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|Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mcowubaba: 2:13pm On Nov 10, 2018|
Hello my dear nairalanders,
I will try to make this brief as possible, in this political and economic climate in Nigeria, many people are trying to emigrate to almost any other country, I totally understand that and actually support such decision, now let me inform you about Ireland, and probably help you make an informed decision.
Firstly, Ireland (Republic of Ireland) is not in the UK (United kingdom), or Great Britain, it's a country in its own right, might, independence.
As a Nigerian with only a Nigerian international passport, you will require visa to come to Ireland for almost any reason, and your Irish Visa is ONLY for Ireland, if you want to go anywhere near UK/Great Britain including Northern Ireland (Belfast), you will require a UK visa, and also a re-entry visa if you intend to go back to Ireland.
Secondly, Ireland is a relatively expensive country, rents are crazy, to stay in the capital city in Dublin, we are talking about €800-1500 for rent on average, do the math, 1 euro to naira is mostly 400 naira.
Other counties may be cheaper but nothing goes on there, the country is almost concentrated in Dublin (the capital city), the "jobs" "fun activities" and "infrastructure" , Counties like Cork, Galway, Kilkenny can slightly compare to Dublin.
Thousands of "CITIZENS" are Homeless, the sleep on the road side, or some council accommodation
Not just rent, the bus pass is expensive, trains are expensive (unless at a discounted rate with an Irish student ID card or for a minor <16), driving your own personal car is even more expensive, you may need an insurance cover worth over €3000 as a first time driver in Ireland, that is after passing the rigorous driving test process which can cost up to €520, lol
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mcowubaba: 2:14pm On Nov 10, 2018|
THERE ARE NO MUCH JOBS IN IRELAND, as a Nigerian, I believe one of the main reasons of emigrating is for "greener pastures"
Ireland is a small country, which faced a massive economic meltdown 10 years ago, they have not fully recovered, and even the "good" available jobs are mostly reserved for people who don't need sponsorship for a work visa/Stamp 4/1/1G/4s/5/6, Eu citizens are considered first for any openings, then Americans (there are lots of them here ), and any other "light/whiter" Immigrant, or any English sounding name before you. ,
Am I saying Ireland is a Racist country, nope
The whole country is not racist, but some of the people hiring are , as usual most predominantly "white" country has problems with Racism/discrimination/bigotry, as most predominantly "black/dark" country has problems with poverty, tribalism, insecurity, Religion and stupidity like Nigeria
There are exceptions to this though, if you are a Doctor, nurse or have advanced certifications in Information computer and technology, you will have it easier to get a position, note a Doctor/Nurse not trained in an EU country or some few selected countries will need to take undergo some registration process to be able to practise in Ireland, which can cost up to €3000 and over
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|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mcowubaba: 2:15pm On Nov 10, 2018|
Ireland is relatively new to diversity/immigration especially from Africa, I hardly doubt that there are many 2nd generation Irish born individuals with African origin/ethnicity, what I am trying to say is that, like 20 years ago, there was possibly only 5 or no black people in counties like Carlow, Cavan.
Most African/south America/indian/pakistani work as Taxi drivers, Food service assistant (waiter, plate washer, kitchen cleaner), security (black panther) and in shops as cashiers, pizza/kebab shops, cleaners (with Polish people)
Others work as health care assistant, forget the fancy name, nothing fancy about the job, is what Nigerian people call "cleaning/washing dead body" lol
Actually, these are people who work in nursing homes, hospice, mental clinics, they help in taking care of old people, disabled people or special needs individuals
Don't get me wrong, there is dignity in labour, and actually some of these jobs/salaries maybe better than what some of them were used to back in their home countries, and this jobs are stepping stones to greater things, and I have seen wise people who made a good living from these jobs.
Irish companies, agencies rarely hire Africans, I know people will come here to start arguing with me, I am not going to respond!!
I am not an agent or have any special interest in this topic, I am just giving you guys a summary of what Ireland is like for an African Immigrant.
The "favorable" thing about Ireland is their immigration, it's less strict than USA, UK or Canada
Like it is relatively easier to get an Irish citizenship than a UK, USA citizenship, Please I never said getting a Irish citizenship or resident permit is so easy, I am just saying in comparison to USA and UK, it is easier.
