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How North Fooled Jonathan. by Gbawe: 9:58am On Jul 18, 2010 |
http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2010/july/18/national-18-07-2010-001.htm "Sunday Sun learnt that former President Olusegun, in spite of his tacit support for Jonathan, might dump him once it becomes clear the project may not fly". “The Obasanjo we know is an intelligent man. You remember in 2007 many people thought Dr Peter Odili was the anointed candidate, to the extent that even the party’s national chairman then was the one asking people to join the Odili campaign. And because of Obasanjo’s closeness to the party chairman then, many thought Odili was the man. But what happened in the end? Was he not dumped at the last minute? I bet you, the same fate awaits our President except the real elders from the North decide otherwise,” How North fooled Jonathan |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by jamace(m): 10:18am On Jul 18, 2010 |
Where is the fooling here? Sunnewspaper by this singular publication has confirmed itself a campaign machinery for some disguised persons and it is obvious who the persons are . For the mere fact that IBB, Atiku and co were absent from the forum does not make the forum a farce except you are telling us that without IBB and Atiku, there is no North. Time has come for some people who think that Nigeria is their personal property to think twice. Nigeria has advanced and the people know what they want and will go for it. |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by Beaf: 12:26pm On Jul 18, 2010 |
The Nigerian press is sinking to lower lows. What a useless article! The title is totally missleading and has nothing to do with the content. I always avoid sunnnewsonline, ; Iboris paper, daily indepent etc. They can wreck the thinking brain. |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by Gbawe: 12:39pm On Jul 18, 2010 |
@Jamace. Don't be quick to dismiss what the article is saying . Did some Northerners , back in 2006 , also not declare support fo Odili as proof that the region had "endorsed" Odili? Did subsequent events not then prove that those Northerners were "fooling" Odili with how Yar Adua's emergence showed that they did not represent the North same as how this congregation , as the article indicates, might be a desperate Presidency-sponsored Jamboree of Lightweights , who do not speak for the real powerbrokers in the region, all in the attempt to make Nigeria think that Jonathan enjoys the backing of the North? Indeed Nigeria has advanced but not to the extent that we can now dismiss the influence of money, self-interest and kingmaking in our Politics . Jonathan will need the heavyweight behind him if he is to win because left to Nigerians , and unless he performs out of his skin before the elections, he will not win against a Northern candidate who has a tangible records of leadership achievement . If Jonathan has a shred of integrity and he is not extremely desperate and lacking in political savvy , why has he allowed a man who worked against him openly (Aondoakaa) to be part of this group? Is Aondoakaa's inclusion not indicative of how this might be a group of desperados , and not of principled men , seeking political relevance ? I think the article makes a lot of sense with how it identifies this congregation as full of those not powerful enough to deliver Nigerian States and voting blocs for Jonathan. All the Northerners need to do to win this election is to stop talking about zoning , pretend as if some of their fairly well-known leaders support Jonathan and then , subsequently, field a very good Northern candidate. When this candidate emerges Northern support can then totally be transfered to this person. The North then stands a chance of winning while pretending that it did so through rejecting zoning since many Northerners "endorsed" Jonathan. The North will know that Jonathan does not have the runaway popularity of a leader like Fashola that cuts accross all region. They might have adopted a strategy of lulling Jonathan , and his camp , into a false sense of security as was done very effectively to Odili. Those who know Nigerian politics will judge the "Northern endorsement" of Jonathan by the sagacious and influential Northern voices that remain silent and non-commital. To win the Presidency in Nigeria today a candidate must be politically sagacious (OBJ) an undoubted performer (Fashola) or one with the backing of the relevant kingmakers (Yar Adua) . Jonathan is not politically sagacious and he has not shown himself to be a performer yet so it makes no sense that he gained the support of the relevant kingmakers this early. He may just have the support of the mercenaries (Aondoakaa) and pawns of Nigerian politics. |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by Gbawe: 1:03pm On Jul 18, 2010 |
