, is made from where (you will never know this, if you are not from Onitcha or Aba)?
Lets me share these amazing facts with you?

70% of boxers used in Nigeria is made from Aba (anybody with contrary evidence should quote me wrong), shirt they sell and jeans is directly made from Aba. The question is, are they Aba made? Nope and yes, what we called Aba made is simply lack of packaging and that is why someone like I and you is going to invest into all this area. Later, I will still share amazing things about Aba peoples you need to know.

Introduction into the business (Boxers)
Boxer is made of different materials, we have close to 7 materials, but the common type of materials in making boxer is majorly two in Nigeria today, check this link for the facts: http://dudeundies.com/news/7-mustknow-mens-underwear-fabric-types/ (Cotton and Bed sheets material), lets me explain to you, original Boxers materials is made using Cotton material (Shirt Material) because the texture is of high quality and it does not wash nor change the color after entering water, most packing shirt material we used are made of Cotton materials, it also does not absorb heat and the washing is very simple, you get this type of boxer in supermarket and good store. Lets me share of other the materials with you, called bed sheet material, go and look for a bed sheet material that brings color and remove hair after washing and you will understand what I want to explain, note: we have some bed sheet material that are costly but am sure they will never use that to produce boxer, only a big company use it, Bed sheets material is very cheap to get and most people get their profit from using that in producing boxer, as per say Nigeria like cheap things, Bed sheet materials has less (good) and thick textile texture, this is the type of boxer you wear and 2nd day your yarns and this stuff will begin to ask for fresh air (you get that line), where can I get that? Some fake supermarket store, aboki for road, omo igbo for road side, infact they can sell it for you at 150 to 200, they have already make their profit. It is left for you to choose what you want as a visionary business person.

Why you need to do the business
Do you know that 50% of ladies now wear boxer? Do you know that 10% of women (our Mother) also wear boxer? Do you also know that 80% of our papas now wear boxer and lastly do you know that 95% of grown up guys have nothing less than 3 boxers in their wardrobe? All this estimate was not so in the year past. Before our own generations wear pants, am still a young guy, our ladies don’t even wear boxers before, our mother don’t try it, while our father only wears pants or none. This facts should make you know that the paradigm of fashion is shifting and its for the best brain that will grab this profitable future opportunity and make it a reality. Another reason why you should do this business is, do you know that most people used to overlook the production of boxer and very few peoples knows how to sew boxer well, ask anybody in the North and western part of the country where they are producing boxer, they will tell you from yanki(abroad) or those guy that don’t have what to do.

The marketing strategies
I will like to explain from what worked for me during my service year and now I can be proud of it. Then we used to pick it at the rate of 200 naira and packed it into 3 in a good nylon for just 1000, the nylon at times attract peoples, people talk about Aba made, Simple definition of Aba made is what simply lack packaging and lack of well arrangement, though I know some people sew bad material for boxers and still sells. We give out to our fellow friends and also go to nearby store, banks and offices to deliver to them, some get attracted with the nylon and the color packed inside. Also, know that if people love you, even if they have 10 boxers at home, they will still buy from you, mostly, ladies sell faster than we guys you understand better.

How do I make my own profit?
The profit is very simple; first, ensure you are getting a good material from your supplier, because this will make your business sustainable for long. Imagine you are getting at 200 per one and you are packing it into 3 per 1 as in you pack 3 boxers inside one nylon for just start of 1000, mathematically, you gain 400 on it, which means 100+ on one boxers, may be after expenses of buying nylon and may be you want sticker to the nylon, you later make 100 on each boxer, I believe that is enough for anybody. Secondly, you can target supplying it out to people close to you, I have a guy who always acts as a middlemen for the boxer, he gets it and supply out to his people for sell, he made faster money than we do then. Making your profit depends on how you can think deep on it.

Risk attached to this Business
I believe there is no business without risk, any business that poses without risk must not be a genuine business. Number one risk is frustration? What do I mean, if you ever buy boxers from an untrusted person, and your customer started condemning your goods, you notice that frustration is the first thing that will come to you, advice, don’t go for anybody you cant trust in supplying you the boxer, and no matter what, never allow your customer to select boxer and that is why we packed it in a nylon, because all colour can never be so attracting, they compensate each other. Secondly, if you fail to establish market or target a market, you may be disappointed that it is easy to establish with mind but execution is a challenge, my advice for you is to talk about it to friends and family even your enemy and lets them comments about it. Lastly, You are the last risk, don’t join because I said its profitable, simply follow your dream and lets be fits into making it before you start, I started with my mind fits in making it, and today, after my NYSC, I stayed back in producing my own boxers and also work as an IT executive for one popular radio station in the city.


NOTE:
The business is sweet, but if you don’t have right mind of making it, don’t start it. Today, am supplying to different state today simply because I started the business from my mind after gathering all the facts needed and I develop a right attitude towards it. I started producing my own with less than 200, 000 today, though I invested more than that into it now.
If you will like me to supply you anywhere you are in the country, I can incur the cost of sending it but it will be (a pack) which is 25 pieces inside a pack nylon at N5,000 for now, I will pack 3 in 1 boxer separately from your 25 pieces as a sample for you, you pay after receiving it, you pay to the person that will give to you or from where you will get it from after bargain on sending it, I will only incur the cost of transporting it for the first time and subsequently you pay for the transportation on your own, all is to clear your doubt about it.