Students in a Degree, Masters, PhD program may get 1 to 2 years work permit (Stamp 1G) on graduation, which you can use to work full-time as a dishwasher
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|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mcowubaba: 2:16pm On Nov 10, 2018|
Irish girls, the extremely fat obese rejected ones have the sad tendency to like black guys
The sexy in shape ones mostly don't give a f**k about you, unless the are so drunk and you happen to be in the same club/pub with them , and you are "approachable"
Note, I said drunk girls, if you like go f~~k, tommorrow the will say you raped them , black nigerian immigrant , your own don finish
dem no dey rush you anything, lol
your big black di$k no be for this country
Anyways, it still boils down to your game, if you are very good at it, you will get laid every day or week, or once in a year with a fat heavy dracula
There are eastern european, spanish, chinese and brazilian girls, lots of them, they mostly stick together and speak their respectively languages.
Or you look for an African girl, who will likely make you go broke before you can catch a glimpse of her pant
Most African girls are not even interested in you, the are looking for oyibo and papers
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mcowubaba: 2:18pm On Nov 10, 2018|
Most are cool, happy, fun
some are drunks, scums and weird, the hardly approach a black girl, not racism though, they are just not used to it, or have enough game, the don't get laid either too, lol. The are in the same predicament with African guys , the worst are Asian guys
They are relatively cool, it's a laid back country, the don't have your time, if the come for you, you probably really fu##ed up.
So before you come here, evaluate, think, analyze.
This write up is based on personal observation, empirical evidence, brainstorming and interviews with wide range of involved parties.
I don't currently live in Ireland, don't send me Pms asking me random questions, I won't respond.
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by meobizy(m): 3:17pm On Nov 10, 2018|
I love this.
Nigerian man no go still hear. They’ll say “it is your experience and not mine. Leave me to carve out my own destiny.”.
Most of what is written is true when compared to my time living in the UK.
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Godson201333(m): 8:25pm On Nov 10, 2018|
Hmmm I do not even know what to say...
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mizwisdom(f): 8:46pm On Nov 10, 2018|
So many people have spent $$$ securing visa to Ireland for greener pasture but the wicked ones won't tell us that they are packing oyibo poo and washing plate, thank God I didn't make the mistake
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mcowubaba: 9:06pm On Nov 10, 2018|
People never tell you the true story, been an immigrant for a greater part of my life, I have seen things in different countries.
Most emigration isn't worth it, though this is subjective, some bank managers in Nigeria may prefer to relocate to New York just to be taxi driver
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by TonyeBarcanista(m): 12:12am On Nov 11, 2018|
Mizwisdom:The difference is that the emoluments they get doing odd jobs could be a stepping stone to get a better life unlike the kind of life that the average Nigerian live.
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Jabo1000: 5:36am On Nov 11, 2018|
About the girls and jobs, its not only applicable to Ireland but most of European countries.
You only get the fat obese ones, in Finland you get the fat or very old ones.
The only place they can give a fu.c.k about Africans that I know of is America (don’t know about UK or Australia) but only when they see you have a good job(skilled) or already successful.
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by ahiboilandgas: 9:44am On Nov 11, 2018|
Mcowubaba:thanks for your eye opening write up....i was about blowing 5 million on tuition fees in ireland for msc international bussiness...
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by claremont(m): 10:22am On Nov 11, 2018|
The best way to enjoy living overseas is to work in a professional field. All these low-skilled occupations are not meant for the average educated African, they are meant for people who lack the brains to go to school. The immediate focus for any immigrant who chooses to go overseas should be to get into a professional occupation regardless of how long it takes, you will be rewarded in the end. Sadly, I have seen quite a lot of highly educated Africans engaging in low skilled jobs to make ends meet, some of them end up being stuck in the low skilled jobs all through their life. It's not uncommon in the UK, Canada, Germany etc to see African/Asian immigrants with a PhD driving taxis for a living.
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|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mcowubaba: 10:47am On Nov 11, 2018|
They don't wanna drive taxis by choice, or clean up streets, but when the are not hired into the "professional field", that's the only alternative for survival.
The can't be waiting forever for a professional position, who is gonna pay their bills?
The discrimination is real bro, seen it first hand, most companies rather take a less qualified white person than an African immigrant, occasionally the take one or two coloured people for diversity purposes (awon equal opportunity employer)
You see that black and Asian face on the company's website, lol scammers
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mcowubaba: 10:50am On Nov 11, 2018|
My intension wasn't to necessarily deter anyone from emigrating to Ireland, just wanted to give people a little insight about life in Ireland for an African immigrant.
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Cyberknight: 11:05am On Nov 11, 2018|
Basically, for those planning to emigrate to a developed western country, you can take elements of Nigeria along with you such as your food and ankara, isi agu, babanriga, West African English and other stuff, but the best thing you can do for yourself is to leave behind the Nigerian obsession with white-collar employment and the disdain for the blue-collar type.