@Jamace. Another thing I forgot. To all those saying zoning is dead and Nigeria has advanced , let us wait and see what the political Parties themselves will do. If zoning is truly dead then the actions of political parties will be the best evidence of this. If all political Parties genuinely believe they stand a chance of winning by fielding achievers from all over Nigeria we should see this reflected in their choice of Presidential candidates. I will then urge Nigerians and all Nairalanders to see the actual combinations the main parties will go for . If we start seeing Northern Presidential candidates with VP from other regions then this is proof , once again , that Nigerians have been decieved by the duplicity and double speak of politicians who enjoy saying one thing while they mean another. Jonathan himself may be falling victim of this deciet as Odili did . Let us wait and see. |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by ikeyman00(m): 1:12pm On Jul 18, 2010 |
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Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by Nobody: 2:21pm On Jul 18, 2010 |
Gbawe Those Northerners were not fooling Odili. The polical process like anything involving humans is a dynamic process. Everyone thought Odili was the Crown Prince including the Northerners supporting him. But something changed along the lines in OBJ's head. It was not down to the heroics of any region, it was all down to OBJ. And the fact that Odili suffered a certain faith does not mean that Jonathan will suffer the same faith expecially when Jonathan is in-charge of his own destiny. The Northern part of Nigeria is not filled with political magicians, they are simply good at exploiting the myth stuck in our heads. We all believe that they in the North must show the direction the country must head to and they simply usually exploit such atmosphere of indicision, weakness and lack of unity in the South. If Jonathan captures his moment, leads from the front, sets out a clear agenda for the Nation which most Nigerians can identify with. He will simply remain President after 2011. But if he continues in his timid nature, pretending that he is not interested in running Nigeria beyond 2011 when we all know that he is or keep going about seeking permission from any region before making the decision to run or not to run. Somebody somewhere will spot that weakness and doubts and exploit it. Then Jonathan will come short and the rest of us will start telling legendary tales of some imaginary superior political power of folks up Nroth |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by Gbawe: 3:19pm On Jul 18, 2010 |
mikeansy: We are saying , more or less , the same thing. If Jonathan does not begin to lead bravely and effectively he will not retain his position. Nigerian politics is full of sycophants who only serve themselves. The Governors forum virtually arm-twisted Jonathan over the disbursement of , more or less , a bribe of 20 billion before they backed him to become substantive President. The article hints that this group was put together by the Presidency and I tend to believe that otherwise why is Aondoakaa now a fervent supporters of jonathan if he has not being promised something (like immunity from prosecution) for pitching his support in favour of a man he opposed so vehemently only a few months ago? US has sanctioned Aondoakaa . That is more confirmation that he is damaged and tainted political goods one cannot consider an asset to a Presidential candidate who can win on his own sagacity and merit . If Jonathan is utilising , instead of prosecuting, a man the world considers to be the embodiment of all that is disgraceful about Nigeria , can we not conclude that Jonathan is not attempting to capture the 2011 Presidency through merit, good performance and a well articulated development agenda? Why is Alameiyeseigha back in the PDP and recieving national awards if jonathan is not , out of sheer desperation, trying to shore up his support base because he still lack the backing all the most relevant kingmakers despite all the noise in his support? Jonathan is susceptible to being "fooled by the North" as his desperate actions are showing . It was Odili's desperation to become President that prevented him from seeing that he was being set-up by a political system that did not believe it was his time !!! Those who really matter in the North will have seen the weaknesses and desperation of Jonathan through his irrational actions. That is why they are quiet currently .I expect more from them in future . If sagacious OBJ could not get a third term Jonathan , minus top-notch performance, will not gain a position many kingmakers and politicians , depsite what they say in public, feel he is usurping. Go and check the various articles from Nigerian newsources that are indicating how all the Political Jobbers and turncoats from the North will 'chop Jonathans dollar" only to declare for a consensus Northern candidate when the time is right. Anyway , like I said before, we should all watch how the political parties behave. The candidates the main parties present will show wether jonathan is battling the ideology , popular amongst the politicians themselves, that a Northerner should be President in 2011. As I said before, me and you may mean it when we say we want zoning ended but the politicians and kingmakers are another matter. They will have a major say also in who becomes President in 2011 because we have not 'tidied the house' enough to expect free and fair elections next year . |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by Charlesook(m): 5:03pm On Jul 18, 2010 |