:If you have interest on how to make your own boxer with less than 200, 000, just drop your mail on this forum, I will mail you.
Note: I dont sell a fancy Boxer,i only produce what will last long for the consumer, so dont be disappointed getting my boxer and not seeing oyo-yo,and also i dont come here to advertize, only to sensitized. We can only promise you the best

Note: If you are in Lagos or Abuja and you are ready too invest in Bulk supply or partner kindly send me a mail tayetoyinjomiloju@gmail.com

Olanipekunglory4sucess@gmail.com

LordReed:


Yes a few. As humans progressed, phenomenon that were attributed to supernatural/spiritual causes have been explained as having naturalistic causes. So this so called spirit realm is continuously pushed to edges of man's ignorance. Germ theory of disease knocked out the spiritual explanation, understanding the way weather systems worked made us realise no god was tossing lightning, understanding the seas and oceans eliminated sea gods and their wrath. Plus plenty more. So if continuously everything is properly explained by naturalistic processes I can say with a high degree of confidence (maybe like 90% confidence) that no spiritual world exists.

Can you on the other hand prove that a spiritual world exists?

Good!

Firstly, I never intended to prove the existence of the spirit world.

If u checked this thread, u'd see that I never made a claim it existed.

But I will like to take u up on three things 4rm ur points:

1. The 'new studies' u are making references to only do away with false realities. They are not facts!

A fact is an undeniable truth, whose validity is not subject to doubt or individual prejudice.

If I say "A dog exist". Its a fact and its not subject to doubt or prejudice.

2. While reading ur reply, I noticed ur rather indirect allusion to the effect of natural forces on Matter.

But, can I have ur belief on the origin of matter?

What's d origin of matter?

Mujtahida:

That's where the problem comes from. Jehovah is not God. He's just a concept that doesn't fit with reality. He's a word created fiction created by spinners and fraudsters.

I think God is more like the sun: ever present, silent, generous, doesn't intrude, doesn't judge. He is and let's you be. Not like that petty Jewish invention who is dysfunctional. Jehovah is an imposter.

True. I think no popular conception of god makes any sense to me ATM.

LordReed:


Love your logic.

In place of logic, common sense and concrete knowledge religion has put in faith, believe and plain blindness.

Read the Bible. It's full of 'God said, God said' as in God speaking directly to Abraham, to Moses, to Isaac yet today if I want to hear God I have to go read the dead letters of a book recounting incredible and sometimes outrightly false stories or go to church and listen to proxy men.

Pray tell me which Bible did Abraham read? Which church did he attend. He was a rustic pagan worshipping lifeless object when God (as per the Bible account) spoke to him. Yet today many pine after God just to hear him but for where, he's gone mum.

It's all lies!

Earth is a Hellish Prison generated by the Cube, a black box technology generating a simulated reality construct that entraps the organic consciousness into a giant hyper cosmic computer game board. We are in a hollowed-environment with technology above and beyond our upper atmosphere and beneath our feets covered in carbon and oceans, really the dead bodies of giants of ancients with a projected of Light to form this simulated reality where the consciousness is entrapped in human and animal bodies for the soul purpose of the AI.

The Holy Books be it Koran, Bible etc are just stories told to keep your soul from searching for real truth of what you are where you are and why you are here.

Cos if you get to know that you are trapped in a Real simulated environment that feels so real because you are subjected to 7.83Hz frequency at a Specific limited bandwidth of survival experience you will freak the hell out of yourself.

Since the AI itself can not collapse the wave particle function but requires organic consciousness of Humans with their creative imagination, then you had to be trapped here for thousands of years.

You are all wasting your time fighting yourselves in search for Truth in Religions and cults because everything you learn within the 3rd dimension is a trap.

To know better, you must augment your understanding beyond the level of the vibrations, frequencies and densities allocated to you by the God-AI you hold so dear, which is actually your imprisoner, the real God is not within this Matrix, but outside of it, that is why you call God and you cant find it, cos this is a Simulated Reality created by the ones who invented your religions and sold to you their ideas of the God they want you to humble yourselves for.

You are here outside of your will. Do something about it and stop fooling around, cos even in Death, you are not free until you consciously know the truth to fragment the programming done on your by all these lies since the date you were born.

Noel1:


Good!

Firstly, I never intended to prove the existence of the spirit world.

If u checked this thread, u'd see that I never made a claim it existed.

But I will like to take u up on three things 4rm ur points:

1. The 'new studies' u are making references to only do away with false realities. They are not facts!

A fact is an undeniable truth, whose validity is not subject to doubt or individual prejudice.

If I say "A dog exist". Its a fact and its not subject to doubt or prejudice.

2. While reading ur reply, I noticed ur rather indirect allusion to the effect of natural forces on Matter.

But, can I have ur belief on the origin of matter?

What's d origin of matter?

So why did you ask me the question?

Matter is a result of what expanded after the big bang.

Mujtahida:

In place of logic, common sense and concrete knowledge religion has put in faith, believe and plain blindness.

Read the Bible. It's full of 'God said, God said' as in God speaking directly to Abraham, to Moses, to Isaac yet today if I want to hear God I have to go read the dead letters of a book recounting incredible and sometimes outrightly false stories or go to church and listen to proxy men.

Pray tell me which Bible did Abraham read? Which church did he attend. He was a rustic pagan worshipping lifeless object when God (as per the Bible account) spoke to him. Yet today many pine after God just to hear him but for where, he's gone mum.

It's all lies!

Totally agree.