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by claremont(m): 11:16am On Nov 11, 2018|
The solution is simple. Work a few years in the unskilled job (we all did it), save as much as you can, and then go back to school and study a course that gets you into a professional occupation e.g medicine, dentistry, nursing, pharmacy, engineering. I would advise a new immigrant to look for the top 10 occupations in whatever country you are, and go back to school to get the qualifications needed for those roles.
Racism and discrimination has been existing for years and will continue to exist, it shouldn't be an excuse for an immigrant not to aspire to be the best. I'm yet to see a company hire an unskilled white man over a black doctor, or black pharmacist or black nurse. The racism that an unskilled black man experiences is quite different from that of a highly skilled middle class black man. The highly skilled black man will go home and wipe his tears with his crisp $£ at the end of every month.
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|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mcowubaba: 11:36am On Nov 11, 2018|
Easy to say " save as much as you can, and then go back to school and study a course that gets you into a professional occupation e.g medicine, dentistry, nursing, pharmacy, engineering" but in reality is not that easy
Given a lot of variables, a career accountant aged 41 years with wife and kids, can't easily save up thousands of £€$ to get back to school and study to become a doctor. Which unskilled legal job will he do to save up loads of cash to support himself through college ?
And don't forget most times, immigrants spend years trying to sort out their immigration status in the country, and the can't necessarily take up some jobs or certain full-time position
I am in no way making excuses for any immigrant to have less aspirations, I am just saying that the have additional factors working against them, some jobs strictly hire citizens not even resident permit holders, and you took my statement about hiring "unskilled white person" out of context, firstly I never used the word "unskilled" I said "less qualified", I am not trying to be a smartas#, but those 2 words have totally different meanings, especially in the context of this topic
Now let me explain what I meant, most companies will hire a white citizen who had a second class lower degree and 3 years experience, than an African immigrant with a second class upper degree with 7 years experience, that's what I meant by hiring a less qualified white person. Never meant that the will hire a white crackhead to be doctor, instead of a qualified African doctor. There are hundreds of studies to support this, I am not just talking out of my a#s.
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by claremont(m): 11:59am On Nov 11, 2018|
This has always been happening and it will continue to happen. My point is - there are a lot of immigrant professionals working in UK, Canada, US at the very top of their careers, these are the people that should be role models. How did they get there? What did they study? Which networks did they join? What choices can I make right now to get to where they are in their careers? However, rather than make these choices, the average immigrant who starts an unskilled job will think of getting married and raising a family simply due to cultural pressure. I have noticed that the singular act of raising a family whilst in an unskilled role severely diminishes your capacity to explore better job options.
I see a lot of Irish healthcare and engineering jobs being advertised in the UK, because there seems to be a skills deficit in Ireland. Ireland currently is one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Ireland needs doctors, senior academics, nurses, pharmacists, dentist, engineers etc. An immigrant who is qualified in any of these areas will not struggle to get a job over there regardless of whatever racism there is. Racism is nothing compared to what a Nigerian who grew up in Nigeria has gone through.
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by ahiboilandgas: 12:04pm On Nov 11, 2018|
Mcowubaba:information about ireland is scares..several Nigeria student are just new in town and truly we just want the best return on investment on 5m tuition fees as per poor African student migrant...it to graduate get job and settle that the intention of 90 percent of student
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|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mille: 12:56pm On Nov 11, 2018|
God bless you for this piece, Mcowubaba
. Claremont, I doubt you understand the kind of racism that goes on in the professional sphere in Europe. We had this argument with a colleague also. I applied for internship positions with my CV (same format, just different names, emails and phone numbers). I received 29 rejections in a space of 4 days while all 30 scheduled an interview with the one with the German name.
I am in Germany and it is pretty much the same. Thousands of Africans here even with German Masters & PhDs working low level cleaning and physical logistics jobs. I mean, seeing those who have been settled here for more than 20-30 years looking so haggardly is enough to discourage my continued residence in Europe.
I'm just waiting for the 2019 elections to be over and to receive my degree. Heaven knows I won't be here come June 2019.
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mcowubaba: 1:06pm On Nov 11, 2018|
Hope you know that many immigrants are already married with kids before the emigrate, making things more complex, you are looking at this issue from one angle, look at the big picture.
Yes many immigrants are on top of game, and many more are in unskilled profession, I have lived in Canada, UK, USA, Ireland, Germany and Australia to an extent, most of the highly sort after qualifications in this countries are exactly what you mentioned, but need I remind you that every immigrant can't be a doctor, nurse or engineer.
