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Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by keeeem: 12:09pm On Oct 07, 2018
Is it not the same Peter Obi his people call Adaobi? Bros when did you start following politics? Was it not when he went to platform some 2 years ago to sweet talk them that some people from the SW began to reckon with him? Bros you don't know as much as Peter Obi as I know. You might like him. Yes. That is a right of choice you have got but to compare him with that Erudite Professor is an insult to intellectualism

agabaI23:
You probably do not know Peter.

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Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by bigmo1(m): 12:17pm On Oct 07, 2018
gentlegenius:

You are still saying "if" when Atiku has actually won.
By the way, must OBJ support somebody? Is he not old enough to stay away from politics?
just wondering the kind of dilemma posterity has thrown baba into.
Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by livelymatilda22: 12:17pm On Oct 07, 2018
Atiku= 1,532

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Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by frixie: 12:20pm On Oct 07, 2018
PDP, total votes more than total number of delegates.

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Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by ChristoBam: 12:24pm On Oct 07, 2018
Mrmos:
I am Yoruba but I will gladly support Peter OBI as vice of Atiku. Peter Obi I think is one person that can match the intelligence, smartness of Osibanjo. He has done well to deserve it.
PETER OBI FOR VICE PRESIDENT.
Nigeria is presently too tribalistic for Yorubas to support a combination of Atiku/Peter Obi. If I were Atiku I'd pick a Youba man to be my vice president. Eastern Nigerians as It is hate buhari with passion so they'd vote for anyone other than buhari regardless of who the vice president is. Yorubas will pick a combo of Buhari/Osinbajo over Atiku/peter Obi any day and anytime.

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Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by stanisbaratheon: 12:29pm On Oct 07, 2018
ChristoBam:

Nigeria is presently too tribalistic for Yorubas to support a combination of Atiku/Peter Obi. If I were Atiku I'd pick a Youba man to be my vice president. Eastern Nigerians as It is hate buhari with passion so they'd vote for anyone other than buhari regardless of who the vice president is. Yorubas will pick a combo of Buhari/Osinbajo over Atiku/peter Obi any day and anytime.

PDP picks and not Atiku.

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Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by agabaI23(m): 12:33pm On Oct 07, 2018
keeeem:
Is it not the same Peter Obi his people call Adaobi? Bros when did you start following politics? Was it not when he went to platform some 2 years ago to sweet talk them that some people from the SW began to reckon with him? Bros you don't know as much as Peter Obi as I know. You might like him. Yes. That is a right of choice you have got but to compare him with that Erudite Professor is an insult to intellectualism

I live in Anambra. I live in Awka. How much of him do you know?
What are you comparing?
Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by mechanics(m): 1:21pm On Oct 07, 2018
Mandynews:
Although the election is four months ahead, Melaye is already confident that his party would form government at the center in 2019
hahahaha, nothing for him.
Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by clefstone(m): 1:36pm On Oct 07, 2018
fratermathy:


Okpes themselves decided to be Urhobos, hence the statement that Urhobo is a nation, not an ethnicity. We all know that Okpes do not traditionally speak Urhobo and Urhobos do not understand Okpe. When Urhobo Progress Union was formed, Okpe, Uvwie and Isoko leaders were invited to join the group. Okpe and Uvwie joined in, Isoko did not buy it.

If our definition of ethnicity goes beyond language and includes other criteria such as religion, culture, ontology, etc, then Urhobo, Isoko, Okpe, Erhowa and Uvwie are of the same ethnicity, regardless of whatever names we go by. However, we live in a society -as my initial statement indicated- where we are polarised by language and politics and as such, Isoko and Erhowa align themselves as one ethnic nation, whereas Okpe, Urhobo and Uvwie align as one. The Urhobo Council of Traditional Rulers have Okpe and Uvwie monarchs. UPU is well peopled by Okpe and Uvwie representatives, even as far as the Presidency in times past.

Regardless of the above, there are elements within Okpe who do not fancy the Okpe-Urhobo-Uvwie grouping and they are free to. Not all Igbo or Yoruba cultural units/groups want to be under the general tag too.

The above scenario is in no way similar to the Ikwerre-Igbo debacle. Ikwerres have never associated with Igbos, even for expediency. They don't speak Igbo and they don't share common ontology and mythology.