jamace: Man I wonder ooo, you can imagine how hopeless a publication company that has no shame can be. Sunnewspaper remain the most useless Newspaper publication in Nigeria. Anyway, I am not supprice because the owner is more useless than the company itself. From all that they have mentioned, tell me where the fooling is. It will never work for Orji Uzor and his witch mother to bring our great nation down as they have succeeded in bringing Abia state down. All the Kidnapping in Abia, if well investigated, Orji Uzor Kalu is brain behind it all. |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by sjeezy8: 5:22pm On Jul 18, 2010 |
I dont care If Jonathan is the president or if Nigeria splits into 10. Id rather not been a country where everyone walks on egg shells because they dont want to offend another region. Infact anpp ac should merge and vote pdp out- so every region can go back to their regional parties focused on thier regional government. |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by PapaBrowne(m): 5:37pm On Jul 18, 2010 |
@Gbawe You are speaking sooo 90's. The times have changed dramatically. The north is no more what it used to be. Three major factors which have changed the political landscape in Nigeria are: 1)Jos Crises The Jos Crises has angered most of the minority northerners. I bet you, a minority northerner is more loathsome of a core northerner than a southerner is. This factor has split the north into two distinct zones. If you look at the composition of the attendants of the summit, you'd find that majority of them are from minority states. Mind you, minority states contitute about 40% of the north. 2) Southern Money Previously, especially during the military era, Northerners(politicians) wielded all the financial power. They had access to all the instrumenst of power and used it to oil their political machinery. Southerners(politicians) were bought at ease. Today, the tide has changed. The southern politicians, especially Niger Deltans are far wealtheir than their northern counterparts. 3)Niger Delta Militants. The Niger Delta militants are a counterforce to the military which was dominated by the north. Their strenght is not in their ability to fight the military, but the capacity to cripple the nation economy in the shortest possible time. Now, given these three factors, you should understand that the core north is not as politically relevant as it used to be. for Jonathan to win the elections, he doesn't have to win all the states in the north. he just needs six of them to add to the 18 southern states. And he can get those six easily in Plateau, Nasarawa, Taraba, Kogi, Kaduna(sambo's state) and Adamawa. The task (political) b4 Jonathan is unexpectedly easy. He only needs to win the people which I think he is lucky to have done already. His approval ratings are off the charts for doing nothing. You should visit his facebook page to see comments. He gets an average of 2000 -3000 comments daily which is extremely high compared to other celebrities worldwide. Asides that, there is no other credible candidate on the horizon to put up a good fight. |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by akyus(m): 6:41pm On Jul 18, 2010 |
@ Gbawe. I agree with you totally. |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by akyus(m): 6:44pm On Jul 18, 2010 |
@ Gbawe. I agree with you totally. |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by Gbawe: 7:39pm On Jul 18, 2010 |
PapaBrowne: PapaBrowne all the 'changes' you referred to above were around in 2006 when Odili , Duke et al were forced out of the race in 2006 by a political system , more powerful than individuals, that felt things must be done a certain way. I am surprised you believe things have changed that drastically since since 2006-2007 given that only a few months ago every Nigerian leader was virtually dancing around a dead President (Yar Adua) because they did not want to upset the zoning balance !!!! You mention the Niger Delta militants . Do you know their current mood and what they are saying ? Do you know that they don't seem to believe in Jonathan? One of their spokesperson , the mysterious Cynthia White , is advising Jonathan to stay away from the race because he has done nothing for the Niger Delta so far while others are saying that Yar Adua was more sincere and more sympathetic to the cause of the Niger Delta than Jonathan an Ijaw man !!!! IMO , the Militants are not an asset to Jonathan at all. You don't know the thinking of men who face death for their belief . The militant will fight for Jonathan only if they believe he is a man who is totally in their corner. They got behind Yar Adua because he met them and actually tried not to patronise them . Jonathan is totally ignoring speaking about the ND because he feels he should be a Nigerian President and not an ND President. Sadly the militants will interprete this to be the sign of treachery against the region from one of its sons. Jonathans' style of trying to appease those who matter has meant that he has shied away from acknowledging the ND's woes. This leaves the militants to feel that he is an Ijaw "Uncle Tom" who would rather work for the "enslaving" system than fight for a better deal for the region. I don't see them fighting for him . Scour Nigerian newsources to see what the militants are saying about Jonathan. Jonathan has a mountain to climb . His task is nowhere near as "easy" as you surmise and this will become clear soon once the 'fireworks' begin. |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by udezue(m): 7:54pm On Jul 18, 2010 |