About this " How did they get there? What did they study? Which networks did they join?" is a myopic question, what works for mr A must not work for mr B, why are we all not Bill Gates, Aliko Dangote, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Beyonce, Messi How did the get there ?, why are we not as rich, influential and successful as Tinubu
Don't you know people have different stories, talents and opportunities, it is easy to stay from your high horse and ask why a poor orphan in Mushim is not an aeronautical engineer.
This same stance and statement have been used by some Australian conservative right wingers, expecting every immigrant to either be a neurosurgeon or a highly multiple skilled genius.
Ireland does not need any immigrant dentist as you may think, I happen to know a couple of African and Asian dentist who have found it extremely difficult to get a job. Racism is a big issue, don't downplay it, that's actually one of the biggest issue for an immigrant, because it literally affects everything the do.
Bro, I aint suffering from persecution complex or victimization, I am not bragging, I think I have a good knowledge of what I am saying, I have lived literally my whole life in different western countries, I am a researcher and an extrovert, I have interacted with dozens of immigrants in different countries, and read extensively on this issue.
And I agree with you, Nigeria is a shithole, nothing works in Nigeria, I literally created a topic which I promised to reward 40k to anybody who can tell me any Government controlled agency working to efficiency.
Ireland needing heaven and earth does not mean the are willing to employ an african immigrant who qualifies for such role, I know many professionals (Engineers etc) doing unskilled jobs because the have not gotten a position, Be woke bro
when u luckily get a position the will use micro and macro aggression to frustrate you
You never sabi Oyibo people
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|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mcowubaba: 1:38pm On Nov 11, 2018|
Mille:Bless you too baba
If you know, you know
Those wey know no, no fit know
Though I won't advise you to come back to Nigeria yet, next election is between Buhari and Atiku (APC and PDP), to me there is little or no difference. At least in Germany you don't have NEPA and Security problem
And don't lose hope, structure your CV and cover letter well, consult some career agencies and services, you could be on your way to get something good and professional, especially if you're fluent in German, and german immigration has an automatic stayback option for certain graduates, make use of that opportunity first, see how it goes, don't rush and come back to Nigeria, Unless you are 95% confident in getting something you desire
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mcowubaba: 1:42pm On Nov 11, 2018|
Mille:That experiment have been done countless times by many people , same result
Some people are just woefully ignorant, or have selective naiveness to these issues.
Racism is bigger than what people think it is, majority of the companies in this western countries are racist scumbags, just very few are fair. lol
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by ahiboilandgas: 1:45pm On Nov 11, 2018|
Mcowubaba:I think ncc is a working Nigerian agency ...how about nlng
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mille: 1:57pm On Nov 11, 2018|
Buhari and Atiku can burn for all I care. The reason I am waiting is just to see if there will be any brouhaha after the elections.
I'm only bothered about Security. Na to just find solar take console myself. Even if na 1.5KVA.
The thousands wey stay back for Germany. How are they faring. Most are into low-level Logistics jobs like Amazon or running from one temp agency to another. In all my sojourn in Europe, I have never met a Nigerian who could comfortably afford to rent a 3 bedroom with a car. Of what purpose is migration if I cannot live a better quality of life than the one I live back home.
Bros, I am not coming to search for job o. The one thing I am thankful of, is that Europe has exposed me to the many opportunities in Nigeria that I couldn't see before.
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|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mcowubaba: 2:05pm On Nov 11, 2018|
Mille:Interesting, would be happy if you can explain further (maybe in private)
I agree with everything you have said, though there are still Nigerians with even more than 3 bedroom and a car,
Some have even more than 1 house and car
though the are certainly in the minority
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by ahiboilandgas: 2:29pm On Nov 11, 2018|
Mille:hmm scary I have be saving up to pay for msc in ireland ,my friend even sold some property to relocate but he not responding to enquires
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Segunagagu(m): 2:31pm On Nov 11, 2018|
This is deep!!!!!!!!...Kai...
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Segunagagu(m): 2:33pm On Nov 11, 2018|
@poster . now u just made me sooooo bleeping scared....☹️☹️���..wish I had seen this 2 months ago..
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mille: 2:33pm On Nov 11, 2018|
The minority must have been so small for me not to have met any
I'm happy to. That's if you are have some knowledge or interest in Agri-food production and processing.
|Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by justwise(m): 3:19pm On Nov 11, 2018|
Europe is not for people like you honestly, to live comfortably in Europe you have to be financially responsible, buying a car is not a necessity when you have good transport network system, renting 3 bedroom flat as a single person is just waste of money.
Car and bigger accommodation are necessary when you are married with kids
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