So, I repeat myself again, ethnicity is a complex of language, politics, culture, religion, onomastics, mythology, etc etc. But until someone or a group categorically states who they are, it is better not to assume regardless of what they appear to be.
The Isokos were not referred to as Sobo in d past but Eggaboh. Til this day, my Aboh brethren call them Eggaboh and Urhobos they call Sobos. I have hardly ever heard my mum and her people call themselves Urhobo, but Uvwie and their greetimg is same as the Okpes i.e 'degwo'as opposed to 'migwo'. And another fact is that the Uvwies seem to bear a lot of Itsekiri names like Majemite, Tsekiri, Emeye e.t.c.
Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by fratermathy(m): 1:48pm On Oct 07, 2018
clefstone:
The Isokos were not referred to as Sobo in d past but Eggaboh. Til this day, my Aboh brethren call them Eggaboh and Urhobos they call Sobos. I have hardly ever heard my mum and her people call themselves Urhobo, but Uvwie and their greetimg is same as the Okpes i.e 'degwo'as opposed to 'migwo'. And another fact is that the Uvwies seem to bear a lot of Itsekiri names like Majemite, Tsekiri, Emeye e.t.c.

Isokos were called Sobo, together with the Urhobos, at least towards the end of the colonial period. "Igabo" (not "Eggaboh"-) was used for a much earlier time in their history and it never stuck. You only find Igabo in very few historical documents. Sobo is used in the majority of documents and tags for the Isokos and Urhobos.

Uvwies do not quarrel with Urhobo identity and that is a fact you cannot contest. We even have Uvwie Urhobos on this forum so I'd be careful on this point if I were you. Say Okpe and I'll agree with you (not even all parts of Okpe - mainly those from the Mereje dukedom).

Uvwie people have been in contact with Ijaws and Itsekiris from time immemorial and, like other Urhobos, bear Ijaw and Itsekiri names as do some Itsekiris and Ijaws bear Urhobo names. I've seen Ukwuani people answering Urhobo/Isoko names and vice versa. The current PA on Media to Okowa, Ossai Ovie, is from Ndokwa and he bears Ovie as a first name. He's even on this forum. Even in Avwraka, far away from Itsekiri land, people answer Majemite and other Itsekiri sounding names, just as Itsekiris answer Ovie, Akpode, etc, so what is your point here?
Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by Deepfreezer(m): 2:02pm On Oct 07, 2018
Deltayankeeboi:
na the man wey know im work be that no be like the lifeless mumu from Daura.

Governor wey sabi.

POWER TO D PEOPLE!!!

GOD BLESS PDP!!!
Yes oooo, God bless PDP
Power to the people
Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by fineyemi(m): 2:04pm On Oct 07, 2018
easy win for buhari in 2019.
Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by clefstone(m): 2:21pm On Oct 07, 2018
fratermathy:


Isokos were called Sobo, together with the Urhobos, at least towards the end of the colonial period. "Igabo" (not "Eggaboh"-) was used for a much earlier time in their history and it never stuck. You only find Igabo in very few historical documents. Sobo is used in the majority of documents and tags for the Isokos and Urhobos.

Uvwies do not quarrel with Urhobo identity and that is a fact you cannot contest. We even have Uvwie Urhobos on this forum so I'd be careful on this point if I were you. Say Okpe and I'll agree with you (not even all parts of Okpe - mainly those from the Mereje dukedom).

Uvwie people have been in contact with Ijaws and Itsekiris from time immemorial, and like other Urhobos, bear Ijaw and Itsekiri names as do some Itsekiris and Ijaws bear Urhobo names. I've seen Ukwuani people answering Urhobo/Isoko names and vice verse. The current PA on Media to Okowa, Ossai Ovie, is from Ndokwa and he bears Ovie as a first name. He's even on this forum. Even in Avwraka, far away from Itsekiri land, people answer Majemite and other Itsekiri sounding names, just as Itsekiris answer Ovie, Akpode, etc, so what is your point here?
I'm telling u that my people call Isokos Egabboh to this day you are arguing with me. The Whitemen that came to the Niger Delta in the 1800s referred to the Isokos exclusively as Eggaboh.

The Uvwies of my mom's generation bear names that are totally different from Urhobo names. Nothing like Ese, Efe, Oghene etc in their names. All my mom's relatives from Father to uncles, to Aunts to siblings and cousins have non-Urhobo sounding names. And my mom has told me that her father told them that they r actually from Okpe. personally, i believe the Uvwies migrated from Okpe Kingdom. DYK that the current Ovie of Uvwie(omogu) is only like the 2nd or 3rd Ovie?
Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by fratermathy(m): 4:35pm On Oct 07, 2018
clefstone:
I'm telling u that my people call Isokos Egabboh to this day you are arguing with me. The Whitemen that came to the Niger Delta in the 1800s referred to the Isokos exclusively as Eggaboh.

