SHEIKH IBN BAAZ RAHMUHULLAH WAS ASKED:

What is the ruling concerning what is known as al-ma`tim, in which people gather for three days after the burial in order to recite the Quran?

He Responded:

The gathering in the house of the deceased to eat, drink and recite the Qur'an is an innovation. Similarly, their getting together to pray for the person and make supplications for him are also innovations. There is no source for it. All that should be done is that, people come to pay condolences, pray for the person, ask for mercy for them, console their grieving and encourage them to be patient.

To gather for what they call al- ma'tim, to make particular supplications, particular prayers or reading of the Quran has no basis whatsoever. If that were a good act, our pious predecessors would have done it.

The Messenger of Allaah (p b u h) did not do it. When Jaafar ibn Abee Taalib, Abdullaah ibn Rawaaha and Zaid ibn Haaritha were killed at the Battle of Mu'tah and the Prophet (p b u h) received the news through revelation, the Prophet announced that to the Companions and told them their news. He supplicated for them and asked Allah to be pleased with them. He did not make a gathering, He did not prepare a meal or have a ma'tim. All of that he did not do even though the three who died were from the most virtuous of the Companions.

When Abu Bakr (r a) died, also no one made a ma'tim, even though he was the best of the Companions. When Umar (r a) was killed, no one made a ma'tim. The people did not gather to pray or read the Qur'aan for him.

Uthman and Ali (r a) were killed and the people did not gather after a specific time to pray for them, ask mercy for them or prepare food for them. It is, however, recommended for the relatives or neighbors of the deceased to prepare food for the deceased's family and to send that food to them. This is similar to what the Prophet (p b u h) did when the news of Jaafar's death came to him. He said to his family,

"Prepare food for the family of Jafar as something has occurred to them that is preoccupying them."'

The family of the deceased are preoccupied with their loss. To prepare food for them and send it to them is what is legal sanctioned. However, to add to their affliction and to put more responsibilities on their shoulders by making them prepare food for the people goes completely against the sunnah. In fact, it is an innovation.

Jareer ibn Abdullaah al-Bajali said, "We used to consider gathering with the family of the deceased and preparing food after the burial as a kind of lamentation." And lamentation is forbidden. This is to raise one's voice, while the deceased is punished in the grave due to the wailing over him. One must avoid such practices. However, there is no harm in crying in silence with tears.

Please when one dies and you come to condole do not stay longer than necessary .

May Allah give us the better understanding and ability to comply with the Islamic rulings Aameen.

Jareer ibn Abdullaah al-Bajali said, "We used to consider gathering with the family of the deceased and preparing food after the burial as a kind of lamentation." And lamentation is forbidden.

forbidden?
Does that mean it’s haram ?
And whoever do such will be punished by Allah?

Yes ooo you are right i don't think there a sin for it if practices.

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JazakalLahu Khairan.

Jazakumllahu khairan, this is quite educating. may Almighty Allah guide us against innovative ideas that are not in line with sunah.

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3 days, 7 days, 40 days fidau are all forbidden...If you want to commiserate with the bereaved...visit immediately you hear...and if you can....assist them financially in meeting their needs...No matter how old a person is...we dont rejoice or celebrate their deaths...

And no gathering for prayers is allowed in such cases...
May Allah grant us Hikma and ilma

baysan:
Yes ooo you are right i don't think there a sin for it if practices.

If something is forbidden in Islam, definitely there will be punishment if you crossed the line. we have all fallen victims of this in one way or the other. what is best to do after gaining more knowledge about something we have been doing wrongly is to seek Allah's forgiveness and never indulge in such practices again. Surely, Allah forgives all sins.

May Allah save us from these innovations. Many afas and malams make money through these innovations, hence the reason they keep quiet and not speak against them, but instead encourage and wish more ppl take to them

Jazakallah khairan.

This is a good example... You present your case with unthentic backing ..

Kudos

may Allah increase us in understanding. Amin

4601CE:
forbidden? Does that mean it’s haram ? And whoever do such will be punished by Allah?

innovations in Islam is haram. Innovators would be punished by ALlaah

May ALLAH increase us in knowledge

May Allah (SWT) continue guiding us. Aamiin

FiftyFifty:
JazakalLahu Khairan.

Wa iyaka

sanusikebbe:
May Allah (SWT) continue guiding us. Aamiin

Aameen

bamidelee:

innovations in Islam is haram. Innovators would be punished by ALlaah

That's it.

oyebolaidris:
may Allah increase us in understanding. Amin

Aameen

doffman:
Jazakallah khairan.

This is a good example... You present your case with unthentic backing ..

Kudos

Wa iyaka

That's the fitnah being faced now.

Quality20:
May Allah save us from these innovations. Many afas and malams make money through these innovations, hence the reason they keep quiet and not speak against them, but instead encourage and wish more ppl take to them

Well said.

TBerg01:

If something is forbidden in Islam, definitely there will be punishment if you crossed the line. we have all fallen victims of this in one way or the other. what is best to do after gaining more knowledge about something we have been doing wrongly is to seek Allah's forgiveness and never indulge in such practices again. Surely, Allah forgives all sins.

Of all what you said you still contradict yourself by this
"All that should be done is that, people come to pay condolences, pray for the person, ask for mercy for them, console their grieving and encourage them to be patient." to say the prophet didn't do it is not enough prove to forbid any act, unless you present unequivocally where the prophet (pbuh) forbids it.

Leiman100:
Of all what you said you still contradict yourself by this
"All that should be done is that, people come to pay condolences, pray for the person, ask for mercy for them, console their grieving and encourage them to be patient." to say the prophet didn't do it is not enough prove to forbid any act, unless you present unequivocally where the prophet (pbuh) forbids it.

Islam is a culture. A complete way of life. In the prophet is the best example and all Muslims are enjoined to follow and adhere to it. When you can emulate the best example y doing the way round?

So because Ibn Baaz ruled against gathering to pray for the dead ,we should not pray for them again?
Assuming we want to recite a whole Qur'an for the dead now that means only one person should do it.
I don't agree with Ibn Baaz.

mutvy:
So because Ibn Baaz ruled against gathering to pray for the dead ,we should not pray for them again?
Assuming we want to recite a whole Qur'an for the dead now that means only one person should do it.
I don't agree with Ibn Baaz.

why must you recite quran for the dead?
who told you to do it?
is it part of the deeds that the prophet said can help the dead?

Please people,

The issue of reciting or not reciting Quran on the dead is not halal or Haram. Becareful when you Haram something that Allah and His messanger did not Haram.

Reciting Quran on the dead is a matter of iktilaf on the side of Rahma of Allah. Both sources of Islam are silent on it. Everyday, we actually recite Quran after the mention of Prophets and messangers, sohaba and dead scholars when we say "rodiyaAllah anihu" or "Rohumohu'Lahu". These are Quranic phrases.

Sheik bin Baz's opinion was in accordance with his school of Law. So leave your dead in the grave and not offer prayers for them just because in your imaginary world, prayers don't reach the dead.

If you can perform Hajj, zakat, Ramadan on behalf of the dead and they reach them, how dare someone says recitation of Quran can't reach them?. Quran is dua

Why do you say "rodiyaAllah anihu" after mention of sohaba?. Isn't rodiyaAllah anihu a Dua offered by Allah onto the Sahaba?.

Think people think.