I see no deceit. |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by RoadStar: 12:43am On Jul 20, 2010 |
You guys r forgetting one important detail. Forget OBJ, IBB, Atiku etc GEJ is president and wields the biggest stick by far ! Obj, Abacha and co has demonstrated that everyone is nothing but powerless when it comes to the presido. Stop making these men sound more powerful than they r, they are actually powerless. |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by Nenum(m): 1:31am On Jul 20, 2010 |
Wonderful post Gbawe (well thot and written). Let me just add this. Jonathan can only come into power in any of the following ways. 1. The Political Class. (OBJ 1999) - If he plays his card right and he is able to lick enough asses he just might be allowed to rule (this i seriously doubt) 2. Historical Class (Yar' Dua 2007) History been a major deciding factor - (Zoning/Recycled Political Class/ Family) 3. Will of the People (M.K.O 1993 and surely Fashola 2011) To me, this is his best option. Work magic and be decisive between now and 2011 and let the masses fight for their leader. However, as a popular saying goes, It is the sweetness of a corpse that a housefly is unwilling to let go that would eventually let it to be buried along with the corpse. |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by PapaBrowne(m): 2:40am On Jul 20, 2010 |
^^^^ How absurd your thinking is!! In your mind, Jonathan is not yet the president. Funny how some people think. You obviously belong to the theory of the Old North that believes power is a birthright. Jonathan can only come to power? ? ? ? ? Wake up buddy! He is already "the Power"!! |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by Onlytruth(m): 3:27am On Jul 20, 2010 |
sjeezy8: Eziokwu? Eeeh en? Na wa o! I thought you said I was stooopid? Am I still stooopid? Meanwhile bro Jona dey enjoy for Aso Rock. lmfao!
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Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by Nenum(m): 2:50am On Jul 24, 2010 |
PapaBrowne: In truth i really do not care. oops sorry |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by xterra2(m): 12:33pm On Jul 24, 2010 |
TO ME,i dont see jonathan boy boi winning this If Zoning is discarded,and jonathan declares there is primaries in the PDP , and i see him losing |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by Gbawe: 12:56pm On Jul 24, 2010 |
xterra2: Jonathan would not win the PDP primaries if the Party is actually democratic with men of integrity as its most influential members. No one , to that end, should be surprised if Jonathan becomes the PDP's Presidential candidate. Afterall we all witnessed the shambolic 'primaries' that threw up Yar Adua as the PDP candidate in 2006 . The PDP will never produce an achiever as its Presidential candidate because that consideration is against what the Party currently want in its Presidential candidate. The PDP , unless reformed sincerely with the exit of the likes of OBJ, will only produce candidates who will keep it "business as usual" for those profiting from the underdevelopment of Nigeria and Nigerians. Buhari is right to say the PDP is worse than kidnappers. |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by seanet02: 2:41pm On Jul 24, 2010 |
Gbawe:are you the person to conduct the primary, if the census has been fair in the first instance, north can never been more than west |
Re: How North Fooled Jonathan. by Gbawe: 3:00pm On Jul 24, 2010 |
seanet02: I think you are confusing the PDP Primaries with the general election. Only PDP members can vote in the PDP primaries so your talk of census and "North can never be more than the West" indicates you are talking about an election all Nigerians can vote in. In 2006 , during the[b] PDP [/b] primaries (not to be confused with the Presidential election) , every candidate was bullied out of the way so that OBJ's annointed (Yar Adua) can win easily even as many existed who would have defeated tired, dull and unambitious Yar Adua with ease had OBJ not intervened unfairly . OBJ and many of his ilk are still influential PDP members .I am simply saying Jonathan may enjoy a 'cleared path , same as Yar Adua in 2006, because for the PDP , above everything else, a Presidential candidate who can keep it "business as usual" is far more important than Nigeria gaining an achiever. |
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