The Uvwies of my mom's generation bear names that are totally different from Urhobo names. Nothing like Ese, Efe, Oghene etc in their names. All my mom's relatives from Father to uncles, to Aunts to siblings and cousins have non-Urhobo sounding names. And my mom has told me that her father told them that they r actually from Okpe. personally, i believe the Uvwies migrated from Okpe Kingdom. DYK that the current Ovie of Uvwie(omogu) is only like the 2nd or 3rd Ovie?

Uvwie people migrated from Erhowa in Isoko via Effurun-Otor in Urhobo. Okpe migrated from Ile Ife via Benin and berthed at Olomu, in Urhobo, from where they migrated to their current abode. You should do some healthy reading because you appear quite ignorant.

That Aboh may be calling Isokos "Eggaboh" has no bearing with Isoko's appellation as Sobo by the colonial masters and as "Igabo" by some missionaries. All historical proofs show that Isokos were tagged as Sobos, together with Urhobos. Even Isokos themselves know this. In fact, Isoko used to be known as Eastern Urhobo from around 1940 to 1963. Okpe and Uvwie were part of Western Urhobo around the same time.
Cc: Onosprince

Many Uvwie people answer the names you mentioned. You seem to know so little of Uvwie people. You probably haven't been to Uvwieland before and thus, your misinformation. Don't always rely on anecdotes when you can easily verify facts online these days. I can't even count the number of "Oghene" prefixed names in Okpe and Uvwie. All of the South Western Edoid groups share a cluster of names, with little to no variations.
@Efewestern can do justice to this.

If you fail to exhibit some measure of objective research on your part, I'll desist from replying you any further. I enjoy interactions with those who are armed with facts, not sentiments. If you want to learn, then do so. If you want me to learn, then argue with verifiable facts.

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Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by Efewestern: 5:06pm On Oct 07, 2018
clefstone:
I'm telling u that my people call Isokos Egabboh to this day you are arguing with me. The Whitemen that came to the Niger Delta in the 1800s referred to the Isokos exclusively as Eggaboh.

The Uvwies of my mom's generation bear names that are totally different from Urhobo names. Nothing like Ese, Efe, Oghene etc in their names. All my mom's relatives from Father to uncles, to Aunts to siblings and cousins have non-Urhobo sounding names. And my mom has told me that her father told them that they r actually from Okpe. personally, i believe the Uvwies migrated from Okpe Kingdom. DYK that the current Ovie of Uvwie(omogu) is only like the 2nd or 3rd Ovie?

That your people call Isoko Egabboh has no bearing with the reality on ground, the isokos for long were referred to as "Sobo" alongside their Urhobo cousin, even our colonial master tried unifying both ethnic group using the word "Sobo".

Secondly Uvwie names are 80% urhobo, in fact uvwie answer general Urhobo names just like every other Urhobo clans, if you feel your mother's family names are not related to Urhobo then I expect you to tell us the names let's see if they are Urhobo or not, even isoko bear general Urhobo names,is it now Uvwie?

Thirdly Uvwie has never in any way denied their Urhoboness, infact the first time they interviewed the ovie of Uvwie, the first thing he said was " My people are Urhobo".

I can see you know little or nothing about the Uvwie people.

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Re: Sorting Of Votes Begins At PDP Convention (Live Updates) by Efewestern: 5:25pm On Oct 07, 2018
fratermathy:


Uvwie people migrated from Erhowa in Isoko via Effurun-Otor in Urhobo. Okpe migrated from Ile Ife, via Benin and berthed at Olomu, in Urhobo, from where they migrated to their current abode. You should do some healthy reading because you appear quite ignorant.

That Aboh call Isokos "Eggaboh" has no bearing with Isoko's appellation as Sobo by the colonial masters and as "Igabo" by some missionaries. All historical proofs show that Isokos were tagged as Sobos, together with Urhobos. Even Isokos themselves know this. In fact, Isoko used to be known as Eastern Urhobo from around 1940 to 1963. Okpe and Uvwie were part of Western Urhobo around the same time.

Many Uvwie people answer the names you mentioned. You seem to know so little of Uvwie people. You probably haven't been to Uvwie land before and thus, your misinformation. I can't even count the number of "Oghene" prefixed named in Okpe and Uvwie. @Efewestern, do justice to this.

If you fail to exhibit some measure of objective research on your part, I'll desist from replying you any further. I enjoy interactions with those who are armed with facts, not sentiments.

The man is just another ignorant fellow that believes he knows it all, he even said Uvwie answers alot of itsekiri names,like who doesn't know that Urhobo bears some pure itsekiri names while some itsekiri's bears some pure Urhobo names?.

Instead of him to counter most of the valid points you raised earlier, he decided to argue blindly.

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